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JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 16, 2004, 5:01 PM

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hi, i need some advice ; what should i prepare before i get my pup? as i know crate,old clothe,dog food,water,feeding bowl,shampoo,brush,leash... what else? i'm planning to buy my pup early december, the breed not sure yet, still doing research, there r several breeds that i love which r chi hua hua, shih tzu, mini schnauzer, poomeranian, ckcs... i think chi hua hua is te best but the price is very expensive... i'm living in condo so cannot buy large n noisy dog lar... any advice? n i also need dog breeder contact number(in KL around kepong or PJ)...



Justin

-no courage no victory-

* proud owner of fIgO*toy poodle* cHaRliE*shih tzu* and dear bingo i'll miss u always

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minglmy
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Nov 16, 2004, 5:14 PM

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Hi,

u seems to be a lil bit fickle minded on what breed is suitable for your lifestyle ..... i wud suggest that the 1st thing u shd do is

1) set a budget (since money is such an important factor for u) on how much ur willing to pay for getting the dog, theamount require on getting the necessary stuff for the puppy and look into the important factor like the long run money needed to pay for the vet's bills, grooming and etc.... if there is any to see if u can afford the dog in the long run on month to month basis. Do take note that dogs like Shih Tzu requires grooming either on a once a month thingy or on and off and each time when u groom, it cost roughtly RM 80 - 120 depending. This does not include the food that you are buying, the treats, the toys, the other accessories and the most important the vet's bills require for the 1st 3 months for all the 3 jabs.

2) Look and read through individual breed's temprement to check on suitability to what you can afford to give to the doggie in terms of care n time. Streamline from there 3 breed or so and not keep adding to the list anymore.

3) then only look for the breeder. U can call MKA for details n contact number of breeders of the breed u r looking into from them.

Good luck in your search.

cheers,
minglmy


JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 16, 2004, 5:49 PM

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yea, i've been realize that shih tzu will cost lot, n its my mum's money, not mine... so i really have to sit down n talk to her, although shih tzu is cheaper than than chi hua hua, but chi hua hua doesnt need pro grooming, juz take bath once a week, trim its nail n etc is enough, i can do it by myself, anyway, chi hua hua is my dReAm DoG...but shih tzu very cute n fluffy lar... damn confused lar... i guess chi hua ua is better for me, coz im still student, have to study, next year PMR liao, n shih tzu have to be groom everyday for at least 30 mins(many website said that)... but i guess 10 mins also enough... damn confused lar... but chi hua hua really expensive, RM1k n above ! what do u think? anyway, thanks for replying me...

cheers.

Justin

-no courage no victory-

* proud owner of fIgO*toy poodle* cHaRliE*shih tzu* and dear bingo i'll miss u always

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minglmy
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Nov 16, 2004, 6:00 PM

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Hi !

Well, since u already know abt shih tzu n grooming is ur parents prepare to pay RM 80 - 120 a month to pay for the grooming ? I think since ur parents is the one who is doing all the paying i think this will be an important factor to them. If they want Shih Tzu they must not be complaining abt the money and time spend on the dog to look nice n fluffy.

As for chi hua hua, yes they are relatively slightly more expensive but still its a one time cost to pay to get the dog... and u save on the money require for the grooming in the month to month. Have you thought of that ?

If money is a big issue .... how about a miniature pinscher ? they are slightly bigger than a chi hua hua, price is slightly cheaper in the market too.

I will post up a few post about shih tzu, chi hua hua and miniature pinscher. Take a good long read on them ya....then u tell me what u think if they are the right breed for u or not.

cheers,
minglmy


minglmy
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Nov 16, 2004, 6:06 PM

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A pint-sized canine with a macho streak

Introduction

With its big eyes, big ears, and bigger-than-life attitude, the Chihuahua is the epitome of cocky canine in a petite package.

In other words, this pint-sized pet is master of his universe and fears nothing, characteristics that make him a most suitable pet for some people and the worst possible choice for others. But a sudden spurt of popularity as the Taco Bell dog has brought notoriety, and demand for the tough and intelligent dogs has increased.

The Chihuahua has always been popular as a pet for elderly owners and apartment dwellers, so in an era when many breed registrations are declining, the number of Chihuahuas registered annually has increased from 29,860 in 1991 to 38,926 in 1997, an average increase of 1133 registered dogs per year and an overall increase of 30.4 percent. The number is hardly equivalent to the registrations of Labrador Retrievers, the breed with a lock on the number one slot for the past several years, but it has been enough to move the Chihuahua from 16th in popularity to 12th.

Breed history

The Chihuahua takes its name from the Mexican state abutting west Texas and New Mexico, but likely came from the ancient Techichi dogs of the Toltecs crossed with hairless dogs from the Orient. Historians describe the Techichi as a heavy-boned small dog with a long coat indigenous to Central America and definitely connected to the Toltec civilization near present-day Mexico City. The Techichi was larger than the modern Chihuahua and was mute.

The Aztecs conquered the Toltecs and adopted the little dogs as sacred icons of the upper classes, used in religious ceremonies to expiate sins and as guides for the spirits of the dead. Somewhere along the way, breed historian K. deBlinde* concluded, the Techichi was crossed with an Oriental hairless breed that made its way to the New World via the Bering Strait land bridge and the smaller, smooth-coated, vocal Chihuahua of today was born.

