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c-yee
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Nov 29, 2005, 10:25 PM

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need help in this matter!!!!

my mini schnauzer is born without the right hind leg socket!!!!!!

what make matter worse is that i just notice it recently through an x-ray session. As u c, my dog is almost 2yrs old this coming december.

i am such a fool for not notice it coz i thought it is just her personal walking gait with a limp... untill recently the other leg also started limp also.

the vet told me maybe she is born like that or it might be heriditary and advise me not to breed her, which i happily to heed her advise, but the problem is that the vet told me it is their first time to see such case and they have no experience on this matter. there are many question in my mind at the moment.

my dog doesnt feel any pain though and also very active, likes to jump around. the vet comfirm it with pulling and stretching her legs to see whether there is any pain on the hind legs... but my dog seems to be fine...

is there any member in this forum facing the same problem with me, i need second opinion on my dog situation.. any good vet to recommend who is specialise in this area??? the vet also recommend to give her arthritis tablet every day

please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JoeSmith
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Nov 30, 2005, 12:38 AM

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Sorry to hear that. Dogs with CHD are common, especially giant breed dogs face that problem often. You are considered unlucky to have a MS with that. However, since your dog seems to be OK with it, you could find some comfort in it. In Malaysia the options are limited and certainly costly. Which doctor did you consult? I guess that Dr. Siva is the most senior vet around here and with his AMC (Jln Tun Razak) has the widest range of equipment in the country.

c-yee
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Nov 30, 2005, 6:45 PM

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hi joesmith,

thanks for the reply

i took the x-ray from the vet at tmn segar, the doctor there have no experience in this area.

may i have dr siva full address, i would like to take my dog to visit him, hope he can help in this matter.

by the way what option do i have in order to solve my dog problem??? what will be the consequences is i leave the problem alone???

hope more member can help me in this case

c-yee

JoeSmith
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Nov 30, 2005, 7:07 PM

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The Animal Medical Center at Jalan Tun Razak should be easy to find, it is a big multistory building and it is near PWTC.Consequences to leave it might be a slow deterioration until lameness or nothing at all. Nobody can tell you how your dog will be in the future. There are dogs around with severe CHD and doing fine and other dogs with slight CHD have difficulties with getting up and walking around. To control the weight and to be careful with exercise, jumping, slippery floors and staircases are mandatory control levels. To give your dog some supplements would certainly help, e.g. Cosequin is sold by Dr. Siva. To operate your dog and provide him with an artificial hip socket is an expensive option, but this you should discuss with the vet. I would think that your dog did do well until date and that supplements and the above mentioned restrictions should suffice for the rest of his life.

c-yee
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Nov 30, 2005, 8:57 PM

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thank u so much for ur prompt reply,

just went to the segar vet clinic to collect her x-ray and also talk to the vet. the vet advice me to give her supplement for her hip at the moment and observe her condition for a while before taking any futher step. what do u mean whe u said "Consequences to leave it might be a slow deterioration until lameness or nothing at all"??? is that mean 2 outcome will eventually happen if i leave her problem alone??? either the problem will deteriorate or nothing at all???

i also ask the vet what type of surgery they do provide, and their reply is do the "EXCISIONAL ARTHROPLASTY" on the problem hip. but she may need another surgery to the other hip since she only use and will burden the left leg.

by the way what is this medicine named "consequin", my vet at cheras recommend another medcine for the hip problem... is the consequin a pain killer or what???

JoeSmith
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Dec 1, 2005, 12:15 AM

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It means, if your dog is very lucky then the condition will not change during his life. In the worst scenario the condition worsen until your dog can�t move anymore. Both are very opposite extremes, but possible is anything between as well. Nobody can forecast how your dog�s condition will develop and the advise to monitor is probably the best advise given. There is a variety of medication available (e.g. Cosequin, Flexicose, Yucca Gold) and some dogs have better results with one medication/treatment then others. You could try out whatever your vet recommends or search the internet for alternative treatment. In simple English, the varieties are endless but the options are limited.

coffee
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Dec 2, 2005, 3:21 AM

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First of all, I agree with Joe that AMC is pretty well equiped. But I beg to differ that AMC has the widest range of equipment in this country. I don't see they have anything Segar Pets & Veterinary Services does not have. Also there are others who are equally well equiped, if not better, like Yeoh's Veterinary, University Veterinary Hospital-UPM Serdang.

