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Jun 27, 2001, 9:33 AM

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I bought a 2 months old red female miniature pinscher 2 weeks ago unfortunately she died 1 week after purchased from pet shop somewhere in PJ. The vet doctor suspected that she was attacked by virus which believe that it should be canine distemper disease.
The vacination record given by the pet shop's owner seems to be not a genuine one because it was only signed by a doctor with no proper doctor's name or clinic info.
I'm affraid to buy any puppies from Pet shops anymore, can some tell me how can get the breeder's info?

Anonymous
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Jun 28, 2001, 10:21 PM

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Hi Dave,

I suffered the same fate as yours when I purchased a puppy from Pet Shop at down town KL Petaling Street.

The puppy suffer severe Kennel Cough within 10 days after bringing puppy home. Admitted to animal hospital and tested positive for Canine Distemper. Treated with Human antibodies for more than 10 days without any improvement and the puppy was finally put to sleep.

While the pet shop was able to produce the vaccination record card but the card come with only signature without any vet clinic information and rubber stamp. Clearly it was the act of irresponsible pet shop or breeder who either did not vaccinate the puppy and simply try to vaccinate using poor quality vaccine or expired vaccine or demaged vaccine.

The pets shop is very congested and there is also high chance that distemper spread in the pet shop and those puppies without proper defend will suffer without doubt.

My advice is never buy puppies from pet shop :)

Anonymous
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Jun 29, 2001, 10:31 PM

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Hi Dave and Dan

Just to add that Petshops mark up price of pups significantly. The pups sold are also of poor quality...not up to breed standards 'coz these are the left-overs from breeders.

Best to read the papers...Star's Classifieds has good list of breeders' adverts under PETS.

Personal experience..bought a Beagle from shop in PJ above RM2,000.00 (first time buying pedigree). Found out later breeders selling at only RM1,600 - RM1,800. My beagle is also not of breed standard. It was even mistaken by other beagle owners for a Basset Hound!!!

Lesson learned....research first then buy.

Anonymous
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Jun 30, 2001, 9:11 AM

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With all young puppies placed at close proximity in the Pets Shop is definitely killing. All puppies come from different location possibly carrying different type diseases meet at the Pet Shop.

Anonymous
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Jun 30, 2001, 10:38 AM

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Some Pets shop will say that their puppies has been viccinated once. Will one vaccination is good enoungh to protect the puppies against those killing diseases ?

Anonymous
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Jul 1, 2001, 12:46 PM

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No..you should check with the vet. My dogs had three visits to the vet to get complete vaccination.

Anonymous
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Jul 3, 2001, 8:46 PM

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Obviously those puppies on sale with only one vaccination is definitely prone to be infected with contagious diseases. The situation is more serious in Pet shop that has a lot of puppies in very congested area. This is where the trouble start.

laikamyee
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May 3, 2002, 11:16 PM

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Hi, just read your message! Actually am looking for a puppy, if not those pets shops in our town where else can we purchase? I am new, an amatuer but surely concern of what we are getting.

Please let me know. Thanks with best regards.

Lai Kam Yee ( kylai@qes-hw.com )

delithra
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May 6, 2002, 2:32 AM

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Hi Laikamyee,

Whatever you do, avoid pet shops in the petaling street area. My hubby and I bought a pup there for RM 1300.00 and we had to put it to sleep 3 weeks later because it had caught the canine distemper virus while in the shop ( most probably).

The best one can do is to get a dog from a breeder. u can call MKA and ask them for the names and contact numbers of breeders who are having litters soon (depending on the type of pedigree u want).

Some breeders give you guarantees against hereditary diseases. ( i dont know about show disqualification guarantees), but it all depends on what you want your dog for.

I would never get a pup from a pet store anymore, because some fatal diseases are air borne ( like the flu virus), and some, like the parvovirus ( which is fatal for young puppies) can live for months on surface areas ( i read on one website the virus can live for years!). So if one puppy had it, you can bet the others have been exposed to teh same virus. I doubt that these pet shops wash their areas with chlorox at all.

Find a dog which has received its vaccination. Most breeders will do that at 6 weeks or so. A responsible breeder will keep his dogs for a few more days, or a week to observe the pup, as their tempreature goes up, and there can be side effects after the vaccination. And it would be stressful for the pup to change hands at that time.