The breed was discovered in Chihuahua State in the 1850s and quickly became popular. It was first registered with the American Kennel Club in 1904.

Appearance

The Chihuahua is the smallest of the AKC registered breeds, weighing in at two-to-six pounds. No height is given in the standard, but most Chihuahuas are six-to-eight inches tall. As with many breeds, the body is slightly longer than it is tall.

The overall appearance is of a fine-boned but muscular dog. The head is distinctive with its rounded skull, large eyes, and large ears that perk upright when the dog is alert and flare out to the sides of the head when the dog is resting. The muzzle is moderately short and slightly pointed; teeth are arranged in a level or scissors bite.

The Chihuahua has a graceful neck carried with a slight arch and sloping gracefully into the shoulders. The topline is level, the ribs rounded and well-sprung, and the tail moderately long and carried up in a sickle shape or as a loop that touches the back.

Smooth-coated Chihuahuas have a soft, glossy, and close coat that is full over the body and scanty on the head and ears. The long-coated dogs have a longer soft coat that can be flat or slightly curly and must have an undercoat. The tail on a longcoat resembles a plume; the ears, feet, and legs are feathered; and the neck carries a ruff. Either coat can be any solid color or can be marked or splashed with color on a white background.

Temperament

The official AKC standard for the breed describes the Chihuahua as “A graceful, alert, swift-moving little dog with saucy expression, compact, and with terrier-like qualities of temperament.” However, some Chihuahuas carry “saucy” and “terrier-like” to extremes and are grumpy, haughty, or downright nasty when provoked – and provocation may come easy.

The tendency to be temperamental, a reputation for being suspicious of everyone but his owner, and a clannish dislike of any breed but his own makes the Chihuahua an unsuitable pet for households with small or boisterous children. On the other hand, he may be perfect for an elderly couple or individual, a pet owner who loves to pamper, those who live in apartments, and those on limited incomes.

Unfortunately, the Chihuahua’s innate curiosity, intelligence, and loyalty to and affection for his owner often get lost in the oft-repeated description of the more prominent features of his temperament, but in the right circumstances, he is a wonderful companion.

Health

This is a long-lived breed, often achieving 16 or more years of age. However, there are some genetic diseases that can cause problems. Like most toy breeds, the Chihuahua is susceptible to slipped stifles (a knee injury caused by joint weakness) and fractures and may suffer from jawbone disorders, eye problems, heart disease, and tooth and gum complaints. The potential for some of these problems can be minimized by buying from a breeder who tests breeding stock for inheritable problems and by careful management. For example, Chihuahuas should not be allowed to jump off high furniture or out of your arms as the impact on landing could fracture a leg. Children should not be allowed to carry a Chihuahua or to play roughly with one for the same reason.

The Chihuahua is also born with a soft spot on the top of his head that may not fully close, so a blow here could kill him.

The Chihuahua tendency to shiver or tremble is not a health issue but takes place when the dog is excited or stressed. One explanation is the toy dogs have a higher metabolism and so dissipate body heat faster than larger dogs. Shivering helps to generate body heat – that’s why people shiver when we are cold. However, rapid dissipation of body heat is a distinct disadvantage in cool or cold climates, so Chihuahuas should always be protected when taken outdoors in these areas. Fortunately, there are dozens of styles of protective sweaters available.

The Chihuahua as pet

The Chihuahua’s loyalty and affinity for being close to his master or mistress makes him an amiable companion, and his size makes him a convenient one. Chihuahuas have been known to ride about inside a pocket, in a purse or tote bag, or tucked firmly under the arm of their owners. They fit nicely in soft-sided pet carriers for an airplane ride or a jaunt in the car, and they enjoy outings immensely.

At home the Chihuahua is curious and mischievous. Left to his own devices, the little guy might decorate the entire house with a roll of toilet paper, make confetti out of the mail, or commandeer your bed or favorite chair as his own. Although he is not much bigger than a minute, he could also wind up as master of the household, for he can manipulate owners with great finesse.

Chihuahuas have a distinct liking for others of their own breed and an equally distinct dislike for dogs of other breeds. Therefore, if you want more than one dog, make the additional dogs Chihuahuas. And if you already have a dog of another breed, consider carefully before getting a Chihuahua.

Dangers

Like other small dogs, the Chihuahua faces a danger outdoors that does not threaten his canine cousins that weigh more than 15 pounds – he is just the right size for a meal for a bird of prey or a coyote. Large hawks, eagles, and owls have been known to swoop down on pets and carry them away, and coyotes are becoming a common danger in some city fringes and suburbs.

The indomitable spirit of the Chihuahua also causes problems when the little dog spars with a large breed dog, especially one with a dominant personality or a high prey drive. It is best to always keep a Chihuahua on a leash or carried in arms so it cannot challenge a big dog to a duel it will surely lose.

Finding a well-bred Chihuahua

The Taco Bell dog has made it easier to find poorly-bred Chihuahuas to meet the demand of those folks who do not carefully select a breed to fit their family. That obviously self-confident and trainable little guy has lulled many families with children into thinking the breed is perfect for them, and they trot down to the nearest pet store or let their fingers do the walking through the newspaper ads or on the Internet. However, puppies purchased from these sources may be bred for profit without concern for health or temperament and the breeders and dealers may know next to nothing that will help a family choose wisely or cope with the breed temperament or needs once they get the puppy home.

