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My dog bite me once last year til bleed and same thing happened today to my mom







candychl
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Jan 5, 2009, 6:57 AM

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I need help....

My dog now age 2 yrs old, mixed breed. Last year he dug a hole in the garden so i scolded him, and he suddenly attack me, i fell to the ground and hand bleeding. He grab on myhand for quite some time, I dare not to move at all til he finally releases me.

Then today he went out when the gate is open. So my mom keep on calling him to come back. When he entered the compound. My mom scolded him and proceed to lock the gate. I think the dog must be thought that my mom is trying to hit him. He feel afraid and proceed to attack my mom. Also bite on the hand till bleed.

Now my dad is planning to send him for elimination.....because my dog is too fierce when we scold him (without cane etc, just plain scolding, not even hitting him).

I did try to not scold him that fierce, when I saw that he's feeling sory, I stopped scolding him and just walk away. But then not everyone in my family knows when the dog feel sory as only i'm more attached to him.

Is there really no other choice besides the elimination?? Pls help


zephyros
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Jan 5, 2009, 6:14 PM

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Re: [candychl] My dog bite me once last year til bleed and same thing happened today to my mom [In reply to] Can't Post

something must have happened somewhere. 1

1) did anyone ever hit your dog?

2) how much scolding are you doing? enough to really intimidate your dog?

3) did u point or give hand gestures that you were going to hit your dog?

it's really hard to tell u what to do without knowing your daily lives. but there's got to be a reason for the actions. where are you located? there might be dog trainers around that might be able to help


candychl
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Jan 6, 2009, 5:22 AM

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Re: [zephyros] My dog bite me once last year til bleed and same thing happened today to my mom [In reply to] Can't Post

1) did anyone ever hit your dog?

i couldn't even rmbr when the last time we hit him with the cane...the cane oso lost somewhere around the house. Most of the time we hardly hit him as he's not that naughty always

2) how much scolding are you doing? enough to really intimidate your dog?

hhmm...how much....really hard to measure. but for me i stop when he got the message. Not so sure for my mom as u all know mother usually will repeat it for quite some time

3) did u point or give hand gestures that you were going to hit your dog?

for my mom case, mayb my dog interpret as going to hit him. but so far it hardly happens to me, as my dog seems to be afraid of me when i raise my voice, don't even hav to do any gesture

we always let him wander around the house, he behaves, so far no digging hole even since the last time he bite me. no biting slipper etc, just likes to go out when the gate is open and very hard to call him back. that's all

i not so sure for his age, whether can still train him. As it's not the 1st time he bite ppl. Not sure whether u all heard of this, but there's a saying that once a dog bites n tasted blood, the likelyhood of him to bite in future will be more easily triggered.

so now for this 2nd time biting, my family is more concern who'll be next. that's y they opting for the elimination, which i really don't want to.


zephyros
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Jan 6, 2009, 5:26 PM

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hmm if that's the case i'd strongly recommend a professional dog trainer. maybe they can give u more insight on what to do


Sashan
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Jan 6, 2009, 6:06 PM

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Re: [zephyros] My dog bite me once last year til bleed and same thing happened today to my mom [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, sounds like your dog got the message that he isn't supposed to dig holes. So he knows what he was doing was wrong.

It sounds like your dog is very timid (scared when you raise your voice) and bites defensively when he thinks you are going to hit him. Was he adopted? He may have been hit before when he was a puppy.

What I can suggest is that when you are scolding your dog, just stick to a firm NO, or bad dog, since a raised voice is scary enough for him. Don't go too near him, to ensure he has no reason to bite.

Alternatively, you could try to call him to Come in a firm voice and lecture him (not in a very threatening/angry voice). Just be careful of your hand and posture to make sure he doesn't feel very threaten and bite you again.

Also, you can try to avoid situations where he goes into defensive mode.

One of my dogs had a bit of a mental issue with food. When she got a bone, she would hide in a corner with it and guard like crazy. If you tried to take it, she would bite. There are other instances where she bites too. We couldnt train it out of her, so we made sure she wouldnt be in the situation where she would get food to guard.

Eg. After dinner party, clean and toss out the rubbish at once, even if its 2am. Before it rains (you can usually tell from the dogs behaviour), put her in her cage, and cover it, or lock the room doors. Stuff like that.

So to avoid situation where your dog will run out of the gate, get someone to hold him if you are opening the gate to drive out, or train him to go to the side, cage, or house (wherever) when you tell him so he can't run out.

Good luck to you!


candychl
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Jan 7, 2009, 5:02 AM

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Re: [Sashan] My dog bite me once last year til bleed and same thing happened today to my mom [In reply to] Can't Post

Might need to persuade my family to consider sending him to training...where can i send? I stay at ampang, the SPCA ampang branch is quite near my place. They didn't provide training rite...... Any recommendation? Btw how long is the training usually and how much will it roughtly cost??

My dog is not adopted, since he's 2 mths old i think my fren gave it to me.

I nowadays prefer to scold him fr a very far distance, but then he also will hide to a corner or under the car, so I oso didn't bother about it.

Running out of the gate....haiz headache......sometimes my family 4gotten that we didn't tied him up and opened the gate and there goes. So now if he didn't cm back, i just close the gate til he's fed up and wait at the front gate. But then it will be a very long wait. I also afraid that he'll attack our neighbours who walk by.

But anyway thx for all the advice......now need to brain wash my family to stop them fr send him to SPCA for elimination. Need to find out more on training as well.


acsyen
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Jan 7, 2009, 7:44 AM

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To go for training classes you need cooperation from every family member not just 1 or 2 of them if not it will not wokr. I suggest you to speak with a dog behaviorist Cheng See 012-2584315. You can get further info from her on what to do and charges on behavior problems consultations.

