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Amanda85
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May 4, 2006, 3:20 AM

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"The American Veterinary Medical Association Committee report that 'one year revaccination recommendation frequently found vaccination labels is based on historical precedent, not scientific data. There is evidence that some vaccines provide immunity beyond one year. According to research there is no proof that many of the yearly vaccinations are necessary and that protection in many instances may be life long'; also, 'Vaccination is a potent medical procedure with both benefits and risks for the patient'; further that, 'Revaccination of patients with sufficient immunity does not add measurably to their disease resistance, and may increase their risk of adverse post-vaccination events.' Finally, he states that: 'Adverse events may be associated with the antigen, adjuvant, carrier, preservative or combination thereof. Possible adverse events include failure to immunise, anaphylaxis, immunosuppression, autoimmune disorders, transient infections and/or long-term infected carrier states.'
Further, the evidence shows that the duration of immunity for rabies vaccine, canine distemper vaccine, canine parvovirus vaccine, feline panleukopaenia vaccine, feline rhinotracheitis and feline calicivurus have all been demonstrated to be a minimum of seven years, by serology for rabies and challenge studies for all others.

We, however, fully support the recommendations and guidelines of the American Animal Hospitals Association Taskforce, to reduce vaccine protocols for dogs and cats such that booster vaccinations are only given every three years, and only for core vaccines unless otherwise scientifically justified.


We further suggest that the evidence currently available will soon lead to the following facts being accepted:

* The immune systems of dogs and cats mature fully at six months and any modified live virus (MLV) vaccine given after that age produces immunity that is good for the life of that pet.
* If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralise the antigens from the subsequent so there is little or no effect; the pet is not 'boosted', nor are more memory cells induced.
* Not only are annual boosters for canine parvovirus and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated haemolytic anaemia.


* Puppies and kittens receive antibodies through their mothers' milk. This natural protection can last eight to 14 weeks.

* Puppies and kittens should NOT be vaccinated at less than eight weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralise the vaccine and little protection will be produced.
* Vaccination at six weeks will, however, DELAY the timing of the first effective vaccine.
* Vaccines given two weeks apart SUPPRESS rather than stimulate the immune system.

This would give possible new guidelines as follows:


1. A series of vaccinations is given starting at eight weeks of age (or preferably later) and given three to four weeks apart, up to 16 weeks of age.

2. One further booster is given sometime after six months of age and will then provide life-long immunity.

In light of data now available showing the needless use and potential harm of annual vaccination, we call on our profession to cease the policy of annual vaccination.

It is accepted that the annual examination of a pet is advisable. We undervalue ourselves, however, if we hang this essential service on the back of vaccination and will ultimately suffer the consequences. Do we need to wait until we see actions against vets, such as those launched in the state of Texas by Dr Robert Rogers? He asserts that the present practice of marketing vaccinations for companion animals constitutes fraud by misrepresentation, fraud by silence and theft by deception.

The oath we take as newly-qualified veterinary surgeons is 'to help, or at least do no harm'. It is therefore our contention that those who continue to give annual vaccinations in the light of new evidence may well be acting contrary to the welfare of the animals committed to their care.