Responsible breeders are adamant about finding good homes for their puppies. Most responsible Chihuahua breeders – indeed most breeders of toy dogs – rarely place a puppy in a home with children under the age of 12. But like most other toy breeds, Chihuahuas have small litters – often only one or two puppies – so the number of puppies available from responsible breeders (those who check parent dogs for genetic abnormalities, back their puppies with warranties, support puppy buyers with advice and assistance, and breed only dogs of good temperament) are often scarce. So, in spite of the appeal of the Taco Bell dog, families should carefully consider if the breed is right for them and should seek out a sturdier dog of more moderate temperament if they have young children.

cheers,
minglmy


minglmy
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Nov 16, 2004, 6:10 PM

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Royal dignity and loving affection

Introduction

There's much talk in recent years about maintaining the original working abilities of various dog breeds. The American Kennel Club has hunting tests and trials for the sporting dogs and beagles, herding tests and trials for herding dogs and Samoyeds, go-to-ground tests for terriers, and lure coursing events for sighthounds. The Newfoundland club has water trials and draft tests and the Dalmatian club includes events on horseback that prove the breed's stamina. And owners of German Shepherds, Rottweilers, and some other working breeds participate in schutzhund trials to prove endurance, intelligence, and guardian ability of their dogs.

The toy breeds need no such elaborate events or exhaustive training that gets them ready for competition — each and every one excels at the job it was bred to do without long hours of preparation. These are the ultimate companions, developed and bred as pets, and the Shih Tzu's joy for life and unsurpassed royal bearing make him one of the most popular of the group.

The Shih Tzu (pronounced Shid Zoo in singular and plural) comes by his regal attitude quite honestly, for he was developed as a favored pet of Chinese emperors of the Manchu Dynasty from the middle of the 19th Century. But his history begins centuries earlier, as one of Tibet's "lion dogs," an exclusive group of dogs bred by Buddhist monks that includes the Lhasa Apso and Tibetan Spaniel. In 1850, as was their custom, the monks sent several of their treasured temple dogs to Manchu emperors in Peking, and the Chinese called these dogs Tibetan Shih Tzu Kou, or Tibetan Lion Dog. The dogs were bred specifically to please the emperors in each palace, and type varied.

In 1908, the Dalai Lama, Tibet's spiritual leader, sent some small dogs of Shih Tzu type to Tzu Hsi, Dowager Empress of the Manchu Dynasty. The Empress was a renowned breeder of Pekingese and added the Shih Tzu to her interests. At this time, three types of dogs were bred as palace companions with little difference in type but with different coat length. Tzu Hsi closely supervised the initial Shih Tzu breeding to maintain breed characteristics separate from the Pekingese, but after her death that same year, breeding practices became sloppy and cross-breedings with Pekingese and Pugs probably occurred.

For the next four years, there was much competition among the various palaces to produce dogs of the finest coats and colors, so breeding practices were tightly guarded secrets and records were not kept. Dogs of poor quality were sold in the marketplace, and dogs of fine quality were often smuggled out of the palaces and given as gifts to foreign visitors or Chinese noblemen. Breed identity was often confused.

The Manchu Dynasty perished in 1912 when Tzu's successor abdicated to revolutionary forces that eventually established the Communist government in China. Many of the royal dogs were slaughtered during the stormy months that followed.

Shih Tzu found their way west to England when Lady Brownrigg discovered the breed in Peking in 1930. Originally classified as "Apsos," the Shih Tzu was ruled a separate breed by The Kennel Club by 1935. American soldiers stationed in England during World War II became enchanted with the little dogs and brought some back to the US. The breed was not recognized by the AKC until 1969, so those first imported dogs were often registered as and crossbred with Lhasa Apsos. AKC requires six generations of pure breeding after an outcross to establish a breed as unsullied, so the early Lhasa crosses in this country and a deliberate cross with Pekingese in England in 1952 delayed US recognition.

A real Shih Tzu

Such a bumpy beginning for the breed has not hurt its ultimate popularity. In 1994, the Shih Tzu was the 12th most popular dog of AKC's 139 breeds with more than 37 thousand new individual registrations. Only two toy breeds, the Pomeranian and the Yorkshire Terrier, are higher on the list at numbers 10 and 11 respectively.

This popularity and the dog's convenient size have led to two serious threats to the Shih Tzu's integrity — puppy mill production and crossbreeding with Toy Poodles to produce the Shih-poo. Fuzzy Shih-Tzu puppies are often found in pet stores, and Shih-poos are favorites of mass production kennels that have several small breeds.

If you want a Shih-Tzu, check out the breed standard before buying. This word-picture of the breed will help you decide if the pups or adults you are looking at are true representatives of the breed.

The Shih-Tzu attitude is lively, alert, proud, and somewhat stubborn. The general appearance of the breed is that of a small, compact, sturdy dog with luxurious coat, upright head, jaunty step, and plumed, curved tail flowing over the back. Ideal height is nine to 10.5 inches at the withers, but ranges from eight to 11 inches. Ideal weight is nine to 16 pounds, depending on height.

