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APPK
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Jul 30, 2005, 11:03 AM

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RAY,

I JUST SPOKE TO DIMITRI OVER THE PHONE JUST NOW AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT YOUR DOGS' BREEDING PROGRAMME.YOU HAVE GOT DOGS SIRED BY GR.CH BULL BREAKER OUT OF CH.ASKA,THAT'S AWESOME.'BULL BREAKER' HAS JUST GOT HIS GRAND CHAMPIONSHIP LAST TWO WEEKS AND YOU ARE REAL LUCKY TO PURCHASE ONE OF HIS SONS.'BULL BREAKER' EVEN WON THE MOST WEIGHT PULLED CATEGORY,AT 32 KG,HE PULLED THE TOTAL OF 335KG!A REAL GAME DOG,GAME DOWN TO THE BONE.I HAVE TO ADMIT,I GOTTA RESPECT EVERY FLEAS ON THIS DOG

!GOOD FOR YOU AND YOUR DYNAMITES BUT I WILL JUST STICK BACK TO MY OLD APBTS,FOR OLD TIMES SAKE!HA HA.KEEP ON PULLING!

RAY_PG
Dog Kichi

Jul 30, 2005, 12:31 PM

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hey bro,

man, i'll still keep to the gameness of APBT. The AST, sons of GR. CH BULL BREAKER out of CH ASKA are for collection item n tester for the event of weight pulling. hope this might raise the breed image of APBT/AST n all we gamedog fancier in m'sia. i think i'll bring out my APBT when the contest is ON. hey, i just gone through a video clip from the net showing that a APBT at 45kg still pulling a cart weighing over 300kg with 3 legged after one of the front leg loose out of the joint! he managed to reached the finishing line. that's incredible. this APBT really pulled from his heart. hey ed, news spread all over oledi ah bout the competition?!!! ha ha.

oh yes ed, the english bulldogs i told u earlier. i got them back in my back yard oledi. their face look hansome like u ler, he he. they look really nice. come to visit me next week, o.k. i'll call up demitri later. heard he got reserved few potentials for u ler.

hey, i'll help up all my best lah for the club planned earlier for APBT/AST in weight pulling n confonmation. promise! looking forward for all gamedog fancier to gather up in a place for pow n tea!

ERN
K9 Maniac

Jul 30, 2005, 3:49 PM

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Hi Ray_PG

Your soh lian kao arrived already ah. Shui boh? A neh kui ei?

When I am back to Penang show me you soh lian kao ya. Sly

View my photo album

last update, ZEUS & Shiki's 2nd off springs, 16/09/2008. Yes 9.16!

http://s56.photobucket.com/...%20Zeus%20N%20Shiki/

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/ERN2/Dogs

RAY_PG
Dog Kichi

Jul 30, 2005, 10:07 PM

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HI Ern,

really nice to get reply from u..yah, the soh lian kao both are here oledi. they'r only at age 1yr++ only n promising potential. actually the price mentioned by eddie includes another potential working trait APBT from dimitri's brother. Will bring this APBT to eddie's place this weekend to discuss bout the bloodline. he knows better. let's not discuss bout the price as it doesn't solely determine an APBT/AST's heart anyway. yah sure Ern, i'm getting them to suit local weather now. u'r from penang? will buy u a coffee/beer when u'r here!

- for your info Ern, i have another 12 adults bullterrier. 8 of the are from soh lian also. the male one won the BEST IN SHOW last year in bangkok at age only 1, 1 female BEST IN SHOW early last year in bangkok, 2 BEST RESERVED female late last year n early this year in bangkok. see yah.

Kevin Chuan
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Jul 31, 2005, 7:31 AM

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Hey Ray...
You guys seems like very well prepared for the weight pulling huh?
Bringing in all champion blood line in weight pulling and also perf. Regarding my AST, I have no idea what is their bloodline... well, one thing I can say is my female was from Thailand, the male one I got it locally... already 2 years old mainly for stud purposes. How can I compete with you guys like this... sure Beh Tiok one!!!
In this case I should get from Soh Lian also liao... (Siam Kia Mana Eh Ka Soh Lian Kia Tioh... Am Moh Jiak Goo Bak, Siam Kia Jiak Pooi Niah... Beh Tiok Lah!!! surrender liao!!!)

