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shaun_sia
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Dec 23, 2004, 12:31 AM

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I am not sure if my Stout, a rottweiller aged 7 mths is suffering from hips dysplasia???

He seems to have some problem with his left hind leg ... he walks with a limp with that particular foot not touching the floor / ground...

However, the limp disappear after a week or so ....he is back to normal...

I noticed that he always have the problem after he has a rough session with my the other 1-year old rottweiller, Mars...

Does the session cause the injury... i am not sure.. how to tell...please help...

thank u so much.... beribu-ribu terima kasih...xia xia...ng gui..kam sia.....


kokkiwi
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Jan 19, 2005, 3:00 AM

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my rottie is also having the same problem. do not waste time, put him on glucosamine and condrothin eg cosquin or senoquin. 500 mg twice a day. ie 2 tablets a day. suppose to help the joint and cartilage to grow properly. Mine stared 2 weeks ago, so far not much improvement but must try for at least a month for results to show.

have just posted a tread on the same matter and hope members can help with advice

As we both have a rottie of similar age with the same problem please share any info you may have

good luck


chilimson
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Jan 26, 2005, 5:53 AM

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Could both of you post their parent's pedigree and where did you all buy the puppies from, I may be able to guess if they are associated to European genetic issue.

I will not feed calcium, and that is the last thing to do. Gloucosomine and Chondroitin supplement is fine and get those human consumable stuff will do. Go to website to check for purity of those stuff, because a lot of dosage is a function of how pure they are. For example, 1000mg @60% purity is only 600mg. Give them 1000mg a day will be fine. I will recommend 500mg to 100mg of Vitamin C, and this is a countroversial topic. It all depends on what is the real cause of the HD. I have read and research this topic for years, and the web has lots and lots of articles. But I do believe in Vitamin C, just in case there are needed. HD is not calcium deficient, so do not waste money on Calcium based supplement. Some HD is attibutable to too much calcium cause disproportionate growth.

Cut their food so that they stay slim, that is you should be able to see their last one or two ribs from the stomach area.

Do not take them for any severe workout or run of any "force" manner. Free running or walking is okay, that is they must not be compel to workout. They are at liberty to rest if they are tired or in pain.

If you can get them swimming, that will be the greatest thing you can do for them. I used to bring my to the sea and they could swim for hours. The idea is that the rear buttock muscles are not strong enough to hold the femur into the socket. Therefore swimming will allow you to build the rear muscle up without the impact or damage to the joints.

Lastly, try to get a injectable medication called Adequan, and it works wonders, if the damage is not aggravated beyond repair.

Believe me, there is great chance to prevent them going lame, if you just do not push them now and let them grow or tone up their muscle slowly.


sbt
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Mar 8, 2005, 6:15 PM

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Hi chilimson ,
Your advises and suggestions are give me hope. My puppy about 7 months old suddenly walk with a limp. The Vet x-rayed and confirmed that she has Hip Dysplasia.

She is on pain killer & Synoquin. I do hope and pray that as she grow her condition will improve.

You Mentions Adequan?? Where can I buy it or which Vet presribe it?

Thank You.
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leecy
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Mar 8, 2005, 6:49 PM

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chilimson~

sorry im new in HD area, but i wish to learn more. can u pls briefly explain what is HD? thanks..

Chen Yang




Regards,

Yang


chilimson
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Mar 9, 2005, 5:50 AM

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Hi SBT, is your dog limping the same loving GR on your avatar? It is quite sad, that some folks around this region continue to breed GR that is carrying HD legacy. I am from Singapore and know quite some cases already, and hope this is not the same pedigree line that is floating around. All GR are great and popular, and so they could also be target of money printing machine. If you have the pedigree line, then you should post them so that people do not breed them anymore, just for the sake of the future GR.

I do not mean to judge your vet, but I hope you are very sure that it is HD. Please do your own reading on the web, because there are really tons of reference materials on HD. However, at 7 months detection, it is also great because you have a chance to help not make it worse. I have a friend who have a GR with the same issue and now "seems" okay, that is no more limping.

