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leopui
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Oct 3, 2002, 8:49 PM

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I woke up one morning with my littermates, I saw Mom lying there, so I went over to get some breakfast. Mom was warm and she licked me all over. She loved us so much ...

Things were good back then.

Then I went to live in a home with two kids and their mom and dad. I used to be able to come in the house and play. They even let me sleep in the house. The children would run and I would chase them around. When I was little they would let me jump on them and even playfully bite them. The family would laugh and encourage me to play like that. They gave me lots of toys such as socks, shoes and stuffed animals. I had so much fun ...

Those were the days.

As I got bigger, I would accidentally knock the children down. I would try to bite them on the cuff of their pants as they ran. I found toys like the ones my master gave me when I was younger, and I would chew them up. They started getting mad at me all the time. When I jumped up they would knee me down. One minute they were laughing at me for play biting and chewing and the next minute they would spank me for doing the very same thing ...

I was so confused.

Now I spend my days, hour after hour, chained in the back yard. No one comes out to play with me. I am so happy to see them when they come out that I jump and bark with joy. I spend my days digging up the yard around me which makes my masters mad at me. The fleas crawl all over me...

Which drives me crazy.

The more I sit out here the madder I get. I cannot understand why they brought me home just to chain me in the yard. If my masters are unhappy with my behavior...

Why not train me?

Why did they encourage me to jump and bite? Things have not gotten any better for me. Now I sit in jail. People come by my cage looking at me. I bark at them but no one wants me. Oh, no! Here comes a lady with a leash. Where is she taking me? She walks me into a room. Oh, she likes me. It's so good to be hugged again. What's this? She is sticking my leg. Oh, I am so sleepy. What has happened to me? I am asleep now...

NO ONE CAN HURT ME ANYMORE.


LEO PUI
Get REAL, Train REAL & Be REAL! Do RIGHT and FEAR No One!


ginl
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Oct 3, 2002, 9:58 PM

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Great article Leopui! It's so true....owners shd train their dogs and teach them what's right and not as early as possible so that they can grow up to be good dogs....dogs are just like little children....with your own child you wud teach him/her the rights and wrongs but the trouble is, some ppl don't realise that dogs need the same kind of teachings....they take in a dog, do nothing with it and expect the dog to behave properly....that's the thing that pisses me off the most....most dogs are not aggressive, it is the owners who made them that way by not socialising them well at an early age....when their dogs grow up and start biting and attacking ppl, they put them to sleep instead coz they are bad or killer dogs Mad .....if only everyone wud take some time off to train their dogs to be a good canine citizen....teach them yourself if u don't hv time to go for formal classes....but if you don't then don't blame your dog when he/she starts to misbehave.


luckey
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Oct 3, 2002, 10:46 PM

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Yes I agree with both of you guys.. really awful when something like that happens...

we're having a little bit of trouble like that at home actually, that's why i signed up my 3 yr old cocker to come for training at the course... but have now changed my mind coz he just tried to bite me when i tried to snap a leash on the other day. dont want him to bite someone by mistake and get into a bad accident like that...

He bit my hubby that same day as well, when my hubby tried to take one of the pups away from him coz he was being too rough.

I think something happened to him when he was a pup or something, coz he is the most adorable, loveable dog... only thing he has this mad streak in him ... he bites when he thinks you are taking something away from him... now we just ahve to be real careful when dealing with him and not let him get hold of any toys esp when the pups are around him.

anyone has a dog like this? one that is so adorable yet has this biting problem that only comes unexpectedly?


May
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Oct 4, 2002, 10:27 AM

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I totally agree with you, ginl. Owners should spend time to train their dog(s). Afterall, a dog life span is so short. Why can't we give them a wonderful life by spending half an hour (min) a day to train/play with them. That's all they are asking from us.


wkser
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Oct 4, 2002, 10:37 AM

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hi leopui,
i am totally agreed with you...all the dog no matter pure breed or mixed breed...they need to be train in the proper way........most of the owner will said they dun know the proper way to train the dog......well in the bookstore there stack of dog training book that you can get even from rm 4.50 to a few hundred bucks or they can send them to the dog asociation training centre ......we shouldn't stop training our dog........train your dog.....

