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Poll: Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?
Yes 148 / 47%
No 102 / 32%
Not sure 65 / 21%
315 total votes
 

Khoobg
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Jun 27, 2003, 11:05 PM


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Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

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(This post was edited by Khoobg on Jun 27, 2003, 11:09 PM)


doodle
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Jun 27, 2003, 11:13 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

i m not too sure whether which is the right way or which works better. But how come some people who don't hit their dogs are still able to train them.
Does those Australian that I saw hit their dogs too in order for them to sit quietly outside waiting for their ownder?
What about police force?
Just curious.


yumiko_masaki
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Jun 27, 2003, 11:26 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

 Frown well i don't think a physical punishment will ever let your dog to listen, i don't kinda agree in this kinda punishment cause i think this will only made my little mitcher goes scared of me and later not getting to learn anything ...

i myself think that there's alot of way in teaching a dog besides a punishment.... i think by giving punishment it always end up with a badly bruise dog and a very andgry / sad owner ... why not try other types of teaching ?

but i think every owner has a type of teaching for their dogs ... Smile
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archer
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Jun 27, 2003, 11:35 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Deep down it's a "NO", reality it looks like "YES".

Thus I vote "NOT SURE".

Classic example, he just wouldn't stop no matter how many times u tell him / do watever to try to make him understand that it is wrong to do so. It doesn't work. a not too hard smack on the hind thighs sorta makes em understand. But wat do they understand?
  1. "YES"
    1. Do that and i get hit, n it hurts.
    2. Why did I just get hit? Better lay low for awhile.
  2. "NO"
    1. My masters do not like me to do that.
      1. I shall not do it.
      2. I'll think about it.
      3. I dun care.
    2. I know how to manipulate my masters.


I'm not doggy shrink but, that's how I (as a human) would think if an alein was my master.
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drew
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Jun 28, 2003, 1:38 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

i'm not sure whether it's a yes or no but i think no matter what, everything needs some consequences and punishment towards it ... by telling them, they might think that no matter how big the mistake they did they are gonna get told off and that's it ... by having punishment, well at least they will know dat it's wrong to do so ...

well, hey, i think both has it's own good and it depends on individual the way they want to train their dogs and we can't tell them what not to do or what to do ...


makrawl
Canine Addict


Jun 28, 2003, 9:45 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

i'm trying really hard to stop hitting their bum but sometimes i still lost control of my hands and "spontaneously" my hand whack on their bums. example. when they were chasing a poor tiny little animal and the animal hide under the racks and they won't ever listen to me and stay out while i rescue the poor creature. they nearer you go to the spot, the greater of their intention to get it. so, i hit and they ran right into their cage.

i've reduce a lot of the whacking thing compare to last time. but, i'm still using it sometimes. maybe i'm not experience enough to use the 100% physical punishement free methods (the books describe it as a quite easy thing but i don't think so). i'm trying hard to stop it but sometimes they just ignore u untill u whack (or raise hands) and then only they'll pay attention.

i don't know, i'm lost.


jay_owl
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Jun 28, 2003, 6:21 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

theoretically i don agree with physical punishment, but i must b ashamed of myself cos i use that when my dogs r not behaved. i hav two mongrels n being mongrels, the character is unpredictable and they hav weak concentration while u r trying to teach them something.

i've tried not to use the physical punishment nowadays, at least, less, now i just scared them with the whip. i hope one day i don need to use any of these thread to keep them in control. i will look into the clicker training later, i've heard of some positive feedback bout tht recently.

cheers

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sweeeng
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Jul 1, 2003, 12:52 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

I think physical punishment will only make your dog get scare of you or make it more fierce ... encouragement is a much better way...

REgards,
Swee Eng


edser
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Jul 3, 2003, 11:41 PM


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Re: [sweeeng] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

usually we shout NO!! but if the mistake is big then have to beat already. Wink



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carynn
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Jul 17, 2003, 1:07 AM


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Re: [edser] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Nowadays...a warning in a"certain" tone is good enough and Harvey would know I mean business...

I know what u guys mean when u say there may be a danger of physical punishment back-firing in the sense that the dog will grow to hate u/frighten of u....

I'm usually the one reprimanding Harvey..telling him "no" to this and that..in other words, I'm like a "kill-joy"....so my boy likes Andy more coz he leaves all the "dirty work" of reprimanding to me and he looks like the GOOD guy...sigh....tough job being a mommy.....
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doodle
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Jul 21, 2003, 11:03 PM


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Re: [carynn] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Anyway, the poll has more YES than NO.
I guess most people agree on physical punishment on dogs work better for training.


Patricia
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Jul 22, 2003, 7:29 AM


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Re: [doodle] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

I'm against physical punishment ! It is not necessary to punish your doggies just for the sake of getting them to obey. Just train them nicely by showing how to do it, talk and play with them frequently. Not forgetting, your furkids like to be praised. By doing this, your dogs will get very close to you. Dogs are our companion and best friends. So, why punish them ?

I found that the more you punish them, the more aggressive they are. Some dogs become very aggressive or angry when seeing people bringing with them a stick. Why ? Well, it is because somebody must had been beating him with a stick before.

Physical punishment is definitely not the way of bringing up a good dog. I train both my dogs with proper way but not beating. Well, to-date they carried themselves very well. I'm really proud of them.


doodle
ALPHA


Jul 22, 2003, 4:52 PM


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Re: [Patricia] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

So good to hear that your dogs are obedient.
I am having some trouble with doodle growing up. Very rebellious right now. No matter how loud I shout at him NO for pulling my pants. Still want to do it. When going near him or using hands to push him away, bite my hands instead.
But he is very afraid of a big board which we will take it out when he is very naughty.
I don't know what is wrong with him. Don't know playful or just rebellious.


snowflake
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Jul 22, 2003, 10:51 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Hi Mr. Koo,

I think minor punishment can really work bcos it warn the doggie that what they done r wrong, but i think if over beat the doggie then they'll loss their confidence n trust to the owner as well, they'll think this Human is the 1 beat them but will give them foods to eat, they'll no more appreciate n loyal to the owner.




