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In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia


Poll: In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia
Yes for both 203 / 47%
No for both 142 / 33%
Ban Tail Docking, Ear Cropping Acceptable 3 / 1%
Ban Ear Cropping, Tail Docking Acceptable 55 / 13%
Not Sure 33 / 8%
436 total votes
 

Khoobg
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Jun 23, 2003, 5:50 AM


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In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Ear Cropping and Tail Docking has been banned in many european countries. In your opinion, do you think the same should be banned in Malaysia or not. Please vote and also tell us your view on this topic.

I would love to see Doberman and Rottweiler with tail. Oh yes, how will a Mini Schnauzer look like with longer tail.

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(This post was edited by Khoobg on Jun 25, 2003, 2:10 PM)


drew
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Jun 23, 2003, 6:15 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

when the vet docked the puppies' tails ... heard them shouting, crying ... dem pain ! imagine if this happen to human .. the we gotta crop our ears ... (err, look like elve ? Tongue) dock our ... errrr, nothing to dock tho ! Tongue against it ... it's painful ... same as microchipping ... also painful .. the needle is so SO SO thick !Frown


Khoobg
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Jun 23, 2003, 6:23 AM


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Re: [drew] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Apart from pain, tail is widely used by dog as a tool as communication among dogs.


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mackmack
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Jun 23, 2003, 7:57 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Definitely a YES from me.


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hunter
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Jun 23, 2003, 9:30 AM


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Re: [ALL] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

hi,

what's the point of docking the tails and ears anyway? i mean, why does some dogs have to crop, and some doesn't???

based on the letter from MKA that day, aside from ear cropping, tail docking, it was also mentioned that MSAVA also requested MKA to discourage member to perform these on dogs :

1. Devocalisation
2. Declawing and defanging

can anyone please explain how are these done??? i haven't heard of devocalisation +defanging before.


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lulugurl
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Jun 23, 2003, 9:33 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

A big YES from me...and BAN to cutting the vocal cords of dogs. These ppl are so cruel. Mad

Mr. Khoo, they uses their tail to communicate? that i did not knowBlush
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cherygan
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Jun 23, 2003, 6:49 PM


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Re: [lulugurl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

A 'YES' from me ,but i dont think those show guys will love to have thier Rotty with long tail or maybe Boxer with a long tail too. I think its oki to dock thier tail when they are born, as it wont hurt as much when they get older, but ear cropping will be painful for those poor kids.


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kathleen.tay
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Jun 23, 2003, 8:08 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi Khoo

I think it should be ban .... poor thing ... I actually heard from a fren last time this ppl did illegal tail docking by tying rubber ban on a small puppy and when there is no blood circulation to the end of the tail , eventually the tail will drop ..... UnimpressedUnimpressed and also cutting it off when it is still a puppy. Not sure how true it is but this is so so cruel ......

Anyway, I support the ban cos I love dogs tail ... hee hee especially those with lots lots of fur ....
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cshellz
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Jun 23, 2003, 8:23 PM


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Re: [cherygan] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Well, a Rottie or Boxer with long tail was how they were born to be. Smile Docking the tail "enhances" the look of the breed, and making us humans "used" to seeing a Rottie with a docked tail, for example.

I'm against docking and cropping too because it's pitiful to see the puppies in a state of pain. Worst still, because of the human's preference for the way they should look, this opens up to the possibility of many irresponsible ppl who perform the 'surgery' the cruel way. ie the rubber band example, if it's true they do it Mad

Anyway, individual dogs are born to look a certain way. I'm just wondering why would the show judges prefer rotties with docked tail when they naturally have one??


yumiko_masaki
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Jun 23, 2003, 9:04 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

FrownFrown i really don't agree in tail docking andear cropping and ithink it should be banned ...

it's really painful .. i think most of us will feel pain even a single small cut .... looks at those little ears and tails being cut ... it will be much more painful than that 10 times more ...

my uncle's friend who owns 4 minpin, and he uses rubber bands to cut off the little minpin tails .. it so cruel... i can't even bear to hear them crying... FrownFrown just try to think in the minpin shoes ? whatif were them ??? will they love being cut their ears and tails ??
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tomatodog
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Jun 23, 2003, 9:43 PM


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Re: [yumiko_masaki] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

ya...band band...
so "Kasian" to see those dog with tail dockking and ear cropping....they "sakit" 1 lah.....