regards
kangser and nous


Cecilia74
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Oct 4, 2002, 11:33 AM

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Yeah, it's very true that an untrained dog will ultimately live a miserable life - whether being abandoned, always in changing hands, locked up, or put to sleep forever. A trained dog is an obedient dog, but we must also keep our obedient dog happy. Some dogs may be obedient, but they may be living a boring or unhappy life. And who will know that there'll be change in behaviours. Those dogs that have been sent for training must continue to be trained at home until they fully understood. Some owners might be too busy to play/train their dogs, & might take a shortcut by letting them behave as usual which might contradict to the given training. At the end, one will get very frustrated by its behaviours & might be wondering why the dog hasn't change after the training. Actually, the training/learning is continuous. As we play with them, they'll learn something from there. If we throw our socks for them to fetch/bite, they'll learn it. We don't want that to happen, so the owners must be trained too, on what they should/shouldn't do. How our dogs behave reflects how well we know them, whether we've train them accordingly. Just like children, some dogs may have to use this way, while others may need to use that way to get the same result.


leopui
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Oct 4, 2002, 1:34 PM

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I am more than move and happy to learn there are SO MANY people up there sharing the same idea as regard to the issue of providing training toward our pup/dog!!! Way to go ... everyone Angelic Angelic Angelic!!!

Owner, indeed is the key person needed to be aware and learn ... I have recently heard news about our Government is going to enforce a new policy to those parent that do not send their children for education ... in the canine's world, we can always do almost the same thing like this ... we do not required the Government to step in but each and individual should act responisble when come to canine-ownership!!!

Happy Training Everyone ...
LEO PUI
Get REAL, Train REAL & Be REAL! Do RIGHT and FEAR No One!


Cecilia74
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Oct 7, 2002, 12:29 PM

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When I was in my childhood time, my neighbour wanted to pay us (all kids at the neighbourhood) RM10 for each cat killed. There was 1 cat sleeping on top of his car bonnet & he got so angry about it. Nevertheless, our mothers advised us not to do it & told us it's evil to do so.

We used to call his car "koon-choy chea" (coffin car) because he'll hon aloud from afar at whoever standing on the housing road because he'll not slow down for you - always, we've jump away to avoid being hit. There were once that 1 of the boys being hit by him, & of course, he paid for the medical fee & give extra RM20 to the mother. Well, being poor, you won't complain the slightest - afterall, the wound wasn't serious & will heal in time.

When Bobby gave birth to several puppies, 2 of them were totally black - 1 male & 1 female. This man's younger sister came to our house to request for the black male puppy - we never thought of any bad thing they'll do to the puppy because they were actually adopting him. This "sick" neighbour tied him at the backyard & contantly beat him whenever he can't stop barking as there were complaints from neighbours. When my mom questioned their treatment, they said we've no business in that because we've given up the puppy. Whoever cross the backyard, that puppy will bark like a crazy dog, pulling his leash as if wanting to bite someone.

At around the age of 1, that man's sister hanged the puppy to death & soaked him in boiling water & then cleaned it before making him as food for themselves. They use his blood to sprinkle around the house to chase away bad luck & evil spirit. By then, we only know their purpose in asking for a black male puppy. Although, some neighbours told them that they'll get their payback if they kill a dog because a dog has sense - thus, killing a dog is like killing a person. They never care.

Can you imagine, they were the only neighbour at that time who can speak English, has a car, & live a modern lifestyle (shopping, swimming pool, cinema, telephone, etc) but seems very uneducated than the poor?


ginl
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Oct 7, 2002, 12:38 PM

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That is really sick and insane! Why didn't anyone reported them for animal cruelty??


leopui
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Oct 7, 2002, 12:45 PM

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Hi Cecilia74,

Thanks for sharing.

As mentioned early, what we can do,we do it ourselves ... eventhough it may be just a small part but with all the little gathering around, one may get surprise the impacts!!!

We have breed registry in the country but too bad, we do not have breed control system yet not to mention about proper dog-ownership. If every dog-keeper would care just a bit more by teaching their dog for some level of training ... we are at least one step ahead from the present!!!

