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stanleywong
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bosco
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Hi ! we just got a 8 week old GSD "Bosco"

he is a hand full,,any important suggestion for this breed of dog?? i used to have one when i was 14,,,but turn out to be bad experience,,we did not know the importantce of socialization,,when he reached 1 year old he had hardley meet any people or dogs,,,and was very aggressif by fear...by 4 yrs old we took the decision to put him down for i felt i could not control him,,,,,hardest thing i ever had to do in my life even t'ill this day,,,,with bosco i am trying a much as possible to let him see the world,,and people,"So far going well" but I am still very fearfull that history might repeat...


stanleywong
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stanleywong
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hi congra to have a 8 weeks old puppy. i'm sorry of your bad experience of having a fear gsd b4, actually all dogs are having different character, so don't worry it is not goin to happen again! i suggest u start to bring him out to meet more people after 3 months , because the puppy has the period of fear during 8 to 10 weeks sometimes latter, also puppy should not have too many socialization when he is too young.

anyway gsd is not too difficult to look after , if u really love him!! good luck

stanley


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Yes, socialization is the key.

Recently we had a gathering where some 30 dogs of all breeds had a chance to meet each other and socialize. All the dogs except one happily meet each other and a lot of them were able to go off leash. No barking or fighting. The one that had problem is a Great Dane that has not met much dogs during her life so far and has to be tied to a pole and keep on barking. As long as you continue to socialize your GSD with other Human and other Canine, you will not likely to end up with the same problem with Bosco.


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neurotoxicz
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Apr 11, 2003, 3:31 AM

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CoolGreetings.



I'm going to get a GSD soon hopefully if i can find a suitable one that's bout 2 months old and then also a suitable price but that's not the point.

I want to ask from you experienced people.As you can see in my other posts(though no one has replied to them, ...Frown) I have other dogs too[one local dog,2 terriers and a Dachshund].I have a few things to ask....

1) Will the dogs fight?I'm sure the big dog (local) will fight for leadership with GSD since they are bigger breeds.

2)One question that has been running in my head all this while is socialization.Yes.You must socialize your dog like what they say in books and many of you BUT what if there are intruders in my house?The main purpose of a GSD in my house is to guard my house at night.If it's too friendly with people it's useless at home!What's the point if you have a useless guard dog that wags its tail at other people when the person is an intruder???...

3)My local dogs and other dogs are not trained so if i train my GSD,will the other dogs give bad influence to my GSD not to listen to my commands because i'm planning to train my GSD really well and i hope i can succeed.Smile

4)I'm going to let the GSD and local dog out at night so how do i introduce them or make them not fight or cause trouble at night?



I hope all my questions can be answered and dilemmas cleared.I'm sure many of the members in puppy.com have priceless advice and experience.Thanks and thank you for your time.Wink


mhazman
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Apr 11, 2003, 5:07 PM

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Here's my 2 cts. worth...

1.If your local big dog is the dominant one your future puppy should be able to respect the peck order until its big enough to challenge that. But if you train and socialize the puppy well, it will grow into an obedient, social and a guard dog as well.
2.Good guard dogs should be protective of its area or handler and wary of strangers. They need a considerable level of defense drive to work effectively
and defense is in the genes, Not trainable... So get the right dog/puppy and you have a good start..
3. That depends on how well its trained on distractions.
4. If they are raised together (not dog aggressive)and respect the peck order with you at the top then its quite safe except when there's a female in heat.!!!
And that's my advice to you. Others may want to differ.

Rgds
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neurotoxicz
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Thanks for the advice.Can i have more advice from other people?The more the better.Thanks.
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Hi, I have 2 GSD's and one dobermann who is about 15 months old. When I first brought back the dobermann, I had to keep the male GSD tied up, but slowly can let the puppy go near the dominant dog, but you must always be there to supervise and get ready to protect the pup in case the dominant dog attacks the pup. Up until today my dominant GSD still bullies the dobermann but all I need to do is say a loud NO and the GSd will stop and walk away. You have to be fierce and teach the dominant dog who is boss.

depending on the line, you must try to get a reputable breeder so that the pups are more or less garanteed to have good tempremant. But usually with some effort and training, any dog can grow up to be sociable and have good temprament, just that some breeds are more easily trained than others. The other thing is guard dogs usually know their territory and will look to their masters for signals so when you bring it out to play and socialise, if you are friendly to everybody and allow children and adults to pat it, then it will know how to behave itself, but when you go back to your house, it will automatically go back to guard dog mode and guard its territory. That's the beauty of GSD's or any guard dogs, it know's its territory and is able to differentiate being friendly and beaing protective.

