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ERN
K9 Maniac


May 9, 2006, 1:35 AM

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We all LOVE nice dog. The word "NICE" is relatively PERSONAL. A show dog won a championship under one Judge but lost it when it is under another Judge. A dog can be described by me as the superior, but it can be lousy from you point of view. A Champion dog will attarct many people but only one can own it, the non-chmapion dog also may attarct others. SO It is purely PERSONAL Choice.

We LOVE dogs in general, this is broader prospective of LOVE. We Love certain breed or a particular dog, this narrower prospective of LOVE. So the LOVE of dog can be a general or particular one. So when we choice a particular breed or a particular dog, it is SELECTIVE.

We LOVE dogs in general, but we dont keep all of them, this is NON-POSSESSIVE LOVE. We love one dog we buy/adopt it, we keeep it like our kids, if we lost it we cry we worry we use all our means to get it back, this is a POSSESSIVE LOVE.

You will continue to love this chosen one, if it live to your expectation after you have put in your effort to taining it. When it cant, there are people give it away in the name of adoption, there are people just dump it outside the house, death or live no longer their business. So the LOVE of DOG is CONDITIONAL.

SO when we want a dog with the intention to keep it, While the dog is still in our custory, the LOVE you give to the dog is a PERSONAL SELECTIVELY CONDITIONAL POSSESSIVE LOVE. So because we choose that particular dog out of hundres or thpusands.

In our live, we fall in love with someone, this kind of love can be a shortwhile or internity.

We LOVE our community our family, that is in general, but we cant hold up with all of them. When we love our community we cant have all of them to be with you but you will want one of them to be with you for whole of you life if you can. Miss Unversal/World or what ever crown she has won will attract many guys. Those not participate in the pegeant will still attract certain admirer will still be the best choice of someone else. And we also want the chosen one to live within our expectation. This LOVE principlely is still the same, PERSONALY SELECTIVELY CONDITIONAL POSSESSIVE LOVE.

There are many so call dog rescuers, what they do is a match-making intiative. They propose a dog to the potential taker and the choice is at him/her. Many of these rescuers go futher urging others not to breed dogs, some says not to simply breed dog, but principlely are the same. Their augentment is there are many stray dogs out there, and the would to be owner should choose from those up for adoptions. While the match-making intention is good, but love is PERSONAL, SELECTIVE, CONDITIONAL and POSSESSIVE. There are many un-married men and women or men and women who wanted and do not have a partner. But since love is PERSONAL, SELECTIVE, CONDITIONAL and POSSESSIVE, we can not ask people not to give birth so that those not chosen one will be taken. It does work this way. So do Dogs, it is love that bring the dog and the owner together.

There are many also urging people must only match both quality sire and dam so that the chances or the puppies coming up are with of the same quality, so that increase the chance of to be chosen. There are many also put to sleep many dogs in the name of EUTHANASIA. They claimed dogs that have certain characteristics that not in their preferred creteria to be neutered or spayed so they will not pass down to their next generation. Some even put to sleep their beloved pets after the dog has been with them for so long and just develope the un-wanted characteristics, some call it illnesses. Remember love is PERSONAL, SELECTIVE, CONDITIONAL and POSSESSIVE, they do so becasue the CONDITION is not the same anymore. But is the same thing you are going to do with your ex-love one?

Have you even seen a couple both with high blood pressure or both parents have a known illness avoid having children? NO. They will continue to have children. No breeder will say their dog is of sub-standard, so do most of the parents, they wants all their children to be genius. re you going to put to sleep once you realise the kids are not up to your expectation?

LOVE is PERSONAL, SELECTIVE, CONDITIONAL and POSSESSIVE. You can not change others' preference nor force others to choose their love.

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Amanda85
Doggyman


May 10, 2006, 3:50 AM

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wow! interesting article.... i'm a personal possessive one...

btw, if a 'couple' or 'breeder' had already know that their offspring will be having genetic defect, illness, disease and etc...

they should not 'reproduce'...

but had already 'produce', then ofcoz we had to do our best to bring them up, although it might cost them a fortune...

they had to be responsible to what they had 'produce'.

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ERN
K9 Maniac


May 10, 2006, 8:26 PM

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Hi Amanda

If the couple or breeder know certainly what they are getting into, I think people with rational mind will not re-produce.

But in real life, many gamble on their life and with the gamble falacia people tend to hope for the best. so they try. Have seen couple with many down syndrome kids. Dont they stop after having the first one? Have seen couple with family history with inheritant leukimia [is this correct spelling?] having more than 2 children with the same syndrome. In the 18 century [or 16?], the UK loyal family with deathly blood disorder syndrom through many generation, did they stop "re-produce"? the answer for all thses is NO.