The head is round, broad, and wide between the eyes, and in balance with the rest of the dog. The dark eyes are large and round; the ears are natural and heavily feathered; the muzzle is square, short and unwrinkled, and flat; lips and chin should neither protrude nor recede. The jaw is undershot -- the incisors of the lower jaw overlap the incisors of the upper jaw.

The Shih Tzu body is slightly longer than tall, its legs straight and muscular, and its feet firm and well-padded.

The lavish double coat is the breed's crowning glory. A well-groomed Shih Tzu in natural coat is a picture of perky elegance with flowing tresses framing an impish face and body hair brushing the floor. Pet Shih Tzus often have their hair trimmed so it does not drag, but at ringside, the dogs often sit on velvet or satin pillows or are carried in exhibitor's arms to keep their coats off dusty floors.

The Shih Tzu coat can be any color or mixture, although the Dowager Empress preferred honey gold with the Buddhist white splash on the forehead. Many Shih Tzu are white with colored markings.

Temperament and training

Although he is generally outgoing and friendly, the Shih Tzu definitely has an attitude that cries to be spoiled. If you need help in realizing this fact, the dog will steer you in the right direction with his self-assurance that he should be treated like a king. Indeed, his strong sense of self makes him a poor choice in a household with babies or small children. He is often jealous of babies and toddlers and may snap if bothered by rambunctious children. However, he is a fine companion for older children, particularly those who enjoy combing his hair.

Shih Tzu are active and alert, qualities that make them good watchdogs. However, poorly bred dogs of the breed can be excitable, noisy, and snappy.

Shih Tzu are intelligent, and can be trained for obedience competition and for good manners around the home. They can be stubborn, so persistence and consistency are definite plusses in training methods. Punishment makes this dog shut down, so training should also be low-key and motivational.*

Health and care

Basically healthy, the Shih Tzu is subject to a kidney disease called renal dysplasia and to slipped stifles or kneecaps. His slightly protruding eyes are prone to injury, and his short muzzle often produces slight wheezing problems.

Otherwise, his greatest problems are connected to his profuse coat, or rather to neglect of that coat. A well-groomed Shih Tzu has few if any skin problems; a poorly-groomed Shih Tzu can develop tangles, painful mats, hot spots, skin infections, even maggot infestations. If you do not have time to groom a Shih Tzu at least every other day, select another breed.

If you do have time for grooming and appreciate a small, lively pet with an abundance of self-esteem, consider the Shih Tzu. You'll be glad you did.

cheers,
minglmy


minglmy
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Nov 16, 2004, 6:16 PM

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King of Toys or court jester, this tiny might needs a firm hand and a sense of humor

Forget the image of toy dogs as fragile and in need of pampering when considering the Miniature Pinscher. This delicate-looking little dog has a constitution of steel and an impish character that can reduce the overbearing owner to tears of frustration, for he will rule the roost with a tiny iron paw if allowed to do so.

Unlike the Miniature Poodle, which is a scaled-down version of the Standard Poodle, the Min Pin is not a smaller version of anything, especially the much-larger Doberman Pinscher. Both may have descended from the German Pinscher, a medium-sized black and tan dog bred to control vermin in the barnyard, but there the relationship ends. The Doberman includes Rottweiler and perhaps the Black and Tan Terrier; the Min Pin reportedly came from crosses with breeds as diverse as the Dachshund1 and the Italian Greyhound.

Part of the confusion in origin comes from the word "pinscher," which is a descriptive term like "terrier" or "setter" that denotes the dog's method of working, not his heritage. In German, "pinscher" means "biter" and derives from the dog's habit of jumping on and fiercely biting its quarry. The German pinscher family includes the Affenpinscher, a toy breed with a wiry coat, and the schnauzers.1 The name may also be borrowed from the English "pincher," meaning "one who seizes or pinches."

The Min Pin is also not related to the Manchester Terrier in either the standard or toy sizes. The Manchester is an English breed; the Min Pin hails from Germany.

So what is the Min Pin? It is a diminutive dog with an elegant way of going, a spunky dog with a sense of humor, an energetic dog with a bouncy personality that brightens days and sometimes causes apoplexy in its owners. Bred to keep farm kitchens free of mice and rats, this little guy can be ferocious when necessary and scrappy on a whim.

In short, as breeders and owners say, the Min Pin is not for everyone.

The Miniature Pinscher ranked 23 in litters registered with the American Kennel Club with 7650 litters in 1993, up from 6889 litters the previous year. The breed also ranked 29 in individual registrations with 14,987 in 1993, up from 13,353 in 1992. The increase can be attributed to several factors, including the breed's perfect size for apartment dwelling and the saying among breeders and owners that, if this is the breed that captures your fancy, "you can't have just one."

Physical appearance.

The Miniature Pinscher ranges from 10-12.5 inches in height with the preferred size being 11-11.5 inches. Dogs shorter than 10 inches or taller than 12.5 inches are disqualified from the show ring. Males are square-bodied; females may be slightly longer than tall.