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icezcream
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Jul 23, 2003, 10:13 AM


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Re: [snowflake] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

well...i settle for both "yes" and "no".
"yes"-minor physical punishment is essential for learning. you know,like how our parents hit us when we did something wrong...

"no"-if the physical punishment causes unbearable pain and injuries.

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Patricia
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Jul 29, 2003, 6:23 AM


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Re: [doodle] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

How old is your dog right now ? Still a puppy ? If yes, then I believe he or she is playful then. My lab was also playful in his grown up stage then. However, I always ensure obedience training to come in at the same time. Do not play with your dog during training. Be firm to him or her. Always raise your voice so that your furkids know that they are under command. You are the master not them.

Well, this is the opinion that I can provide you as I'm still in the learning stage in obedience training.

Pat


Kowpa
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Jul 29, 2003, 8:13 AM


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Re: [Patricia] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

In your post u write don't play with your dog during training and always raise your voice so that your fur friend know that they are under command which I don' quite agree

We have to play in between training this will motivate our furfriend that training is fun. In obedience training we must make the behaviour we want interesting to our fur friend. we must know our dog b4 we put him/her into training.In obedience training we must understand the teaching phrase, the correction phase and the proofing phase. We don't raise our voice for dog's ear are very sensitive than human We can't hear the drop of a needle but dog can so why raise your voice, dog can only differentiate the tone of voice so make your growling tone or your ooch tone when u dislike that behaviour the dog will know the good and the bad. The word Physical Punishment like kicking slapping kneeing other than a level of pop is a BIG NO


Patricia
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Jul 30, 2003, 7:32 AM


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Re: [Kowpa] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Ya, play in between training is important and praising them off and on is another tip again. When I said raise voice mean when giving command. Of course, I'm against physical punishment.

Well, I'm still in the stage of obedience training. Lots more to learn from those experience people like you.

Thanks


Kowpa
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Jul 31, 2003, 8:48 AM


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Re: [Patricia] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Hoi phang yeow No such thing like praising off and on Is either you praise the faith kind or you don't no off and on business lah PrAISE HIM/HER when they give u what u want and inreturn u give them what they deserve it. Giving the command by raising your voice is just like u do it or i'll kill u teaching this way slow down the learning process shouting to the dog is like threatening them thats how stress comes in to the dog and when stress the dog will be submissive or flight so be carefull lah......


doodle
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Aug 1, 2003, 5:36 AM


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Re: [Patricia] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

But does it make any difference that basset hound is more difficult to train?
I mean.. any difference depends on the breed?
does it work for all sort of dogs?


Kowpa
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Aug 3, 2003, 12:50 AM


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Re: [doodle] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Within the world of traditional, compulsion-based training, a myth has arisen that certain breeds are not trainable. Or that certain dogs require "a firm hand! I hear it over and over. "But my dog is different!" You're right. Your dog is different. He's different from evey other dog out there in any number of ways.

In the first place, different breeds were bred for entirely different things, and this mean that each breed come with its own set of training challenges. It's a lot easier to teach a Lab to retrieve than it is a Great Pyreness. Teaching tracking to a bloodhound is piece of cake, but this task is a bit more challenging when you're dealing with a Chihuahua

Some breeds were bred to work very closely with humans-herding breeds, some working breeds, sporting breeds. These dogs tend to excel at typical obedience behaviours. Other were bred to work completely independently or to do just one thing ( and do it very very well )-livestock guardian breeds, hounds, terriers. These dogs tend to be more difficult to train for obedience behaviours. A dog's breed or combination of breeds, will be one of the factors that determines what the dog learns easily and what he will learn slowly, what she will do simply for the joy of doing it and what she will do only on the basis of "what's in it for me?"

Now add to the equation the unique characteristics of individual dogs and their past experiences. Any breeder will tell you that two dogs of the same breed can be as different as night and day. There are Newfies who hate the water, Lab who don't like to retrieve and herding dogs who prefer the couch. There are hard dogs, soft dogs, fearful dogs, confident dogs, friendly dogs, and aloof dogs- and you can find individual of each kind within a single breed!

What does this mean to the trainer? It means that smart trainers learn everything they can about dogs in general, about specific breeds and most importantly, about a particular dog's history. This provides a background for identifying what the training challenges will be.

But it can be done. A challenge is just that. A challenge. Not an insurmountable obstacle. No dog is immune to the principles of learning. Barring a physical or psychological problem that prevents learning, your dog can be trained to do anything he or she is capable of doing.


doodle
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Aug 3, 2003, 8:17 PM


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Re: [Kowpa] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

thanks for the explaination, fellow friend.

That means doodle is capable of being trained. We have to know where to reach him only. He is very stubborn and has his mind of his own.

Anyway, I wonder how do you train a hound to do tracking? it will be so cool!Sly


pinky55poo
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Aug 5, 2003, 12:04 AM


Views: 47010
Re: [archer] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Give me a high 5, Jason. You hve some good reasoning here.

Sometimes its really hard not to physically punish our doggies. They don't 'learn the lesson' even if u raise your voice to the 'whole-street-can-hear level. We don't normally physically beat them, but threaten them wud be more accurate but then if they haven't tasted the 'physical punishment' they won't realise tht they've done something wrong & tht's why mommy or daddy is angry & is now brandishing the cane or newspaper or what hve you.