Hope this helps.


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very well said =)

"That's the beauty of GSD's or any guard dogs, it knows its territory and is able to differentiate being friendly and being protective."

like that comment
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Hi ! we just got a 8 week old GSD "Bosco"

he is a hand full,,any important suggestion for this breed of dog?? i used to have one when i was 14,,,but turn out to be bad experience,,we did not know the importantce of socialization,,when he reached 1 year old he had hardley meet any people or dogs,,,and was very aggressif by fear...by 4 yrs old we took the decision to put him down for i felt i could not control him,,,,,hardest thing i ever had to do in my life even t'ill this day,,,,with bosco i am trying a much as possible to let him see the world,,and people,"So far going well" but I am still very fearfull that history might repeat...


Bosco,

What you mentioned here is nerve problem. Although socialisation is very important, a good tempremented GSD will not show such insecurities. Unfortunately an extreemely very high percentage of show GSD you see today in the show rings today have got their temprement bread out of the line. Therefore This "show GSD's are totally a different breed altogether and different from the original German Shepherd breed which is bread for Courage, Temprement, good hips and high immunities.

My advice if you would take it, if you are looking for a campanion whom you want to share happiness with. Test the temprement throughlly from puppy before you buy. This way you won't have to worry of history repeating itself.....of course you are still responsible to socialise the hell outof him Laugh

PSD

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


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Hi PSD ,

Just curious does PSD = "Police Service Dog"..!

BTW great advice ! Smile, wht u say its true....it is not only just environmental which shapes the dog temperament....but the genetic factor plays a very-very big part as well.

As an example , it is very hard to socialise a genetically shy/skitish GSD...it will never develop the confident required in a strange place or with a lot of strangers around.

A shy/skitish dog turn on their defence drv easily even when not in threatening situation such as strangers walking nearby, it will display treatening posture such as barking with hair rising on the back of their neck....etc..)

here's my 2 cents worth when choosing a puppy especially a working breed such as GSD, look for the confident & the outgoing one (especially the one who willing to retrieve naturally)... the aloofness & hardness will come later when the dog mature.

Here's an excerpt of the FCI GSD-standard for temperament :
"sound nerves, alertness, sound-confidence, trainability, watchfulness, loyalty & incorruptibilty as well as courage, fighting drv and hardness are the outstanding characteristic of the GSD which makes him such a superior working dog for guard, companion, protection & herding dog." Cool

How we wish that all breeder, judge & GSD lovers alike will look for this attributes when looking for a winner in a show . .! ! ! . . Unsure

Socialization & puppy imprinting at an early age is still a very important step in turning out a good temperament GSD.

BTW do u own a GSD.....? .. which line.. ? ? just curious ! ....Blush






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Hi PSD ,

Just curious does PSD = "Police Service Dog"..!


Sly Right you are.


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BTW great advice ! Smile, wht u say its true....it is not only just environmental which shapes the dog temperament....but the genetic factor plays a very-very big part as well.

As an example , it is very hard to socialise a genetically shy/skitish GSD...it will never develop the confident required in a strange place or with a lot of strangers around.


I will never even start with a weak nerved puppy in the first place and they never should be breed again no matter how nice they are. This is the cause of genetic pool degration.


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here's my 2 cents worth when choosing a puppy especially a working breed such as GSD, look for the confident & the outgoing one (especially the one who willing to retrieve naturally)... the aloofness & hardness will come later when the dog mature.

Here's an excerpt of the FCI GSD-standard for temperament :
"sound nerves, alertness, sound-confidence, trainability, watchfulness, loyalty & incorruptibilty as well as courage, fighting drv and hardness are the outstanding characteristic of the GSD which makes him such a superior working dog for guard, companion, protection & herding dog." Cool


I noticed you mentioned retrive naturally.....look like someone in the sport I see. Need I say more?Smile


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How we wish that all breeder, judge & GSD lovers alike will look for this attributes when looking for a winner in a show . .! ! ! . . Unsure


You mean in the show ring? I think its already too late. Even the german show ring dogs having a so called strict requirement on breeding does not produce the ability of what GSD is originally bread for.


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Socialization & puppy imprinting at an early age is still a very important step in turning out a good temperament GSD.


Yes but only if you start with a correct puppy that has the right genetics. Socialising and inprinting can only bring up the puppy to its genetics best. In other words a fear biter will still be a fear biter and no best trainer in the world will be able to change that. Having said that, we have to remember also that the best puppy with the best genetics will still go to waste in the wrong hands as well.