I am a firm believer, you should provide at least some obedience training to your dog if you want to keep a dog ...

Likewise, you should provide education study to your children if you want to have a child ...
LEO PUI
Get REAL, Train REAL & Be REAL! Do RIGHT and FEAR No One!


May
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Oct 7, 2002, 1:26 PM

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I have came across such incident too. Last year, I saw this cute little black puppy adopted by my mother-in-law's neighbour. By the way, these ppl are bachelor, not local, Sabahan or from Myanmar etc. The puppy was so adorable. She was running freely in the compound of the house everyday and she will greed us whenever we reached home. She won't ran out of the house although the gate was never lock.

Then one day, my mother-in-law heard the puppy crying/screaming so loud. The next day we noticed the puppy wasn't there anymore. She did not come out to greet us until today. Only God knows what happen to that poor puppy. I'll miss her forever.


valery
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Oct 7, 2002, 1:39 PM

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it's really sad that you had to experience what you did. luckily, you had an undersatnding mother who taught right from wrong otherwise, you may have landed up same as that evil man and his family. just imagine what would have happened if you had accepted that $10 and killed the cat and enjoyed it???? proper guidance is important, likewise for all animals. training is a must for the better part of us, we must try our best to teach our pets to be good citizens and not terrorize the neighbourhood. it's really sad to read leopui's story and yours too. just reminds me of the time when i was alittle girl and saw my (back) neighbour slaughter puppies for food....one by one ! i only remember that she was mad and would run around her backyard naked. i now wonder if the killings were a part of her therapy. maybe soemthing her sane members thought might rid her of the evil inside her....you know how people think sometimes.......


arthur
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Oct 7, 2002, 2:14 PM

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Leopui, you wrote...

"I am a firm believer, you should provide at least some obedience training to your dog if you want to keep a dog ...

Likewise, you should provide education study to your children if you want to have a child ..."


Well said! Something to file away for future reference. Rdgs ArthurSmile

Pity the poor black dog.. It's a shame that the dominant lifeform on this planet treats the lesser life forms this way. I read somewhere that the dog has all the virtues of man, without his vices. Would like to hear your view on this..


leopui
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Oct 7, 2002, 2:32 PM

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Arthur,

I will give some time to "prepare" a note about this (in-fact, I need to locate where I placed it as I'd read about that LONG ago!!!Blush). Meanwhile, follow the link for a quick one ... Click Here!!!
LEO PUI
Get REAL, Train REAL & Be REAL! Do RIGHT and FEAR No One!


melanie
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Oct 7, 2002, 5:14 PM

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Hi LEOPUI,

Actually feel bad when I read your posting to sent our furkids for training.

My kiddi is 5 mths old now and do not attend the training class. She manage to follow simple command, sit, off, come, down, wait, quite.....

Iam planning to train her myself but worried not effective as I can't join the training classUnsure

Hopefully kiddie will behave well throughtout her childhood!

Regards


ginl
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Oct 7, 2002, 5:26 PM

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Hi Melanie....i think it doesn't matter if you are not able to attend any formal classes....you can always train her at home....i still think the key is socialisation....get your dog out to places where there are a lot of ppl and dogs....try and get different ppl to touch your dogs and let your dog interact with other doggies. With proper socialisation, your dog will not feel any fear when she's outside in unfamiliar surroundings and will not act aggressive towards ppl and other dogs.


leopui
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Oct 7, 2002, 5:36 PM

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Melanie,

Do not worry too much, Ginl have basically tell you one of the key point - socialization.

As long as you can provide the basic keys command - come, sit, down, stay and heel and have your dog "master" it ... you are already one or few steps ahead. Go figure out and do some brains storming Wink !!!

Like Mr. Khoo used to say .... CHEER!!!
LEO PUI
Get REAL, Train REAL & Be REAL! Do RIGHT and FEAR No One!


melanie
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Oct 7, 2002, 5:45 PM

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Tks Ginl, LEOPUI,

Yeah, that is why I will always try to come for any doggie gathering with kiddi, although I am late..she is really enjoying it.Tongue

Once I think of her sitting at home waiting for me, feel guilty and will take her everywhere she can go...

Still brushing for her training!

