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SeanYoung
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Sep 12, 2005, 9:03 PM

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Hi all,

Anyone can advise me the followings:

My GSD is 8 months old now. And now he has two main issues:

1. He is dog aggresive , I think. Everytime i take him for walk, if he sees a dog, he will pull and jump and drag me to the dog. I fell down and injured last week due to this action. I keep yelling, "NO" but to no effects. He just ignore me. Then I use the leash to snap him a bit. It doesnt' work at all. What should I do? Sometimes, I get my friends to bring his dog to stay in front of my gate, their dog just quitely sit. But my GSD, like want to rush and jump on that dog. I don't think he wants to kill them but rather play.

2. He is starting to have separation anxiety - I think or boredom. He barks for attention. There was no stranger, no dogs around, no cats etc but he barks from 11pm to 5am. It was not like that earlier but it's now starting to do that. He is placed in his usual kennel outside my house. Yesterday, I leash him to my front door and i put a radio and he didn't make noise since then. But i cannot afford to make this a habit right?

Another thing - can anyone advise where I could get a bicycle jogger that allow my dog to exercise with me while I ride on the bicycle. Not sure whether this is also feasible if he can pull - i think there's a safety release device. The dog may just run away.



Advice anyone?


leecy
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Sep 13, 2005, 4:52 PM

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SeanYoung

Maybe u can try to bring ur dog to socialise with other dogs, i think ur dog never stay with any dogs since he is with u right?

last time i used to own 1 dog only, then she seems vey boring & being very destructive whn im not around, then i bring back another playmate, at 1st she was jealous, but now, she enjoy the companion. Smile






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SeanYoung
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Sep 13, 2005, 5:25 PM

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Thanks for reply! You're right that i only have one dog and that dog never socialise with other dogs. I'm not planning for another dog as I have not establish myself as the pack leader yet. So, it's disastrous to have 2 dogs. Who would be the leader? Another thing is that my 70 years old mum feed the dog in the day, I don't want the risk of her being attacked by 2 dogs who decided to fight for ranking later.

I tried to bring my dog to my uncle's house daily to let them meet (thru the fence). Yesterday, I tried and my GSD really pull vigorously - I almost have a broken arm. He's not wanting to fight but rather play I think. U think behaviour will change after a few rounds of meeting the other dogs? Should I let him pull and jump vigourously or should i force him to sit and down?


kitconnie78
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Sep 13, 2005, 9:31 PM

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The problem with your dog is not just only with socializing but is also developing aggresive behaviour. Do not let your dog do she like but must follow what you want her to do. Just telling NO is not enough. When putting your dog on leash use the choke chain. If your dog decided to pull then she will get choke by the chain. If your dog decided to bite another dog just press and hold the mouth until your dog will calm down. Just letting your dog to get to know another dog through fence is not a good way. Must let them really mix with the dog. Sometimes dog will fight but just try to watch out. Must raise your voice when you are not happy with the behaviour of your dog. The dog doesn't understand our English but rather our tone of voice.

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RealityDreamer
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Sep 20, 2005, 4:04 AM

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Hi Sean,
I noe exactly how u feel as I hv an aggressive dog as well.If I socialised him,he would launch himself & lunge at other dogs. If I didn't,it would just get worse. What I did was gv one hard correction that he would remember for a long time & make him think twice before misbehaving.
I highly recommend getting a prong collar ( www.cobankopegi.com/prong.html ) It is a proven effective method of correction.
Instead of choking (which is very risky),the prong/pinch collar would just pinch the skin of the dog.
When he got aggressive,I just jerked him very very hard once while saying "no!" & that is all it takes. Bear in mind he is a bullmastiff.

Once he listens to u,u should socialise him,teaching him that other dogs r nothing to b aggressive abt. Start slow & work ur way frm there. In addition to that, I also got him to focus on me while other dogs are walking around him. Create not only a neutral environment,but a positive (happy=tail wagging,lol) one.

I forgot to add,always praise for good behaviour!

