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boon
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Jun 16, 2006, 11:57 PM

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i agreed with the clip on it, there will not be possible for any live ring. But for dead ring will have more pressure on them and less pulling weight on the other end of the least. Gals/Women when handle hard headed dogs, they will luuuuuuuuv the dead link for corrections. No discremenation here ok.....

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Kilo KG
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Jun 17, 2006, 12:31 AM

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Boon,

I read that live rings are good for taking off and putting on. But i guess the clip-on serves that purpose. So i'm gonna look for a concealed pinch collar with a clip-on (and as a result no live rings) . I get the picture (finally!) Now its time to go pinch collar hunting.

Are you bringing your dog/s this Sunday? Will you be involved in the Schutzhund thingy too? Should be good. Very good. Well, see ya sunday then.

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RealityDreamer
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Jun 18, 2006, 1:17 AM

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Hi Kilo,

I think the local ones are OK. I have a few for my other dogs.The only I don't like abt them is that they are not stainless steel...other than that,they seem ok...so far.

Uh huh..those are the concealed prongs.

"Thanks re clarification on clip-on pinch collars. The frabo ones super. Saw an awesome picture on the net of an apbt -a huge, muscular apbt- with pinch collar plus backup. The visual effect is really powerful. And then you look at the dog. And you know there's a God who loves dogs. Absolutely awesome picture. "

Haha...yes. The mollosers/bulldog types look really powerful with the prongs on. Laugh

As for barf,I buy a week's supply (or 2) and freeze it. I usually feed barf at night when I hv more time. He usually gets beef+bones as well as lamb once in a while (yes,I do get grilled frm family for feeding the dogs lamb!). He gets egg the night before training. Fruits and vege isn't intentionally in his diet but my family likes feeding them fruits in the morning. So they get abt a fistful or 2 of fruits every morning.

Glad to see ur taking the effort to look up info Cool

2 thumbs up!!

If u do see me on Sunday,do say hi Smile

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RealityDreamer
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Jun 18, 2006, 1:30 AM

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Heys,

The dead ring will have more pressure on me la. Not the dogs. The dead ring is less sensitive than the live ring. That's why I prefer the live ring...haha...n no,no worries...I do noe my physical weaknesses in this area Smile

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RealityDreamer
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Jun 18, 2006, 1:50 AM

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Hi Kilo,

Hope u don't mind me replying here. On a prong there are 2 rings,the live and dead ring. The dead ring does not "tighten" the prong when jerked,where as the live ring does. The live ring is allowed "free movement" and will tighten the prong when yanked. Putting on/taking off the collar has nth to do with the rings...u do so by taking off/putting on the links.

Not sure if I explained clearly.Best if I can show u what I mean.
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Kilo KG
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Jun 19, 2006, 6:03 PM

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RD,

Wow that's a lot of good information i can use, thank you!!

I've found a shop that sells pinch collars but i forgot to check to see therewere stainless steel or not. RM27.50 i think. But haven't bought it coz not a need just yet. Also, a bottle of Hartz Multi-Vits 100 tablets for RM25.00.

Oh i thought at first rings meant the pronged links around the neck. I assume the rings are at the end of the small chain that links to the actuall pronged bit of the pinch collar. Sall have another look at it the next time i walk into the petshop. Probably get the owner to show me.

I was at the Dog Day but seriously apart fromo some guys calling out "Mr.Khoo1, Mr.Khoo!" I have no idea who everyone else were or whether they were forum members or not. So i must apologise if i didn't say hi not for the want of intention though.

So i was just here and there and everywhere. Hung out with my new staffie pals too. So which of yours dogs (i assume you have more than 1) did you bring? I remember reading some where in this forum RealityDreamer has many dogs. But i can't recall which thread. The police demo was an anti-climax. There should do the works and demo the real stuff. Protection, attack, crowd control ...etc.

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Kilo KG
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Jun 19, 2006, 6:22 PM

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RD,

Your entire family is into barf? good stuff! makes doing it all the more interesting and surely a lot more satisfying since owner and dog are genuinely happy.Ok so fruits and veg too.

I assume youre beef and bones are raw. Where do you get clean, fresh, raw beef? Lamb, is it bad or good for the dog? Plus do you chuck all the fruits and veg into one load for some blender action?

Re vitamins (assuming of course raw meat and veg alone is nutritionally insufficient or inadequate), do you feed liquid form-via syringe feeding, oil-pour on food, tablets-stuff down throat, capsules/caplets-stuff down throat too? Which is your preferred form?

To inculcate good toilet habits in my new staffie, i intend to enclose (she) it in a area till it defecates. I tried it with my beagle (not done earlier) but (he) it takes toooo loonnggg to move its bowels. What do you think? Is it a good idea to enclose my pup in an area till it does the job, then take it out and lavish praise like as if it was a succesful agility trial or something... haha trial probably (if diet lacks requisite fibre Wink

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RealityDreamer
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Jun 19, 2006, 7:20 PM

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Hi,

Try Petshop. They *should* have some in stock. I bought my local ones there.

lol! Don't worry. I had a short chat with Ern that day...the only "pit guy" that we both noe and a couple of his friends.