Regards


Cecilia74
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Oct 9, 2002, 12:45 PM

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Who'll report then? The olds didn't know how to read & the youngs were too young to understand anything. Not to mention not knowing where to complain or what to do, even our parents have to depend on this neighbour to read/translate our letters, & we've to depend on our parents to tell us it was wrong to do such thing. Only as we grew older, we came to understand & feel for such act.

Dear leopui, you said "As mentioned early, what we can do,we do it ourselves ... eventhough it may be just a small part but with all the little gathering around, one may get surprise the impacts!!!" I also read about not buying puppies/dogs from pet shop, millers, etc in other thread. What's your comment on supporting Eukanuba food for our puppies/dogs after reading from iamskills.com?


As long as your Kiddie is trained, it doesn't matter at anywhere. Have you heard about home-schooling for children? A friend of mine has been working to get her children for home-schooling - she was a lawyer but resigned to be a full-time mom, her husband is a doctor. They're not afraid that they don't get enough socialization because their children are going for dancing classes, group music classes, art classes, swimming classes, etc. So, as long as you've the faith that your Kiddie is well trained & have good socialization, it's alright.


ginl
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Oct 9, 2002, 2:30 PM

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Who'll report then? The olds didn't know how to read & the youngs were too young to understand anything. Not to mention not knowing where to complain or what to do, even our parents have to depend on this neighbour to read/translate our letters, & we've to depend on our parents to tell us it was wrong to do such thing. Only as we grew older, we came to understand & feel for such act.


That's just too bad on what happened....hopefully with today's modern society and mentality, things like this will not occur anymore.


leopui
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Oct 9, 2002, 3:35 PM

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Cecila74,

Guess there are some points that I must clearify since I have being quoted Angelic: ...

You said ... I also read about not buying puppies/dogs from pet shop, millers, etc in other thread ...

I have one question to ask you, do you know why the reason behind? What about if there is really outstanding lineage's pup/dog that put on sales in the petshop, will you not to buy?

You said ... What's your comment on supporting Eukanuba food for our puppies/dogs after reading from iamskills.com ...

First I have yet to visit the site as stated, second I will and would not have further commant in the PUBLIC about each brand of dog food ... sorry can't help much on this.

You said ... As long as your Kiddie is trained, it doesn't matter at anywhere. Have you heard about home-schooling for children? A friend of mine has been working to get her children for home-schooling - she was a lawyer but resigned to be a full-time mom, her husband is a doctor. They're not afraid that they don't get enough socialization because their children are going for dancing classes, group music classes, art classes, swimming classes, etc. So, as long as you've the faith that your Kiddie is well trained & have good socialization, it's alright ...

You does have a valid point, I have my elder daughter who is sufferiung with poor eyes-sight problem since birth, we have try many ways in-order to get her better but so far, we have yet to hear any positive result.

We get her into a special school, which she learn how to read like a "blind" but she is just above the rest, we can't let her "stay" in this type of condition ... so we choose like what you have mentioned # Home -Schooling, conducted by my wife ... so far, it work out very well!!!

Now, I would like to ask you, how many people do you know of that can provide this type of home-schooling??? I am more than confident to answer it for you that ... it is definitely less than 0.5% when compare from the numbers of friend that you know!!!

Please bear in mind that, this is a public forum, we may not be able to comment everything that based on our believe and living experience, as much as I wanted people to believe me ... I need to show them the prove or at least some solid statement or studies that could support my comment!!! Therefore, my quote read as:

"I am a firm believer, you should provide at least some obedience training to your dog if you want to keep a dog ... Likewise, you should provide education study to your children if you want to have a child ..."

or whatsoever posted ... I claim that for the interests "For & In General" only!!! Smile Smile Smile

Since it was a history ... we learn from the history then and doing our best not to have the mistake occur again ... we have plenty more present an dfuture to talk about Cool Cool Cool !!!
LEO PUI
Get REAL, Train REAL & Be REAL! Do RIGHT and FEAR No One!

