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my47500
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Jan 8, 2003, 5:06 AM

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hello! i m new here, just got to know this great place while surfin' the net.

i hv 1 GSD and lots of fishes! Smile

caroltan5762
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Jan 8, 2003, 6:20 AM

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hello,i am new to this place too, but i aready find it interesting.Nice to met you,I am carol Cool

Khoobg
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Jan 8, 2003, 6:43 AM

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Hi,

Welcome to the forum. Since you are also a fish lover, you may want to visit our other forums at www.koi.com.my/cgi-bin/koiforum/gforum.cgi

Cheers

Dog Obedience and Agility - http://www.puppy.com.my/ob/
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luckey
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Jan 8, 2003, 8:32 AM

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Hey webmaster khoo

since you are a fish enthusiast as well, have you ever kept flower horn fish? Am thinking of getting one, but i havent had much luck keeping fish in the past, so i dont want to get one then ahve it die on me. I kept some tetra and then some goldfish, and they kept dying till i thought i wasnt destined to keep fish.

but i saw this flowerhorn the other day which kept saying "Take me home!" with eqach gurgle... they are reserving him for me... do u know if this breed of fish is easy to keep? (sorry to post in the dog forum, but in the koi forum i'm a bit lost).

boon
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Jan 8, 2003, 8:55 AM

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Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

stanley
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Jan 8, 2003, 4:47 PM

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hi...welcome to the forum...where are you from?

wkser
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Jan 8, 2003, 6:18 PM

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hi,

welcome to the forum.... Smile

regards
ser

lulugurl
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Jan 8, 2003, 6:27 PM

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helo~!

looking forward to knowing you better Smile

~Cherio~

Penang Lang? Click Here~!
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boon
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Jan 8, 2003, 8:08 PM

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Hi Khoo,

How come my reply to Jennifer MIA one. I wrote about 2, 3 paragraph. Since i do have few flower horn with me. Anyway to recover ? or must retype Unsure

luckey
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Jan 9, 2003, 3:40 AM

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HI Boon

Thanks for your reply... maybe coz this is a doggy forum and i shouldnt really be posting fish on it? You can send to my private email though. WOuld love to hear your views on the flower horn.

Thanks! :)

Khoobg
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Jan 9, 2003, 5:21 AM

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Hi Boon,

Your post become MIA ? I guess your new streamyx connection is having some problem lah. When the post become MIA, likely the information did not reach the server and hence it is not possible for me to recover.

Cheers

Dog Obedience and Agility - http://www.puppy.com.my/ob/
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(This post was edited by Khoobg on Jan 9, 2003, 7:34 AM)

Khoobg
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Jan 9, 2003, 5:28 AM

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Hi Jenn,

It is definitely not difficult to keep fish a live in an aquarium.As long as you are able to keep your water is good condition, your fish will know how to take care of themselves. Unlike human and dog, fish live in an environment that is continuous polluted by the own waste. These waste consist ammonia which is extremely toxic to the fish. As long as you have a powerful filter to allow colonization of bacteria, your filter should be able to convert these ammonia to nitrite and then to nitrate which is much less toxic to the fish. Nitrate value can be reduced by weekly partial water change.

I guess if you need further help, you can visit the fish forum at http://www.pets2u.com.my/aqua/

Cheers

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luckey
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Jan 9, 2003, 7:17 AM

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thanks for the help! i will check out the fish site. Smile

boon
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Jan 9, 2003, 8:00 AM

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Hi Khoo,

Impossiblelah, i saw my replied to Jennifer last night, but how come this morning MIA lio. May be u didn;t treat the server well and coz my post MIA. Tongue

Jennifer : I do have 3 flowerhorns with me, my uncle gave it to me about a year ago, since he has about 20 to 30 of them. Based on my experience, and what i had learnt so far, you need to keep the water fresh. So it must be change at least one a week. The ratio will be 25% to 35% of the tank. Do not change all the water at one go. Remember to put some anticlorene into the fresh water and as what Khoo mentioned, get a reasonable powerful filter will definately help.