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BTW do u own a GSD.....? .. which line.. ? ? just curious ! ....Blush


You want me to say more? Tongue

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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FrownHi PSD,

Yup ! I would like to know more....Wink

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"I will never even start with a weak nerved puppy in the first place and they never should be breed again no matter how nice they are. This is the cause of genetic pool degration."

Do u think the current situation in the showline (SV) is due to the reign of the Martin bros ..? ? ? ...........Genetic bottleneck .....! !

- I read in other forum that the German Police has stopped performing in SV show in recent yrs......Unsure...I understand they used to perform regularly@ SV Sieger show but due to SV empasis on conformation more than temperament & working drv......they decided to pull out.

It will be a sad day indeed for GSD IF they r not more used by the police force in the future.....Unsure...! !

BTW I m not into sports...coz there is no Sch Club in M'sia as far as I know....but I owned a working line GSD (DDR+BDR). Just training him on my own using training tapes (B. Flinks)......not very successful I would say...Frown....well just gotta keep on trying.....Laugh..! !

So wht abt u, r u from the Police Force (Malaysia or foreign)...?






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Poluxx,

I think you already know about the old line working GSD and the show dogs. I'd rather not comment too much about this here lest I may land in hot soup with some people.

Flink's is an excellent trainer. How old is your dog and who is the sire and dam? You should work him on a prey item to intensify it and graduate it onto a bite tug and then onto sleeve. Then once it is sleeve crazy you will need someone else to train for the defense.

Eventhough there is no SchH clubs ...yet! You should continue to work your dog this way. Having a good prey does not do harm and its nice to play fetch in the park too.Smile

When eventually there is enough people to start SchH clubs, at least your dog already have some basics.

DDR's Sly you amuse me. Now I know there is hope yet still for the real GSD in Malaysia.

PSD

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


Polluxx
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Hi PSD,

When u mentioned the old working line....? wht do mean ... when do u start differentiate between old & new working line..? at least as far as I know...back in the 60s, even early 70s and before...there isn't much difference between working line & highline . . . . they r almost the same..!
Imagine if we can have another VA dogs like Bernd or Bodo v Lierberg...now....! Angelic...WOW...! !

Yup , Flinks is a really trainer . . . I m just doing Drv Focus & Grip for now . . . .but I dun think I'll be doing any defence drv though . . . .its extremely hard to get a "helper" here in M'sia let alone a good one. He is 9 months old rite now.

Quote : "DDR's Sly you amuse me"

Why..?? Shocked...well anyway his sire is of Lord's bloodline thru Blek E. I know DDR line is not too tough(hard) as compare say Czech or even BDR dog like Mink.....but for an inexperience guy like me DDR will do just nicely....I also happen to like their darker pigment, strong bone & blocky head.Tongue Anyway the dam is out of Asko vd Lutter , so hopefully will bring out the working drv at least.....Sly

BTW where r u from...? ? Wht abt ur dog..? which bloodline...?? I'm very curious to find out...!Cool

Cheers.....






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


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Hi PSD,

When u mentioned the old working line....? wht do mean ... when do u start differentiate between old & new working line..? at least as far as I know...back in the 60s, even early 70s and before...there isn't much difference between working line & highline . . . . they r almost the same..!
Imagine if we can have another VA dogs like Bernd or Bodo v Lierberg...now....! Angelic...WOW...! !


You are perfectly right that those day there is only one type of GSD....the working GSD. Along the way SchH was devised to test the working ability and Shows were used to keep conformation tolerable. However this soon became an obsession and there then become 2 different group of people breeding GSD's based on the 2 different goals. Through a very tight linebreeding to get a good conformation, the poor tempremented dogs starts to come in. Some show breeders realises this mistake and tried to repair this by outcrossing back into working dogs in a hope to balance the temprement. The offsprings of these are called new-lines(at least to me). One breeder whom had successfully managed to keep a good conformed GSD whom is also good in working ability is Peko Haus and their all time greats was Karlo Peko Haus. By the old lines I meant those that remains of pure working genepools and bread with 1st priority of working ability, conformation is still important but secondary consideration.

Bernd Lierberg is a great dog and produce well a real immortal.


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Yup , Flinks is a really trainer . . . I m just doing Drv Focus & Grip for now . . . .but I dun think I'll be doing any defence drv though . . . .its extremely hard to get a "helper" here in M'sia let alone a good one. He is 9 months old rite now.


Hey at 9 months is too soon for defense. Build the grip first to make sure it is hard and calm and make the prey drive impeccable. All these you can build yourself for now. Don't worry about defense at this stage.

Helper can get, only thing is to get a helper who knows drives and how to read the dog is something else.