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wkser
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Oct 9, 2002, 3:38 PM

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hi cecilia,
oh my god that horrible what kind of neighbour do you had....your neighbour are barbarian...

regards
kangser and nous


Cecilia74
Dog Kichi

Oct 9, 2002, 7:41 PM

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Well, I'm not the type to buy a pup/dog from a pet shop because I feel that they're either cute & handsome which will attract many people to buy & care for them. I'm the type that'll go for unwanted pup/dog because they make me fond for them. I guess there're many reasons as to why people don't buy from pet shop just as stated in the threads, whether for personal reasons or for supporting certain values.

It's OK that you don't want to comment on the dog food as I just ask only - it doesn't matter, just leave it.

I feel for your elder daughter. Will she be having some kind of operation from eyes donation? My bro-in-law donated his eyes to a girl when he died from liver cancer. Is she waiting for that too? My niece was born deaf, so, not only she can't hear, she can't speak either. She's in special school too, now in secondary - she's really preety. She loves ballet, but she had to stop after awhile because she can't hear music. Only her mom can communicate with her because no one has the time or bother to attend the classes to learn sign language besides her caring mom - I guess she must feel very alone & lonely in her no-sound world. Her mom wants to send her for some kind of operation which promise that she can hear but the doc advised to wait until she finished her school because if she fell down, she won't be able to hear for the rest of her life. Even that, the doc said that my niece may not get used to the sound as she'll hear lots of noises & eventually will choose to be deaf.

Another friend of mine is a home-schooling teacher. She graduated in economics but chose to teach mentally retarded children in their home where the parents didn't want them to be sent to centre or public school - most of them are from wealthy family, so she's charging a minimum of RM1k/month for 1/2 session, once a week. Although she's single, but she commented, that if she has children, she doesn't mind that they're not high IQ, smart, etc, just as long as they're normal. I feel the same even though my niece isn't mentally retarded but she's deaf - she can see but not hear the slightest, even her mom say "I Love You." She can't hear comforting words from us. She's not close to anyone but her mom only - she doesn't feel secure with anyone because she can't hear us. Since she doesn't have many friends, some of the family members are now trying to pick up sign language by ourselves, but then, there's still missing link.

I know what we believe & how we present ourselves is always depend on what we've gone through - I understand your stand & respect your beliefs.


leopui
K9 Maniac

Oct 9, 2002, 8:15 PM

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Cecila74,

Good reply Angelic!!! You may not spell it all out but you are doing wonderful ... you sure be another GOOD assert to puppy com!!!

I appreciate your concern over my daughter but this is just not the right place for me to keep going on this matter ...

Speaking about iamskills.com [as i have just visited], I am wordless about the company as well as it product. I believe [again???], we need to look at thing from servere point of view!!! Read once, read twice and may be hold the breath and read for the third times, one may found different meaning from the text after each reading ... it is something like reading the Bible Wink !!!

I am just not in any position to comment beside, I have only try and purchased two packets of EXXXXXXXX dog food so far, I have no way really "study" about it ....I am happy and is staying with what I am feeding now Cool Cool Cool ... !!!

Meanwhile, enjoy the training over your dog Smile !!!
LEO PUI
Get REAL, Train REAL & Be REAL! Do RIGHT and FEAR No One!

(This post was edited by leopui on Oct 9, 2002, 8:35 PM)


Cecilia74
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Oct 10, 2002, 7:10 AM

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Yeah, I guess we were out of topic already, but we've to clear the air, right?

I guess I understand how you feel about the dog food. Sometimes, we want to fight for certain values. But, come to think of our loved ones, we want to give them what we think the best even though we know that we'll be living on the expense of other. It's this conflict that makes us torn between sometimes.

Anyway, both decisions are of values because it concerns about love for others - the one with us & the majority. It takes different people to make the world goes round. For me, I believe I'm giving Munji the best I could think of wihout inflicting pain to her same species. She's growing healthily. I'm not afraid to mix her with her siblings because I've faith in her because I believe in myself - she won't contract any diseases.

So far, I've yet to bring her to her siblings because for the fear of her mom. 1st time, I was barked & chased by her mom. Now, she allowed me to go near to her & to her puppies because I brought them food. The mother is very skinny that her pelvic bone can be seen, & she has skin diesease with rotten patches everywhere - I'm not sure if she can live long. I'm still figuring out what should be my next step.

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