I thing many of use also "tak sanggup" see those dog in pain....right

so band band.


hennychang
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Jun 24, 2003, 6:40 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Frownsilly question ???

y not your question is In your opinion, if doggy is our Master and we Human is their pets should tail docking and ear cropping in HUMAN Being be ban in Malaysia??

for me is yes pls ban it.

but if our doggy Master allow human tail docking and ear cropping and will not ban, then I will not ban it.Unsure

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Khoobg
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Jun 24, 2003, 7:16 AM


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Re: [hennychang] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Unfortunately docking of tail and cropping of ear has been practised till today by many breeder and some vet even perform devocalization procedure. Officially, these are still not banned in Malaysia but there has been a lot of discussion lately on whether Malaysia should follow some countries in europe to institute banning of tail docking, ear cropping and devocalization in dog. It is always good to know the views of dog lovers.

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Bubbles
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Jun 24, 2003, 7:29 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

If I were the breeder, I wouldn't do these kind of things to the dogs. What right do we have to torture them, just because we can control them? The standard of any breeder should be its natural being, not after any human manipulation!!! But not only animals are suffering in this world, humans are too. What can we do to make it a more peaceful place?


Khoobg
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Jun 24, 2003, 7:32 AM


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Re: [lulugurl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi EVE,

Dogs wag their tails to express their happiness and more..... I though that is pretty common. When one dog meet another dog, they too wag their tail to welcome each other. In the case of dogs without tail, this can not be achieved and the two dogs may end up fighting.


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cdmoo
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Jun 24, 2003, 5:27 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi Khoo,

Is it better to separate this poll into 2 diff polls. .. one for tail docking , one for ear cropping ?

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Khoobg
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Jun 25, 2003, 2:11 PM


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Re: [cdmoo] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Poll modified. Thanks for the suggestion


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makrawl
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Jul 1, 2003, 2:15 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

i think it might be better if the breeders don't do anything to the puppies and let the buyers to decide if they want the things to be done. and if those new owner wish to do so, they must seek only for the qualified doctor and certified on the cert or something like that?? for tail docking, i know that the earlier, the better. so this might doesn't work for tail docking......


quinalona
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Jul 1, 2003, 9:29 PM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi Khoo! I don't think that this may be so much the case. I had 2 Doberman back home and when we took in another Doberman (also with nipped tail), it didn't seem to affect their bonding. In fact, it was my Pappilon, Charlie (with full tail) that seem to object to our new arrival. Then again, it could be because he's really spoiled and loves to challenge the other dogs (inspite of his puny size).

So I think that although tails play a part in animal behavior, their personality actually adds major points in their relationships to both animals and humans.


quinalona
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Jul 1, 2003, 9:42 PM


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Re: [cherygan] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

I agree with you that tail docking and ear cropping should be allowed only when the pups are still young (they recuperate a lot faster at this age). However, grown dogs should NOT go through this experience.

Speaking of which, some people actually go through "self-mutilation" to enhance their own appearance (i.e. body piercings, tattoos, wearing stilletto heels), or even for religious purposes (i.e. walking over flaming hot coals, even circumcision).

However, people do it out of their own free will, our fur kids do not have the ability to let us know if they want to snip it or not.

Even though I may agree to tail docking and ear cropping at a young age, I am of the opinion that declawing and cutting off vocal chords should be banned in Malaysia and every where else.

(This post was edited by quinalona on Jul 1, 2003, 9:45 PM)


quinalona
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Jul 1, 2003, 9:58 PM


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Re: [cshellz] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

You're right that dogs were born to look a certain way. Dog show judges giving higher points to Rotties with docked tails is the same as a beauty contestant winning the pagent because she has the "right look".

However, some dog's appearances were altered because they served a particular purpose. Take for instance the poodle. They don't have that fancy haircut for beauty. Poodles were originally hunting dogs and the cut made it easier for them to do their jobs without having to get tangled in the brush or be wieghed down by the extra hair (especially when they got wet). As for dobermans, I can only hypothesize that since they were bred to be guard dogs, the look made them seem more fierce. I mean, dogs with docked tails do look less friendly, ya? As for the ear cropping, I have been told that it helps them to hear better. I don't know if this is true tho.


arthur
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Jul 2, 2003, 1:30 AM


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Re: [quinalona] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi there!