Good luck.Smile
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SeanYoung
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Sep 20, 2005, 4:56 AM

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Thanks! I just ordered a prong collar. I'm not sure whether it will work on my dog. What do you mean a hard correction. Will it break his neck if I too hard? or will it poke into his neck if i pop too hard? the puppy now develop jumping habit and also mouthing habit. Not sure what other things I should do.


RealityDreamer
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Sep 20, 2005, 8:58 AM

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Hi Sean,
Ur welcome.
If it is done correctly,it will definitely work.I hv seen the prong work wonders on uncontroble aggressive, overly hyper dogs etc.

One hard correction is something like one serious punishent. For example,using soft corrections in general (screaming no,pulling the choke collar,etc) is more like nagging which after a while,the dog will ignore(like kids). One serious(hard) correction will shock the dog,he would not want to repeat whatever it is that caused that correction.

Some dogs hv been jerked up really roughly n left standing on 2 hind legs for a second or 2 & they r fine(i don't think ur puppy needs that kind of correction,lol)

It does not poke the neck but does pinch the skin around the neck. While there are risks,they are definitely lower than using a choke collar which can restrict air flow & collapse tracheas.

For mouthing,u can actually just shove ur hand deep into his mouth. He won't like the sensation & will do the opposite of mouthing.Do this consistently & it should help.

Attach a "tab",or a very short & light string/leash to the prong which is short enough so that it doesn't touch the floor & leave it on the whole day. The second he jumps on u, tell him "no!" & jerk him off. Tell him to sit & then reward him by praising & treats.

Hope this helps Smile
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Kilo KG
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Jun 14, 2006, 5:08 PM

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Hey RD, happened to stumble upon your previous post re prong collars. Need your clarification. You mentioned that choke chains are "more dangerous" as compared to prong collars (somewhere along those lines...) I've seen what a prong collar looks like and it looks painful. But after reading your post, i'm tempted to try the prong collar over the choke chain. What did people who saw you using the prong collar say? I want to try the collar but am afraind of the social repercussions of the less informed public. Plus what happens to my dog should i pull on the collar? I have an amstaff, still a puppy but i intend to train it myself when it gets older. (with the employ of either tool - prong collar or choke chain).

Thanks. By the way, nice dog in your avatar. Shutzhund fan? Perhaps.








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Kilo KG
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Jun 14, 2006, 5:44 PM

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Oops pardon me. that should be spelt schutzhund.








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sk241
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Jun 14, 2006, 9:48 PM

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Maybe I could also add something about the prong collar. I have heard it described as power steering for dogs and owning an 18mo GSD and having had the prong collar for the last three I can tell you it makes the world of difference. I have some thoughts and some advise.

In terms of what others think you would be happy to know that most wont know and most wont see. Viewed from the outside it looks just like a fancy thick collar. I used one for a whole season of MKA's abedience training and only one person noticed (they had one as well)

For my advise. When you first get the collar you need to spend the first two weeks just putting it on and taking it off - maybe 4-5 times a day. The purpose is to desensitise the dog to the collar so that putting the collar on doesnt become a drama and he doesnt link that to training or correction. My dog still happily welcomes the collar each every time as generally it means going for a walk or the car etc. The correction, if necessary, is linked to the bad action, not the collar. Fully agree also with the short lead at all times. This works the same ways for e-collars - which is another topic but even more effective when used properly. One hard correction at the gate stopped my dog from thinking about running through without permission. Compare that with what could happen if he ran out and got hit by a car, for me its worth it.

If you think its harsher than a choke collar then run two exercises. Put a choke collar on your thigh and have someone give it a good yank, then try the same with the prong collar, then come back and tell me which is more severe. the choke collar also has a habit of breaking the very small bones around the throat area which has been determined by autopsy study of many dogs. Something like 80% of dogs had some damage opposed to 2-3% for a prong collar

Any training aid can become a tool for abuse in the wrong uneducated hands, so do plenty of reading at least on the net or from a real training book that doesnt advocate hugs and kisses fixing every problem.

Hope this helps your anxiety


Kilo KG
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Jun 14, 2006, 10:01 PM

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sk241, ah super!! thanks a bunch for your reply. it sounds like a good idea. will go looking for a prong collar soon. i have done a copy-paste of your post to word.doc so i can print it out.