Amanda, too bad we are human, human tend to hope the next to be better, tomorrow would be better, my children would be better. The hope do bring us advancement with some unfortunate one getting out of control.

At the end it is their choice. They choose to and they bear with it. Other people's comdemn will not change anything. So why comdemn [sorry, not for you]? More on those who comdemn, do it also, some even did it and destroy the evidence so that other will not know that they have done it?

I have seen in this forum one who put up an adoption post asking people to adopt his dogs, but later asked admin to delete it. That is too much. worse is this member he comdemn other people who did the same thing. Damm and always try to show how professinoal breeder how responsible he is. Such a hypocrite!!! This is the one we should comdemn and bar from this forum.

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Amanda85
Doggyman


May 11, 2006, 6:42 PM

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i really dunno what is in their mind....

when i study about genetic, many ppl will ask for genetic counselling....will wanna know how high is the possibilities that their child will have this and will have that....

but as for me,....if there is past genetic history and the outcome will definately affect the child future life....

the parent should not 'produce'.....they are just being too selfish....they never thought how the kid might suffer.

Pacco de Mongrel
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ERN
K9 Maniac


May 11, 2006, 7:21 PM

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Hi you study genetic, what course are you studying?

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Amanda85
Doggyman


May 11, 2006, 7:25 PM

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i'm studying Bsc MedBioSci

not majoring in genetic....but got 4 subject on genetic...

n those who studied genetic are really bad hearted wan.....coz when we discover new disease around....we r so excited and couldn't wait to do a research on it...

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(This post was edited by Amanda85 on May 11, 2006, 7:26 PM)


ERN
K9 Maniac


May 11, 2006, 10:43 PM

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Woh. that is interesting.

You will have to chooce your specialisation, rite? what are you plan to do?

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Amanda85
Doggyman


May 12, 2006, 12:50 AM

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i'm in a malaysia campus of aussie uni......so don't hv specialization for me to choose...

now doing a basic medical science degree.... mayb in future will consider specializing in genetic or immunology.

Pacco de Mongrel
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ppdcdm
Member


May 12, 2006, 1:01 AM

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Hi Amanda

If the couple or breeder know certainly what they are getting into, I think people with rational mind will not re-produce.

But in real life, many gamble on their life and with the gamble falacia people tend to hope for the best. so they try. Have seen couple with many down syndrome kids. Dont they stop after having the first one? Have seen couple with family history with inheritant leukimia [is this correct spelling?] having more than 2 children with the same syndrome. In the 18 century [or 16?], the UK loyal family with deathly blood disorder syndrom through many generation, did they stop "re-produce"? the answer for all thses is NO.

Amanda, too bad we are human, human tend to hope the next to be better, tomorrow would be better, my children would be better. The hope do bring us advancement with some unfortunate one getting out of control.

At the end it is their choice. They choose to and they bear with it. Other people's comdemn will not change anything. So why comdemn [sorry, not for you]? More on those who comdemn, do it also, some even did it and destroy the evidence so that other will not know that they have done it?

I have seen in this forum one who put up an adoption post asking people to adopt his dogs, but later asked admin to delete it. That is too much. worse is this member he comdemn other people who did the same thing. Damm and always try to show how professinoal breeder how responsible he is. Such a hypocrite!!! This is the one we should comdemn and bar from this forum.



who is this member u mentioning? it is shameful to hide out of the truth while condem others! and be brave to tell others the truth, we shouldnt hide it for him if we do know abt the truth. i support u!


ERN
K9 Maniac


May 12, 2006, 1:29 AM

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Hi Amanda

that is very cool huh. If you like computer you may consider Bioinformatics later where you can still enjoy your interest in genetics or immunology.

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last update, ZEUS & Shiki's 2nd off springs, 16/09/2008. Yes 9.16!

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ERN
K9 Maniac


May 12, 2006, 1:54 AM

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hi ppdcdm

too bad. when i saw that felor comdemning others doing the same thing that he have done not long ago, i when find the old threads, but too bad, can not find leow. Recently go find certain posts that look no good to him, also can not find leow. Such a coward hypocrite bully with irresponsible crony.

camplain to PPC admin [the powerfull ID that can do the magic] and Mr Khoo, but "dare not?" reply. Or they think they are providing this forum for free so no need to bother this type of complains. Too bad huh.

I hate hypocrite.

We are human being not a saint, we do mistake or say the wrong thing once a while,

we may make the wrong stand due to lack of information or belief to misleading information,

we look back what we have done on our younger age, we found many things we have done are disbelief by our ownself now.