At times, u jst need to speak to them & it's like, wow they understood me. How clever!

In my most humble opinion, we do what we believe is the correct method for our doggies as long as it's not taken to the point of cruelty. Then there's a real cause to be alarmed or concerned.

Ultimately, we love our furkids & if they learn through non-physical punishment, then good for owner & furkid & we hope the time for the 'real thing' will not come.

Cheers!

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Patricia
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Aug 5, 2003, 6:17 AM


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Re: [Kowpa] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Hello

As I said several times, I'm still in the learning stage. So, your valuable input will be taken note.


jaz
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Aug 9, 2003, 2:26 AM


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Re: [pinky55poo] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

But at times, since thier understanding would be different from human, we've got to educate them one way or the other, as long it's not to the degree of being abbusive... Unsure


snoopdog
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Sep 5, 2003, 12:49 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Hi everyone,

I'm not sure about my punishment is physical or not. Me and hubby do not use our hands because when you're angry, you don't know your own strength. Sometimes you might hit them too hard and it could cause internal injuries. Me & hubby we use 40sen rotan on Dome. It's quite painful but quite effective. We only rotan him once when he does something which he knows he's not suppose to do. Repeat rotan-ning is a no-no for Dome..i don't want him to be sacred of me and later don't want to sayang me anymore.Frown

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mochacappucino
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Sep 12, 2003, 1:41 AM


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Re: [snoopdog] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

I cannot really give a definite answer for this. So I voted for "not sure".

What I do with my Mocha girl now is --- Hitting once is enough to tell her that she has done something wrong. On the other hand, a treat for her will mean that she has done something right !

When using the rotan (and if you get carried away, being angry and all), you might hit the poor thing more than once since your hands do not feel the pain. If you feel the pain on your own hand, you will definite stop hitting and will feel sorry for your furkid. You will most probably think twice before hitting her again as it really hurts (you do not just pat the dog you know).

And yet, some argue that a change in tone alone may be sufficient to let the dog know that you are unhappy. Basically the dog can really identify your mood. When you sound angry, I don't think your furkid will come to you.

There is actually a book about using positive training methods instead of abusive methods. This usually involves giving rewards and being more patient with your furkids.

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doodle
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Sep 14, 2003, 12:15 AM


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Re: [snoopdog] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

I agree with you about not knowing our own strength.

Sometimes when we are stressed, we tend to slam the door or tear our assignment papers to pieces.

Imagine we did to our dog...

I think it is ok if you hit him once just to warn him...Let him know that it is wrong.


alvin
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Sep 17, 2003, 2:51 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Unsure No to physical punishment eventhough he has rearranged your entire garden or furniture....which my little Beagle often do... However, I am guilty of spanking him when he is extremely naughty but I get all torn inside if he yelps.... So, I will just resort to "firm" voice....which does not work all the time.... but what to do...?

It takes patience.....lots of patience....


PSD
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Sep 18, 2003, 7:17 PM


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Re: [doodle] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?


In Reply To
i m not too sure whether which is the right way or which works better. But how come some people who don't hit their dogs are still able to train them.
Does those Australian that I saw hit their dogs too in order for them to sit quietly outside waiting for their ownder?
What about police force?
Just curious.


Khoo,
This is a good topic. My say is that no Puppy or dog should be exposed to compulsions for disipline. The dog must show 100% understanding of the command before you choose to use compulsion. At this stage every one is going to say that their dog understands......(to explain this needs another topic of discussion)

Compulsions are used only in the instance of dog already 100% knows the command but chose to disobey. This is mostly used in police training and also protection sports and also OB sports. This ensures reliability as for instance a Police service dog must not fail a command during patrol work or a high level competition dog must not fail a command.

So in this case I would say

No - to unfair and uneducated physical punishment

Yes- necessary for police/military and high level sports dog for reliability once the command is 100% understood.

PSD

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cshellz
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Sep 18, 2003, 8:08 PM


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Re: [PSD] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Hi PSD, Smile

Just wondering are you in the Police/Military Force??

In Malaysia??


PSD
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Sep 18, 2003, 9:22 PM


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Re: [cshellz] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?


In Reply To
Hi PSD, Smile

Just wondering are you in the Police/Military Force??

In Malaysia??


cshellz,

No. Sorry if the callsign misguided you. I am more into high tempremented GSD's that will be easily trainable as sports dogs, pets and yes police and military quality as well. I'm here to contribute some thoughts and share opinions as best I can in a hope that everyone can benefit from it. Yeah I think I sounded serious but some topics I donno how not to be. Hope it has been helpful.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


cshellz
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Sep 19, 2003, 12:02 AM


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Re: [PSD] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

hi PSD Smile

Heheh...thanks for the explanation. U see, most of us here have been here for some time so we sorta know who's who. So when a new person as knowledgeable as u join the forum, naturally we're all curious to know a bit more about you. Hope you don't mind Wink

Well, a belated welcome to the forum to you. Hope you can continue in discussions and continue to contribute your knowledge & opinions as it will definitely benefit many of us.

Most importantly, have fun!! Cool


PSD
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Sep 19, 2003, 1:04 AM


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Re: [cshellz] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?


In Reply To
hi PSD Smile

Heheh...thanks for the explanation. U see, most of us here have been here for some time so we sorta know who's who. So when a new person as knowledgeable as u join the forum, naturally we're all curious to know a bit more about you. Hope you don't mind Wink

Well, a belated welcome to the forum to you. Hope you can continue in discussions and continue to contribute your knowledge & opinions as it will definitely benefit many of us.