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you amuse me"

Why..?? Shocked...well anyway his sire is of Lord's bloodline thru Blek E. I know DDR line is not too tough(hard) as compare say Czech or even BDR dog like Mink.....but for an inexperience guy like me DDR will do just nicely....I also happen to like their darker pigment, strong bone & blocky head.Tongue Anyway the dam is out of Asko vd Lutter , so hopefully will bring out the working drv at least.....Sly

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I meant that as a compliment. Smile

Ah! Lord Gleisdreieck is a great working dog with a conformation to die for. If my memory serves me right Blek Egidius was inported into slovakia to help improve bone structure and stronger heads. There are few Czech lines having Lord's in the pedigree this way. I would not say that DDR's or W. German dogs is not hard. It is just that the breeders don't usually let them out of the country to begin with. There is some serious dog here and the heads ahhh! is uncomparable.

Mink is nice to have in the Pedigree. I'm sure you know that Asko sired over 1000 progeny's? (if not more) He is like the most irresitable stud on the block. I was planning to go Mink all the while until some Czech's bloodline stole my eye Wink I will be getting some dogs in by end of the year to test. Will still be basing some of my bloodlines on Mink.

Your puppy looks nice with such strong pedigree. How is the prey and has he started showing some defense?

I have a 4-4 mink, 5-5 cora haardblick , 5-5 ylo waldeckerhof bitch.

PSD

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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Wow! the two of you know your GSD's! PSD you sound like an experienced breeder. Would love to have a look at your dogs and when you mentioned bringing in some by the end of the year, you mean you'll be importing some in, and from where?


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Airdrigh,

No lah! Just a hobby. Someone needs to do something if we want to see SchutzHund taking off in this country. Just doing my part to bring in some proven bloodlines to enrich the working genepools here. My setup is not to my liking yet but once I can get my acts together perhaps we can do some demo to help everyone understands. For now I cannot obviously put up something which I haven't tested throughly and approve yet. Smile Hope you understand. Be patient my friendTongue

PSD

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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Hi PSD,

Dun worry, I've not started my dog in defense ... like I said earlier I dun think I ever will....well unless we can get the Sch Club going or something like that.

Anyway his prey drv is developing very nicely....improving but not too hectic, used to put a string on the tug to get his attention but now no need already! ....but his food drv is really overboard (he is a voracious eater)...as for his defence drv well its just begining to show these last 2-3 mths . . . mostly against dogs who go by the house.....the funny thing he is ok wt cat..!Crazy..maybe he thk they r too small to be a threat ! Sly

BTW I heard that Blek is in US now...but not used too often in there ? ? wht a waste..Unsure.>!

I thk u got urself a nice working bitch , how old is she ? wt a 4-4 on Mink, is she very dominant, wht abt rank issue ? . . I understand Mink line is well sought by police force as service dogs . . because of their HIGH prey & hunt drv....& not forgeting the hardness.

So which Czech bloodline that u have eyes on....is it the PS_line ? ?

BTW, u were mentioning the Peko Haus....heard that the breeder has retired...is it true...?Frown ...read on other forum that Karlo is one hell of serious working dog ....just like Mink I would say...too bad never had a chance to watch them in action....!

Just wanna chk have u heard of this dog,
Pike von der Schafbachmuhle...a fully black dog wt a masculine head to die for.....well he is sire by Karlo, heard that he line is currently well sought after as well in Europe...!Smile....






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(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


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Hi PSD,

Dun worry, I've not started my dog in defense ... like I said earlier I dun think I ever will....well unless we can get the Sch Club going or something like that.


You don't need a SchH club to put in defense. This step is necessary to graduate the dog into fight drive. Otherwise you will have big problem later if your dog are locked in prey. 100% prey dogs are not very good at protection in real life conditions. You can start another post on training defense later when you need it. Someone may just be able to help.


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Anyway his prey drv is developing very nicely....improving but not too hectic, used to put a string on the tug to get his attention but now no need already! ....but his food drv is really overboard (he is a voracious eater)...as for his defence drv well its just begining to show these last 2-3 mths . . . mostly against dogs who go by the house.....the funny thing he is ok wt cat..!Crazy..maybe he thk they r too small to be a threat ! Sly


You can use the food drive for the O/B side as food is very motivationalSmile But at this age keep him lean...very lean otherwise the joints will suffer over long terms. The defense with dogs is different with defense with man. you have to eventually agitate his defense with man (not now) otherwise he will not be confident to commit the bite. As for the cat, you willhave problem if he show defense......he should be showing prey instead.