Out of the 3 flowerhorns, one of them is about 1 ft in size and the forehead is real big or 'swallen'. Hahaha real beatiful, also don forget to monitor and maintain the water temperature like between 30 to 32c. You can use the aquarium light (the pink color one) to warm up the water and this will also help the pigmentation/coloring of the fish. The healthy flowerhorn, the color must be sharp and eye catching.

Do not feed small fishes for flowerhorns, this will eventually coz the body color become darker and it won't be that nice, so a small prawns/shrimps will do the job and also premium quality of fish kibble.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

(This post was edited by boon on Jan 9, 2003, 8:03 AM)

Khoobg
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Jan 9, 2003, 8:20 AM

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That sound interesting. Anyhow, I do not think that is possible. Anyway, have you got clearance from your company for your leave for meet on Jan 25 ?

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boon
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Jan 9, 2003, 4:17 PM

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Heheheh 24 Jan, Cleared. 27 still pending for approval.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

cyphang
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Jan 10, 2003, 12:29 AM

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I did a translation on a Flower Horn Directory once...in July. The translation was not that satisfactory (in my opinion), but I can let you have a look this coming gathering at Kota Kemuning. Then you can decide whether you want to buy the directory or not.
With warm regards,
CY Phang

Mummy of Sunnie, the happy, cheeky and naughty female shih tzu pup

wkser
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Jan 10, 2003, 12:35 AM

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hi jenn,

i have a pair of flower horn at home...they are very hardy fish to rare i can said........is fun to rare them since they will chnage color from day to day....

regards
ser

luckey
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Jan 10, 2003, 4:35 PM

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oh thanks cy... Smile

meaning the directory now in english?

luckey
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Jan 10, 2003, 4:37 PM

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HI Boon

Thanks for sharing your experiences on flower horns... sounds like yours are very beautiful. BUt is there a way to tell whether the small ones will grow into big beautiful ones? (coz the bogs ones quite expensive!) I saw this small one whose head was starting to "swell" but the fish guy told me that one could not tell how big the forehead would get when the fish grew up. Also, is the color due to what you feed the fish, or due to genes?

luckey
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Jan 10, 2003, 4:39 PM

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hmm sounds like they are fun! are they expensive to keep (the maintenenace of tank, the food, etc?) We just set up house so we're abit "broke" adjusting to all the new bills, so wondering if a flowerhorn fish will add to our expenses?

wkser
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Jan 10, 2003, 6:30 PM

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hi jenn,

morning..... flower horn is very easy and it won't cost much to rare them....just maybe the fish food will cost abit but not that expensive.....sometime you just spend a ringgit or two to get some prawn for them to eat that you get from the fish shop....if you wan their color to change to red you can get some special fish food for them and also for their head to grow.........if you have one pair you need to divide the aquarium in to two protion then you will see them challenge each other then their color will turn real red........ Wink

regards
kangser

boon
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Jan 10, 2003, 10:06 PM

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Hi Jennifer.

Hahha thanz for the kind words Cool

. KangSer is right, it won't cost you much to rare a few. OK from what i know the structure and online of an adult fish will only be able to see and show after 3 to 6 months. And bare in mind that even the forehead is growing by then, this doesn means that the forehead will continue growing and worse it will shrink. Yeap no kidding, i saw this happened many time in my friend's place, initially the bought the fish with beatiful coloring and full of pearl spots, but after a while (may be within a week) the color became lighter/fair and the spots MIA.

Actually u can have a injection into the fish to force the forehead, but the fish won't be able to last long, meaning the life time of the fish is at most 2 to 3 years. For a normal flower horns they can live to about 8 to 10 years. I personally not recommend to use the medicine to force the coloring and the fish's forehead.