APPK
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Jul 31, 2005, 8:47 AM

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BLOODLINES ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO DIFFERENTIATE THIS BREED.WHAT IS THERE TO VERIFY THAT THIS IS AN APBT/AST/STAFFY?THESE BREEDS DOES NOT HAVE A STANDARD COLOUR,CONFORMATION OR EVEN RECOGNISED IN MALAYSIA,SO HOW DO YOU STATE THAT THIS IS AN APBT/AST/STAFFY?WITHOUT KNOWING THE BLOODLINES OF THIS BREED YOU OWN MEANS THAT YOU ARE OWNING A BREED WHICH ONLY LOOKS LIKE AN APBT/AST/STAFFY.A ROTTWEILER HAS A STANDARD COLOUR OF BLACK/TAN AND DOES THAT MEAN THAT A NORMAL MONGREL WITH BLACK/TAN AND DOCKED TAIL CONSIDERED A ROTTWEILER?ALL DOGMEN CONSIDERS THE APBTS TO BE MONGRELS IF THE BLOODLINES ARE NOT KNOWN,NO MATTER HOW IMPRESSIVE THEY WOULD LOOK.IT IS BECAUSE WHEN WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BLOODLINES,WE ARE TRICKED BY DOG PEDDLARS SELLING US APBTS INSTEAD OF AST OR SELLING US AST INSTEAD OF APBTS.I HOPE WE HAVE SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS TOPIC BECAUSE MONGRELS WILL NEVER, NEVER COME CLOSE BEING AN ORIGINAL APBT/AST/STAFFY.

RAY_PG
Dog Kichi

Jul 31, 2005, 10:01 AM

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hi kevin,
mai a ne kong...siam kia ae hiow pak mui thai ma... i personally took thai's dog in a good manner. these thai people really dare to spent their fortune just to import the breed they like. this really improve the standard of all breed i would say. n that's why i ventured up with these thai people. as me n eddie has into this APBT for years, we came to understand that clear trace of bloodline is very important to determine how the next generation is up to. we as a dogmen can really modified the next generation of our dog to our like just like we r modifyng cars. exp, we have a dog that is very good in ability and mouth but poor in wind, we can always throw in bloodline which is good in natural air in our selective breeding programe. we dun simply breed our working dog just to meet the market demands. close n matchcable bloodline with the target to improve n improve the next generation of our dogs is the ultimate goal in breeding programe. gameness is a must in working dog nomatter in what ring or arena at least in my opinion. really nice to share with u. yes bout the weight pulling plan...mission will be accomplished.

Kevin Chuan
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Aug 1, 2005, 8:45 AM

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Hey Edd...
Well, in this case I should say I have 2 Mogrel AST. Hehehe!
So, a mogrel AST can put onto weight pulling or not? I mean in terms of its gameness. I myself do not think so as both of my AST are so playful and friendly. They can't even kill a frog at my backyard.
OK, back to WP APBT, if I would to get a WP APBT, as a beginner, which bloodline do you suggest me to go for? Most importantly, my point is it has to be not too expensive, easy to train and easy to children.
If the price is reasonable, will get one then.