Most importantly, have fun!! Cool


Blush Knowledge can be found if only we know where to look for. Anyone can be knowledgeble if use the curiosity to research some materials and practise and experiment it. I'm certainly not the most knowledgeble person here as I'm still researching. Many thanks you look so highly of me. If my thoughts can help more to be a responsible dog owners, I shall continue to post here. Thanks for your welcome. i appreciate it greatly.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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Amanda85
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Oct 29, 2003, 9:55 PM


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Re: [alvin] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

sometimes kinki tends to be naughty. maybe digging , fight with my terrier , bark for attention and etc.

so everytime i'll shout a 'NO'. hold up her paw and scold her for a few minutes. and then i'll chain her up (or put in the crate) for about one or two hours. this work for my dog. coz i think everydogs dislike being chain up.

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doberman
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Nov 18, 2003, 12:47 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

urmmm...for me ar.... depents...if the dogs really naughty, then he need to b punished so that he knows who is thier master...am i rite??



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Zoe
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Jan 13, 2004, 8:06 AM


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Re: [doberman] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

I used physical punishment on my previous dog - a GR/Spitz mix rescued fr SPCA. Not as intelligent but v faithful. He turned out to obey/listen to me more because of fear than trust. There's not much free will on his part. Most times I have to yell 'NO'. I dont like that.

With Zoe, a pure bred (thus shd be more intelligent?), I decided to change track. Totally non-physical punishment, just deprivation of love/affection and showing of displeasure. Also, 'No' is only said as a last resort. She's rewarded with priases - 'cleaver girl', 'good girl'. She learn to recognize 'Dont do that' to stop certain actions immediately eg biting, chewing, digging. 'I dont like' - after the fact chastising. 'Stop', 'Im tired', 'buzy' - no more games. The second last severe words are 'You never listen' & 'Zoe naughty'. Usually the roll of newpaper is already in my hands. A short lecture & deprivation of love follows for 5 mins. If all else fails, the 'No' is used which means stop everyting and return to base (where I am). Usually a fairly long lecture follows. Nvm she wont understand my gibberish nags, the fact that I'm not happy with her is good enuf. If the newpaper is in my hands, I'll be smacking it against my hand/tighs or something.

The 1st apporach with Daniel is v effective, the totally opposite track with Zoe is not as effective, she sometimes disobeys the 1st few warnings until the 'Never listen' comes out.

But at least Zoe has a more independent character compared to Daniel. She comes to me when called but not always - like having to climb the flight of stairs to sleep in the room. She'll still obey if I insist. I can 'force' Daniel to drink water but Zoe will only do that if she's somewhat thirsty.

So, I like my second appoach better. And it shows that no physical punishment is required to get yr dog to learn to obey you. But the second method requires more patience and a lot of refrain to immediately use the word 'No' for every non desirable actions.


terenceg
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Jan 29, 2004, 7:42 PM


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Re: [Zoe] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

physical punishment i think, should be depended on sizes of doggie...

i don't think i can hold a great dane and shout NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..... but a small light smack at the butt should be sufficient instead of a tyson punch.

then again,

a NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO would do the trick to toy doggie..............

maybe wrong :) maybe right....



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a_evie
Doggyman


Jan 30, 2004, 12:09 AM


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Re: [terenceg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

my answer has to be a yes and no.

yes for physical ounishement when the mistake is repeated over and over again. sometimes i reckon shalom repeats her mistakes because she is lazy i.e. lazy to walk to her peepoo place or even too busy playing thus forgetting where to peepoo.

no when you know its a doggie thing to do like sniff another doggie's backside or burying bones.

and even in the case of physical punishment, shalom gets smacks on the bum and yes light smacks on the mouth for eating poop.

am thinking of getting a cane for threats rather than spank purposes...i trried rolling newspapers but the rascal took that quite offensively and refused to peepoo on newspapers for the next few days when i started the newspaper as a threat.

have had friends who caned their doggies once only and thereafter they were obedient. and would only require a stern NO. eventually the cane became like a prop...when they do not respond to the NO the cane is shown and doggie stops all nonsence. in fact one friend also resorts to face the wall when you have beeen naughty. worked well on him thus far.

am keen to trry that out again when my friend joins me for a break next month. i've tried the face the wall trick but shalom looked away the moment i walked away.

as for love and attention deprivation...it works for shalom only a short while. someetimes i don't even bother to reprimand her. just clean up her mess, send her back into her room, switch off the lights and ignore her. its tough....coz she would give you the extremely pitiful look. and yes, she will trry to pacify you back by standing up and looking at me real hard each time i have to walk by her room (shalom has the whole bathroom to herself with the door open).


jaytan
Canine Addict


Feb 21, 2004, 7:58 PM


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Re: [a_evie] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Hi Evie, of course NO to violence against dogs, causing fear, aggressiveness or submissiveness. But I vote YES to physical punishment as part of the way we relate with our dogs.

Firstly, dogs are physical animals and often relate rough with each other. That is the way they communicate. If my dog bites my hand I will slap it to show it is not acceptable behaviour. My doggie learns the same way as from relating with its siblings. Sometimes your dog is distracted or just ignores you. A whack on the rump will get the dog's attention. I guess this is more relating physically than punishment as such.

Secondly, dogs are clever and they will call your bluff. Sometimes you can NOOOO till you lose your voice and your dog will do as it wishes. You must be able to back up the commands, treats and leadership. When my doggie escapes its leash and runs off, I have to let it know my displeasure by beating it. Otherwise it may conclude that it is fine and make it a habit. Anyway, it is not worse than being run over by a car. I imagine that a wolf pack leader will fight or even kill to assert itself.