I've read somewhere that certain breeds had their ears cropped and tail docked to give them a winning edge in the brutal sport of dog fighting. Cropped ears are much smaller than the natural floppy ears, less flesh for the opponent dog to bite. Similiarly for the long tail.

And yes, the poddle cut is serves a function like you said. The poms (tufts of hair) protect the leg joints at the knees and the kidneys on the body.

Thks for sharing!

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Khoobg
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Jul 2, 2003, 6:11 AM


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Re: [quinalona] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

It is always great to see the view and opinion of others. Cheers


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ymon
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Jul 5, 2003, 7:17 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

I am not sure about ear cropping. I have a Rottweiler which is docked tail when we got her. I think there was an article mentioned that the Rottweiler is a guard (working) dog, it will be more harm to keep the tail on them so it is better to docked the tail to avoid future injuries, is it true? And of course should only dock it when they were very young. Blush


snowflake
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Jul 5, 2003, 7:44 AM


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Re: [ymon] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hihi,

Actually u can always saw ear cropped doggie, especially Doberman n Boxer, i think most of the breeders crop their ear to make it stand so they'll look more alert n smart. I think




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luckey
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Jul 13, 2003, 9:15 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

I think tail cropping is OK... I was reading up alot on this topic when we had our cocker puppies, and in some breeds like the cocker, their tails are so long natuarally that if they are not cropped they run the risk of having a tail accident later in life and if the tail then has to be taken off or repaired then, even more painful for the dog.

Dont know about the tail being used to convey friendliness between dogs... Luckey seems to do this by wagging her bum since she has no tail Tongue

I think the thing they should think about banning in this country is microchipping... now THAT seems really painful for the pups. So much blood and we had a couple of our pups getting into the habit of growling when being caried after the trauma having their microchips put in.


luckey
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Jul 13, 2003, 9:20 AM


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Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

I think tail cropping should be done when the pups are a few days old at the most, so it should be breeders who arrange the cropping, not the buyers. Buyers who prefer uncropped tails can find a breeder who doesnt crop. Or choose a breed that doesnt require cropping.


makrawl
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Jul 14, 2003, 5:27 PM


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Re: [luckey] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

"choose a breed that doesnt require cropping."

yeah! that's the key. Wink

my cockers also wacgging their bums since they have only little tail left.


luckey
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Jul 15, 2003, 5:40 AM


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Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

haha... yeah they look rather cute doing that, no? BUt it seems it's our female cockers who do most of the bum wagging... know how to turn on their female charms Tongue


makrawl
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Jul 17, 2003, 10:22 PM


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Re: [luckey] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

in my case, my male cocker is doing it more often compare to my female cocker. he'll wag his bum like he had some "ecstasy" for his butt while "screaming" and climbing on my front gate whenever he sees me putting a CD into the player at the living room. strange..... Hmm. maybe he like jazz a lot??


luckey
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Jul 18, 2003, 8:47 AM


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Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

hehehe... how cute! maybe if he met luckey they can do a slow dance together ..haha.. altho brinkley would get jealous (altho she is also a gurl!)


icezcream
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Jul 19, 2003, 7:38 PM


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Re: [snowflake] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

removing any part of a dog or puppy should be ban!!

when i was younger,my dad told me how our old rottweiler's tail being removed when she was still a pup. the breeder would tie a rubberband on the tail. After a period of time the tail would drop because of the stopped blood circulation ..ewwwww..

if you wanna know how tail docked puppies feel,try tying a rubberband on your fingerCrazy

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makrawl
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Jul 20, 2003, 8:53 AM


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Re: [luckey] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

ough?! slow dance? i think it will never happen as mine is very hyperactive, maybe a samba or lambada will do! kekekeLaugh. so, before our dogs meet, u better train luckey to dance lambada! hahahaLaugh coz mine already an expert.


luckey
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Jul 20, 2003, 8:58 AM


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Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

hehehe... so are you coming to luckey's bday tomorrow at Padang Merbuk? maybe its time for them to meet, altho we have to bring along a stereo ! Tongue


makrawl
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Jul 20, 2003, 9:03 AM


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Re: [luckey] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

too bad as i can't tear myself apart from my "weekend duties" i can't even join any Sunday gathering. how sad is that. i have this orchestra practice every Sunday Morning Till Noon sometimes till late noon. what to do, already commited with them, cannot "mungkir janji lah".