We dont need to hide what we have done before but we must have the guts to accept it and apolozy to what we have done.

You can hide it from others, but someone is watching you and deciding on your destiny for you.

If that felor want to comments [condemn?] on others, if he have done the same thing before, please just share the experience and point out that this is not the correct way to do the thing. That is more responsible and truth.

If you destroy the evidence and start condemning people that this very sinfull. We might not able to bring you to justice nor expose you, but again someone is watching you.

you are "enjoying" his giudance on the lower floor.

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last update, ZEUS & Shiki's 2nd off springs, 16/09/2008. Yes 9.16!

http://s56.photobucket.com/...%20Zeus%20N%20Shiki/

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/ERN2/Dogs


Amanda85
Doggyman


May 12, 2006, 1:57 AM

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actually i dare not choose something which is too popular...

afraid later might have to many competition around....

like IT, biotech and others.... so many ppl crowd there...

Pacco de Mongrel
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ERN
K9 Maniac


May 12, 2006, 2:03 AM

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link to my complain.

http://www.puppy.com.my/...ain_Neutral_P260845/

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last update, ZEUS & Shiki's 2nd off springs, 16/09/2008. Yes 9.16!

http://s56.photobucket.com/...%20Zeus%20N%20Shiki/

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/ERN2/Dogs


ERN
K9 Maniac


May 12, 2006, 2:19 AM

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actually i dare not choose something which is too popular...

afraid later might have to many competition around....

like IT, biotech and others.... so many ppl crowd there...



Hi Amanda

I am just providing more information,

You are doing Bio Medical Sceince now, since your interest is on genetics or immunolofy, A Master in Bioninformatics with speciallisation in either these 2 will prepare you well at the phd level.

The skill and knowledge your acquired from Master level will make you further reseach easier. It provides you widen prospects.

You may continue at Master level solely on genetics or immunology and futher to phd but the result will not be the same. The single discplinary reseach has less value than the multi-disciplinary research. Multi-discipline reseach provides wider and deeper fields of exploration that maybe not be possible from a single disciplinary researcher.

my 2 cents.

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last update, ZEUS & Shiki's 2nd off springs, 16/09/2008. Yes 9.16!

http://s56.photobucket.com/...%20Zeus%20N%20Shiki/

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/ERN2/Dogs


ppdcdm
Member


May 12, 2006, 9:05 PM

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so far from wat i have seen in this forum, the person who fit most to ur description is CxxxxOxg Pirate


Amanda85
Doggyman


May 12, 2006, 9:10 PM

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hmm...thx a lot for ur advice....

consider of master degree....but now a days there r lots of uni who accept admission to phd without master....

mayb they wanna attract more student to enrol......a marketing strategy

Pacco de Mongrel
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luv_pipi
Enthusiast


May 19, 2006, 9:54 PM

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haha... ppdcdm.. i totally agreed with you. I am new in this forum but in just two weeks i have found out that this young man is talking crap and trying to show off his profession in dog breeding.

Sorry to be straight forward but i memang cannot tahan this kind of guy. Check out my signature. this is specially designed for this crappy guy.

If you are reading my thread, CxxxxOxx, feel free to reply to me. My profession is to criticise and to add sarcastic comments. you know, i have lots of time for this.. haha
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chrisong
Doggyman

May 19, 2006, 10:06 PM

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haha... ppdcdm.. i totally agreed with you. I am new in this forum but in just two weeks i have found out that this young man is talking crap and trying to show off his profession in dog breeding. Huh? Show off my pro in dog breeding??? Am I a pro dog breeder??? In which post I mention??? When is my last time I breed my dog??? hmm.....why eveyone here say I am a pro breeder.

Sorry to be straight forward but i memang cannot tahan this kind of guy. Check out my signature. this is specially designed for this crappy guy. If you think by designed this signature simply just for me, I say thank you but you should be shame about yourself because you should design for your PIPI not for me.

If you are reading my thread, CxxxxOxx, feel free to reply to me. My profession is to criticise and to add sarcastic comments. you know, i have lots of time for this.. haha Sorry I have no time with your pro criticise & comments.

Have nice day


ppdcdm
Member


May 20, 2006, 1:22 AM

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aiyo, u cant get ppl meaning ar, i can get it la. she mean u r acting like a pro while u still mentally not suit la, well still need her to clarify wether i got guess wrong or not.

u oso waste ur time use rude word on other ppl, say others stupid wat, u should feel shame oso la.

u have no time... but u r replying... ...




