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JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 17, 2004, 8:22 PM

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hi, i got a question... i havent bought my dog yet, planning to buy it soon... i'm still a student, n im form 3 next year... if i lock my dog in a cage while i'm studying at school, is it ok? but i'm sure when i get back from school, i'll play with it... i mean let it free lar... hahaha... the reason i lock it while im studying is, i got an indonesian maid, she's really afraid of dog... i still remember last time when my auntie brought her dog to my house, the dog(mini poodle) lick my maid's leg n she scream then cry... pity her lar... i think one day i will lock it for around 6-7 hours... while school lar... then i will let it out until sleep time... but some ppl in this website said cannot lock more than 4 hours... but my mother will sometimes play with it while i go to sachol, my brother also, next year he study at college, sure got time lar... but i guarentee i will let it out for more than 5 hours... saturday, sunday n holiday i wont lock it except when sleep time n when i go out... n i will but many toys for it to play, n sometimes i will ask my maid to open radio for it... or maybe i will just tie it with a long leash, i guess it will be better... or i will just train it not to go near my maid... any advice?

Justin

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MisterStan
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Nov 17, 2004, 8:45 PM

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hi justin

when you bought the puppy over the house for the first time, and for the first few nights, you gotta accompany the puppy, as the puppy is afraid and are not familiar with the house and the family members yet. so, make sure your puppies get to know all the members of the family (except your maid).. different dog have different attitudes, like my beagle, he needed a companion eventhough he is at crate while i am not at home.

he is ok as long as he get to see someone and hear someone... means that the house cannot be so quiet... turning on the radio is ok also, provided that your puppy knows how to listen radio. Tongue

before you leave for school, do play with your doggy/bring it for a short walk outside... and i think it should be ok, then when you come back from school, let it free/play with it/bring it for walk.

well, another suggestion is that, maybe you can put the puppy/doggy inside a play pen, at least it have space to walk around, compare to the crate, less space to walk around.. putting your puppy/dog on leash? hmmm.. i not sure bout that, but no dogs like to be on leash, unless you are bringing them for a walk...

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(This post was edited by Khoobg on Nov 17, 2004, 9:31 PM)

crazymouse_yyh
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Nov 17, 2004, 9:23 PM

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It is ok to cage a dog for 6 hours.... but you must be prepared to her him make noise lah..... anyway, if your mom is at home then it is ok coz puppies need human company so as long as able to see your m,om, the puppy would be ok. I also chain my shih tzu for 6 hours coz that time nobody at home and he hates cages....so it is ok....

Hwne you bring the puppy home, let the puppy sleep in your room but in a cage, not your bed. The puppy will be calmer with you, become closer with you but if you put it on your bed now, the puppy will think you are treating it like the boss and will be very dominant and not so easy to train.... after 1 or 2 years, you can let the dog sleep in your room without a cage but still don't let it on your bed. All my dogs sleeps in our rooms for the 1st year, then later I put them outside to guard house. The big dogs are very close to us. My shih tzu sleeps in my room everday and has his own bed, he will not jump on my bed coz he knows I'm the boss and not him.

As what MisterStan said, try to get a puppy Pen... it is like small fences where you can attach to make a circle are for you puppy to play in. On piece or fencing cost around RM15.

Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

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LIFE IS FULL OF WONDERS!

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JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 17, 2004, 11:16 PM

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yea, i plan already, i will stay awake until -4 am, i will let teh dog out around that time for pee n poo, i wanna toilet train it early... n 1 more question, puppy really cannot hold until morning meh? i mean if i let it pee n poo at around 12 am, wait until morning 8 am, i will let it pee n poo again... but i'm afraid that it might pee n poo in the crate... ok, thx for the advice... the play pen cost RM15 each right? if i buy 4-5 enough or not? then when it grow bigger then i add 1 more lar... my house not very big.. apartment only... where got space to put... n i leave for school at 6 am, which means i have to wake up at 5 am, after taking bath, breakfast n etc, i think i got 20 mins to play with my dog... but is it too early? if not enough sleep how? n can i feed my puppy at around 6 am(before i got o school) ? but on weekend n sun, i will feed it at around 9 am... but i think its quite difficult for me to bring it for a walk so early in the morning... very dark leh, somemore my park got snakes... i dun wnat my puppy to be their breakfast... hahaha... anyway, thanks for replying me...

Justin

MisterStan
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Nov 18, 2004, 12:08 AM

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hi justin

if you do not want your dog to pee while you asleep/away, then try not to let him drink so much water. well, i think your dog , after toilet trained, should be ok to let it out eventhough you are not there to supervise, bcs the dog, when urgent to do business, will straight rush to toilet and settle down there..

if you think you could not bring your dog for a walk due to lots of snakes, then you can also play with the dog for a while before leaving for school.

a question which i wanna ask is that, your home is it totally no one at home??

if there will be someone at home, for example, your mom, then you can ask your mom to feed the dog daily and to let the dog out to do his business....

hope this helps..

for the play pen, just buy a few pieces, that you think, is more than enough to accomodate the doggy...