hope u guys have a very happy moment. and for the 3 "sau sing gong" and "sau sing poh", wish they r as happy and healthy as ever!


luckey
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Jul 20, 2003, 9:15 AM


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Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

shame u cant come... hey, we are meeting in the afternoon, not morning, so ifyoure not too tired after your rehearsal you can come join us. Wink


makrawl
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Jul 20, 2003, 9:26 AM


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Re: [luckey] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

i'll try, but if i come, i will not bring my dogs as i don't think it is a good idea to speed home (from Jalan Gasing to shah alam) stuff them into my car and speed back to Jalan Gasing.

i do wish to meet u as we always chat online but never meet before.

by the way, i wonder how's Soh Chong Meng now?? i heard he had started a new job and he is very busy now.


(This post was edited by makrawl on Jul 20, 2003, 9:28 AM)


luckey
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Jul 20, 2003, 9:32 AM


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Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

would be great to meet you. Hey who is soh chong meng? Is that someone from puppy.com.my? Am so bad with names, i tend to remember the nicks only !


makrawl
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Jul 20, 2003, 9:41 AM


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Re: [luckey] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

soh chong meng's nick is Chongmeng_soh and he also own a pair of cocker. don't u remember? he tried to mate his cocker but eneded up "screwed" by that Sandybum leh!

by the way, what time is the gathering again?? i'll definately recognise your dog and from that, i should know who u are. u can see my monster face at the photo gallery under Mr Khoo's account. :)


luckey
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Jul 21, 2003, 5:28 PM


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Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

guess you didnt make it? are you going to the nxt gathering on the 3rd? well must catch up with u then Wink


snowflake
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Jul 22, 2003, 11:00 PM


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Re: [quinalona] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi quinalona,

No matter puppy or adult, we shouldnt done this to them. It's hurt, really hurt. Actually they r cacat if we done this to them. Someone at USA cut their tongue into 2(like snake tongue) n they think it's beauty, how if they done this to baby? So i think if reayy want to ban then ban it totally, jz my personal opinion, no hard feelingSmile




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quinalona
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Jul 23, 2003, 1:32 AM


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Re: [ymon] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

hi ymon! as arthur and i have agreed earlier, tail docking and ear cropping actually served a purpose once. and like you said, floppy ears and long tails did do more harm than good to working dogs who had to get "dirty" on the job. this was acceptable then because they served a purpose. today, it is just a barbaric tradition practiced for vanity's sake.

take for instance, spaying/neutering. you wouldn't want to be castrated by your human, would you? but it does serve a purpose for now. it prevents unwanted pregnancies. in the future, when some brilliant trainer invents a successful training program that teaches your dog not to "howl at the full moon" at that time of "urgency", i'm pretty sure, those people in the future would also deem spaying/neutering a cruel act.

it's all a matter of perspective really. and we are all entitled to our opinion. but on a firm note, declawing and devocalization is inexcusable and cruel and there is no point of view that can ever justify that.


makrawl
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Jul 24, 2003, 12:48 AM


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Re: [luckey] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

u know what? i was talking on the phone while i reached padang merbuk at 5++pm. i think i saw u with luckey hopping down from the car as luckey is so easy to be spotted out from the croud. the moment i finish my talk, i lost u and luckey! i was so angry with myself for being so "long winded" on the phone. u were wearing white T, blue track bottom and a cap right?

argghh....... what to do..........


sweeeng
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Jul 24, 2003, 12:56 AM


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Re: [snowflake] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

In USA they really cut their tongue into 2?? Yucks! How can they even think of that. How is the dog suppose to eat and drink??

Regards,
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fuolornis
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Jul 24, 2003, 3:10 AM


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Re: [sweeeng] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

I own a boxer..
my small girl tails have been docked when she was only a wekk old..
actualy, i think that if this tail docking thingy is done by a professional: doctor..then it is okay...
but i'm not sure if they use anasthetic when performing the docking...

however, my parents do not have any intention to crop her ear...
i have seen many dogs who contracted infection due to improper handling...

swee eng, remember the news bout some guy who cut his tongue into half...that is really gross..
it really freak me out if this procedure is done on dogs...






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icezcream
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Jul 24, 2003, 6:58 AM


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Re: [sweeeng] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

not the dog!! a guy did it and it became a trend in US...

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sweeeng
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Jul 24, 2003, 5:28 PM


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Re: [icezcream] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

My goodness.... that's even worst!!! YuckS!!!