1. No overfeeding, keep the meals small and never overweight.

2. No "forced" excercise, like leased running, long walk without rest, cycling, playing with other dogs, retrieving balls or jerky abrupt movement. Just short walks or leisure walk or allow the dog to play at his own pace. Preferably on grass field or beach, but not smooth or wet floor.

3. Build the dog muscle up slowly, that is the area near the buttock and the thigh. Swimming will be great, because it does not exert pressure on the joint and thus lesser damage.

4. Cage him or put him in a run, and try not to allow him to jump.

5. Okay, will share with you my opinion about pain killer, and let you decide. By the way, I am not a vet and so please treat this as just a discussion. Pain is a feedback loop to the brain, to tell the body to stop doing what it is doing because it hurts. It is the same for human, so you will not move any of your limp if it is injured and painful. Now, if you take pain killer and the pain is relief, would you continue to move your injured limp even though there is lesser pain? Guess human brain is bigger than the lovely furry friends, and you will not aggravate the situation. However, dogs are different and obliging, and will succumb to briberies and cravings. Therefore, if you give pain killer and do not constraint them, then the consequences could become worst. The dog will not limp for the short term, but the damage to the joint will eventually get worst.

If you do subscribe to my feedback story, then it is important for one to really build up the muscle slowly. It is important to have strong muscle to hold the bone or joints together. This is very similar to human as well. The joint has some injury and sends the pain signal, the muscle around will not be moved because it is too painful. Then the muscle become "stiff" and will not hold the joints together or into the socket. The loose joints will be damaged more easily, and the cycle repeats and get worse.

The trick is to give some relief, but allow some exercise after some slow warming up. Loosen the muscle with short walk or massage, and then continue to walk or allow free movement. You could increase the duration and walking distance to build up the muscle, and eventually I hope the limp will be gone. Of course with no pain killer.

Sorry for the long narrative. Adequan is available in the US, but I do not know whether it is available in Malaysian. Please check the website, and find out whether there is similar alternative in Malaysia. I think it is founded for horse, hmm..racing horses. Adequan is a brand name, and the medical component is on the website.


chilimson
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Mar 9, 2005, 5:59 AM

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Hi Chen Yang,

HD is a hip joint problem that is pretty common to large dogs. Simply speaking, there is a ball and socket joint at the hip and it become loose. The ball started to grind the socket, and it no longer sit properly. Then pain will cause the dog to limp, and finally not able to walk. The cause is heavily debated and I will not spend time writing it on this forum. Just going the google search type the full HD, which is the title of the thread.


sbt
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Mar 9, 2005, 6:29 AM

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Hi chilimson





I agree with you on the “pain killer” I think I should discontinue it.

What you said is certainly good advises. As for Adequan, nope it is not available here.

It seem to be good according to their website.



By the way the puppy having HD is not the avartar one. It is another dog “storm”

Thank You for your advises.
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chilimson
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Mar 10, 2005, 5:21 AM

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It is available over the net, and you should be able to buy them. It is not like vaccine and needed to be shipped in dry ice. These stuff are really really good for helping the dog, and it sort of act like a pain killer. It is not a cure, and will not help after the joints are gone. But definitely a great help if you are working on the limping issue. Please believe me. It is very easy to administer because it is injected into the muscle. If you do not know how to do it, email me.


sbt
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Mar 17, 2005, 12:21 PM

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Hi All,

Hi chilimson,

My wife & I were mulling the idea of surgery if Storm situation worsen or no improvement after 6 weeks on Synoquin and mild exercises. Going to dig a hole in my pocket.



So far I understand that, Vet will cut off the “ball” part of the thigh bone and after that rehabilitation. Somehow the buttock muscle suppose to hold the hip together.



Being working couple, we certainly have no time to care for her. So we try our best not to go that path.

Hopefully all will ends well for her after our care and supplement.



Another thing is that Thunder is coming of age and always tries to hump Storm whenever he get the change. This may aggrevate the situation. I might have to neuter Thunder or spray storm soon or both.



What do you think?
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chilimson
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Mar 18, 2005, 6:34 AM

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Hi SBT,

Looks like you cannot get Adequan, because I think it will really give you a better chance. I tried looking for you email address but could not find it. I was thinking of passing you information that I am not sure whether could be posted here.