Thirdly, physical punishment is clearer and less harmful than psychological or emotional violence. Food and attention deprivation can also make your pet manupilative and sneaky to survive the psycho war you created. I would prefer my babies to be secure with me. They have to know that you will be there for them. You will feed them. You will come back later when you leave them. You will let them out shortly when you crate them. Although you will beat them if they do wrong.

Please, I dont mean anyone can let off steam in violence. As handlers we have to be very clear what we are doing and our doggies also have to know our intentions. Then the pack can function well. Otherwise, more problems will be created. Best regards, J


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Re: [edser] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?


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usually we shout NO!! but if the mistake is big then have to beat already. Wink





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Re: [jaytan] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

quite a lot of people have problems differentiating btw violence on their pets and disciplining.

there was one neighbour of my sis that had caned / smacked the spitz so hard that i remember seeing the poor dog limped ever after. strangely...no matter what happens, the doggie is still so faithful to that nasty man.

i have not bought the cane yet. no heart to buy it...so have to contend myself with calling shalom in her chinse name when she misbehaves...and oddly she responds very well to her chinse name and stops all nonsense.

i'll see how she progresses...if she really turns too difficult to control, i mau well resort to buying a cane.

as for sitting to face the wall...i did it on her a couple of times when she peed on the floor immediately after i have washed her bathroom...ok ok...she did not really sit to face teh wall after i left her bathroom but she remained in that spot that i placed her to face the wall until someone calls her or distracts her. and the first thing she does next is to pee correctly and then run to me to let me know that she has done it right this time. normally she would either run to me and then run back to her bathroom until i walk to her bathroom. no barks...only barks when she has pooped.


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Feb 26, 2004, 6:11 AM


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Re: [a_evie] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Hi Evie, it is very funny for Shalom to respond to her chinese name like a NO command. Maybe I should give my puppies chinese names too but I can only think of seow kou and huai tan, hehehe.

Er, may I suggest you dont buy that cane. Just use a rolled up magazine if newspaper complicates your training, or just use your palm. Papers are light and wont hurt but makes a loud noise and will startle for effect. If you use an open palm you can feel your own strength. I feel a cane is like a stick which can be harmful if really used. I know you dont intend to really use it, but fear one day your doggie will challenge you to back up your threat. Or maybe someone else may use it just because it was available. Best regards,J


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Mar 2, 2004, 10:58 PM


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Re: [jaytan] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

went to the pasar malam for 2 weeks consequtively...saw the cane and just didn't have the heart to buy...so i'm back to smacking my own thigh to make the loud noise if necessary.

magazines don't work either...they must smell like newspaper....coz i used the ma and she refused to peepoo on the newspaper.

you can try the names ke ai (a friend of mine is actually named ke ai by her parents)...don't lah use huaitan...the kid will surely turn into a rascal due to his or her name.


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Well...in my opinion may be is a yes...coz my mastiff only listen to me but not my wife in certain behaviour....he never try biting me while playing with me but when he plays with my wife he likes to bitely softly...

and also most of the time i m the only one who can command him ...so i think that may be for a stubborn dog thats not avoidable...(especially big breed),coz u really have to show him who is the master at the time of his stubbornness rather than let it be n see wat to do next!


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

I love my dogs but I do agree on minor punishment.

Yes - on minor punishment
No - for physical punishment which will hurt the dog physically and mentally.

My experience : my lab likes to chew our shoes although she got sufficient toys to play with and your question may ask, why you leave your shoes on the floor for her to bite? We have been trying very hard to put the shoes sky up but she will take any opportunity to take the shoe if we have forgotten to put it into cabinet. We have no choice but have to 'implement' minor punishment and now, we don't even need to hide our shoes as she has stopped taking our shoes for chewing anymore. I do agree on minor punishment that doesn't hurt the dog just like my parent beat me when I was a kid if I had done something terrible wrong Blush.



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Re: [melissa] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

No laa, pity the doggy. we must understand them.


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May 14, 2004, 1:31 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

When i was a young kid, i lived in canada with my family. We bought a german shepard which is about 1 year old. We bought it fully trained. U could not imagine how good it was trained. It wouldn't yet anything that we didnt gave it. When we said stay, it would stay. Even when u walked about 100meter away. The way the trainer trained it, he didnt use any force or physical punishment. The trainer told me, if the dog didnt listen, just squat in front of it, hold it firmly by its head and say' BAD boy' using a very firm voice while staring into its eyes. Youmust not have any feeling of fear.

Then when i came back to malaysia. We bought another dog. This time it was a Rott. My dad hired an ex K9 police officer to train the dog. Now the method this guy used was totally opposite. He used the choke chain method. To train the dog to sit, he pulled the choke and pushed it to the sit position after giving it the sit command. He did it a few times. After that when he gave the sit command, and the dog was slow to reply, he would pull the choke so hard, it could kill a 9 year old child. He used this method to train all the other command. The rott was also very good.

So both methods can give the same result. But from my experience, the physical method makes the dog scared. The dog will do things because he is scared at u. While the method without physical punishment makes a dog happy and willing to do what u ask of it.