APPK
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Aug 1, 2005, 10:13 AM

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HI KEVIN,

KEVIN,MY APOLOGIES TO YOU AND TO ALL APBTS /AST/STAFFY FRIENDS AND OWNERS.WHEN I LOOK BACK AND REALISED THAT MY RECENT STATEMENT IS TOO STRAIGHTFORWARD AND MIGHT CAUSE MISUNDERSTANDING OR EVEN HURT LOVERS OF THIS BREED.FIRST OF ALL ,I DO NOT MEAN THAT WHATEVER DOGS THAT EVERYONE IS HAVING NOW ARE MONGRELS,WHAT MY MAIN POINT IS THAT I KNOW OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PEDDLING APBTS AS AST BUT WE WOULDN'T SAY WHO.THOSE PEOPLE ARE ADVERTISING THEIR APBT PUPS AS AST SO THAT IT WILL FETCH REAL GOOD PRICE SO IN THIS WAY WE WILL HAVE TO EDUCATE THE LOVERS OF THIS BREED IN ORDER NOT TO FALL FOR THIS CON.IF YOU GOT YOUR PROSPECT DIRECT FROM THE BREEDER,WHAT YOU GOT TO DO IS TO GET THE BACKGROUND ON YOUR DOGS.DON'T WORRY,YOU DON'T NEED YOUR PROSPECTS TO KILL FROGS IN ORDER TO BE WEIGHT PULLINGG CHAMPION,WHAT HE NEEDS IS TRAINING.NEVER WORRY ABOUT COMPETING AGAINST IMPORTED QUALITY DOGS,THE WINNING PERCENTAGE OF IMPORTED DOGS FROM COLD WEATHER COUNTRIES IN ASIA IS ONLY 30% OUT OF 100%.THESE IMPORTED DOGS NEED TIME TO GET USE TO THE WEATHER HERE AND THAT TAKES FROM 6 MONTHS TO 12 MONTHS.THE NEGATIVE PROBLEMS THAT IMPORTED DOGS FACE ARE GETTING BEATEN BY THE HEAT,STRESSED OUT AND A CHANGE IN THE CHARACTER BUT SOME STAY WELL MAINTAINED.WELL FEEL BETTER NOW,TAKE CARE AND REMEMBER FOLKS,I DO NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYBODY.THANKS FOR UNDERSTANDING KEVIN!

RAY_PG
Dog Kichi

Aug 1, 2005, 10:30 AM

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hey buddy,
ha ha ha ha ha....bout the mongrel things.. eh, i thought ah pin is going to join us here!? hey sifu, what bloodline will perform best in wp huh? i think red-nose not bad la hor..?

ERN
K9 Maniac

Aug 1, 2005, 5:23 PM

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Hi APPK

After banned for so many years, The bloodline of the local breeds can not be traced already leow. Many APBT, AST may mixed with each others since it is so difficult to differentiate them, worse still, some mixed with mongrel too. Pirate

Kevin's male AST is shiki's father, yee shi shiki ei kao kong...hahahah......How to trace their bloodline then?

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last update, ZEUS & Shiki's 2nd off springs, 16/09/2008. Yes 9.16!

http://s56.photobucket.com/...%20Zeus%20N%20Shiki/

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/ERN2/Dogs

Kevin Chuan
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Aug 1, 2005, 9:43 PM

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Hey Raymond or Eddie...

I have a question in mind... it is about Red-Nose Pitbull.

A Red-nose Pitbull is a bloodline amoung the APBT or a name of any APBT with red nose?.... Crazy

I can see that there are lots of Pitbull with red nose, would they be called as Red-Nose also? hehehe! just curious.

I think I like the Black APBT in the photo you showed me at Gurney Plaza, how much will a pup cost from your APBT's bloodline?

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Aug 2, 2005, 9:31 PM

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Hey guys,

How bout the phillipines? Any comments abt the dogs there? The breed is recognized & they hv a breed club..so at least the hv a record of the bloodlines. I do not hv a record of the participants & how much they pull..
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APPK
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Aug 3, 2005, 7:10 AM