Cutting the femur head is what is normally done over here, because not many vet here do hip replacement. I think cutting femur is okay as a pet and do not expect serious play or work from the dog after that, and they could walk comfortably without a limb.

I think it is better to spay the female, because it is the hormones that will create the problem not only for Thunder, but for any males within the radius of your habitat that the wind could carry the scent. It is normally excreted together with the urine. Neutering the male, will not stop him from the mounting because it is the scent and the brain and not the testerone that create the problem. This is my opinion.

Please email me at chlimson@hotmail.com if you have other questions.


sbt
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Mar 18, 2005, 7:22 AM

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I supposed you are right.When Storm is better, I will have her spay.

Thanks!

bobt@streamyx.com
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robros
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Mar 21, 2005, 10:56 PM

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HD is so common in Malaysia and the indiscrimate breeding by unscrupulous breeders does not help the situation at all. I bought my female Rottie when she was already 7 mths old. I pitied her as she was stuck in a small cage. She had such skinny legs and when they let her out, she could not walk much let alone jump. She was too friendly. No one wanted a overfriendly Rottie.

Many people advised me against it but I wanted to give her a better life. She is now 9 years old. Adorably sweet and healthy. Her legs are still skinny but they are now strong and hardly gets sick.

My male Rottweiler is supposedly from European & Aussie champion lineage (according to his papers). He is good looking but always have problems with his limbs. Either had cysts on his elbow (despite being an indoor dog then), weak hind legs and now at 8 years old, he has developed trembling hind legs. Have started him on nerve medication Neurobin and seems that the shaky leg syndrom really lessen considerably. I am not certain about him having HD. He does not seem to suffer from pain in his legs...although when he runs, his back legs hop a little like rabbit.


chilimson
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May 22, 2005, 11:36 PM

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Hi Robros, I am not sure how the nerve treatment drug will help, and I think giving him Glucosonmine and Chondroitin supplement will be a better deal. I still think your male have HD, and the shaking is because of pain and evident from the bunny hop.

I agree with you about breeding problem, and this is not just a Rottie issue.


PSY
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May 24, 2005, 7:43 AM

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Hi Robros,

Just saw your problem and not sure if your 9 year old is suffering from HD but I know that my dog trainer from Singapore who has a Lab has that problem and the vet there has been giving a jab call Cartrophen and is working very well. The Glucosamine is really not that good in fixing the problem but is good for maintainence and probably good for the long run. This particular Lab is train for obedience and he came out of retirement after his second jab.

On another matter on HD, is I feel can be avoided if owners of these breeds stop their puppy from jumping up on their hind legs when small. I have no real proof but if the joints are not strong why aggravate it further. This is just a thought and I do not let my dogs when puppy jump up not till they are a tear old.

All the best and do ask your vet about Cartrophen.


PSY
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May 24, 2005, 7:47 AM

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Hi,

Not sureof your problem but at 7 months old it may also be lack of exercise, it should be doing at least 3 clicks a day. Check his weight, puppies are better to be under weight than over. Slippery floor do not help either plus standing on it's hind legs.

Note the above first especially now when after play time it suffers, wiser to build up it's legs first.

All the best


PSY
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May 24, 2005, 7:50 AM

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Hi,

Ask your vet about the Cartrophen jab. More infor in my reply to Robros.

Best of luck.


JoeSmith
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Jun 6, 2005, 10:11 PM

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Hi, I kept my pup because I expected CHD and when she was 6 months old, we confirmed that with x-ray. She was on several products to keep her pain-free but best experience (in Malaysia) with Cosequin. However, each dog will respond differently, so you have to try it out.

To swim does not really help since dogs do not move their hindlegs while swimming, at least not much. It would be better to walk upstream in a river. The water should be deep enough to partially carry the weight but without lifting the dog from the ground.

The best food available (BARF, if possible) and keeping the dog slightly underweight improves quality of life for any dog with CHD.

We have rubber tiles around the house and on the staircase to minimize damage to the paws, legs and joints.

To limit activities and to avoid jumping are "compulsory" when having a dog with CHD.