The whole picture of the Min Pin is one of refined elegance, both standing still and moving. The strong but not coarse head, slightly arched neck, level topline, and sleek, well-muscled body give the little dog the appearance of strength in a Lilliputian package. The coat is smooth, hard, straight, and lustrous in solid red, stag red (with black hairs intermingling), black-and-rust, or chocolate-and-rust. The rust markings are well-defined, not bleeding into the black or chocolate and are found on cheeks, lips, lower jaw, throat, lower half of forelegs, inside of hind legs and lower portion of hocks and feet, and in twin spots above the eyes and on the chest. Small spots of white not to exceed one-half inch in size are acceptable. Any other color or pattern is a disqualification, as is a thumb-print of black or chocolate on a rust leg. The thumb-print is associated with the Manchester Terrier and is prohibited in the Min Pin.

Min Pin ears are usually cropped2 but can be left natural. The tail is always docked.

The high-stepping gait of the Min Pin completes the picture of grace and style and reminds observers of the flashy gait of hackney horses bred to pull the carriages of upper class Europeans and southern gentlemen. Moderate shoulder angulation and good reach in front coupled with strong hindquarters lend to the naturally flamboyant trot.

Temperament

Min Pin temperament is described in the breed standard as "fearless animation, complete self-possession, and spirited presence." These qualities often lead to problems with unsuspecting first-time owners.

"This is not a lapdog breed," writes Michelle Lowell in Your Purebred Puppy. "He can be so much the temperamental tyrant when overly accommodated that spoiling is not recommended."

"You should find dynamite in a small package or something is wrong," according to a pamphlet from the Miniature Pinscher Club of America.

The Min Pin is curious, suspicious of strangers, vigorous, curious, inquisitive, funny, fearless, curious, energetic, and curious. He will escape from confinement whenever possible to satisfy his curiosity and indulge his need for activity.

Min Pin breeders recommend that buyers purchase an exercise pen with a lid for backyard respites as the tiny dog will leap out of a pen in the blink of an eye and can disappear before a human can react. The tiny dogs are so quick that they should never be allowed outside the yard unless carried or attached to a leash. He should also be watched whenever a door is opened, for he will take advantage of every opportunity to explore.

Although it is a tough and gingerly breed, the Min Pin cannot withstand the rough-and-tumble play of boisterous children. Even though he may bound from sofa to chair to floor and back again, the Min Pin is not sturdy enough for rough handling. However, he does well with older, well-behaved children.

The Min Pin may be the King of Toys, but he must learn from an early age that he is not King of the House. Walking on a leash, coming when called, and standing on a table are probably the most important lessons to be learned. Since obedience training is a must, the owner may as well put his time and effort to good use and work towards obedience titles. Shirley Meyers and Paula Lacker, both local Min Pin breeders, also train and compete in obedience classes. Meyers is working her champion bitch Charm towards a utility title; they have already earned a companion dog excellent, the second title in the triumvirate.

Firm, persistent, consistent, and gentle are the operative words in Min Pin training. No harsh corrections and no "He's so cute (or tiny), I can't bear to correct him," for both these extreme attitudes will result in disaster. Once the dog realizes he can't bluff you with his antics, he'll most likely come to enjoy the training time and the opportunity to please. On the other hand, the Miniature Pinscher Club of America offers this: "As typical of the Min Pin personality, the more a crowd laughs, the more he will mis-perform!" So don't opt for this breed unless you have a keen sense of comedy and can take a joke.

The Min Pin needs a room of his own to which he can be confined when he cannot be supervised. Since he can easily climb on furniture_ even tables and counters if he's determined to do so -- any small item that he may steal or choke on should be put away. This means no tubes of lip balm, pens and pencils, bowls of hard candy, children's toys, combs, paper clips, coins, etc. -- in short, anything that the dog can pick up and carry off.

Health and care

In spite of its tiny size and fine bones, the Min Pin is a hardy, healthy dog with few genetic problems. He is susceptible to generalized progressive retinal atrophy, an inherited eye abnormality that eventually causes blindness. However, he may suffer from unintentional rough handling of a child and should never be dropped, even from sofa-height, even though he might jump from the same height on his own.

Coat care is minimal. A brisk rubdown with a hand mitt or towel ensures a shiny coat. Frequent baths are not necessary and may dry the skin; instead, the dog can be wiped down with a washcloth dampened with warm water. Always make sure the dog is dry before an outdoor excursion.

As with other breeds, teeth should be kept clean and nails trimmed to avoid problems.

Because of its small size, bright attitude, and high-stepping gait, the Min Pin is a favorite of pet stores. At a recent dispersal of a commercial kennel, more than 50 Min Pins were sold. Obviously, anyone interested in raising puppies for money can fit many Min Pins in a small space. However, they cannot possibly give the puppies the attention they need and deserve in order to become well-adjusted family pets. Furthermore, small dogs raised in crates and cages without opportunity to walk on different surfaces, exposure to the sights and sounds of daily living, or basic housetraining is likely to be fearful of new experiences and difficult to teach appropriate defecation and urination habits.

cheers,
minglmy


kelsey
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Nov 16, 2004, 9:25 PM

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well suprisingly large dogs won't bark as much as most toysSmile but if u have large dogs in condo, u have to be rajin to walk the dog everyday. but if ur condo don't allow dog, then maybe small dog is ok lah cause easy to sneak it out.