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HI ERN,

THATS A GOOD QUESTION,THE BREED IS BANNED FROM US IMPORTING ANYMORE OF THIS TERRIERS BUT IT'S NOT BANNED FROM US OWNING ONE OR HUNDREDS OF THIS TERRIERS.I STILL KEEP TRACK ON SOME OF MY HI QUALITY DOGS WHICH THE BLOODLINES CAN BE TRACED BACK TO WHEN THE BREED IS NOT EVEN BANNED YET.SO,TO REGISTER YOUR DOG IN FUTURE,YOU WILL NEED AT LEAST THE 1st GENERATION OF YOUR DOG'S BREEDING PROGRAMME(SIRE /DAM OF SHIKI).FOR EXAMPLE,IF KEVIN'S DOG IS BRUNO THEN SHIKI WILL BE OUT OF THE BRUNO BLOODLINE AND THIS IS HOW IT STARTS AND GO ON.WE WILL HAVE TO START FROM HERE,IF NOT,IT WILL STAY THE SAME WAY 10 YEARS LATER,A BREED STILL NOT RECOGNISED IN MALAYSIA.ABOUT YOUR DOG HAVING SKIN PROBLEMS,PEEL A WHOLE GARLIC AND THEN BLEND TOGETHER WITH 5-8 SLICE OF GINGER,ADD A BIT OF WATER,NOT TOO WATERY BUT STICKY ENOUGH TO PATCH IT ON THE WOUND.RUB IT DEEP AND APPLY ON THE WOUND THICK.IT'S REALLY BURNING AND YOUR DOG WILL JUMP BUT YOU WILL SEE MIRACLES IN A FEW DAYS,LET ME KNOW HOW MANY DAYS IT WILL TAKE YOU.SEE YA

APPK
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Aug 3, 2005, 7:24 AM

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HI KEVIN,

THERE ARE ASTS AND APBTS WITH RED NOSES TOO.FOR THE APBTS,THE RED NOSE FAMILY OR BLOODLINES DO PRODUCE RED NOSE DOGS,BUT SO DO OTHER BLOODLINES.RED NOSE,SIZE,COLOUR ARE STILL MAINTAINED AS CHOICES BUT DOES NOT PLAY A ROLE IN QUALITY,YOUR CHAMPION COMES IN MANY COLOURS...FOR THIS...BREED...

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Aug 3, 2005, 7:44 AM

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Hi APPK,
the remedy u just described...wht kinda skin problem is it 4? fungal based? allergy? bacteria..?
i hv a dog...haveing pretty bad skin probs. Hv been to many vets & spent alot on him. The remedies I noe of are pretty harsh n would b a last resort (kerosin n sulphur)
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APPK
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Aug 3, 2005, 8:38 AM

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HI,

THE REMEDY I HAVE JUST STATED IS FOR MULTI PURPOSE USE.NOT HARSH AT ALL AND HIGHLY EFFECTIVE.THIS REMEDY IF NOT FINISHED,CAN BE KEPT IN THE FRIDGE FOR ABOUT 3 DAYS.FOR SERIONS SKIN PROBLEMS,RUB ALL OVER AND PUT THE DOG UNDER THE SUN FOR NOT MORE THAN 10 MINUTES,FEEDING THE DOG APIECE OF GARLIC DAILY IS ALSO GOOD TO COUNTER SKIN PROBLEMS.GOOD LUCK

RAY_PG
Dog Kichi

Aug 3, 2005, 11:35 AM

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HI KEVIN,
bro, red nose APBT is a family of dogs arrived dated back very early to US direct from Ireland where most of the fighting in this modern world came from. they r a family of dogs having red nose, golden eyes and normally comes in red colour and were call OLD FAMILY RED RED NOSE DOG or IRISH RED NOSE DOG. It has been into many of the bloodlines today. red nose is not just simply a named bloodline. back then, red nose dog was feared most of the dogmen from its GAMENESS. anyhow, red nose dog was originally bigger in size n heavy boned dog with medium mouth (generally). this both r 3 trait of disadvantages in today's fastlane fighting arena. this is why they are no longer a priority in breeding programe. anyhow, this trace of unique feature still appear in today's top bloodlines APBT. No doubt on their GAMENESS!!! I personally admire the feature n physical appearance of this RED NOSE APBT very much especially those with cropped ears! i think this red nose dog much cappable in weight pulling. nice to share.