REgards,
swee Eng


NikE
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Jul 24, 2003, 7:14 PM


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Re: [sweeeng] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi swee eng,

I think u have to read more 'Pa-Gua' news loh, hehe



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luckey
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Jul 25, 2003, 6:51 AM


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Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

no i du think you saw us... we arrived at 3pm and were mucking about onthe agility equipment... i think i was wearing a yellow t. hey next time just look out for most beautiful cocker lah and you will find us Laugh hehe (kidding)


makrawl
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Jul 25, 2003, 5:26 PM


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Re: [luckey] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

oh? really? so i guess my eyes is getting worse following my agelah! Laugh

anyway, that was really "sayang" to miss the chance. i'll try the 3 August gathering then. but i couldn't stay long as i must leave before 10am. so i don't think i'll "makan minum dan borak lama-lama" there.


luckey
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Jul 26, 2003, 10:17 AM


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Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

oh shame... why u have orchastra practice that morning?


makrawl
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Jul 26, 2003, 10:30 AM


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Re: [luckey] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

becouse that's the only time that all the members and the director is free. and we are preparing for the year end concert. really working hard on that as we don't want ppl to throw spoiled eggs to us after every song we play.Laugh but if i don't come to the gathering, i'm afraid u might throw spoiled eggs to me too the next time u see me.Sly before this happens, better i throw spoiled eggs to myself loh!SlyLaugh

maybe another future gathering that doesn't fall on Sunday........................


Riccaval
ALPHA


Jul 27, 2003, 5:49 AM


Views: 24082
Re:[All] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi all, in the latest copy of the local magazine there is an article on the above issue contributed by a local writer.

His argument is against the ban and gives interesting points to support his case.Cool


boon
Doggyman


Jul 27, 2003, 9:38 AM


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Re: [Riccaval] Re:[All] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi Derrick,

Any chance for us to see it online or a scan copy over here ?Blush

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


luckey
ALPHA


Jul 28, 2003, 3:15 AM


Views: 24065
Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

willu be going to the selayang mall sho in august? if you r, see u there!


Riccaval
ALPHA


Jul 28, 2003, 7:18 PM


Views: 24053
Re: [boon] Re:[All] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Frownsorry boon I don't have the facility. maybe some other members who have the mag. can do so. Or come to worst .go get the mag. only rm6.Tongue


boon
Doggyman


Jul 28, 2003, 7:20 PM


Views: 24051
Re: [Riccaval] Re:[All] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi Derrick,

No problem. Ok will get one copy soon.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


makrawl
Canine Addict


Aug 1, 2003, 5:41 PM


Views: 24039
Re: [luckey] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

err........ i'm not very alert about what's going on around me sometimes. Selayang Mall show? when is that? i think i'm turning into a working maniac slowly these days.


rottie
Dog Kichi


Aug 9, 2003, 12:11 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hello all dog lovers,

Pls click the following link to read some good info about tale docking...
www.cdb.org/index.htm

Cheers... from rottie


rottie
Dog Kichi


Aug 9, 2003, 12:18 AM


Views: 24026
Re: [drew] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

In my opinion, tail docking is acceptable for several reasoned. Pls click the following to read more about tail docking information from the councils of docked breed. Tongue

http://www.cdb.org/index.htm

Cheers... from rottie


rottie
Dog Kichi


Aug 9, 2003, 12:23 AM


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Re: [rottie] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

or may be i just quote the important point from the site...
Whe are Dog's Tailed Docked?
1) To avoid tail damage
2) For reasons of hygiene
3) To maintain breed standards
To read more, pls click the link that i posted earlier.
Wink

Cheers... from rottie


rottie
Dog Kichi


Aug 9, 2003, 12:41 AM


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Re: [yumiko_masaki] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

I dun know much about ear cropping. I would say we should get a little bit educated abt it.
But either tail docking or ear cropping, it should not be banned and it should be keep as an optional choice by a buyer. Of course, it should be carry out by a experience breeder or vet.

Another quote:
Is docking cruel?
Docking is carried out when puppies are tiny. Their eyes are not yet open and long experience indicates that carried out correctly, the procedure causes no pain or discomfort. Indeed, some puppies which are docked whilst they are asleep, do not even wake up. After docking, puppies will immediately return to their dam to feed, and there is no evidence that development or weight gain is in any way arrested by the docking procedure.