Bull Lover
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Jun 8, 2004, 6:40 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

hi! i cannt say physical punishment couldn't train out good dog, but i am more believe in if u build up a close relationship with ur doggie and let them know u r the alpha, ur doggie will follow what u ask for.

physical punishment will make the dog scare of u, he will not have happy life, because everything is in force..

this is the 1st time i have my 'OWN' bully. before i only play and train my friend dogs when i go over... i don't punished them at all, and i am not always with them.. they still do everything i ask for and just looking for my sayang... even they are only mongrels, still make good friend...

now my bully will not have any reaction with physical punishment.. his skin is just really thick haha, if i slap his thigh..he becouse more excited..(maybe i didn't slap as strong as others ppl do, but i feel its strong enough for me and him.. i one slap him, he will sit on the floor..), but it doesn't work on my bully. when he done something that is not welcome, i just talk with him with an angry voice, i don't have to yell on him, just talk in an unhappy voice, maybe normally i talk softly like talking to a baby to my bully so he can differetiate and know his action is not welcome.

this can cool him down and he will stop doing the same thing.. although he will do it again once he forgot... but i know he will learn slowly.

physical punishment can control the doggie, but our kids will not be happy to do things... we want our kids to be happy, aren't we?


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alicehc1980
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Jun 15, 2004, 2:52 AM


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Re: [Bull Lover] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

I dun know whether YES / NOT! BUt most of the time i agree that the physical punishment is really can train up them .By the way , sometime is not. Just like my furkid it almost 8 months no matter how i give encouragement / sayang .......... it's still like to bite my shoes.......... especially the new shoes!!!


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Jun 15, 2004, 5:24 AM


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Re: [alicehc1980] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Hi,

Your dog bite your shoes coz he is boring and feel ignored. Did you buy him any toys to bite ? Give him some toys and I think he will stop biting your shoes....Sly

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Jun 15, 2004, 7:43 AM


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Re: [alicehc1980] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

halo.. i do this on taro.. hope it work with u also...

when he chew on ur shoes.. tell him NO and push him away.. give him his chew toy.. once he bite ont his toy... sayang him kuat kuat.... if really canot stop.. try to put some lime juice... and take the shoes for him to chew purposly... my taro will stop chew on that thing after i let him know it is lime juice there... but not sure can it work with others doggie... but can try lah hehe...

taro also no more energy to chew on things after i play and train him every evening...

hmm maybe taro is still young.. so it is abit easy to control.. hope he will not be notti once he grow up lah! bless me ok! hehe


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alicehc1980
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Jun 21, 2004, 10:31 AM


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Re: [Bull Lover] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

thank for you all suggestion! i really get toys for her to chew! but it still like to bite shoes. may b i busy on working these few day. my furkid start to bite cloth. may b it really feel boring lah! coz it still a puppy. But i will try to use LEMON.....he...he... THANK


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Aug 22, 2004, 4:37 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Physical Punishment, i vote not sure coz if got chance i wont punish or hurt them Frown

they seems so innocent to me and i treat them just like my kids . how can the parents punish their kids? in the heart they sure will give many excuses for not to punish them isnt it? Tongue


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Jun 8, 2005, 12:45 AM


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Re: [edser] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

To beat the dog does not help and certainly the dog will not learn anything, just getting scared and/or timid.

They can't link your anger to the wrong behavior, e.g. you call your dog and he/she does not come. You keep on calling until he/she finally shows up. You beat the dog because you are exhausted and frustrated. What does the dog learnt? He called and I did come and I got beating, so better stay away from him.

You beat your dog and he/she gets scared of your hand. The next time you want to give a lovely touch and he/she might snap at your hand because the last time it did hurt.

I know it is very difficult to stay calm when he/she does not listen and refused to learn. Try something else instead (to finish with a positive experience the session). Try again in a few days time and you might be more lucky.

Always remember, we don't speak "dog" but expect them to understand us.


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Jun 12, 2005, 12:23 AM


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Re: [JoeSmith] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

In agreement but there is a lot of ways and meaning or expression of beating. I do not personally agree to means way of physical punishment. i think i love them overmuch that a light pat is all it need.Wink



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JoeSmith
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Jun 13, 2005, 7:15 PM


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Re: [edser] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

That is just fine and I see that you have toy breed dogs. They should not give you any reason for punishment.



By the way, it is not just love that I do not beat my dog. It is simple common sense. I don’t gain or achieve anything by beating a dog. Any training is faster and more likely to have a success when conducted with love and lots of praise. Sometimes a little bribery with a treat works and on other days a small game will do the trick.


Amanda85
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Jun 14, 2005, 4:16 AM


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Re: [JoeSmith] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

ofcoz i don;t beat my dog, coz i just love her so much that i will surely forgive her no matter what she had done wrong.

but occasionally... erm i think oftenly, i tend to threaten her.. do u think this will bring negative effect also.?

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JoeSmith
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Jun 14, 2005, 6:35 PM


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Re: [Amanda85] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

First of all, when your dog did something wrong then it is YOUR fault. You did not train your dog and/or made it absolutely clear to her.



What do you achieve when you threaten your dog? A simple & firm NO will normally do the job.

Try to train her by using love, treats and lots of praise, but treats and praise give ONLY when she has done it correctly.

Make sure that when you give the command that she is doing it. You are the “alpha-dog” and pack leader.

Ensure that you end any training session with a positive experience. Give a command she surely knows to do, so that training always ends with a success.

If you can follow those steps then you will not see her doing anything wrong again (except some occasional accidents around the house).


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Re: [icezcream] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?


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well...i settle for both "yes" and "no".
"yes"-minor physical punishment is essential for learning. you know,like how our parents hit us when we did something wrong...

"no"-if the physical punishment causes unbearable pain and injuries.

I agree with icezcream. My hubby beat Beauty slightly with rollup newspaper when she is behaving naughty. Real naughty like clawing on our newly painted car porch wall and ripping off a plastic strip on the car door! of course my hubby will get mad. Carry her into a corner and lecture her.hahaha! Sly But after that i'll sayang Beauty back as always. The funny thing is even after all the beating and lecturing, Beauty still looks as eager to please my hubby and always wagging her tail. Wink

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nicky_spykeaz
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Jun 23, 2005, 2:07 AM


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Re: [Beauty_n_Lee] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Me also ler
For me, my punishment is simply
A roll of newspaper and then a slight wack...then confide in a corner for few hours until he know he did something wrong...And he will learn from it. For me to use newspaper because i try to hit in on me, not pain but the sound is WOW..loud...that get my dog attention.
I can list thing Bobby and Benjy will get punish for
only one in particular..is this one.