Aaah..compared to others...not many. I hv 5..3 big ones,2 smaller ones. I brought the GSD Smile

Urself? The beagle?

Didn't catch the police demo..the last time i think they did do some crowd control. Oh well.
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RealityDreamer
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Jun 19, 2006, 7:52 PM

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Haha...the four legged family..or 2?

I get the beef frm the market and come home to wash it again. Lamb is ok for the dog. In fact the lenolene in the lamb helps the coat/skin of the dog. (same stuff we hv in our human lotion!)

lol!! Wow...ur really into the details. Doesn't really matter I guess. Diff dogs,diff methods.The vitamins I use is a herbal supplement so it has to be sprinkled on the food. The fish oil is in capsules so they just eat it like kibble. I just chuck wtv supplements with the food and they'll clean the bowl.The veg oil is poured all over.Shoving down the throat everyday is a real hassle. Crazy

Well,dogs naturally to not defacate where they are held up. If they do,then it's because they are foreced to and it's very uncomfortable. Would u poo in a 5x5 room? Doubt so. Imo,create a routine for ur dog..everyday at the same time..take him to poo and when he does so,praise him. Bring treats.POsitive positive positive. The dog will eventually learn that if i don't go now(during the walk)I'll hv to hold it in or worst still...poo in my own room!Of course with pups..u hv to be patient and hv a routine suited to them at first and slowly transition it to ur shcdule. Eg. They poo a couple hours after eating. When he does poo, praise him Smile

If u do howveer want to crate him...that would serve as *stopping* him from pooing anywhere/anytime else than the walk(not too long tho). Unless of course the area is not Near where she lives most of the time....I think it's a level of comroft. Dogs prefer the freedom...so i think tht's y it took so solong. Perhap.s carte her right after eating and 2-3 hrs later take her for a walk. Worked for all my dogs Smile

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Kilo KG
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Jun 20, 2006, 5:57 PM

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RD,

hahaha oops true true, barf for the doggies, hahaha pardon me.

you spoke to ERN. when? i didn't see anyone with a GSD speaking to ERN. Is Central Park BU a dog friendly park? Can doggies go swimming there too? I hear there are vicious terrapins in the pond. Scary tale!!

Yikes my plan was to feed my new puppy and then right after her meal, put her into an enclosed area for her to poop within 10 mins... a couple of hours after eating isnt going to work for me cos i hafta get to work. Maybe barf diet at night will be good so less poo, less smell and easily cleaned. I hope, i hope, i hope.

Thing about crating after eating is the risk that she will poop in her crate and then...with a little imagination... the cycle of bad habits will just spiral into an uncontrollable inventory of no-nos that have to be broken and good habits re-taught. Progress wiht my beagle is slow but he responds VERY VERY well with food. No surprises there i guess.

So you're a shutzhund guy too huh? Maybe if my staffie has the drive and gameness then i'll try.

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Kilo KG
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Jun 20, 2006, 6:01 PM

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The beagle is my brother's while the staffie is mine. But we take care of both just the same regardless.

So yo have a GSD. And the other 4? Planning to build a kennel and a run for the doggies but still can't decide on the design. Am still working on it.

Do yuo have a permanent kennel or are they in mobile kennels?

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Jun 21, 2006, 1:15 AM

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Hi, just caught your posting and I am sure your GSD must a hand full by now and hopefully you have manage to get it under control. You have been getting a lot of good advise here in parrticular from Realitydreamer as I have seen that aggressive dog of hers and yes it is under control with the prong collar.

Just to add to this I believe in the e-collar as I have have experience with friends dogs, a Weimeraner and a Husky. They get along very well with other dogs but not with each other. It is very difficult for these friends of mine as both are dog trainers and certified to use the e-collar. They decided to correct both dogs so when they confront, face to face, they got corrected and this only happen twice and now they can play in a pack but when face to face they just turn away from each other without a snarl or growl. Incidentally, the very first confrontation drwe blood it was quite a fight.

For me the e-collar is better mainly due to the fact that when my dogs are off leash they are still on it as with a prong collar it has to be on leash. Nevertheless, just added information.

RealityDreamer
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Jun 21, 2006, 3:56 AM

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Heya,

Oh dear...I can't recall what time. It was just before malinois' demo. A friend of his also had a shepherd there. Was also talking to that guy.Officially no,I don't think so but I hv heard of ppl bringing their dogs there once in a while. I suppose if u don't leave any trace that ur dog has been there then it should be ok.

Hmmm...perhaps wake up a lil earlier? Feed her...go back to bed and then take her out.It shouldn't take too long for her (and u..haha) to get used to it.If ur up for it,u can try the old school method which is just as effective. Big NO-NO(correction) when she poops where u don't want her to and quickly bring her and the poop to the place where u want her to poop...smell the ground,smell the poop and then praise like a mad man. However,u hv to be fair to a puppy...u hv to take her out to poo soon. SHe's physically incapable of holding it in that long. Do not worry too much. If she's still naturally has good cleanliness...she'll soon learn/prefer to go poop when she goes for her walk.