Nor does a dog which has been docked as a puppy have any problems with balance or communication.

If, however, tail damage occurs during adulthood and docking has to be carried out for therapeutic reasons, normally under anaesthetic, a dog can be seriously distressed and the healing process can be painful and protracted.

Smile

Cheers... from rottie


Xana
Dog Kichi


Aug 13, 2003, 11:31 AM


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Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Can anybody of you REALLY imagine your schnauzer, dobermann, english cocker, boxer.... uncropped and UNDOCKED? Undocked dogs looks mainly ugly. I have seen many. Now I will write about schnauzers because I am interested in them.
I am from Europe and I show my dogs very very often. Maybe you know that this year were allowed to enter ONLY undocked and uncropped dogs to World Dog Show in Dortmund (Germany) . It was unfair indeed. I have been there to watch only (because my schnauzers are uncropped but docked...) and I was quite disapointed. OK, some dogs minies were nice BUT THAT GIANTS - HORRIBLE! Giant schnauzer with natural tail and ears looks like bearded labrador. I don't like these lab-giants, sorry. They misses their alert expression.
Schnauzer is very old breed which has been bred for exact reasons - for guarding houses, rattling. When they fought with rats their ears were in danger. So their owners-breeders started do crop them (it is similar with docking). OK, you can say that they don't hunt rats now. But there is some traditional image of schnauzer (which was formulated in Breed Standard) and that describes schnauzer's appareance. The problem is that schnauzer's country of origin is Germany and there is not allowed docking (since '97 I guess) and cropping (since '87 I guess) - so Germans could change FCI standard of schnauzer - it sais now that "tail and ears are natural". But AKC standard speaks only about cropped and docked schnauzers.

We imported with my friend giant p/s from USA - and he is certainly cropped and docked. And my friend has puppy from her breeding which is natural. Well, it is strange world and dhe has the both varieties in the same time - they looks SO DIFERENT....

So: I think that cropping and docking should be volonteer. In all cases - cropped and docked dog looks more alert, shorter in body and more ellegant.


quinalona
Dog Kichi


Aug 13, 2003, 7:03 PM


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Re: [Xana] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hi Xana. Believe me when I say I agree with you that tail docking and ear cropping should not be banned PROVIDED that it is carried out by a qualified professional in the most humane and painless manner possible. Everyone should have a choice. However, it would be rather superficial to crop and dock only for cosmetic purposes. It would be nice if people actually understood that the benefits of cropping and docking go beyond physical beauty. Maybe that way, this procedure wouldn't seem so cruel. After all, can looking out for the welfare of your pet ever be considered as barbaric?


jaz
Ultra ALPHA


Aug 13, 2003, 7:19 PM


Views: 24010
Re: [makrawl] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

It's this Sunday - 17th August 2003 at Selayang Mall...

See you there kay? Smile


Xana
Dog Kichi


Aug 14, 2003, 1:15 AM


Views: 24006
Re: [quinalona] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

It is very difficult to judge if it is "cruel". If person who dock and crop is professional it is OK. Puppy docked in 3 days of age cry a second and soon all is OK again. One stich is enough.

Ears are of course problematic but I can tell you story of my own dog. My giant is not cropped - we didn't want to torture her. BUT - her ears are very strong cartilage and her ears don't stay /or lay/ in good poise. It shouldn't be so horrible if she wouldn't have big problems with her cartilage. .She had hole in the point where it is natural bent. We were at veterinary many mamy times - it ached her and we paied a lot of money for heeling. Then she had to go to ottoplasty... Poor dog. If I should have dog with this kind of ear cartilage again. I would crop him/her....


quinalona
Dog Kichi


Aug 14, 2003, 3:22 AM


Views: 24004
Re: [Xana] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

based on my understanding of human behavior, people tend to deem an act cruel if it inflicts pain on another living creature, but it is not cruel if it serves a specific purpose. in that sense, the practice is justified, and painful as that may be, it is not considered cruel by the norm. humans..go figure! i guess this is why i love doggies. it's a lot less complicated relationship.


Xana
Dog Kichi


Aug 14, 2003, 6:08 AM


Views: 24003
Re: [quinalona] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Generalization makes everytime thinks and processes as easy as they never are in reality. Somebody wants to be cruel but the most people not.