Yours faithfully,

Richard Allport, BVetMed, MRCVS; Sue Armstrong, MA BVetMed, MRCVS; Mark Carpenter, BVetMed, MRCVS; Sarah Fox-Chapman, MS, DVM, MRCVS; Nichola Cornish, BVetMed, MRCVS; Tim Couzens, BVetMed, MRCVS; Chris Day, MA, VetMB, MRCVS; Claire Davies, BVSc, MRCVS; Mark Elliott, BVSc, MRCVS; Peter Gregory, BVSc, MRCVS; Lise Hansen, DVM, MRCVS; John Hoare, BVSc, MRCVS; Graham Hines, BVSc, MRCVS; Megan Kearney, BVSc, MRCVS; Michelle L'oste Brown, BVetMed, MRCVS; Suzi McIntyre, BVSc, MRCVS; Siobhan Menzies, BVM&S, MRCVS; Nazrene Moosa, BVSc, MRCVS; Mike Nolan, BVSc, MRCVS; Ilse Pedler, MA, VetMB, BSc, MRCVS; John Saxton, BVetMed, MRCVS; Cheryl Sears, MVB, MRCVS; Jane Seymour, BVSc, MRCVS; Christine Shields, BVSc, MRCVS; Suzannah Stacey, BVSc, MRCVS; Phillip Stimpson, MA, VetMB, MRCVS; Nick Thompson, BSc, BVM&S, MRCVS; Lyn Thompson, BVSc, MRCVS; Wendy Vere, VetMB, MA, MRCVS; Anuska Viljoen, BVSc, MRCVS; and Wendy Vink, BVSc, MRCVS.

Adapted from www.katberard.com/hol_vaccination.htm

Pacco de Mongrel
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Amanda85
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May 4, 2006, 3:32 AM

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have juz realize that there is such disease associated with over-vaccination, known as vaccinosis

http://home.earthlink.net/...step/Vaccinosis.html



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netty
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May 25, 2006, 2:32 AM

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I have not vaccinate my dog for years......only the rabies vaccination, I have to do for flying to Malaysia.

In the Netherlands we also have questions about the over vaccination for dogs, now we, and a lot of other countries in Europe, have vaccinations against rabies, which you have to inject once in a 2 or 3 years.

even for England!!!!!!!!

2 years ago I did have an bloodtest done, years she didn't have any injection, but we have to do that for entring Malaysia, and the titters wore perfect.

the last time she did have have everything was in '98, necessary to enter Malaysia........, from then till 2 years ago no vaccination and she was in perfect healthCool

the only thing you help with every year vaccination is the vet's purse Unsure


Amanda85
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May 26, 2006, 2:30 AM

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but its too sad here in m'sia....

i even went to a great arguement wit the m'sia vet over d other forum....

they keep on saying how great is d vaccination....n sounds like if i don't vaccine my dog...my dog will DIE!!

they juz pissed me off.....

nonetheless....i DON"T vaccine my dog annually....

i really feel that natural is d best....

Pacco de Mongrel
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netty
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May 26, 2006, 3:06 AM

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but its too sad here in m'sia....

i even went to a great arguement wit the m'sia vet over d other forum....

they keep on saying how great is d vaccination....n sounds like if i don't vaccine my dog...my dog will DIE!!

they juz pissed me off.....

nonetheless....i DON"T vaccine my dog annually....

i really feel that natural is d best....



it's YOUR dog and YOU are responseble for YOUR dog, when you have read enough about the diseace they can get......you stop, but as I wrote before, the vet think about the purse......

my friend here in Holland is a vet, and he told me it was not necessary to give the vaccination, but very nice the people do come every year, he can pay his 3th holiday of the year from the money......

that's why I also give BARF.......

no more sh*t in my dogWink

and you see you are not alone


Amanda85
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May 26, 2006, 3:11 AM

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yeah.....juz hope tat more m'sian will think tat way too.....Cool

Pacco de Mongrel
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PangurBan
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Nov 13, 2006, 6:09 PM

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Been reading up on this vaccination thingy, and stuff on the adverse effects of vaccines in people. I've decided not to bring my dog for her annual booster.


Amanda85
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Nov 13, 2006, 11:33 PM

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yeah....vaccination is good, but i don't think v need 2 do it annually.

Pacco de Mongrel
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Amber.Faith
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Apr 28, 2007, 2:27 AM

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Hmmm... but don't you all know that you were vaccinated too when you were a baby? Don't cha parents tell you that? Do you even know what's vaccination for???

What's the purpose of vaccination? It's to protect you from diseases. It's very important. You were lucky that you survived thru chicken pocks becoz of the vaccination. So I don't see anything wrong in vaccinating our dogs infact, I feel much safer if they were. Coz if not for vaccination, my dogs would be dead right now!