RAY_PG
Dog Kichi

Aug 3, 2005, 12:15 PM

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hi kevin,
ok, me n eddie has just started a breeding programe last 2 weeks. this programe will produce a promising potential if u would interested. it's a fastlane dog. can guarantee there will be no more frog in ur back yard. can call me to discuss the bloodlines. see yah.

RAY_PG
Dog Kichi

Aug 3, 2005, 12:34 PM

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Hi R D,
well, philipine can be listed no 2 most active arena for fighting dogs in asia after japan. they have events in every weekend n grand convention every quaterly. yup, they r having very fine bloodlines there as this sport are not being force to the edge by the law there. their dogs together with this sport florish/improve very fast there. anyhow, no worries as the quality of "performing" and trace of top bloodlines as their's are in mine, eddie's n some of the dogmen's back yard here in m'sia. nice to share.

ERN
K9 Maniac

Aug 3, 2005, 7:54 PM

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Hi APPK

Thanks for your York Tuarh,

will try and let you know later. Hope it can cure. Laugh

t.q.

View my photo album

last update, ZEUS & Shiki's 2nd off springs, 16/09/2008. Yes 9.16!

http://s56.photobucket.com/...%20Zeus%20N%20Shiki/

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/ERN2/Dogs

Kevin Chuan
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Aug 3, 2005, 9:15 PM

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Hey Peng Yu...

Keep us update on the treatment progress on Shiki. If this remedy really works, patent it! Hahaha! I can run the OEM for you.

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Aug 3, 2005, 11:47 PM

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Hi Ray,
Was actually thinking of getting mine (when i hv the space) frm the phillipines coz I don't noe reputable breeders here..n plus the fact there is no registry. Ppl can claim their dogs r frm jeep or chinaman's line etc but i wouldnt noe..n get cheated.
But since there are u guys...hehe...don't hv to worry. Smile

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(This post was edited by RealityDreamer on Aug 4, 2005, 12:07 AM)

ERN
K9 Maniac

Aug 4, 2005, 12:02 AM

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Hi Ray_PG

You mentioned "red nose, golden eyes and normally comes in red colour and were call OLD FAMILY RED RED NOSE DOG or IRISH RED NOSE DOG."

What if an AST with red nose, golden eyes and red in color [and pink eye lid]? Is this the extention of this bloodline?

Shiki's sire have black nose, and blak eyelid, her dam is red nose and in red. Shiki exaclt like her mother. Her other sibling that I saw follow the sire [interm of color].

Sly

View my photo album

last update, ZEUS & Shiki's 2nd off springs, 16/09/2008. Yes 9.16!

http://s56.photobucket.com/...%20Zeus%20N%20Shiki/

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/ERN2/Dogs

(This post was edited by ERN on Aug 4, 2005, 12:13 AM)

RAY_PG
Dog Kichi

Aug 4, 2005, 12:56 AM

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HI R D,

BRO, what/who drives u to this Jeep n Chinaman bloodlines. just curious. me n edie r really into both of this bloodlines. we have granddaughters of ch. chinaman sired by Garner's Frisco ( 2nd in the R.O.M list of today's modern fast lane dog). and also numbers of greatgrandlitters Ch. Chinaman. They r proven to be very good in working. Ch. chinaman has never got a chance to proved it's gameness as it's opponent(well known dogs) hardly escape from the pit corner. me n eddie r having breeding programe to even push closer back to ch. chinaman now. estalavistar baby!!!

Jeep bloodlines in the other hand have proven it's gameness n natural wind/air. his last convention to his gr. ch into Ch. homer reached more than 3 hours mark. we r also into Gr Ch HammerHead bloodlines as well. They r proven to have supperb ability and gameness. bro, there r still many other bloodlines which can be trusted out there. it is very fun on this APBT breed when u really get to understand the bloodlines of them. Eddie do have some documentary vcd on philipine's APBT and reading material on CH. CHINAMAN. WE ARE STRICTLY AGAINTS ANY INTENTION ON ANIMAL CRUELTY. nice to share, see yah.

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