OK for coloring, u can get the fish kibble called 'Poh Chen Hong' or direct tranalsation to english will be 'Warranty Red'. This will cost u a bit but trust me, is not even 1 or 2 % of what luckey and brinkley cost u Tongue

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Do u have any idea how much the bogs one will cost u in KL ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

cyphang
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Jan 10, 2003, 10:33 PM

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The directory is written in all three languages. I translated the English part from Mandarin.
With warm regards,
CY Phang

Mummy of Sunnie, the happy, cheeky and naughty female shih tzu pup

cyphang
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Jan 10, 2003, 10:37 PM

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The Flower Horn is a territorial and solitary fish, meaning it's not recommended to keep more than 1 fish in an aquarium because they will fight until the fittest wins.
With warm regards,
CY Phang

Mummy of Sunnie, the happy, cheeky and naughty female shih tzu pup

luckey
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Jan 11, 2003, 9:13 AM

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When you say the fish won't cost us 1-2% of what our doggies cost us, do you mean price of fish or upkeep? Seems like flowerhorn are quite expensive... saw one small one (but very cute) for RM580. I guess in fishfood it will be less than the dogs, but what about the chemicals and the water chages - do you have someone service your tank or you do all water changes yourself? hehe as youve prob worked out by now, i am a complete amateur fishkeeper!

but if young fish may look good young, but lose their forehead and pearls when they grow up, how can you be sure you are buying a quality one? (coz very expensive to buy full grown big forhead red one).

boon
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Jan 11, 2003, 10:04 PM

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Hi Jennifer,

Yeap the cost is the upkeep/maintenance. Now a days, flowerhorns are very cheap in Penang. For those that from the beatiful parents and potentially will be a beatiful fish will cost you not more than RM 250.

The medicine/anti-clorene is at the very minimal cost. The only thing that trouble me the most is changing water weekly and i do it myself. I'm not aware that is there a service to hire some worker to come to your house to change the water for you. If yes, I don feel comfortable ans safe, due to the carelessness and in-experience of the worker may be. I'm sure that after all the hardwork for maintenance the fish, you simply don't want it to be out of water due to careless or lazyness right ? Wink

A reasonable powerful water filtering system will help a lot. A normal tank size for an adult flowerhorns will be at least 3 by 1.5 feets.

So do you plan to get one soon ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

luckey
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Jan 13, 2003, 8:47 AM

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Thanks for all your advice and help, Boon. Think I might wait awhile before I get one... I might not have the time at the moment to care for it myself (changing water etc) and I could do without spending extra cash at the mo Crazy

didnt expect bills to be so high moving into our own house. Think we'll settle down first then think about it at a later date. Appreciate your help though!

boon
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Jan 13, 2003, 10:25 AM

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Hi Jennifer,

Welcome, ahahaha, owning a bungalow lot in Bangsar is not easy ah...

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

strawhoney
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Jan 13, 2003, 5:35 PM

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heyhey,

Perhaps you could try 'oscar tiger'..they are strong fish and the only requirement you need to keep them healthy and alive is to adjust the temperature...like around 75-80...I have a pair of em and they are very very aggresive and whenever I lift the top open,they gonna swim to me!!! Cool

Usually,they love to dig....i would really love to decorate my aquarium...a friend suggested a big rock (make sure that you boil it before putting inside the tank) so that they have more place to hide...hehe

They only require one time of feeding per day...and the question "how big can they get?" this was the question I asked the seller...like 12 to 14 inches!!!..so a big tank gonna do em good...

wish you best of luck..... Wink

Meme

odie moves MY world!

luckey
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Jan 14, 2003, 6:27 AM

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hahaha... no you're right... its not! trying to cut expenses elsewhere so we have more to indulge our pets and our hobbies. and never knew dog food costs so much either... canned food can get quite ex too... but our dogs can't just eat kibble coz then they dont eat enough to grow fast.

luckey
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Jan 14, 2003, 6:29 AM

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hi strawhoney

we kept oscars int he past, but they were too aggressive and we gave them back to the fish shop coz they were attacking each other and also the other fish. It was like watching constant sparring in the tank.

Think I'll wait and maybe at some later date get a luohan if time is right.

boon
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Jan 14, 2003, 8:54 AM

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Hi Jennifer,

Ah..OK, Good idea, cut some other expenses to indulge your pets. hahah but don spoil them OK. Wink

. By the way, what brand of kibble/canned food u use to feed Luckey and Brinkley ?