Im not an expert at all, like some of the ppl yuo will come across here, but i had a tough first lesson to learn, and i dont' want anyone else to go through such heartbreak as watching a young puppy suffer.

so good luck to you, and remember to stay away from the pet shops !

best regrds

deli Smile

ginl
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May 6, 2002, 4:53 AM

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Did the pet shop do anything about the puppy they sold u? Like a refund of some sort?

laikamyee
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May 6, 2002, 5:04 PM

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Hi Deli,

So sweet of you on all those advices. Hopefully I don't have to go through those experiences you had.

I will try to contact MKA. Are they so kind to tell you the contacts of the breeders? Actually, I am looking for a Doberman or German Pointer puppies but it seems hard to find in Malaysia. I remember those days, Doberman was one of the famous breed in Malaysia but why not these days? Is it because the temperament of the dogs have changed or having some bad history? Everywhere I see Rotweiler, no doubt very handsome but he looks too fierce for a newcomer ( like me ) to handle and further more my kids are still very young. Maybe you can advise me.

Thanks again for your previous mail.

Thanks with best regards,

Lai Kam Yee (Mr), PJ

cdmoo
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May 7, 2002, 1:49 AM

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How old are ur kids?
It looks like you do favour big dogs with short coat..Why not Labrador ?

Smile

regards,

CD Moo

delithra
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May 7, 2002, 2:46 AM

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Hey ginl,

No I didnt go back for a refund. (Petaling Street you know, I scared of parang wielding gangsters, even my taekwondo wont help me!! Crazy

) Besides the vet warned me about staring trouble with those folks in Pt Street too, so there is no one to blame but me Unsure

for being so ignorant and not researching BEFORE i bought the dog and not after!!

But they do allow a 24 hour exchange for another dog , which we didnt do, because our pup was vaccinated the day we bought it ( bad move) therefore when its blood was checked, the white blood cell count was high (which could be the result of the antibodies fighting the injected virus, or the antibodies fighting another virus)

in our case, it was the latter.

Sunday was a beautiful pup though Smile

and the joy she brought will forever be in our memories. She always sat on my feet when I was with her. But she also always bit my sisters ass when she bent down ! haha

Im looking forward to getting a golden or a lab from a breeder here, and since theyre very docile dogs, my hubby and I want a slighty more 'garang' 2nd dog ( once the first one is about 1 1/2 years old), and Im in love with the white shepards Wink

! hahaha

leopui
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May 7, 2002, 3:28 AM

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I am happy to learn that you have "study" through the White Shepherd breed and I am most willing to assist in everywhere I can.

However, based on your last post stated ... I want a slighty more 'garang' 2nd dog and Im in love with the white shepard! ... just like to remind you you that White Shepherd have being at least more than six generations genetic breeding to soften their temperament, which make them today ... an (almost) perfect companion dog. They can be a good watch dog but they are not good to be as guard dog like those who breed more onto performance.

There are currently two kennels in Germany that I know of, is working their way for Schutzhund title on their WS but not commonly can be found in USA, Canada & other Europe countries. In-fact, many of the WS breeder in Europe countries prefer to have their dog remain gentle ...
LEO PUI
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delithra
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May 7, 2002, 4:15 AM

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Thanks for the info Leo Smile

, but can a WS be as docile as a retriever? Ive seen the GSDs in the neighbourhood, and they actually bark at you when you walk by. However the retrievers just look and dont bother !! (in fact some wag their tails and come to the gate haha).

I actually want a dog that is standoffish and aloof (like the WS) with a soft temperant, easier to handle, since Im not very authorotative with dogs Unimpressed

, sayang them so much and they climb on my head and always get what they want! first i have to learn to be more 'garang' myself i think Wink

thats why i reaslie a GSD needs a strong leader. Maybe with a WS, I may be able to handle her better.

a question for you...the GSD is very versatile ( i.e they can be guard dogs, family companions, sniffer dogs etc ) hence they are very intelligent. Compared to a retriever, putting aside the temprement of the dogs, what is the difference in intelligence ? how do you determine intelligence (if there is a way?) I mean there are no IQ tests for dogs are there ?? Tongue

Breeders say that labs are smarter than goldens !! Frown

boo hoo!!

see ya!

delithra
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May 7, 2002, 4:23 AM

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Hi Mr Lai,

Wow! Blush

yorue asking me for advise ! Im very new to this too. I guess you have to decide what kind of dog you want, and whether the dog will meet your needs ( i.e watch dog, guard dog, family dog etc etc)

I read that certain dogs bind to the whole family and others bind to one person. And some dogs are not good with children!