CHASING CAR, BIKE OR ANY THING THAT IS 4 WHEELS IS FrownFrown <-- because it is dangerous two both party

Showing teeth and growl to my guest, i have them too socialize for now they dont even bark at stranger only wagging tail..<-- dont know why, they only bark to ppl they dont like n most of them i also dont like Tongue

aggressive and fighting with our brother or others dog. also a FrownFrown action. That why we go JT to socialize with other dog.. But this is never been a problem Laugh They love to play with other dog..

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Beauty_n_Lee
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Jun 24, 2005, 2:36 AM


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Re: [nicky_spykeaz] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

luckily Beauty doesn't chase cars or anything. and dunno if her previous owner socialize her or not but she doesn't bark at strangers and everyone also she wag tail. Crazy and she only barks at dogs if they start barking first. so is she considered an angel Angelic or not? Smile her only problem is chewing and clawing wall! Mad oh and jumping on me !!

we've reduced the punishment already, maybe becoz she has learned her lessons or maybe gone bored chewing slippers.

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nicky_spykeaz
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Jun 24, 2005, 2:54 AM


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Re: [Beauty_n_Lee] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

My punishment to my dog is only one in the blue moon..This is because when i am angry, i am vey angry, that make my dog scare of me Tongue
If your dog continue to chew your dog, i teach you a way, it might so cruel but it work and normally cure all the pain, if she chew, catch her act in one spot, then use the roll of newspaper and hit gently, i mean really gentle at her mouth, and show her the thing she chew, and say a strong firm voice of "NO". This will take few lesson and lost of few shoe for her to learn. Smile
If this didnt work, try this, normally i never go to here before but my friend do, when she doing the chewing thing again, rub pepper or chilli powder to her mouth and show her the thing she chew and repeat again the "NO".
Normally in this stage, they really phobia bitting and chewing stuff. This might be cruel but you still have to let your dog know who is the master and there is rule to obey. But at the same time, love is must be part of it.
Then for the jumping,it easier, work on my GSD and my mixed breed, when she jump, turn your back to her and said "NO" or "BAD" which ever you feel suitable. When you turn your back, the dog have no fun liao.
If that doesnt work, when she did that, push her away gentle or put her down and said "NO". When she didnt jump, praise her.
hope it work ya..This is how i train my furkid..But they sill being rascal once in awhile..

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Oct 6, 2005, 4:17 AM


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Re: [nicky_spykeaz] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Mostly I'll shout NO. But if it still do it, I will eventually whack it.Pirate


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Oct 6, 2005, 10:44 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

I'd say NO in general as I think dogs will listen to you and look up to you as their owner/leader. Some dogs generally get into trouble as they as too active/bored and do not get enough exercise. But at the same time I think that a light tap on the butt by the side of the leg doesn't hurt when they really get too out of hands as you are just letting them know they are really out of hands. That is the only time I'd say yes to physical punishment-a light tap by the side of their hind legs using my hands and NOTHING else. I never really had problems with the dogs I have had. The only dog with problem was a dog that got into an accident when he was a puppy coz he somehow sneaked out from the compound eventhough it was fenced up properly so when he was recovering and recovered we spoilt him out of guilt and before we knew, he was out of hands! But I guess it is never too late to train a dog. Just need more patience that is all.


Amber.Faith
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Nov 9, 2006, 9:21 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

For me it is 'Yes' & 'No'. Sometimes, it is very difficult to say which one is better to correct our dogs. The problem is, if we don't beat for what it has done wrong, it is thinking, "Oh, my master doesn't mind me doing it, so I just go on lah...!"

When just scolding a dog without beating, for some dogs it goes into their brains but for some, they'll not listen at all! So what's the next step? Beat lah! I mean, you don't have to do it hard at all, just a little smack on their butts or pull their ears is good enough. Sometimes, yes we do loose out tempers & we might not be able to control ourselves just like me for instance, I'm already in a bad mood my dog did something wrong, i just can't help it but beat it up! It happens to you too I know...I'm not the only one here.

So, it's a 'Yes' & 'No' for me. It does work when you beat & smetimes it also works when you jsut scold. Nowadays, I try to control myself & not beat my dogs coz it'll just make them scared of me. And I don't want that to happen...They might think I don't love them anymore but sometimes, they've got to understand why I've done it...Sigh! Dogs, dogs, dogs...


Amanda85
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Nov 10, 2006, 6:37 PM


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Re: [Amber.Faith] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

i used 2 beat my kinki too.....but d outcome is, she get scare of me sometimes....

luckily pacco is better...i mean i manage to communicate with her better......when i scold or stare @ her, she'll get scare n timidly return to me, becoz she knows tat i will not beat her......as i didn't do any physical punishment since d day i got her....

mostly i use mental punishment like staring, ignoring or confining her.....

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Amber.Faith
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Nov 10, 2006, 7:53 PM


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Re: [Amanda85] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

What's very funny is, Amber's usually scared when I get angry with her even if I don't raise my voice, just by calling out her name & putting my arms on my waist, she knows she's gona get it. But I don't beat her, she'll sneak up in front of me and sit. And will lick my hand saying sorry...People at my training plc seen this happening before & said she's a very good girl. For my Faith, gggggrrrrr! She runs away thinking we want to play with her.