Yeah, i've heard about e-collars and i should perhaps consider using that too especially for when the house gate opens. I think most of us dog owners who know of the existence of the e-collar have thought about this solution at some point or other. I suppose now i won't feel so bad if i do use it some day (assuming i can find one to buy that is).

Hey check out the Mixed Breed thread. I started a new thread re Malaysian Hunting/Working Dog. Hahaha it's about the dream of having our very own Malaysian Dog. Check it out if you have the time.

Thanks again.








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RealityDreamer
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Jun 15, 2006, 1:08 AM

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Hi Kilo,

Sk has pretty much said what I wanted to abt the prong. Even with my current GSD,the prong is on him randomly to avoid "collar smartness".He does not need the prong yet..but just starting him with it.

I don't think you should worry too much abt social reactions. With dog training,we all look a little mad at times Tongue However I have had ppl giving me looks when the prong is on my bullmastiff........and.....I have to admit,he does look meaner!

P.S. Yes....a definite shutzhund fan here!
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boon
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Jun 15, 2006, 6:55 AM

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You can actually get the 'hidden' prong collar if you mind what the general public think about when u have the prong on you dog(s). It is kind of like a flat chain or a flat nylon collar from the outside but inside it , it is a prong from HS. But it will coz you quite a bit for products from HS.

But it worth the money and get the stainless steel one....those chrome plated is not so good or not to my liking. Also for easy put on and off, you get get the 'clipper prong' which turn the traditional link to a clip like any nylon collar.

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Kilo KG
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Jun 15, 2006, 7:16 PM

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RD... cool. so prong collars are ok then. I checked out the leerburg website and it teaches a lot of stuff. also how to fit prong colars and how to use them effectively.

So when ppl gave started giving you looks, was it because your dog looked meaner with the prong collar on, or was it because they thought it was painful and cruel and told you so... or was it a gender thing, ie boy stares at cute girl or girl looks at cute guy.

heheh, thanks. BU on Sunday?








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Kilo KG
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Jun 15, 2006, 7:23 PM

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hey boon... what or where is HS? Re clipper prong, based on my reading, i thought prong collars can be fastened using any part of the prong links ie removing and fastening on the particular link itself.

in any case, the clip shold be convenient. i shall have to look around. so far i haven't found any pet shop selling the collar except for one but they have sold out on those collars and don't have any these days. wonder why...

i shall check the forum re dog food. thanks.








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boon
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Jun 15, 2006, 8:22 PM

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HS == Herm Sprenger, it is a brand for dog gears

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RealityDreamer
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Jun 16, 2006, 1:46 AM

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I love prongs actually. Helped me tonnes with controlling my BM's dog aggression Cool

Not sure really..lol. I noe my friends who knew abt prongs told me that he looks a whole lot meaner with the prong.As for the others..i'm don't know.

Btw,I think the prong with the clip does not have a live ring. The clip helps so much when u hv a dog which can't sit still. Tongue

Yeap,I will be there.
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Kilo KG
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Jun 16, 2006, 2:34 AM

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Ah, i see. thanks for the info. I googled HS and got HS collar! lol. banged my head on my desk a couple of times and posted. so there. thanks a bunch.

re prong collar, where can i get the concealed version. is getting accesories from the U.S. any better than sourcing it locally?

re BARF. have looked thru' the thread. very helpful thanks. may i have your view(s)/experience(s) with using BARF? thanks.

BU Sunday?








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Kilo KG
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Jun 16, 2006, 2:39 AM

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hey rd, so where'd you get your prong from? i think boon mentioned a concealed version too. plus stainless steel. any recommendations? diane jessup on her website mentioned the need for positive training rather than chokes and e-collars. BUT she didn't mention anything re prong collars AND her training picture kinda shows her using something that resembles a prong collar plus a back-up collar on her dog (another concept i picked up from the leerburg site). Comments?

what do you think about BARF? do you know where i can get necks and carcass al-cheapo?