if i were u, i will probably consider min pin, they are more elegant than chihuahua (no offenceSly) and also less work than a shih tzu. they too despite the size make excellent guard dog. they are also cheap and economical to feed. i wanted a min pin before but we bought a GR instead as i love big dogs and living in a condo but walk my dog everyday.(sacrifices lah)


JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 16, 2004, 10:56 PM

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well, i dunno why i love chi hua hua n shih tzu so much, the first time i see them , i quickly fall in love with them, like love at first sight...lol i think i will not choose mini pin, i dunno why... saw many ad on star metro, there's a breeder selling chi hua hua(4 months old) for RM1200, is it too expensive? n my friend said we have to start training puppy at the age of 2 months, is it true? he also said that 4 months old very hard to train... n a woman selling her shih tzus for RM650 xcert, RM800 w/cert. n a man selling his shih tzus for RM800 xcert, RM1200 w/cert. i ask him what's the difference between x cert n w/cert, he said shih tzu with no cert r often bigger n not so nice, n shih tzu with cert is smaller n nicer... is it true? but my bro's gf got shih tzu also, n she said no need 30 mins a day, juz 10 mins enough already... i guess no need pro grooming every month lar, 1 year 3-5 times enough lar... anyway, thanks for all your useful information about chi hua hua, shih tzu n mini pin... btw, what dogs do u have? u have shih tzu also? n do u think training a 4-5 months old puppy will be difficult? especially potty training... u know, u r so kind lar... give me so many useful tips... thanks a lot !!! anyway, do u really know what's teh difference between dogs with cert n dogs with x cert? maybe their parents n background...

Justin

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kelsey
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Nov 17, 2004, 8:55 AM

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well it's based on preference that u like those 2 dogs mahSmile you have to ask chi & shih owners if the price is right since i won't be able to tell you that. well yes you start training it when 2 months. 4 months not too say very hard lah but you need more work training. some breeds though are harder to train than others.

actually what cert does that person mean? bloodline cert or MKA?

shih tzu do need grooming regularly, pro grooming means trimming nails, trimming the fur as it can get long. i think u thanking mingmly as she has given you good intro about the breed. you have to type her nickname on the subject so the reply get to her.

i have a golden retriever, wonderful dog, potty train when she was 9 1/2 weeks. it's not difficult to train 4 - 5 months old puppy, but it will be harder, training doggie doesnt end when it becomes an adult, if u r rajin u can teach ur dog tricks.

well good luck and i hope u can find the right doggie for you


JuStiN'doGgIe
Canine Addict


Nov 17, 2004, 12:20 PM

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welll, now there's another kind pppl... its kelsey !!! thx a lot guys... chi hua hua at least also RM1200, dunno wethr i can afford to but it or not, but i really love chi hua hua... Unsure but shih tzu is cheaper, but when i look back, there's many other things that cost a lot, for exampla, grooming... huh...



justin


crazymouse_yyh
Doggyman


Nov 17, 2004, 5:49 PM

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Hey, you know what? I got my shih tzu when I was only 9 years old... can you imagine that? I'm now 19 which means my dogs has been woith em for 10 years and I can tell you that having a shih tzu is great fun!

You said a lady was selling with cert for RM800, that is cheap! But you also must see the puppies and puppies's parents first so that you will know how the pup you choose will look like in the future. My advice is you go and see a few breeders and then only buy when you feel your heart cry for that puppy. The man that said cert is smaller and no cert is bigger and not nice.... that is total rubbish!!!!! It depends actually. If the pup's parents are champion bloodlines, yes, the pup will look like the parents and have beautiful markings and size.... but some people don't breed champions like that, they prefer to just breed from dogs with the cert, just making the puppy certified only but the puppy may not be nice, maybe too big or too small, maybe health problems and so on. Some puppies without certs look nice but you will not know the parentage of the puppy and there might be some mix blood in th puppy so you are not gauranteed the pure breed of the puppy.

Grooming a shih tzu is easy, if you do get one, I can teach you how to cut the hair and clean the eyes.... no need to go groomer and you save money too. The technique I teach you, it is easy and the haircut will be good enough for you to groom 2 or 3 times a week! and each grooming session only takes 10 minutes!


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Frown LIFE IS FULL OF WONDERS!

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JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 17, 2004, 7:02 PM

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wow... 10 years man... so how's ur dog now, hope its healthy... well, ur dog is toilet trained ar? or just pee n poo everywhere..? do u have the picture of ur dog? i wanna see lar, i want to know how shih tzu will look like when they grew up... i like black n white shih tzu... very nice... tri colour also... ur dog got cert or not? u must be very good in grooming dogs... but how many times we should cut shih tzu's hair? once a week? once a month? think every 2-3 months once enough lar... but i think shih tzu's hair should be brush everyday... right? but shih tzu easy to train or not? especially toilet train, that's the most importatnt thing for me... i dun wnat my dog to be dirty... but i'm living in apartment, i scared it will grow too big... u got the pic or not? show me lar... n one more thing, how can i see ppl's avatar?



Justin


crazymouse_yyh
Doggyman


Nov 17, 2004, 9:11 PM

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I've attached my shih tzu's pic when he was 3 years old and in my photo album, you can see him at 10 years old. Go to photos.yahoo.com/yuinhun_yyh

My dog is toilet trained, he never pee or poo in the house, he will go out by himself or if I command him to go outside and do his business. My dog has a cert, last time very hard to find a pure shih tzu so my dad made sure got cert to certify that the dog is pure.