DOgs were bred for some purpse althought some of them are not used for it today. There is a type formulated in standard. And standard is something like law. We must follow it. If docking or cropping is banned by law, we must accept it. If no, we can choose. And the right to choose and decide is the biggest right in general. We, who lived in country controlled by totality comunist regime, can feel it very strong.


Xana
Dog Kichi


Aug 14, 2003, 6:10 AM


Views: 24002
Re: [quinalona] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Nothing in the world is black or white.


quinalona
Dog Kichi


Aug 14, 2003, 10:10 PM


Views: 23998
Re: [Xana] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia


In Reply To
Nothing in the world is black or white.



i agree with you that nothing is black or white. that is why i believe that docking and cropping should not be banned. there is so much gray distorting what is right and wrong that the only way to cope with all of this is the flexibility of change. law is law. no one is above it. but even laws can be changed.


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Aug 14, 2003, 11:49 PM


Views: 23996
Re: [quinalona,Xana] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

been reading your views on ear cropping and tail docking. very well said Smile .
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RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Sep 17, 2003, 4:01 AM


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Re: [quinalona,ALL] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

I agree with u. Tail docking and ear cropping should be allowed, if it's done by a certified/professional vet. But as for declawing and devocalizing...that's plain cruel.

As for the docked tails,read somewhere..for some breeds, the tails are cropped so that the fur does not get tangled in the bush while hunting/tracking and so that they do not break their tail. For bigger working dogs, it's to let the tax collector know that the dog is a working dog, and no/less tax should be charged(in germany, not sure abt the rest of the world) and also so that they don't break it.

As for ear cropping..read that it's so that it doesn't get injured. For example, great danes..when they hunt wild boar or pitbulls while fighting.
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sslee80
ALPHA


Sep 18, 2003, 11:24 PM


Views: 23931
Re: [ALL] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

hi all,

I'm 101% supporting tail docking and ear cropping should not be banned.

I have just recently sent my dane for ear cropping. I feel that one must have the time, effort, and patience to go through the whole process to ensure that it is done properly. (I mean, we expect the ears would eventually stand up straight) This is not an easy task, especially sending your pup for dressing ON TIME to make sure that the ears are ok(no infection), to cage your pup for at least a month instead of letting it mix with other dogs(I have an older one) because once they play together, the pup may get injured (ears),.....etc. These are my experiences on ear cropping. I am supporting this because after the cropping, the pup does look smart and alert. Smile

Besides that, getting it done by an experienced vet is a must. You won't want to see your pup with funny looking ears. right??? (like a bat)Sly

Have a Great Day.

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koochey_koo
New User


Sep 21, 2003, 5:35 PM


Views: 23921
Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Yep. I think they should be banned. It's an inhumane way to be treating our beloved pets. It's just utterly cruel and unusual for us to be ship-shaping them by cutting off their tails and ears. I do believe it's painful and that we should love em for how they look like. Cheers. Wink


doberman
ALPHA


Nov 18, 2003, 1:03 AM


Views: 23862
Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

should be banned!



Henry from Penang
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liswarhol
ALPHA


Nov 27, 2003, 8:49 PM


Views: 40188
Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Smilehello…

to me tail docking and ear cropping should be banned from the beginning. this is more of the society's choice and not the dogs…think RSPCA doing a good job campaigning on these issues.

so many dogs suffered going through these so called meet the standard and beautifying surgeries. vets should also inform and make clear (be honest) to customers.

animals and dog welfare here should put their feet into these issues too.





Smile
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goldilock
Enthusiast


Aug 22, 2004, 5:08 PM


Views: 39843
Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

yes for both

i love to see dogs with their natural look

plz no tail docking it's very painful to them Frown


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goldilock
Enthusiast


Aug 22, 2004, 5:16 PM


Views: 39843
Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Cropping ears and docking tails is not a proof of love!



Ear cropping isn't being taught in most of the veterinary colleges. The majority of those vets who do crop do a horrible job! They seem to know three patterns: small, medium, and large. Far worse are those puppy mill owners who just whack off ears and tails on baby puppies. These results fill pet shops!

Refuse buying a dog with cropped ears and docked tail!