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nikemax
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Mar 1, 2009, 1:45 PM

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Candy, I would like to remind you no longer allowing your dog roam unleashed. You should understand the officers granted the rights in capturing your dog even if he/she is registered with a license. On another hand, as your dog is possessing a violence of temper, ensure your neighbours are not vulnerable victims.

In regards of your dog violence assault, putting him to sleep is definitely not a considerable resort. As all the peers have said, seek an advice from the experts in town.

Do not ever try to put a full stop in his life!!!


Pommymom
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Jun 2, 2009, 9:44 PM

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Re: [candychl] My dog bite me once last year til bleed and same thing happened today to my mom [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi Candy,

I saw your postings and I kind of understand your situation because I have a similar dog like yours. Your family member might not be as attached as you do with the dog because a dog will only choose 1 pack leader. From my readings, its crucial for the rest of the family to position themselves below the pack leader at least, and the dog will remain the last as a "member" of the pack. This is important especially when the dog is aggresive.

Aggression progress in stages whereby a dog will start with growling only, and if he gets a signal that growling and snapping works very well for him, he will advance to a bite. In my opinion, your dog has progressed from a mere snarling and snapping to a gripping bite and that is not good. However, I agree with the rest, that your dog can still be trained but you need a professional dog trainer who understand how a dog behave.

My problems:

If you dont mind, I would like to share my story with you. I adopted my dog, a medium size dalmatian mix, spayed female 2 years ago. She is almost 3 years now. It worries me much because she will growl, snarl and snap at strangers, other dogs, and my family members particular whoever scolded her and is afraid of her. She show this aggression when visitor approach her (maybe fear aggression), when someone else besides me, trying to take her bone or bowl (possesiveness), and when she gets to sit in the middle of a narrow path, she will not let my family to walk through. (maybe territorial aggression).

She runs out of the house and go for a walk when the gate is accidentally open. She did this a few times, and we have to drive and look for her. One day, she came back injured from a car accident but she is fine now. I doubt that she learn from the experience because she tried to get out of the gate again one day.

Thank God, she have not progress to a gripping bite, but a snap is enough to get me into lawsuit if i am unlucky. So, i am still trying to socialise her but with a basket muzzle, as it is not so restricting.

My Solutions

I have taken her to obedience training, and that actually helps a little but DO NOT treat the aggression problem. Obedience training will allow me to take control of her, and use my commands on her, whenever she shows aggresion. For example, when she digs, instead of scolding and beating her, I put a choke collar and a leash, giving a firm NO! with a jerk of leash on the spot. Then I heel her and ask her to sit, and down. Once she accomplish it, I praise her. The reason for this is to reinforce my position as the pack leader.

One day, she get under the car, and i put my hand in trying to get her out. A few times, she did it without hesitation, but that day, she tried something on me, she growled. I give a firm NO, and go get a metal stick, yank it into her choke collar and get her out. Once she is out, I put a leash on her, reinforce down and sit command a few times. Well, I guess that what I can do with obedience training, it helps me communicate with a dog who thinks aggression can outdo his pack leader.

Another day, I brought her to my bf office, she was sitting in front of the fax machine, my bf needed to use the machine, and ask her to "move" politely, my dog gave out a cold stare and start to give a low growl, and stay put with her position. My bf advance and give her a firmer MOVE! and there she goes, she SNAPS. He immediately gave her a very "firm" slap on the side of the face. My dog yelled and ran away, seconds later, she came and sit in front of my bf, with tail wagging. I admit that he was a little harsh by slapping her. BUt it was so firm that, the dog acknowledge that he is the winning position and recognise him as the leader until today. She will bark at all visitors except him. Now she is a happy dog with him as she determined who's the boss.

But please do not try this method, if you are not confident that you can fight the dog with bare hands. You may get injured at the end if he doesnt give in because you must fight until he give in before you can win. Using a stick to beat her is not going to work because the dog will perceive it as unfair and she will be either more aggresive or worse, low confidence the next time she sees a person holding a broom or a stick. Instead try a firm NO, and reinforce obedience especially Down command. And the dog will get praise for that.

Yet until today, she is still aggressive to those people who is afraid of her (those who have not fight her and win hahaha) and those who is not willing to spend some time to communicate with her. Thankfully, her aggression have not progress to a worse stage as she always get the message that it is not acceptable to be rude.

My suggestions to you

Your dog was probably a happy puppy and later progress to mild aggression without you noticing, right? And now probably from all the scoldings he now thinks that his aggression with bite works. Because you and your family no longer dare to scold him/her. When it works, the dog will continue what he is doing.

Since it is now in advance stage, you need to seek professional advice on how to communicate with the dog. After that, take up obedience training, (if he has not) and use that as pack leader "reinforcing" tool.

I think by the time I write this message, maybe you are still keeping the dog, or maybe not. Anyway, these are suggestions from my experience of owning such dog, and I have not given up on mine, because I pity her past. She needs more compassions than punishments. I am sure she was bitten with a broom previously because when I sweep my floor, she snaps. I solved the problem by giving her treats when i sweep. and let her sleep with the broom. :) She works better with praise and have higher confidence when she achieve some thing.

Well, I am going to pen off here, and I wish you good luck with your dog, and if you have already eliminated your dog, I hope that what I have written here can serve as some tiny guidelines for your future doggy..hehe.

Cheers!

Stella aka Pommymom


kev21yng
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Jul 11, 2009, 12:11 AM

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Re: [candychl] My dog bite me once last year til bleed and same thing happened today to my mom [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi,

Name's Kevin. Just want to let you know that I 'stumbled' across a website that has something kind of training for badly behaved dogs. You can also sign up for a free 6-day training course via email.

Why not have a look?

Click here: http://www.kevinyoong.com/...s/DogTrainingSecrets

 
 




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