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I thk u got urself a nice working bitch , how old is she ? wt a 4-4 on Mink, is she very dominant, wht abt rank issue ? . . I understand Mink line is well sought by police force as service dogs . . because of their HIGH prey & hunt drv....& not forgeting the hardness.


she is the most dominant of her litter and outright dominant. Yes rank issue is there a one man dog. She wont work for 2 different handler same like her mother whom is also very dominant. Extreeme nerve she has, nothing ever threatens her which is why her defense rarely comes in at all. Very hard. She is a very stable bitch with high prey. This is one dog which I believe maturity will bring it straight into fight drive once we do defense agitation. I'm still delaying this though as I want to see crushing bites before doing that. She is now 13 months. I would however prefer a bit more civil sharpness here.


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So which Czech bloodline that u have eyes on....is it the PS_line ? ?


You must be careful on generelising too much on PS line. PS have very good dogs and a fair share of rotten ones who produces goose poo. You have to study the bloodlines very closely and see not only generations before but also the progenies to see if they are worth the look. I have set my views but let me test first lah! Will tell you later if proven good.


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BTW, u were mentioning the Peko Haus....heard that the breeder has retired...is it true...?Frown ...read on other forum that Karlo is one hell of serious working dog ....just like Mink I would say...too bad never had a chance to watch them in action....!

Just wanna chk have u heard of this dog,
Pike von der Schafbachmuhle...a fully black dog wt a masculine head to die for.....well he is sire by Karlo, heard that he line is currently well sought after as well in Europe...!Smile....


Yes he retired. I think any GSD enthusiast worth itself in gold should know Karlo and the son Pike. They are really one of a kind dogs. Pike and Karlo is very nice to have in pedigree. I would kill for a Karlo 2-2. Can even go disturb the show rings with such dogs.Wink

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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Polluxx,

Check your e-mail.

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Hi PSD,

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" would however prefer a bit more civil sharpness here. "


Civil . . .? something which I find kinda hard to understand...?

I tot Civil = "aggr" , so if too sharp would it be to hectic too control.....sorry I'm kinda new to this. Wink

Regarding PS_line, there's not too much info out there abt Czech dogs...so its a bit hard to study how does the individual PS dogs produce.How do u find out...?

BTW do keep the board update on which line of Czech ur getting . . Tongue! Wht do u thk of "Anrebri & Jinipo", r they getting too commecial (show)....?

Have u ever thought of getting a Pike (Karlo) line for ur breeding program , I would be most interested....Cool..in the progeny ! we can go disturb the show together then...he-he Sly

Cheers.................






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


PSD
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Sep 22, 2003, 8:48 AM

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Civil . . .? something which I find kinda hard to understand...?

I tot Civil = "aggr" , so if too sharp would it be to hectic too control.....sorry I'm kinda new to this. Wink


Civil = Aggr.....not very accurate intepretation. Being civil means to perceive a 3rd party a threat until being told otherwise by the handler. For example a walk in the park and the dog goes pass a jogger whom doesn't stare into his eyes or give any thretening gestures will just be ignored. But a person come in a straight line stare into the dog's eye directly or acting suspicious causes the alarm bark. The bark is deep and usually followed in 3-4 consequitive barks. This is being civil. Barking at another dog or cat etc is not considered civil.


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Regarding PS_line, there's not too much info out there abt Czech dogs...so its a bit hard to study how does the individual PS dogs produce.How do u find out...?


Lots of Research and being inquisitive I guess.


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BTW do keep the board update on which line of Czech ur getting . . Tongue! Wht do u thk of "Anrebri & Jinipo", r they getting too commecial show)....?


Jinopo is started by Jiri Novotny. He was the director of the PS program. There they have very good dogs But dealing in Czech, it is who you know that ensures you get what you are looking for. Otherwise many will get rotten goods there if not careful. Anbreri has some of very serious dogs. They also deals in showlines though. You just have to know about the pedigrees to be sure you know what you get.


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Have u ever thought of getting a Pike (Karlo) line for ur breeding program , I would be most interested....Cool..in the progeny ! we can go disturb the show together then...he-he Sly


Interesting thought Sly Wondered what will happen if working GSD stole the titles from showies SlyLaugh Tell you the truth, I never envision my plans to include Karlo n pike. Don't know why but maybe I have not researched much into this line enough to form the right confidence. Who knows I may just do that in future when I have more time for experimenting.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


mhazman
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Sep 22, 2003, 8:09 PM

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Hi PSD & Pollux,
After reading your posts for some time, I've decided to join in..
I'm also crazy on working dogs and protection sports.
I've got a Czech dog for my family protection and their courage and hardness is very different from others.
I think there may be enough ppl interested to start a
dogsports club...

Azman

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