Other countries can't be wrong to outlaw ear cropping and tail docking. How much longer will it take to be illegal in Indonesia? Some of us may not live long enough to see that day, to rewrite breed standards, to breed dogs with complete, elegant headpieces that do not require defacement to win trophies - or to bring higher sale prices.

more at http://www.doggiesparadise.com/earcropping.shtml


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ruby_sushi
Member


Nov 19, 2004, 6:23 PM


Views: 39704
Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Yes...pls ban it for both . My poor Sushi's tail kena docked too b4 I bought her. I can imagine the pain my lil Sushi suffered from there.

What is the standard of beauty? with the tail docking and ear cropping? Oh no.....it's the natural beauty.!!

Ruby & Sushi
Dogs Lover


osmpam
Novice


Feb 14, 2005, 12:21 AM


Views: 39365
Re: [quinalona] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

ear cropping definitely does not help in the doggy's hearing, not until someone on earth can produce a scientifically proven report on it. ;)



cheers..
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cute_doggy7
Dog Kichi

Feb 14, 2005, 3:14 AM


Views: 39360
Re: [osmpam] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

can i pls know what is ear cropping and tail docking?
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ladee_m
Doggyman


Jun 6, 2005, 5:34 AM


Views: 39156
Re: [ruby_sushi] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Ello

Taking my stand on the fact we shud not try to alter what God as created... unless in unavoidable situation such as accidents & health problems...

My Ladee & Ruyi also had their tails docked by breeders as pups... must admit though, if they have had the original lenght, donno how they look like. .. Crazy


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PSY
K9 Kaki


Jun 11, 2005, 7:25 AM


Views: 39142
Re: [ladee_m] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Cropping of ears and docking of tails: For Dobermans, god has nothing to do with it as it was a man made dog and beside the first one seen in England had cropped ears and docked tail. It took a man years to perfect a specific dog and now some so call dog lover comes along and say no to all this is just paln ludicrous.

As for reasons, at three days old the pup would not know what has happened to it's tail. I have tied a litter of Weimers for a friend on the third day and by the fifth day the tails have already healed. For ears, I know for a fact that there are no if not hardly feelings in them as I have dug my finger nails into my pup fairly hard and it did not even move if it did I would not have cropped it's ears and beside it only takes about seven to ten days for it to heal. The discomfort is only when one needs to bind it up but they do get use to it after a while so in short it does not matter. Please note pain and discomfort is two different thing and beside I am only referring to Dobermans and not Boxers and Danes.

Since on the subject, DEVOCALISING, blame the owner who has no incling the breed of dogs he or she is buying as all toy and terriers and rush dogs bark alot at nothing because they are bred to do that eg, Cocker, Beagle.

Gundogs, Retriever type dogs do not bark all the time, at the end of the day is does one know what one is getting, besides if you cannot teach your dog when and when not to bark, your training systems "sucks".

Hence I do support the Cropping of Ears and Docking of tails for Dobermans only and Docking of tails for most pointers type dogs.


Sydney
Doggyman


Jun 11, 2005, 11:48 PM


Views: 39136
Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

I dont want to see or feel the dogs get hurt or being tortured. I just want them to be themselves

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potter
Member


Feb 9, 2007, 1:36 PM


Views: 38543
Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

It should be banned. There is no reason for pain and cruelty for cosmetic purposes or should I say for human pleasure/viewing. I love yorkies with long tails and got no problem with it.
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sbt
Enthusiast


Feb 21, 2007, 9:34 AM


Views: 38533
Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Yes, an old issue. But it should be ban.

Human come out with lots of rationalization to continued this cruelty to animals.

To conformed to whose standard of aesthetic appearance?

In fact if we see a dog without tail we should think that is unnatural not the other way round. Vets should counsels again it and not thinking of making money only. The tails has many functions, go read up and you will find.
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myzanordin
ALPHA


Jul 3, 2007, 8:50 PM


Views: 38214
Re: [yumiko_masaki] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

Hai,

From your pic, I think you have a min pin there? I have 2, one boy and a girl. Its quite hard to find one with min pin. Even during my dog training, my boy is the only min pin around among hundreds of student.

Would like to get to know min. pin owner and hopefully have one min. pin club...What do you think?


JuStiN'doGgIe
Canine Addict

Nov 2, 2007, 2:15 AM


Views: 35357
Re: [Khoobg] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia

YES! definitely should be banned.


Vic Tea
Enthusiast


Aug 10, 2008, 6:32 AM


Views: 30027
Re: [snowflake] In your opinion, should Tail Docking and Ear Cropping in dog be ban in Malaysia






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