Do hope to see u on training grounds soon Wink

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RealityDreamer
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Jun 21, 2006, 4:49 AM

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Hey Kilo,

2 pups at once is no easy task! Kudos to u

The other 4 consists of a dobermann,bullmastiff,cocker and terrier mix, and a shih tzu poodle cross.

I have both.The kennel belongs to the GSD. The others have free run. Smile

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Kilo KG
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Jun 21, 2006, 4:13 PM

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RD,

Haha now you tell me... oh well, will be bringing the amstaff home tomorrow and we shall see how it goes.

Free run for a dobe AND a bullmastiff AND cocker AND terrier mix!!! Ah btw, an apbt/amstaff is also terrier mix Sly

. How do you manage so many dogs!! Amazing.

It's hard to imagine but i'm sure it works for you. I'd have put the dobe and the b/mastiff in kennels as well. The smaller ones would be ok i guess (assuming terrier mix is small) I bought chicken (from the chicken rise seller) for my beagle the other day. Testing. Put the meat under running water before feeding it. Removed the drumstick bones but wings went in whole. Haha put the cucumber pieces whole too!! Plus a fistful of Eukanuba puppy feed. I don't know if it was my imagination but there was only "2 tiny pieces" of not-so-smelly doggie poo the next day. And that was it. Or maybe i didn't feed enough.

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Kilo KG
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Jun 21, 2006, 4:30 PM

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Yo,

Ok here's the deal with my schedule. I'm up at 6am. So i intend for her to gobble the kibble and finish with her "poo(-dle)ing" in 15 mins so i can do the needful all on schedule. Haha so i better give her more fiber!! Aiyah don't know lah. See how it goes. trial and error i suppose. I'm expecting one helluva ride with an alpha-attitude beagle and a i-won't-back-down-for-anydog she-pup...

[["when she poops where u don't want her to and quickly bring her and the poop to the place where u want her to poop...smell the ground,smell the poop and then praise like a mad man."]]Who smells the ground and the poop?...yes i would praise like a mad man if i had to sniff the ground and the poop too. Hahaha. eh, does it work if i scoop her poop and place it in the area where i want her to do it? I don't really want her to get used to doing it outside. At home is fine as long as it is at the designated area. Then when i go for walks it would be easier to have fun without worrying about messing up!!

Training grounds? Padang Merbok? Aren't my doggies too young? Home-school hahahahaha...

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RealityDreamer
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Jun 22, 2006, 7:28 AM

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Hey Kilo,

What's ur email?

This is getting a little out of topic Blush

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Kilo KG
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Jun 26, 2006, 4:09 PM

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Hey Rd,

I just got back from leave so have been offline for awhile. My ee mayll is kilokg at y! dot c om. Yes i agree with you. weel hope to hear from you soon. Thanks.

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Kilo KG
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Jun 27, 2006, 4:24 PM

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Hi RD, i know this may be out of topic but i do need your's and others' expert and experienced opinion please...

HELP HELP HELP

My 3.5 month old staffie doesn't is not eating. She will only eat after endless encouragement and that too i to hand feed her first once i get her attention. ALL the encouragement and i still have to feed her by hand the first few bites. Only then will she eat from her bowl.

Plus she vomits but is always running and playing rough with my beagle. Sigh, is she sick? She's had 2 vaccine shots already, with the 3rd and last one due on the 10th of July. She seems active but doesn't eat and vomits.

Help please? thank you.

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Jun 27, 2006, 7:29 PM

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1. He is dog aggresive , I think. Everytime i take him for walk, if he sees a dog, he will pull and jump and drag me to the dog. I fell down and injured last week due to this action. I keep yelling, "NO" but to no effects. He just ignore me. Then I use the leash to snap him a bit. It doesnt' work at all. What should I do? Sometimes, I get my friends to bring his dog to stay in front of my gate, their dog just quitely sit. But my GSD, like want to rush and jump on that dog. I don't think he wants to kill them but rather play.

Sean, From your description, it is not dog aggressive. He is just being a puppy that he is. These can be solved by more socialisation and OB training and if you go through the process the behaviour will be solved by the time he reaches 14-15 months. I had also noticed the advice of using prongs and also choke chains. While I do have my own reasons for preference I would not ask you to use either of them. Remember that these are training tools and should be used correctly to train and condition a dog. It is like if you wants to buy a Ferarri you have to first be trained on how to handle a Ferrari before they will sell you one. Choke Chain in the hands of one who knows how to use it is effective. In the hands of one who doesnt know how to use it is next to "useless" and even life threatening. The same goes for Prongs. In prongs, I would grade it as less life threatening but more of a danger to wrong understanding from the dog resulting from wrong correction. I would advice you to seek out the nearest OB school and learn how to read your dog. Most importantly let your dog teach you how to handle him. Then these tool can come in really effective. Before that, use them wrongly now at best it is useless and at worse it becomes a life taker. Cheers.

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Jun 28, 2006, 12:49 AM

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Hello PSD,

Welcome back old friend. How have you been ? Anyway, it is a delight to have you back with us. Let the learning rolls...Cheers.

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