XoXo
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Nov 18, 2004, 10:54 AM

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I am replying to POST starter Justin. (mistake)

at first few weeks let the puppy poo and pee himself everywhere. Becuase he is a still baby, he cannot control it so well. Ask yourself, when you are baby, do you know how to control you big and small?

A puppy should be able to control her poo and pee at about 3 to 4 months old.

at the beginning after you got your puppy. (usually people sell puppy at 2 months old age, or 8 weeks) when you puppy poo or pee, quickly grab him to the place you want him to poo. leave some poo/pee smell on that site
Tongue

Dogs like to poo and pee at the place they poo b4. train it until your puppy know where he should poo/pee. When they poo/pee? Usually after they finish their meal! Look carefully they start to sniff arround in circles Frown

b4 they want to poo.

My Shih-Tzu poo at the morning when he sees one of our family member wake up. . Unsure

and he poo and pee on newspaper whenever he want. I prefer newspaper over toilet, cause I dont want to end up step or cleaning my dogs poo when I want to use toilet. Poo newspaper. pickup and throw. easy. Frown

(This post was edited by XoXo on Nov 18, 2004, 10:59 AM)

JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 19, 2004, 2:43 AM

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wow... u guys r so nice, so sweet n so kind !!! give me so many advice... Tongue

yea, my mum will be at home but sometimes she will go out but not long... n sometimes my mum will also play mahjong, got 3-4 ppl, so my puppy will not be afraid lar... yea, i will try not to give it so much water, maybe i will keep the water bottle at around 11-12 (at night) then i will ask my maid to put it back at 7-8 morning(just put it on the cage, the puppy wont able to touch my maid, so no problem lar)... is it ok if i did that? my maid will always stay at home, n my mum usually stay at home... sometimes got business, have to go out... but i want to do it by myself, feeding the dog n toilet traing i mean... my mum just help me play with the dog n give me money to buy stuffs the pdog needs, the rest i'll do by myself... n how much each of the play pen cost? pets wonderland 1 utama sell 1 RM 30, very expensive lar... n a small cage, just enough for a rabbit or kitten(dog cannot,its too small, even chi hua hua) cost RM 50 something !!! regarding the play pen n cage, i will buy at pet shop nearby... very cheap, RM50 can buy a medium size cage, enough for shih tzu or chi hua hua... play pen i think 1 pc around RM 10-15... is it? n how long u need to tolet train your dog? need 1 months or not? anyway, thanx a lot for all your useful advice...

Justin

JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 19, 2004, 2:50 AM

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yea... but i think its a big problem letting my puppy pee n poo everywhere... many ppl can train their puppy at 2 months old... but i'll try mny best lar... hey, human can pee n poo ownself at the age of 2-4, but we can live more than 90 years old , n dogs can live until max 18 years old only... so that's probably the reason why they learn things fast at teh age of just 2 months... think of it... woah, your shih tzu very good dog ar... admire u lar, i mean not only u, many opther ppl who got dog, they manage to control their dog very well... i think i can do it too if i want... anyway, thx for ur advice...

Justin

MisterStan
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Nov 19, 2004, 11:06 AM

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hello justin

you can ask your maid to wear gloves to help take out the bowl, wash the bowl, etc. in this manner, your maid won't touch the dogs saliva...

good luck in training your doggy!!

crazymouse_yyh
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Nov 19, 2004, 12:25 PM

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Remember, puppy needs to eat 3 times a day, all must be small meals, like half cup of dog biscuit lah.... then if you are harworking, you can boil some chicken meat for the puppy, it is good for him. Puppy pen, I think my friend got sell.... but I must sak him first lah.... coz he last time told me RM15 a piece..... and he also sell dog cages I think...... but I will ask him lah....

For a puppy, you have to feed it at the same time everyday, mean 6am, you must feed at 6am or the puppy will cry coz hungry. Then lunch time, around 12 like that, another meal.... then at night around 6pm, another meal. Then play play until want to sleep, maybe can give a bit of treat like a snack for the puppy before sleep.

Shih tzus are, you don't really need to bring for walks when puppy. If you make the puppy excercise too much when young, can make the joints have problem and can make the bones weak. So do not bring it for very long walks or jogging. Whne they are puppy, all you need to do is play with it and that's enough excercise for it. When you are not at home, the puppy will be sleeping coz by nature, puppies sleep about 12-16 hours a day.

Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Frown

LIFE IS FULL OF WONDERS!