So think twice first before you bombard vaccinations. We are very lucky that Malaysia provides vaccinations both for humans & animals!


netty
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May 6, 2007, 9:23 PM

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Hmmm... but don't you all know that you were vaccinated too when you were a baby? Don't cha parents tell you that? Do you even know what's vaccination for???

What's the purpose of vaccination? It's to protect you from diseases. It's very important. You were lucky that you survived thru chicken pocks becoz of the vaccination. So I don't see anything wrong in vaccinating our dogs infact, I feel much safer if they were. Coz if not for vaccination, my dogs would be dead right now!

So think twice first before you bombard vaccinations. We are very lucky that Malaysia provides vaccinations both for humans & animals!



I never get a vaccination for chickenpocksTongue

i did get it, the natural way, and I never will get it back.........because my body make antibodies ( I don't know if that's the word)

I did have some vaccinations, but not so many as the kids get now these days.

I think the body can have some disease, it makes it stronger than when you get it over protecting

it's better to think before you give an injection.

I have seen dogs whit a bad immune system, and it's sad to see that they die very young.

you know why they get the bad immune system?????? overvaccination


chrisong
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May 7, 2007, 12:06 AM

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Is over vaccination exit? Never heard that vaccination will get bad immune system.

I only know that dog without getting any vaccinations will get some deceases & died. Due to low antibody to fight the virus.

Better come with facts don't simply teach ppls not to vaccine their pups or dogs. If the pups or dogs died are you responsible for all this?


netty
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May 7, 2007, 4:58 AM

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Is over vaccination exit? Never heard that vaccination will get bad immune system.

I only know that dog without getting any vaccinations will get some deceases & died. Due to low antibody to fight the virus.

Better come with facts don't simply teach ppls not to vaccine their pups or dogs. If the pups or dogs died are you responsible for all this?



I am not saying don't vaccinate your dog...........I try to say, THINK about why and how often you vaccinate your dog.....read about it, don't do it because the doctor tells you......

these days you have vaccinations who are good for 3 year covering, and to many of these vaccinations make the dog sick, they get an overbooster.

what everyone has to know is get your puppie vaccinated, the first 3 or 4 injections I don't know how many your pup must get

but.........there are titters for sale, I don't know if they are for sale in Malaysia, whit these titters you can find out if your dog needs more anti virus or not, when they are older.

I hope that the people here in Malaysia know a little bit about how and what good is for the dog.

but talking with my vet here........I have my thoughts

and Chris, I have seen dogs with the anti immunedesease, caused by to many injections.

one dog had over protected owners, they thought give it and he will never be sickMad

but the worse part in this is............ the vet, he keep on giving the injections that's why I am saying........think before and reed before...........


chrisong
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May 7, 2007, 6:20 AM

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I think its all depend on the dog.

Maybe some dog are allergy to the vaccine that why the dog develop side effect and died. The percentage of dog died of vaccination......hmmm......Maybe 0.0000001% & I never heard of any such cases in Malaysia.

One thing I am sure at, if you don't vaccine your dog the chances your dog getting deadly viruses are very high compare to dog had vaccination following the schedule.


netty
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May 7, 2007, 6:24 AM

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I think its all depend on the dog.

Maybe some dog are allergy to the vaccine that why the dog develop side effect and died. The percentage of dog died of vaccination......hmmm......Maybe 0.0000001% & I never heard of any such cases in Malaysia.

One thing I am sure at, if you don't vaccine your dog the chances your dog getting deadly viruses are very high compare to dog had vaccination following the schedule.



that's your opinion, you are free to think like that.........

mine is not to vaccinate to much, then yo get a more healthy dogWink


chrisong
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May 7, 2007, 6:30 AM

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The choice is yoursCool

I am not a vet. So I will not act smarter than vet and risk my dogs life.