Last but not least, lots of love (and quite a bit of money) to provide the dog with a meaningful and happy life.


singguan
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Jul 7, 2005, 4:42 AM

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Hi everyone, I am Sing Guan from Ipoh.
Seem like I have found the help after a long search. We, my wife and me got a 4 months GR puppy few months back. After about 2 months with us, we noted that she walk like a duck. After some searching by my wife, we finally send her to a vet. No x-ray so far but the vet advise us to limit her movement. We finally move her to our spare room and cover the floor with car mat. So far so good. However, we are considering cover up our living hall so to give her more freedom. At the moment, she took Flexijoint as supplement.

Need some advices:
1. What kind of antislip floor mat is suitable?
2. At her age, any chances of recovery?
3. If I restrain her movement, would that result is a weak muscle later?
4. Where I can find a vet that specialised in this. So far, we have consulted 4 vet here in Ipoh. Not very convincing except one?

Thanks a lot for the help.

Sing Guan

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JoeSmith
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Jul 8, 2005, 6:45 PM

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Hi Sing Guan,
Nobody can see CHD without x-ray. To find a vet who can analyze the x-ray correctly is another story. AMC in KL is capable of doing it, but sorry, no idea if there is any qualified vet in Ipoh.
Anything that provides slip protection will do the job. I used plastic tiles for quite some times and now, I am using the magic dirt mats (sold in supermarkets for the purpose to clean the shows at the entrance).
Recovery from CHD? Well, it happen but do not bet on it. Provide joint supplementation, Vitamin C, walking “up stream”, good food and controlled movement, no jumping, no force to exercise, etc. You might be lucky to hold any further deterioration of the joints or if you are very lucky to experience a recovery.
Weak muscles come from not allowing to move around. Your dog knows his limits and has a natural instinct and interest to exercise. If you never force to exercise, don’t go for long walks (for a puppy not more then 500 m at one time) but also never cage him, then he will be just fine.
Good Luck.


singguan
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Jul 20, 2005, 7:06 AM

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Thanks a lot, JoeSmith. At the moment, I have put my puppy on synoquin and flexi joint as her daily diet supplement. (look very similiar both medicine)

I have yet to find a vet the capable of doing a Xray for my puppy. Do you mind provide me with the contact for AMC. I need to call them to arrange for x-ray unless they can recommend one in Ipoh. By the way, you said vitamin C for puppy. I only gave her multiple vitamin so far. How much she can take daily?

At the moment, we "caged" inside her room most of the time. Just let her out to release herself. We do gave her some time to walk around in our garden with little playing with both of us. Less then 30 minutes daily. Just want her to work out her muscle.

Thank once more. Baobei is our first dog and both of us is a bit nervous sometime. Thanks for your patient and advice.

Sing Guan


JoeSmith
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Jul 20, 2005, 7:02 PM

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Dear Sing Guan, you are welcome and I am happy when I could be of any help.

The phone number for AMC is: zero three four zero four two six seven four two

Vitamin C has proven in some tests to be helpful and you have to try out the dosage. If you give to much then she might have loose poop. Start with 500 milligram per day and see how she reacts.

Don’t worry to much. Let her walk around on her own decision. She will not overdue or strain herself. Just do not force her to exercise.Be happy and enjoy the company of your puppy.


singguan
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Jul 26, 2005, 4:48 AM

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Dear JoeSmith,

Just wondering is there any vitamin C that specifically for puppy. I have asked my vet but he dont have it. Even the pet house does not have vitamin C alone for puppy. Can I use vitamin C for human in replace. Any side effect. I plan to start this as soon as possible.

Thanks.


JoeSmith
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Jul 26, 2005, 6:39 PM

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Dear friend, the ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) is the same for everyone. You could select the buffered version, which would be released slowly instead of instantly. However, not much different and since you are feeding a puppy, you could divide the daily portion over all meals; hence, don’t even have to bother about the buffered version.Try to find under the scientific name (ascorbic acid), which is normally cheaper then under the commercial name (Vitamin C). The powder form is cheaper then the tablet, but needs your attention for correct dosage.

 
 




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