Amanda85
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Nov 11, 2006, 1:32 AM


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Re: [Amber.Faith] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

mayb u juz can't expect 2 diff breed of dog to hv d same kind of behaviour...

golden is meant to more obedient....in fact, ppl tends to rate golden as d most obedient dog among all other breed....

so probably for a dalmation, owner gotta put in more effort.

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Amber.Faith
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Nov 11, 2006, 4:29 AM


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Re: [Amanda85] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Yes Goldens are one of the most intelligent & obedient dog in this world. But not mecessary ALL are...There's no 100% Goldens in this world that are as good as they are supposed to be. Not saying Amber's not inteligent, she is but just a little disobedient. There'sno perfect dog in this world!

I'm not expecting them both to be exactly the same. I'm happy the way Amber is right now. I'm happy the way Faith is right now is just that it is very dabgerous for her to run off like that, even to the main road! What can I do...? Faith's as intelligent as Amber but doesn't bother pleasing her owner as much as Amber does. Faith's handled by my mum so she's softer with her even to Amber. I'm not. I'm more the serious type when it comes to training...If Faith was our 1st dog & I paid more attention training as much as I am doing to Amber, she'll be perfect! A good canine citizen! LOL!!!


Amanda85
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Nov 12, 2006, 1:03 AM


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Re: [Amber.Faith] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

ofcoz no dog r perfect.....u can't expect a golden to be so obedient, until they might resemble a robot...

as for running of d road, i don't think i'll trust any dog in tat ever. in my lifetime....no matter how obedient they r....

i think faith is more of a active n high drive dog...which is good n u can concentrate more in things that require more energy, coz i remember u mentioned tat amber can get tired rather easily....

so mayb amber dominate d OB n faith dominate d agility.....Wink

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Amber.Faith
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Nov 12, 2006, 9:38 PM


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Re: [Amanda85] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Errrr...something like that. Amber does get tired easily than Faith but she enjoys doing somthing I tell her to do besides OB when I have her ball in my hands. Honestly, I think Amber's making herself damn bored when it comes to OB training coz she just HATES IT!!! All Faith wants is to be with Amber. That's it! When let go offleash during agility, she runs back to Amber. When during OB class, Faith's in a diff class, so she would whine and whine and whine to go back to Amber. When we just bring Amber our for a walk or for a ride in the car, she would sit in the porch starring outside looking miserable & whine and whine and it goes on UNTIL...she comes back! You know lah, Dalmatians tend to be disobedient at times & are not the type to actually please their owners. Not like Goldens....


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Nov 13, 2006, 7:20 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

i would say mostly YES and at certain time NO (depends on situation)...

usually when they did something wrong, all I need to do is to call their name in an angry tone of voice, they will stop the action and will walk away d...but sometimes, when they choose to ignore me, usually I only need to put my hands on my waist and walk towards them...usually it works that way...

but there are some very rare occasion whereby they really get naughty and ignore me totally (ke si ke si like din hear me)..so i'l just go n whack their backside lightly...but usually very rare la for me to do dat...coz after dat, i heartache pulak!!!!!!!!!!




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Amanda85
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Nov 13, 2006, 11:24 PM


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Re: [Amber.Faith] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

how old of faith? mayb she haven't mature yetLaugh ....but training faith can be more challenging, right?

btw....every1 shld knows tat dogs dislike OB......same as d owner too....i can lost patient when i train OB....when my dog kenot sit squarely n kenot do a straight down position....i feel so frustrated....

Pacco de Mongrel
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Amber.Faith
Old Kaki


Nov 14, 2006, 3:19 AM


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Re: [Amanda85] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

Faith's gona turn 9mth soon. Neither have Amber matured yet! There's nothing to do whether she has matured or hasn't matured yet, it comes to whether she's obedient or not. Faith can do off leash OB with me only not with my mum or anybody else. For me, as long they go sit & go down when i tell them too, is good enuf for me. Do it fast not slowly....


Amanda85
Doggyman


Nov 15, 2006, 6:52 PM


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Re: [Amber.Faith] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

yeah, fast is crucial....but do it correctly oso important...or else, u lost a lot of marks there...

to me i feel tat age is oso a factor...i remember last time when pacco was a puppy, she tend to be even more hyperactive n she made a big fuss out of everything......during jungle trekking, she tends to run up d hill....

but now she's edi 1 1/2yrs old...n she more behave compare 2 wat she use 2 be....last time during events @ Bandar utama, i don't even dare 2 let her offleash....n when she did d fastest recall, she ran all d way towards d lake....Crazy that time i felt like wan 2 pengsan...

Pacco de Mongrel
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Amber.Faith
Old Kaki


Nov 17, 2006, 12:24 AM


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Re: [Amanda85] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

If do OB training with them, they can calm down after a while too...Not only just the age. Yes sometimes it can be the age but I know one dog that still chews & is hyper active & is 7 years old...My Faith not really suitable for any of those activities lah, coz it's either she be confused, lost or just be naughty and run away! So how? That's why I participate Amber mostly, coz she can do most of them & she's obedient and will follow what I tell her to do unless she gets distracted with only one thing, BALL!


potter
Member


Feb 9, 2007, 1:09 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] Physical Punishment, YES or NO ?

I voted for Not Sure. Why?I will explain later.

I don't hit my dog. He is pretty good anyways. One low-pitch "NOOOO" and he is scared hehe Laugh

But, I personally believe one tap on the butt is fine for disciplining. Just tap with hands, not hit hard because sometimes some dogs have a hard time listening but at the same time, if your dog is a timid one, it will break its trust towards you. One tap is all it takes to break the trust in some dogs so..again it really depend on the owner.
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