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netty
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May 7, 2007, 6:31 AM

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The choice is yoursCool



thanksCool


steffy1811
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May 11, 2007, 9:22 PM

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wah.....why so much confusion going on....... Crazy

First of all, no such thing as a 'OVER-VACCINATION CAUSES DEATH' lah.......... NEVER in my whole 4 years in medical science school have I ever heard of ppl dying because they receive too many jabs! The only possible reason ppl or dogs die after getting a jab is because of what we call ANALPHYLACTIC shock or some weird ass secondary infection! Because vaccines are made of either dead or dormant viruses. So some bodies just cannot take it and hence after taking the jab, they walk out, drop dead and the next thing u know the Dr announces its time of death. Best example for such a case is the proheart case. But it's sooooooo RARE in so many other vaccines out there.

Vaccines are still medicine which means it's still toxic. So giving your dog way too many vaccines MAY cause harm to its liver or kidneys cos like I said it's due to its toxicity that is affecting certain organs. That's why dosage is extremely important. You can jab a thousand types of vaccine on a giant breed using a toy breed dosage and most probably nothing will happen but just 2 types of vaccine on a toy breed using a giant breed dosage will kill your dog already! Reason: Kidney failure most probably.

Vaccines unlike anti-biotics will NEVER cos resistance. Unlike anti-biotics, vaccines make your body work hard to produce antibody. Vaccines updates ur immune system and makes sure it's doing job and keep you safe from viral attacks. Anti-biotics dont! The more you take, the faster you're gonna die. Cos anti-biotics are bacterial specific. Take anti-A1 for bacteria A1 only. Anti-A1 wont work on Bact-A2. Hence we call that Anti-biotic resistance. Thats why always finish your anti-biotic course!

Puppies with bad immune system are most probably born with it. Most probably nothing to do with vaccinations. Darwin's Theory on Survival of the Fittest REMEMBER! Reasons for puppies born with not so good immune system, most probably due to the mum lah. Not enough nutrients, dirty environments when the puppy is born. Do not forget that when the puppies are in the mum's womb, it's a sterile environment ok. Then come out exposed to all the dust and whatever else is there, of cos habis lah. Humans also like that what........if not for hospitals and its so called sterile environment I think some of us might not even survive after our first vaccination jab which is most probably Hep B.

You're lucky in a way you got chickenpox as a child. Cos once past childhood and you still havent kena, you better go for the jab as Varicella Zoster (chickenpox virus) is more fatal in adults than a child! But dont laugh too soon yet as the virus is still in you. It's hibernating somewhere along your nerve's pathway and waiting for its time to resurface and this time around as Herpes Zoster, they shall be called SHINGLES. Some lucky ones will never get shingles in their entire lifetime. Many, as they get older usually pass 70 years old, sure will kena once shingles. And shingles are known to reappear again and again and again. The only relief are symptomatic like using creams and lotion. Or find chinese sensei lor. So basically the virus is mutating in ur nerve's pathway to become herpes zoster lor!

The vaccine for chickenpox are using dormant viruses. Means not dead and yet not potent. It's just there to trigger ur body to produce immunity and so far studies have not shown that these dormant ones will mutate to be herpes zoster. I never had chickenpox as a child and so I took the jab. I rather take the jab, take my bet 20 years down the road than to suffer with chickenpox at this age.

Yes it totally true, at the end of the day, it's still your call, your decision to go for the jab or not. I'm voicing out my opinion on vaccination as a whole. To me, i'll give my dogs all the necessary vaccination and I will send them in for annual booster just like how I go for my booster jabs too. Since i'm working in the lab, I can always get some blood sample and urine samples from my dogs and run the tests on my own. As long as their kidneys are fine, liver fine, no anemia problem, no weird growth protruding anywhere, i'm fine with all the vaccinations that they can take.

To me, denying your dog vaccinations is like denying them basic healthcare. Didnt they always say, Prevention is always better than cure?