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
THEY NEED YOUR HELP AND LOVE

surchinmy
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Nov 19, 2004, 12:31 PM

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Hi ...

Your question: " ... if i lock my dog in a cage while i'm studying at school ... around 6-7 hours ... is it ok? ..."

I will assume that you will be getting a pup (say about 8 weeks old) ...

BASIC FACTS

Before answering your question ... there are some basic facts that you should know and MUST accept about a 8week pup or young dog:

(A) Young pups will pee & poop 10 to 20 times a day (at least, if not more) ... This is because their systems are not fully developed and they cannot hold their elimination ... And a pup's ability to hold will only be fully developed at say 6 to 10 months (depending on the breed & individual dog).

(B) Young pups/dogs require between 3 to 4 meals a day depending on breed. size & age. At 6 months most pups will be able to manage on 2 meals a day.

(C) ALL pups & young dogs start with a very STRONG INSTINCT - NOT TO pee or poop where they eat, play, rest & sleep ...

Now, this instinct is very useful & important ...

If you follow this instinct it is VERY EASY to housetrain a dog ...

BUT, if you create an environment that forces the dog to go AGAINST this instinct - then, you may be asking for trouble - and you will make it very very difficult to housetrain your dog ...

I estimate that about 50% of the posts in this Forum complaining about difficulty in housetraining - arise because the owners do not understand this instinct & actually "cause" their pups/dogs to go against the instinct - thus, creating housetraining problems for themselves!

KEEPING A PUP CRATED FOR LONG HOURS

So ... to answer your question - it is not about toys or chews or keeping your dog entertained while in the crate/cage ...

If you keep your pup in a crate/cage for 6 to 7 hours at a stretch ... what you are going to do is this ...

You will be FORCING your dog to do the following:

First, you will force your young pup to try hold its pee & poop, causing it to strain its undeveloped urinary & elimination systems - systems that are not strong enough to hold elimination.

Second, no matter how hard a pup tries to hold - it will be physically impossible for the pup to hold - and then you will force the pup to eliminate INSIDE the crate/cage, where it eats, rests, plays, sleeps and possibly where it eats.

Third, by doing above - you will DESTROY your dog's basic instinct & need to eliminate AWAY from the place it eats, plays, rests & sleeps.

When the above happens ... what are the possible problems you create?

1st Possible Problem: By forcing a pup to hold elimination before it is ready - you may strain & weaken its urinary & elimination systems - which may only show up when the dog is older ...

2nd Possible Problem: You may end up with a dog that eats its poop ... Being crated/caged for such long hours - it is likely your pup will start tasting its poop - and you will have a very difficult habit to get rid off.

3rd Possible Problem: You will likely end up with a dog that pees & poops anywhere ... including - inside its crate ... on its bedding, its cushions ... inside the house ... on furniture ... in the car ... etc ...

SUGGESTIONS:

(A) Ideally - if you crated or cage your pup - you must arrange to let the pup out every hour or so ... to pee & poop ... Especially after every meal ... when the pup gets up from sleep ... etc

As the pup gets older - the intervals between elimination can be longer.

(B) Alternatively, DO NOT CRATE OR CAGE - but use a playpen instead ... arrange & make the playpen large enough (layer the playpen with newspaper) such that there is enough space for your pup to go to another corner of the playpen to eliminate ... And have someone pick up the soiled newspaper regularly.

Cheers

PS - Please go and get a good dog training manual and a good puppy book - read and then you will know what you need to do to get ready for your pup.

(This post was edited by surchinmy on Nov 19, 2004, 12:42 PM)

JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 19, 2004, 5:15 PM

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u want my maid to go near the dog? huh, impossible, even new born pup also she scared, she will cry if i ask her to do that, u know, i feel like wanna kick her out of my house n find another maid that is not afraid of dog... hahaha... but anyway, thx

XoXo
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Nov 20, 2004, 12:58 PM

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If your maid still refuse to accept it.....kick her out.

After all your family is the BOSS not her. She have to work a solution for you. Not you solve problem for her.

my maid take care of all my dog/puppy poo pee thing...so I don't really have to touch those thing.

Tongue

my Shih-Tzu have 3 meals a day starting from 3 months old. But I cut it to 2 meals + some treats when he is 3&half months. (cause he getting fat, must cut lah) Tongue

JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 20, 2004, 4:58 PM

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oh, kicking her out is an easy way... but she's been with us for almost 6 years already... she's good n caring... she know us well, we like her... i wont ask her to touch my dog, its my responsibility to take care of the dog, not my maid... maybe your maid doesnt afraid of dogs, n u wont know how she feel when she did the job, maybe she hate it pretty much... but as i know, puppy have to eat 3 meals n above a day... but i think 2-3 is enough, except its an active puppy, otherwise it might get overweight...

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