We should cut the hari once in 2 months or once a month, depending on how long you want it.... you'll have to brush it everyday if you keep the fur medium lenght or long but if you keep it puppy cut like mine, you will only need to comb him 3 times a week. Very simple and easier for us.

All dogs easy to train, the key is, is the owner dedicated to train or not.... Every dog aims to please and learn from owner so you have to be a good owner in order to have a well behaved dog. Shih tzu easy to train because they love to please you and follow you everywhere. Shih tzus rarely get dirty so it is a good breed for apartment. It will not grow big, he will be the size of a large cat.

People's avatar is always available to see by looking through the thread. If you can't, means your computer cannot read it.


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Frown LIFE IS FULL OF WONDERS!

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
THEY NEED YOUR HELP AND LOVE
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JuStiN'doGgIe
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Nov 17, 2004, 11:26 PM

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woah, all your dogs r really cuteee... even the big dogs also... i noticed that u got labrador retriever, boxer n shih tzu... am i right? all looks very nice n gentle... u cut your dog's hair all by urself? wow... u r so lucky, got so many dogs... i want to have one also cannot... now i settle with my dad already... finally, he said a 'yes'... but my mum, i'm still begging her, my dad will be helping him, she wants me to do more research, coz my whole family dunno anything about dogs except me lar... hehehe... i think can lar, my dad said yes already mah, husband talk to wife wor, easier lar... all ur dogs looks really clean, how often u bath ur dogs? do u got any help from ur family? u do everything all by urself?

Justin


XoXo
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Nov 18, 2004, 10:31 AM

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I got a Shih-Tzu maltese mix. Tongue Quite a handsome guy.

For grooming it is very easy one. Only spend about 10 to 15 minutes you can groom it nicely yourself. No need to ask people to do grooming. Take a bath for her like every 1~2 weeks. No need to do it everyday, you might spoil puppy skin if you bath it everyday.


mini schnauzer and mini pinscher is two different dog. Don't mix it up! For my advice! Don't get a mini-pinscher if you want a quiet dog. They sucks!

mini schnauzer is not as small as shih-Tzu and chi-hua-hua. Its size is about a mini poodle.

Grooming isn't much a problem if you know how to do it. You will learn it when you own a puppy.

I recommend Shih-Tzu even my one is mix. he look pretty amazing and never give me any unwanted barks.


crazymouse_yyh
Doggyman


Nov 18, 2004, 12:52 PM

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Hahaha.. it is all up to the family. My dogs look nice because my whole fanily helps out! My dad baths and feeds the boxers, my brother takes care of my lab and I take care of my shih tzu. The big dogs bath once in 2 or 3 weeks coz they rarely get dirty. To keep a shih tzu in top condition, you have to bath it once a week.

Yes, I cut my dog's hair by myself, was cutting for him since I was 12 years old hahaha..... everything I thought myself coz cheaper and the dog will be more trusting. So, if you get a shih tzu, I can teach you how to cut the fur. All you need is a pair of scissors and metal comb. That's all!!!!

Read Star Metro, got a person selling shih tzu for RM450 I think.... you can check it out.

If your dad has agreed yes, then sure will have a dog in no time lah. Tell your mom a shih tzu is very easy to take care in an apartment and when it get older, lagi better coz it will become a very obedient dog in future.

Besides 4 dogs, I also have about 28 other pets.


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Frown LIFE IS FULL OF WONDERS!

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
THEY NEED YOUR HELP AND LOVE


JuStiN'doGgIe
Canine Addict


Nov 19, 2004, 1:58 AM

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yea. think i better buy shih tzu, not just because both of u advice me, but since chi hua hua is so expensive, i guess shih tzu is better... n i know a lot of things about shih tzu coz in puppy.com, many ppl own shih tzu... chi hua hua a few only... but if my parents can afford chi hua hua, i maybe will buy chi hua hua... but i will keep on doing research... today afetr going to pets wonderland, i went to my mum's friend house, she got a maltese, n i tried grooming(brush its hair n tied it up) n i think its really fun !!! the dog looks really beautiful... starting to love them even more !!! but shih tzu is quite active, n next year i will have to go to school, in that period(while im in school), i have to lock it up or i will buy play pen for it, coz my maid very scared of dog... is it ok? i'm afraid that it might be too bored, but i will give it some toys to play, n after school, i will let it out until sleep time... is it ok? but before i go to school, i will play with iot lar... hey, u r so kind, read ad for me... i also got read, i read it everday, yea, very cheapRM 450, just 10 weeks... but why so cheap leh? i scared its not a purebreed or got health problem... RM800 also got... but i called one of them, they said shih tzu without cert will be bigger n uglier... i dun believe lar... what ?! u still got 28 pets? what pets? fish? hamster? so lucky...

Justin


crazymouse_yyh
Doggyman


Nov 19, 2004, 12:15 PM

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Aiyah, whatever dog is also good. But Chihuahua, yes lah, it is expensive and very hard to find a good breed. But I never lie to you abouit shih tzu, they are really great dogs and have excellent personality.