Amanda85
Doggyman


May 20, 2006, 2:19 AM

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hi ppdcdm

too bad. when i saw that felor comdemning others doing the same thing that he have done not long ago, i when find the old threads, but too bad, can not find leow. Recently go find certain posts that look no good to him, also can not find leow. Such a coward hypocrite bully with irresponsible crony.

camplain to PPC admin [the powerfull ID that can do the magic] and Mr Khoo, but "dare not?" reply. Or they think they are providing this forum for free so no need to bother this type of complains. Too bad huh.

I hate hypocrite.

We are human being not a saint, we do mistake or say the wrong thing once a while,

we may make the wrong stand due to lack of information or belief to misleading information,

we look back what we have done on our younger age, we found many things we have done are disbelief by our ownself now.

We dont need to hide what we have done before but we must have the guts to accept it and apolozy to what we have done.

You can hide it from others, but someone is watching you and deciding on your destiny for you.

If that felor want to comments [condemn?] on others, if he have done the same thing before, please just share the experience and point out that this is not the correct way to do the thing. That is more responsible and truth.

If you destroy the evidence and start condemning people that this very sinfull. We might not able to bring you to justice nor expose you, but again someone is watching you.

you are "enjoying" his giudance on the lower floor.



i think is not fair 2 dig out d past....

every1 change over time...

i still remember last 2 years, i posted up a thread looking 2 adopt a westie...

now when i look back, i also feel like laughing @ myself...

i'm now a proud owner of a black mongrel.....n u definately can search from other thread tat i did mentioned 2 richie or stanley (i think), tat i'm not too fond wit white dogs.... i prefer brown n black

c...100% change from last time....

since d person had change 2 bcome a better one, n provide useful information, educated others 2 be responsible owner...i don't think is fair 2 criticised,,,

Pacco de Mongrel
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(This post was edited by Amanda85 on May 20, 2006, 2:21 AM)


luv_pipi
Enthusiast


May 21, 2006, 8:27 PM

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I thought this guy mentioned somewhere in this forum that he will not reply to this kind of thread?

He always say something but don't want to admit that he said it. Now i understand why so many people complained that he said something yet he did not admit that he said it.

Whether your friend will clarify with you if C******g is the person that we are discussing here it does not matter la. He wants to argue that he is not the one or want to challenge that we should bring out the evidence, let him be la.
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luv_pipi
Enthusiast


May 21, 2006, 8:50 PM

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Aiyo, chrisong, you are really free to "quote & comments" every single line people say? Last time i don't believe now i do.

If you need further explanation for my comments, check out ppd's thread. He already explained what i want to say. Unless our English are too complicated for you to understand, then i cannot blame you.

I am proud of whatever i do or say. There's nothing that i am shameful about. I have made some mistakes for some comments in this forum and so i apologize. I don't simply talk and later don't admit what i said. Also, I don't condemn others.

If you think you have a pleasant and good personality you should not be criticising people in this way. I am not a saint like you so i will continue my sarcastic comments.

Before you think people is picking on you, think for yourself what you have done that have pissed off so many people here.

I have break my reply in several sentences so it is better for you to quote and comments on my sentence.

Adius!
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luv_pipi
Enthusiast


May 21, 2006, 9:17 PM

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Amanda, I totally agree with you that we should not always dig out what happened at past.

People don't pick on him for no reason.

I don't know about the story behind but i simply don't like the way he talks to others. Like now he said that "I should be shameful for the design of my signature..bla bla bla". Why should i be shameful? He said people is rude yet he wants to crticise people like this. I am a lady and i like to say nonsense but this fello is a man, i mean, if he is a REAL GENTLEMAN, he should not talk like this.

You have to understand it is the way that he is behaving which is pissing people off. He even quoted and replied to people's commens in CHIT CHAT. Of course, in a more rude and sarcastic manners compare to the opposite party. He was starting the arguement yet he denied later.
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julie83
Dog Kichi


May 22, 2006, 1:04 AM

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umm..this forum has turned into Must Hate Chrisong from Must Love Dogs.Wink kidding. No offence but let's not get into this nitpicking mood.
First, its not fun for a new user to read post regarding about dogs that suddenly turned to critized somebody in the end. Second, I feel that if you're not happy with something/someone then its better to consult them directly rather than whispering. Third, we are here for our beloved pets, so let's show some tolerance towards one another cuz after all 'nobody is perfect'.
Cool


Amanda85
Doggyman


May 22, 2006, 6:39 PM

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haha....ya...4 newbie u hv 2 choose wat thread 2 read...wisely..Wink

Pacco de Mongrel
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