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tuckfook
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May 18, 2005, 2:07 AM

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http://www.apbtconformation.com/

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/...canstaffordshire.htm

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm

These sites should give you all the necessary points. In general though, The APBT looks less heavily set than the AST though at a glance both are similar.

The ENGLISH Staffordshire Terrier is almost totally different.

http://www.dogbiz.com/...taff-bt/staff-bt.htm

Tuckfook.


ERN
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May 18, 2005, 5:58 PM

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Hi Tuck Fook

The APBT is a great site to view. T.q.v.m.

After went through these sites, found that Staffordshire Bull Terier muzzle look shorter, am I right?

However still cannot differentiate AST vs APBT, study many pictures from internet, they are exactly the same?? Please pin point the places that make them different. Will you help?

Very hard got the chance to see these 3 breeds stand side by side, oterwise this will be the best tips.

t.q.v.m.

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tuckfook
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May 18, 2005, 7:11 PM

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Hi,

I have had only one encounter with a AST and APBT together. Both are similar in height and length but the AST is heavy looking. Like a Rottweiler looks heavy !

The APBT is usually lighter built but both are similarly muscular. This makes the APBT look like it has an unusually big head. Of course a fat APBT can look like a AST from afar but then you can tell fat from muscle.

The Muzzles are both very similar with the APBT looking more square being slightly broader. Both have similarly muscular jaws and jaw structure.

A big heavy "pit bull" usually turns out to be an AST. The AST being a recognised breed has to conform to standards unlike the APBT.

In my opinion, the AST is the better looking of the two as the APBT looks more like a mongrel with a big head !

In action, the APBT is more agile than the AST. The APBT comes in many colour variations.

Tuckfook.


ERN
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May 18, 2005, 8:20 PM

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HI

So that is no "Obvious" differences between them from their appearance. Only ppl with experience with both breeds able to do so. So when goverment banned APBT, AST has to be banned also. Too bad for AST.

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tuckfook
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May 19, 2005, 7:45 PM

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Hi,

LOL,,,,,the authorities can't tell the diff if you import a AST, APBT, Boxer, Bull terrier, or many other similar dogs at the puppy stage. That is if you have to go through the proper channels.

As for the ban, who is enforcing it ? AFAIK The only person(s) acting as vigilante for the ban is a certain vet in Penang who will destroy any APBT they come across whilst giving treatment !

There are many people still bringing in APBT thru Thailand.

Temperament wise, I don't think the AST will be much different from the APBT as they come from similar lineage.

Tuckfook.


ERN
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May 19, 2005, 10:44 PM

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You wrote "As for the ban, who is enforcing it ? AFAIK The only person(s) acting as vigilante for the ban is a certain vet in Penang who will destroy any APBT they come across whilst giving treatment ! "Shocked


Do you mean these vet will destroy our dog if we bring our dog there for treatment??Shocked How can they do that? They inject something quitely ah? Shi Pek Yao Shiou! boycot these vet

government ban the dog with the condition no import, but whatever ppl have will continue at die down basis right? then got question can they breed? I dont thing it is an offends rite?

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tuckfook
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May 22, 2005, 12:09 AM

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Unfortunately it is not easy o boycot a vet as this particular vet is popular. Remember not everyone is for the keeping of APBT !Yes, the APBT are probably injected with poison as the vet usually recommends a hospital stay for the dog and the next day it is dead.

May be considered unethical by some but as far as the vet is concerned, he's doing a civic duty. Anyway, APBT owners do not go to him anymore.

I know of people who have imported APBT pups recently. Maybe kopi duit I dunno. Many good fighting dogs have been bred in Malaysia so there is no shortage of APBT here.

I really do not know what conditions the ban is for APBT or if there is a ban or not. Sometimes just talk and local SPCA make belief that there is a ban. When I had 7 APBT nobody came round to summons me or anything except Majlis Perbandaraan came to collect dog license fee.


ERN
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May 24, 2005, 5:01 PM

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Hi Tuck Fook

I remember the ban is in end 80s when a APBT killed a guy/old lady [cant remember which] in Singapore. Malaysia suddenly included the breed in the banned list. I am not sure was there any publicity.

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tuckfook
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May 24, 2005, 6:26 PM

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Yes, I remember the talk about the ban, similarly with Rottweilers. I do not see any action with regards to the ban though.

Maybe the lack of enforcement or follow thru is good for us dog lovers.


glng675
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May 24, 2005, 11:06 PM

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Hi tuckfook,

U from Penang?



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ERN
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May 24, 2005, 11:10 PM

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Aiyah Peng Yu

I think Tuck Fook kulim lang lai leh, Yi tee Kulim Pak Suah Too. Lu lang siang kampung eh.

Tuck Fook, Am I right?

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glng675
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May 24, 2005, 11:19 PM

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Aiyah Peng Yu

I think Tuck Fook kulim lang lai leh, Yi tee Kulim Pak Suah Too. Lu lang siang kampung eh.