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RealityDreamer
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Jun 16, 2006, 3:52 AM

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Mine's from Frabo. Well,no comments abt it really. Nvr used it b4..and m not worried abt wht ppl think. I would go for the stainless steel one. As for which type,it would depend on my dog. If I have a hard dog,and I get the clip on one with no live ring,then it wouldn't serve a purpose. If my dog is softer or more handler sensitive,then I don't mind getting the clip on one...it's so much easier. Maybe try the cheap local ones first,gage how hard/soft ur dog is then get the better quality one.

I think the most effective training would be a combination of both. Correction when smth wrong is done and praise/reward when it is right. I think if u start off positive(no corrections till the dog is old enough to handle it),in the long run he'll generally need less corrections. He's always been rewarded for the right thing,y bother testing?


As for BARF,I love it....so do the dogs Laugh I usually go to the wet market to get my supply.

Saw frm the other thread u hv spoken to Azman. So when will u be joining training? Wink
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Kilo KG
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RD,

Where is Frabo? Its a pet shop i assume. So you have a prong collar but have never used it? Cool.

"If I have a hard dog,and I get the clip on one with no live ring,then it wouldn't serve a purpose." - so you're saying for a hard dog we need a clip-on type without live rings but then you aslo say "...my dog is softer or more handler sensitive,then I don't mind getting the clip on one...it's so much easier" pardon my inability to process your point but i don't get it...la. It sounds like this to me -

For a hard dog, i need a clip-on type WITH live rings otherwise its ineffective BUT for calmer dogs we get the clip-on type... then blank? or do you mean calmer dogs clip-on ONLY wihout live rings type? but why would calmer dogs need clip-on if they don't trash about when we put the collar on? and then hard dogs clip-on PLUS live rings? i assume a clip-on is for ease of removal and fastening whereas the prongs would serve to "teach'?

heeelllpppppppppp... aargghhhhh...ayoyo sorry la. i appreciate your patience

i haven't met azman yet and my female staffie is only 3 months only while my male beagle just touched 6 months. plus i also neglected to save his number on my h/p so i guess i have to wait for doggie day on the 18th. i remember the post i sent was to sur-something but i can't remember which thread already. i must be getting old. oh wait, i am old. sigh. hahaha.








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RealityDreamer
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Jun 16, 2006, 6:11 AM

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Hi,

Frabo's in Germany at www.frabo.de

For the local prongs,u can try Sea Park Pet Supplies in SS2...should cost u abt RM 20 i think.

Haha...yes. It's on him for display Tongue

Oh dear..sorry if I confused u. The purpose of the clip is for convenience. Period. So I would definitely want the convenience of just snapping on the prong like I do any other collar.The biggest drawback of this collar is that it does not have a live ring. Live rings would be necessary for harder dogs. Dead rings would be for the softer/more handler sensitive dogs (the clip on only has a dead ring)

Well,calmer dogs wouldn't need the clip on..but us..or rather me...if there's an easy way to do it...y not?Blush

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Kilo KG
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Hey RD,

Ah i see. Maybe i'll source the pinch collars locally. Was thinking of the states but only if a good one isn't available here. Is it? Saw the Frabo Leather pinch collar. Looks good. Must be what Boon referred to when he told me the concealed version of the pinch collar.

Another question re your barf diet, please... do you buy fresh everyday (unlikely), or freeze a weeks worth, then thaw the noght before and then just feed it first thing in the morning (cold necks don't sound too tasty, frankly). what is your mixture like? ie necks plus omega 3 oil spread all over, a crushed egg+shell, and veg (i suppose i have to blend everynight to feed in the morning, yeah?)

Thanks re clarification on clip-on pinch collars. The frabo ones super. Saw an awesome picture on the net of an apbt -a huge, muscular apbt- with pinch collar plus backup. The visual effect is really powerful. And then you look at the dog. And you know there's a God who loves dogs. Absolutely awesome picture.

The picture in my avatar isn't my staffie. I "borrowed" that from the net actually. Will get mine up sometime early next month.

Thanks. See ya sunday! I'll be looking out for all you schutzhund types walking around with German and Belgian Shepherds...








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whoops. Dear Mr/Ms puppy.com moderator my post here and the one below repeated itself so i took the liberty to delete it. thank you.








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