Don't worry, as long as your mom is at home and got maid for the up to see, you can lock it when you are at school. I was also like you, I also lock up my dog when I'm at shcoll and play with him when I get home. So you don't have to worry about the puppy if your houses got someone at home everyday. You buy a few toys and then maybe a teddybear for it to play, sure ok wan....

To make sure the shih tzu is pure, you have to see the mother dog and father dog. If you see mother dog and father dog is shih tzu, then the puppies will be shih tzu. Even with cert, some pupies will grow up not look like a pure shih tzu. It won't be ugly unless the breeder mix it with terrier or some other breeds and it will never look like a pure wan. All you need to do is call the breeder, ask to see the father dog and mother dog. How to see if the dogs are the puppy's parent? If the puppy is same colour like the the father or mother, then it is the puppy's parents. Some people will sell cheap coz they don't want to make much money and maybe the shih tzu gave birth by accident.... but those sell very high and no cert ah, means that they want money lah.... so you have to go and see the breeder and where the puppies stay and the parents of the puppies also.

I got ah, dogs, cat, fish, mice, gerbil, parrots, chickens, ducks, rabbits, tortoises and turtle.




Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Frown LIFE IS FULL OF WONDERS!

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
THEY NEED YOUR HELP AND LOVE


JuStiN'doGgIe
Canine Addict


Nov 19, 2004, 5:22 PM

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oh ok... if i want to see the pup's parents, but if they lie to me n show me other dog leh (shih tzu) ? n how many times a puppy will pee n poo a day? midnight(around 2-7 am) they will pee n poo or not? if i let it pee n poo at 12 am, cant it hold until 8 am? n is RM800 expensive? at pets wonderland they sell RM 1539 !!! i cant afford that... i mean my parents... i got tortoise(i found it in a deep drain) n 9 gold fishes...


XoXo
Novice

Nov 20, 2004, 12:51 PM

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tell you the truth...

Shih -Tzu maltese mix is actually look better in my oppinion. Cause they got maltese big eyes. Tongue

I had compare mine with many pure breed shih- tzu out there. It seems none of them have better bigger rounder eyes than my one. Tongue


JuStiN'doGgIe
Canine Addict


Nov 20, 2004, 5:55 PM

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yea, sometimes mix breed can be very beautiful, for example, mini schnauzer, its a mix breed !!! but because of ???( i also dunno), they r now pure breed...


crazymouse_yyh
Doggyman


Nov 20, 2004, 10:41 PM

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Ah... not many shih tzus have big eyes.... you have not seen my shih tzu eyes, they are so big, like gonna pop out soon hahahahah......

Anyway, mix is good also coz will get less genetic problems......

Are u interested in getting another? There is this shih tzu mix I saw, very very beautiful..... no cert but damn nice.... and damn small for a 3 month old. Petshop lah but ah, the owner is a dog lover, jaga it everyday like her own dog...... it is so small and white too.... and very lovely eyes.


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Frown LIFE IS FULL OF WONDERS!

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
THEY NEED YOUR HELP AND LOVE


crazymouse_yyh
Doggyman


Nov 20, 2004, 10:45 PM

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You will know if the shih tzus are the parents wan. Look at the colour, the pattern of the colour and also see whether the mother sayang the puppies, if the mother doesn't like the puppies, it means fake lah so don't buy. And the mother dog's breast will be large and hanging, like kena pulled wan.....

Puppy will not control their pee and poo very well, when small ah, they will do mistakes a lot but they larn very fast and will pee and poo on time wan. When you first get your puppy, it can pee and pee every hour, but when they sleep, they won't lah but to be safe, you have to cage it loh. That's why I told you to buy a cage. Rm800 is a good price... my shih tzu cost my dad RM1100 ah.... so RM800 is good if got cert, no cert also ok lah....


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Frown LIFE IS FULL OF WONDERS!

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
THEY NEED YOUR HELP AND LOVE


JuStiN'doGgIe
Canine Addict


Nov 21, 2004, 2:46 AM

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hahaha... how u know the mother's breast(or let us say, nipple) will hanging like kena pulled wan? u always see ar... yerrrrrr... hahaha... yea, RM800 is a good price, i made my decision already... shih tzu !!! kesian my parents lar, RM1k something wor, yes, they can afford it, but its too expensive lar... shih tzu is also expensive, but compared to chi hua2, its a lot more cheaper... n having a shih tzu can be really fun, like grooming them... very cute n nice... i'll surely buy a cage, n i'll put in in the kitchen, ok or not? i dun want to put it in living room, i want it too biasa getting alone, because i got school, taht time no ppl, except my maid, my little brother n sometimes my mum lor... n i want my shih tzu's hair to be long, like my mum's hair, i'll tie it with different style, like all the 'hao' girls in my school, hahaha... but i think next months only can but, my parents got own business, n next month only they will get money, but actually now can buy, but many they have to pay money for the stocks, if buy this month they will ask me to buy cheap dog, like mini pin... next month only lar, then i will buy whatever i want... n i'll use tghis month to prepare... but i really scared my mum will say no leh, if really terpaksa, i will ask them to buy me hamster, to show them wether i could take care of a pet or not, ten when they change their mind, i'll force my younger brother to keep the hamster for me n i will buy a puppy ! good idea right? hahaha...

Justin

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