Seems you want a guard dog from your choice. Maybe you should seek assistance from the experts like Leo Pui (on guard dogs - he will suggest the GSD haha Sly

) plus there are many postings on this site on all kinds of dog issues Smile

good luck and let us know how it all goes !

leopui
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May 7, 2002, 6:28 AM

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Toward your first paragraph ... Proper puppy socialization make good dog in time to come, WS can be friendly and they can be reserve too. Seven years with WS, I would say they make good WATCH dog ... they do bark and informed someone is coming ... and this include the regular visitor to your home (since they are not his/her owner).

To your second paragraph ... As mentioned, WS "were" breed to live as companion dog, MOST (check this out) of the WS are good temperament that you can easily handle them. Early Obedience is encourage!!!

Your third paragraph ... This is a tough "question"!!! I won't be able to tell you which breed is smarter. However, according to the reading I have learn before ... Border Collie is the smartest among the breed. The test was done based on 10 different lineage of each breed on Obedience Trial ... ended up GSD position at no 3 ... I couldn't remember off hand on other breed.

Labrador have being well known not only in hunting but they are also trained as detertor dog, eyes' seeing dog etc. With years of selection breeding programme, the breed have out-spoken for itself.

I am not familiar with Golden Retriver but I read from DogWorld Magazine years back that the United States have actually out-crossing the Lab & GR for eyes' seeing dog program and they have claimed that this "breed" is more easy to train when come to the pure breed among these two.
LEO PUI
Get REAL, Train REAL & Be REAL! Do RIGHT and FEAR No One!

laikamyee
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May 7, 2002, 5:22 PM

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Hi Moo,

Labrador? Too sweet to look at and very common ( just my own opinion ). By the way, just got myself a puppy yesterday,....Dobermann, Red Rust, got him from one of the top breeders.

Will share with you guys more and need to tap some experiences as well.

Regards,

Lai

cdmoo
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May 7, 2002, 7:04 PM

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Hi Delithra,
Well, I've also came across the article that leopui was stating... Border Collie being smartest....The article could be from www.akc.org ..
If I recall correctly, Lab & Golden are in the top 6 also..
..and Chow Chow is almost tailing at the back of the list :)
If I do come across the article, I will send you..

Smile

regards,

CD Moo

cdmoo
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May 7, 2002, 7:13 PM

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Hi Lai,
It's good to hear that u got a doberman pup.
It's quite true that during the 'old days' ...(in the early 80's). ...we only seen doberman & GSD being the guard dogs... and not Rottis.. As I know, Rottis is the no. 1 (most registered) breed in M'sia now.
regards,

CD Moo

Dar
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May 8, 2002, 1:18 AM

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hi,

keeee keeee keee woof woof Yes! yEs ! yeS! it's a rotti kingdom Cool

Someone by the name Richard from US who has worked with rottis told me long ago before I got mine " Owning a rottiweler puppy is the most wonderful thing that can happen to you but at times it will make you pull out your hair"

Leopui are you laughing at me? I am getting botakloh and it seems many more will be in Malaysia Wink

Thanks for Leopui my hair is growing back fast.

Dar

leopui
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May 8, 2002, 4:08 AM

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Good on you ... and to all the Rottie keeper, try to group up a charter or a breed club, then you should have better control and would produce a better Rottie (mind my word, I am not saying anything negative about the breed but I am looking forward to see more breed's club in Malaysia instead only GSD & Boxer that I know of at this time).

By the way, ... Leopui are you laughing at me? ... No, I didn't laught at you!!! we all learn together!!!
LEO PUI
Get REAL, Train REAL & Be REAL! Do RIGHT and FEAR No One!

cdmoo
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May 8, 2002, 6:09 PM

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Hi leopui,
Yes, there's a NEW Rottie breed club..
Pls. check with MKA on this...
regards,

CD Moo

delithra
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May 9, 2002, 12:29 AM

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Hi cdmoo

Thanks for the offer !! I went to see a Golden retriever litter yesterday and they were fabulous. HOwever, I want to wait until late June before I bring another pup home. Besides the pups for sale were only 5 weeks Shocked

!! so small .... i have my heart set on a golden at the moment,...can't wait to be a mommy! haha

was wondering if any people here had irish setters?

does anyone know if there is a difference in getting a pup froma female which is having her last litter ( i.e her 5 th litter ) as opposed to getting a pup from a female which is a first time mother ( about 2 yrs old)?

thanks Smile

leopui
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May 9, 2002, 4:17 AM

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Thank You for the up-date ... CD Moo. I will check and find out later.

With more individual breed's club, the breed quality will be in good control ... and hope no too long later, we would prove to other nations that we "Malaysian Boleh"!!!
LEO PUI
Get REAL, Train REAL & Be REAL! Do RIGHT and FEAR No One!

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