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coffee
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May 12, 2007, 8:03 PM

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Yup. I've seen my friend kena that, which is known as "snake" among chinese community. It is actually the herpesvirus which remain dormant in the nerve and get reacticate. Saw him suffer a lot. Very painful. Expensive medicine, the acyclovir is crazy price. Sorry a bit out topic


coffee
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May 12, 2007, 10:09 PM

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Vaccination. It is a dilemma. Debates and arguements happen everywhere, be it veterinary medicine or human medicine. There is no such thing as THE only or right vaccination schedule. Vaccination programs in US, European Australian and even some of Asian vary slightly from Malaysia. It is depending of the status of the country. Some countries are free from certain diseases, so no vaccination required. Some disease are endemic in a particular country so only that area vaccination is necessary. It is also depending on the activity of your dog. Out door dog, in door dog, hunting dog... There all can have slightly different level of exposure and vaccination requirement can be different.

I'm tired to argue to anyone about vaccination program because people always think we vet only want to earn more money. Vaccination cost RM30-50, treatment for Parvovirus infection RM300-RM500, which one you think the vet can earn more. How about kennel cough and pneumonia? Treatment is not cheap. Blood test and X-ray, antibiotics, nebulisation... All this will cost the owner a lot and potentially fatal. Between vaccination cost of RM30-50, you think to pay a vet treatment cost of hospitalisation, medication, diagnostic work, euthanasia, disposal, which one the vet will earn more? Sorry to say that.

It is true that antibody titre can last more than a year, but that is only for Distemper, Parvo and Adenovirus. There are still other component in the vaccine that do not last for more than a year, for example the flu virus, coronavirus and leptospira. Leptospiral, if infected, can lead to kidney failure and liver failure and it is of zoonotic potential. If you see the vaccination program for the 3-year vaccination, mostly involve only these 3 viruses. And you are advisable to do a blood test to check the antibiotic titer before you skip the vaccination. The blood test in Malaysia is roughly RM50++ per test per dog.

In US, there are vets got sued for malpractice because vaccinate annually as the journal indicate antibody last more than a year. There are also vets got sued for malpractised because vaccinate 3-year, as the vaccine company recommend annual booster. Either way vet are getting sued. Actually there is no single vaccine program. It all depends on the lifestyle. A dog staying 10 floor up in a condo and hardly see sunlight, I think annual booster might be overdoing but I still will not recommend it as the label suggested "annual booster". Vet are liable if go against recommendation. If you dog goes out often enough, doggy gathering, jungle trekking where exposure is clearly more, I will not recommend you to skip any vaccine. The leptospiral can be very dangerous especially you go to area with pools of water. Like stream and river in jungle trekking and mounting climbing. Pool or pond in a doggy gathering events. These water bodies are excellent source of leptospiral.

In human medicine, there are also arguement if to vaccinate or not. There are small groups of people against vaccination. Partly due to the vaccination reaction, partly refuse to let the giant vaccine company to earn extra money, partly due to believe in natural remedy. I think TB is considered eradicated in Malaysia, but it will come back if the vaccination stop. It only takes a small number of people to stop vaccination and the disease will come back. We see a lot of sample being sent to the lab and guess what?

It is your call to choose your dog's vaccination program. The vet will always write the next vaccination date 1 year later. To meet the dateline or not is up to you. Before make any decision, do some research first.


steffy1811
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May 13, 2007, 5:51 PM

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Yalor...agree agree.......