By the way, is not a good idea to 'force' Brinkley to growth too fast, eventually the fast growing in the puppy age will caused HD and joint problem. Supplements is a big NO NO for large breed puppies. For a small breed is OK, but for lab and golden, only give after they reach the year of 2. I got this message from one of the lab forum in the states. They didn't give any supplements, even for coat until the pup is fully growth.

In lay man term, if the bones for a large breed puppy force to grow too fast, the 'compactness/density' of the bones will be reduced.

Hope this help.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

(This post was edited by boon on Jan 14, 2003, 8:56 AM)

mackmack
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Jan 14, 2003, 10:39 AM

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I kept 2 oscar tiger before, it was my FIRST time to own an aquarium with FISHES inside it Tongue

But they only last for 2-3 weeks. Arh.... inexperience at all but they look nice. Now i have 2 gold fishes, big-S and small-S Wink

inexpensive and hassle-free to keep. I'm not very into fish but heard that once you keep, you have to replace those died in the aquarium. true?

--I have Howling Bean and Lazy Mack.--

strawhoney
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Jan 14, 2003, 5:36 PM

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ello,

I dunno about replacing the fishy....maybe just a superstition kinda thing....hehe...but i heard that we must keep in odd numbers lor....dunno why ler..maybe 4 is no good? Tongue

According to the seller,he told me that this kind of fish can really live long..of course with proper care and good temperature control....They are great fish!!!!just have to bkful so that they won't get stuck at the 'luen goon' (the heat place)..if not,fried fish lar...hehehe....they are swimming happily now and I bought some worms for them today....they love meat...I think they are somehow related to piranha or maybe piranha ancestors... Tongue

My dad keeps some fishy at home...I dunno why type...gagaga... Angelic

I love to see some living creatures in the hse...hehe..
Meme

odie moves MY world!

strawhoney
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Jan 14, 2003, 5:45 PM

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yeah,they certainly rival each other... Unimpressed

but it's weird that they both always stay together in the same spot..hehe..I think that's their 'see tarp'..hahaaha... Tongue

I always see one of them doing his biz there..hehe

I think Luohan is very popular in Malaysia now right?are they called 'Ro Han' too?it's about 150 bucks ere...issit the one with flower spots on their body?I seen one today..it's a beautiful fish!It's like tatoo..

ciao
Meme

odie moves MY world!

boon
Doggyman

Jan 14, 2003, 6:11 PM

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Hi StrawHoney,

Is also known as Flower Horn. U can search from the internet.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

luckey
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Jan 16, 2003, 9:05 AM

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hi boon

thanks for the advice... yeah my vet told us the same thing as well. I had started giving them "Teeth & Bones" manufatured by Seven Seas, coz petshop recommended it and it said on the label it was good for puppies and old dogs. Also coz i have started jumping them, so wanted them to have strong bones. But the vet said it was better not to give them anything for bones (although vit b etc is fine) coz if bones grow faster than tissue and muscle, it will cause problems.

For food, we give First Choice kibble, and Pedigree puppy canned food. As well as the puppy milk.

luckey
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Jan 16, 2003, 9:18 AM

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i think they were even more popular before... i just suddenly became interested coz i saw this particularly one at an exhibition which i fell in love with. I could even spot a 4 D number, but i missed first prize by 1 numebr only, can you imagine! !!! obvisouly the fish didnt want to B bought by me!

strawhoney
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Jan 16, 2003, 9:24 AM

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hahahaha....maybe you din inspect more clearly..'sayang' la to miss first prize...if not,sure 'gor fei lin'...hehehe..maybe the fish will appear in your dream again and give you another 4 numbers?

Old ppl once told me that if you dream bout fish,it's a good omen....and snakes too..dreaming about white snake is a bad indication tho...it means you have 'siu yun'!you guys,bkful...if white snake,go and 'dar siu yun'!!!!!!hehe...lol...
Meme

odie moves MY world!