Tuck Fook, Am I right?

Wu??? Kulim lang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ka gin kai siau wa pat, wa ai kua E A PT!!!!



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ERN
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May 24, 2005, 11:25 PM

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Thong kim yi boh pure APBT liow lah. Yi cham kah pak leh breed liow loh.

Yi choh research cham APBT other to facilitate yi pak shua too.

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last update, ZEUS & Shiki's 2nd off springs, 16/09/2008. Yes 9.16!

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glng675
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May 25, 2005, 12:08 AM

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Hahaha....pak shua too better bring king of terrier coz E A bark mah....

PB seldom bark even lawan time....



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tuckfook
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May 25, 2005, 7:32 PM

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Ha Ha Ha LOL

I am from Penang, hunting dogs kept in Sg. Kob (near Kulim) and hunting around areas from Kulim to upper Perak(Ijok)

Yes, no more pure APBT for me. I fear for my neighbours' dogs. In my house(Penang), I have 5 beagles, 2 boxer x PBT

Good guess, almost right, very close.

Am Looking for Fox Terrier....any have a bitch to go ? Free is best otherwise can compensate. Must not be spayed.

Anyone want to train a Beagle for show ? I have one with potential.

Tuckfook.


glng675
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May 25, 2005, 7:45 PM

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Sg Kob arrr??!!! I near there ler...hunting Sua too is OK, dun hunting kena wa..hahahha...

Ehh...u go Sg Kob eat fish or not? got 1 or 2 fish restaurants there....

Waww...5 beagle arr!!!! How is the look Boxer x PBT? can send pics?

you looking for fox terrier hah? let me check for you in B'worth. BTW wat is your contact number?



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ERN
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May 25, 2005, 8:37 PM

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Hi peng yu

Good tuck fook got the boxer+APBT mixed, so you can see the result and you can do that too.

but..

Lu ei APBT so heong, before your boxer got the chance to touch her, kena bite leow. after that beh chor kang, boh kao kia keow.

Peng yu, wa ei tour changed leow, so maybe can not goback on 11-12 June, should be 18-19 June leh. Dun know yet. Very sorry. Will tell you later.

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glng675
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May 26, 2005, 1:14 AM

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Hahaha...like this dun dare to breed my PB with boxer lor..coz I only got 1 nice male boxer mah...if E beh chor kang, then cham liaooooooUnimpressed

Wor??!! change schedule liao....u inform Kevin boo??



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ERN
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May 26, 2005, 1:56 AM

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ah boy kok leh. boy confirm teow.

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tuckfook
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May 26, 2005, 2:52 AM

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Both digital cameras in the repair shop. Looking at your photos,( of your dog ) my 2 mth old puppy is almost the same as yours except the face is not anywhere near as wrinkled. FYI mine is 2 generation. ie pitbull x Boxer = 1st gen. cross "BxPb" BxPb 1 cross BxPb2 produced this 2nd gen pup.

Can take photo with phone tomorrow and I'll send by MMS to your phone if your like. Pls. give me your number. Otherwise can send to email. Email address pls.

Sg. Kob fish ? I know the fish breeders there. Not so appetising when you see what the fish get fed. Anyway, I eat sometimes, but prefer salt water fish.

Tuckfook.


ERN
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May 26, 2005, 5:20 PM

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Hi Tuck Fook

You cross BxPb1 + BxPb2,

Is BxPb1 and BxPb2 from the same litter, means they are brother and sister? am i correct to use the term "inbreeding"? will this cause any defect on the litter? sometime I encounter this theory in internet, but I am not sure whether it is true.

If they are from the same sire but different dams and the dams are from the same litter, is this considered as inbreeding, will it produce defective litter? How about if the dams are from the different litter with no connection at all.

How about the other way, they are from the same dam but diffrent sires, and the sires are from diffrent litter? how about if the sires are from the same litter?

I also wonder, whether the animal in the wild mates among the sibling.

THis is just purely my curiousity and please not to be deemed as contention. Sincerely. Can you enlightern me, since you are experience in this area.

t.q.

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last update, ZEUS & Shiki's 2nd off springs, 16/09/2008. Yes 9.16!

http://s56.photobucket.com/...%20Zeus%20N%20Shiki/

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glng675
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May 26, 2005, 5:22 PM

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Mine wan Mxxs 495. 3908 or at msn .

ohh..face also can wrinkle like boxer hah!! BxPB kena dock tail or not?

Ya lar...I know what they fed to the fish..not so appetize, u are right! But still many ppls go there ler with their big car.

Other than hunting Sua Too, is there any other animals kena hunt? such as deer....



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tuckfook
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May 26, 2005, 7:29 PM

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In breeding does bring out the worst as well as the best, with all the in betweens !