Aiya here ah, when our council ppl still see our dogs as nothing less than pests, better vaccinate kau kau lah........if *touch wood* your dog kena catch, go to pound, aiyayayayaya....guarantee sure will bring back something. My colleague has 4 dogs at home. One day, one dog ran out and got caught by DBKL. Neighbor say DBKL catching dogs, quickly called him at work. He rushed back home to find one of his dogs kena the jackpot lor. So called DBKL, they said they caught dogs from his area and ask him to sendiri go to the ground to look for his dogs. So he went on Monday lah since they do not open on Saturday and Sunday and the dog was caught friday afternoon. They did find the dog there on Monday and brought it home. He is one of those who do not believe in vaccinations at all and always laugh at me for giving 'unnecessary' jabs to them. So when this one got caught, he brought back kennel cough too! So 3 days after being home, one by one of his dogs started falling sick. Called the vet over, confirm kennel cough. All kena go on nebuliser and jabs and donnu what else. After 1 week, one by one recovered. The effenpinscher recovered first followed by the GSD and Great Dane. The one that got caught was a mutt. But exactly 10 days later, the Great Dane died cos he was the oldest dog. Now left 3 and now only all starting vaccination program! Lucky for him, we're working in a lab. So we can conduct our own blood work for a minimal price or even FOC Laugh All his dogs are probably 7-10 years old only wanna start vaccination program. HAHAHAHAH.......i know it's evil to laugh but now at least he has nothing to comment anymore bout me jabbing my dogs.








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coffee
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May 13, 2007, 6:11 PM

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You are so meanlah. Pity him. The great dane is considered very old already. Great Dane generally lives a shorter life. The Dane is considered a very geriatric and the body couldn't cope with it and succumb to the infection.


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steffy1811
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May 13, 2007, 7:14 PM

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Ya lor hahah not mean lah... I just cant help it. I feel bad for his GD too... he always kacau me what Tongue.....thats why when I first join the company and got to know him, I was very surprised that none of his dogs are vaccinated and I told him better vaccinate them because 3/4 of them are pedigree and pedigrees dont have that good immunity as compared to our local mongrels. So better vaccinate. He says no need wor, they are always indoors and sure wont kena one. So I thought ok lah he got a point there. Maybe its true. Little did I know, one of them is an escape artist. When he told me his dog got caught by DBKL and already spent more than 24hours at the pound, i told him better take straight to the vet and don mix with his 3 other dogs first. It totally didnt cross my mind that the dog will bring back infectious disease. What was in my mind was KUTU!!! But lucky is effenpinscher pulled out ok though. She was worst among the 3 and he thought she wouldnt make it. Lucky she came out of it fine. The GD took a turn for the worst very fast and there was nothing the vet can do already.








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coffee
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May 13, 2007, 9:59 PM

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It doesn't matter how long the dog spends in the shelter. Any amount of time, as long as the virus and bacteria can enter the blood stream, the dog will get sick. Enough antibody or memory cells, the dog will be able to fight off the infection. May be just a slight fever, indicating the immune system working overtime, maybe showing slight clinical signs and recover fast. The longer the dog stay, the more exposure. The worse thing there is tick. Can guarantee the dog come back with body full of ticks. I can almost predict the dog will have very bad flu, cough, greenish colour discharge from the nose and the eyes are filled with green colour discharge. Very pityful. When flu progree into pneumonia, that is the difficult part. Strong antibiotic and long term treatment will be in the plan.


Amanda85
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May 16, 2007, 11:43 PM

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when discussing about this....there's definately d pro n cons party...

but from what i read n finally i came to my own conclusion for MYSELF..

vacinnation might be good...but don't over do it...even human ourselves do not go for annual vaccination....my last was 10 yrs ago....

and case studies on long life dogs.....ie more than 15 yrs old....most owner claimed that they did not went for annual vaccination and do not consume commercial dog kibbles...

it did not directly accuse that dog will died from vaccination....there is juz some idea that cause ppl to think that it can actually shorten your dog life span...

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coffee
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May 17, 2007, 11:22 PM

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Re: [Amanda85] UK Vets Unite Against Over-Vaccination! [In reply to] Can't Post

Agree with you amanda85, cool buddy. There are always extreme cases. 95% of individual fall in normal population. There are still some in both extreme. Means don't do anything but never get sick and do every thing but still sick.

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