Secondly, the only one in this country who are board certified to score hip is Dr Heng in UPM. He has Master degree from Melbourne and Colorado, and Diplomate in Radiology. Senior is not equals to experience also does not equal to knowledge.

Thirdly, I agree with Joe that CHD is relatively common in large/giant breed dog. But those found in small/toy breed is not CHD. If I am not mistaken it is called LCPD (Legg Calve-Perthes Disease), due to dying femoral head. The condition in c-yee's dog probably different from both the condition mentioned.

C-yee, come from previous experience from my dog, and heard many stories from other people, I strongly suggest you to go to UPM for second opinion. If you ask the Dr in Tmn Segar, they will recommend you to go to UPM as well, because most of the vet, if not all, in Malaysia will acknowledge Dr Heng as the most qualified vet in our country to look at X-ray.

I am so sorry if my statement offended anyone, just to share some info and experience. No bad intention.

c-yee
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Dec 2, 2005, 6:39 AM

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thanks to both of u, coffee & joesmith,

i'll take my dog along with the x-ray to see HENG fr upm, do i need to make appointment with him or shld i go straight there n see the doctor himself?

i'll probably go there next week, am wondering do they do practises on week end??

coffee
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Dec 2, 2005, 8:45 PM

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Their consultation hour follows government working hour. Log in to the website to check on the map and operating hour.

I think it is better to book appointment with Dr Heng. If walk in, other VO will look at your case and sent for repeat X-ray if necessary. If Dr Heng is on duty, he can give opinion. To be sure, better call for appointment.

JoeSmith
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Dec 2, 2005, 11:57 PM

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Thanks for your input. And NO, I do not feel offended at all. That is the beauty of this forum, it is all about dogs.

You might be right about the level and degree of equipment at other vets. I did not visit them to make a comparison. My opinion came from discussions and statements within this forum and what I heard from other dog owners.

I used to go to the UPM in the late 90�s but was not so happy about it. My furkid was to precious to me to be used for students to learn & practice. Secondly, they were academically parading their positions instead of looking after the animals and keeping the place clean.

AMC might not be the shining star of veterinary services but it is a place you can get (almost) everything done. Another point is that I am a clear supporter of morphine usage for post-operation treatment on animals, something not many vets in Malaysia could provide. Last but not least, I am glad to learn that there are more qualified & well equipped vets in the country then I did anticipate.

coffee
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Dec 4, 2005, 1:34 AM

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Many vets nowadays are more concern and aware of pain management. A lot of vets are using pain killer before, during and after surgery or any pain procedure to combat pain and pain management. Not many people using morphine because it is strictly control by authority as it is very addictive and prone to be missuse (drug addict will go to clinic and hospital to rob). So most of the vet are using other opiods (morphine is one of the opiods, besides oxymorphone, pethdine, buprenorhine, butorphonol, ethorpine...). Some of the opiods are 10 times-100 times the power of morphine, some last longer some act sooner. All come will different and variety of side effect, as no medicines are perfect.

Also, morphine, being potent analgesic, is a strong respiratory and cardiac depressant. Usage of morphine will affect breathing and heart especially during surgery and combination of anaesthetic. Some vets chose not to use because of potential risks of the opiods, and settle for less dangerous drug.

Just my 2 cents after did some research and readings

JoeSmith
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Dec 7, 2005, 10:14 PM

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Impressive research. With such a detailed knowledge, it should be easier to make the �right� decision. Surely, it is up to each dog owner to decide. I prefer to have a dog without pain and no fear to visit the vet. My dog awoke from the operation without having pain and recovered very fast since no post operation trauma. I was fully aware that operation and drugs are not healthy, but I decided that it is better to operate and to use drugs then to leave the conditions untreated.