If parents have a bad or unwanted factor then the chances of this bad or unwanted factor may appear in their cross. The same holds for if the ancestry of the dogs to be mated have an unwanted factor, then their offsprings can possibly have this unwanted trait.

This is why, inbreeding is not recommended for most people.

A specialist breeder may choose dogs with traits that are wanted, irrespective of whether they are siblings or not. The results may not be pleasing but the converse holds and you may have exactly what you aimed for. In any case, a long time ago in Germany, it was established that you will probably have a mixture so you have to be prepared to cull the ones with the unwanted traits, cruel as it may seem but thats how all the different breeds were established.

In nature, survival takes care of the culling. All animals will mate with their siblings.

A wild dog may be a specific species and their offsprings will be almost a clone, so inbreeding will not affect it that much. Most of our breeds are hybrids ie. with a mixture of genes from different species so it contains both wanted and unwanted genes.

There are dominant genes and others not as strong. If a wanted factor comes from non dominant gene then careful inbreeding may produce a dog with that wanted trait but without the dominant factor overcovering it. But be prepared for a lot of culling! Eg black colour will dominate. surprisingly a pointed snout dominates.

With modern genetic studies, we will soon be able to identify genes with specific traits so dog breeds could be better planned. Right now, we rely on the dogs' family tree. If a bad gene exists in one side but does not show for several generations is crossed with another that again does not show this defect but also carries this gene, the chances of this defect showing up becomes very high. Invisible until the puppy is born. When you cross a specific breed, even though both parents come from different ends of the universe, it is inbreeding but because the gene pool is so large, the chances of 2 similar genes, which are not showing on the parents, getting together in the offspring will be extremely small.

So in specialised breeding you have to be prepared for the worst ! APBT and Boxers are from different breeds so usually inbreeding for a few generations is quite safe. Mine are from different sires and dams.

Tuckfook.


glng675
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May 27, 2005, 6:51 PM

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Hi Tuck Fook

You cross BxPb1 + BxPb2,

Is BxPb1 and BxPb2 from the same litter, means they are brother and sister? am i correct to use the term "inbreeding"? will this cause any defect on the litter? sometime I encounter this theory in internet, but I am not sure whether it is true.

If they are from the same sire but different dams and the dams are from the same litter, is this considered as inbreeding, will it produce defective litter? How about if the dams are from the different litter with no connection at all.

How about the other way, they are from the same dam but diffrent sires, and the sires are from diffrent litter? how about if the sires are from the same litter?

I also wonder, whether the animal in the wild mates among the sibling.

THis is just purely my curiousity and please not to be deemed as contention. Sincerely. Can you enlightern me, since you are experience in this area.

t.q.



Ehhhh....GOOD questions!!!!!!

This is what I want to know long time ago...but I cant get the answer!!!



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glng675
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May 27, 2005, 6:55 PM

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In breeding does bring out the worst as well as the best, with all the in betweens !

If parents have a bad or unwanted factor then the chances of this bad or unwanted factor may appear in their cross. The same holds for if the ancestry of the dogs to be mated have an unwanted factor, then their offsprings can possibly have this unwanted trait.

This is why, inbreeding is not recommended for most people.

A specialist breeder may choose dogs with traits that are wanted, irrespective of whether they are siblings or not. The results may not be pleasing but the converse holds and you may have exactly what you aimed for. In any case, a long time ago in Germany, it was established that you will probably have a mixture so you have to be prepared to cull the ones with the unwanted traits, cruel as it may seem but thats how all the different breeds were established.

In nature, survival takes care of the culling. All animals will mate with their siblings.

A wild dog may be a specific species and their offsprings will be almost a clone, so inbreeding will not affect it that much. Most of our breeds are hybrids ie. with a mixture of genes from different species so it contains both wanted and unwanted genes.

There are dominant genes and others not as strong. If a wanted factor comes from non dominant gene then careful inbreeding may produce a dog with that wanted trait but without the dominant factor overcovering it. But be prepared for a lot of culling! Eg black colour will dominate. surprisingly a pointed snout dominates.

With modern genetic studies, we will soon be able to identify genes with specific traits so dog breeds could be better planned. Right now, we rely on the dogs' family tree. If a bad gene exists in one side but does not show for several generations is crossed with another that again does not show this defect but also carries this gene, the chances of this defect showing up becomes very high. Invisible until the puppy is born. When you cross a specific breed, even though both parents come from different ends of the universe, it is inbreeding but because the gene pool is so large, the chances of 2 similar genes, which are not showing on the parents, getting together in the offspring will be extremely small.

So in specialised breeding you have to be prepared for the worst ! APBT and Boxers are from different breeds so usually inbreeding for a few generations is quite safe. Mine are from different sires and dams.

Tuckfook.



Hi Tuckfook,

Yeah!!! Hope could meet you soon to understand more about breeding matter...I'm really interested!!!!



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