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RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Oct 26, 2004, 11:45 PM

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"I tend to believe if a Rottie cower in fear is not a good representative of the breed. Just like any other breeds they have their problems as well perhaps from bad breeding. Therefore, a responsible breeder will never use such dog in their breeding program. "

How would a show judge know that if in a show,nothing is tested to show whether or not he would run in fear? Unless, the part where the judge comes up to feel the bones/structure is considered a mild courage test?Crazy

Also....*sigh*...guess you're right abt the whole "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"....very personal.. Unsure
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surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Oct 26, 2004, 11:51 PM

Post #102 of 161 (3187 views)
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Hi ...

" ... I would also like to sum up the aspiration judge's thought! To be a good judge, one should not only be able to spot the quality of a dog but able to interpret it in words and writing. It is an in-born talent to see a good dog and to be able to breed them to carry on the legacy of excellence, of course text books and experience counts too (what we call an eye for a dog, which I think is pretty much in-born and I know text books judges and cyber-breeder cum judges who are in its own way very educational!) but most importantly, to be able to interpret the standards of each breeds and express your point of view as a judge is utmost importance. That in itself shows your fluency in the breed you judge and the confident attached to it. The in-born talent, well, that's a talent that's cannot be incorporated! That is why those talent and experience if not nurtured by our club, MKA and if a judge needs a third party to sum up for him to express his or her points of views, all is ruined!!! If one is qualify as a judge, or even been considered at the 'call-off' All Breed Championship Show in Malacca show end of the year, and needs a 3rd party who have bred nothing to back up his explanation and statement, I am disgusted! I think he or she will be able to explain soundess, type and other required jargons used ever so frequent in the breeding or showing of dogs by themselves and be confident with it! ... Anyway, the strong words are not meant to personal attack anyone but I hope one should learn up quickly and be a good future judge otherwise, one should just quit ..."

If the above is the post you are referring to – then Riccaval, you are absolutely correct to pay no attention to it … BECAUSE whoever wrote that post hasn’t got a clue as to what he/she is talking about and is certainly & completely clueless as to - what is required of a “good” judge …
That post is is futile in concept, comprehension and execution …

For example:

*** What on earth has inborn talent as in “eye for a dog” got to do with the qualities of a judge? … Natural talent helps, but to say that only those with such inborn talent are qualified to be a judge - is total nonsense.

*** What on earth has inborn talent as in “eye for a dog” have to do with quality of “words & writing” … There are many people with inborn talent who cannot communicate effectively to save their lives …

*** What has “nurturing of MKA” got to do with the whole issue? … The only thing that MKA does (as with all dog associations) is provide the means to becoming a judge (and maybe hold come classes) but that is all … A person (his upbringing, his/her family & friends) provide all the essential nurturing & support system required to make a person whole enough to don the mantle of judgeship ...

*** As for “words & writing” being so critical that unless it is possessed – “all is ruined” … that is the biggest crap pile I have seen for a while ...

The reality is ... judges don’t suddenly become super-humans just because they are appointed or acquire the title “judge” … Judges remain people with all the frailties of the human race ... Which is why ... of all qualities in a judge - the most desired is “integrity” …

And “integrity” is composed of many elements, not least of which are:

(a) Honesty ... Honesty to others and with the self …

And honesty with self - is comprised of (i) the self realisation that a judge is not the font of all knowledge ... (ii) the ability and willingness to listen to others, and consider all relevant points of view … (c) last but not least, the courage and willingness to admit one’s own shortcomings and mistakes ... and seek improvement.

(b) Courage ... to do that which is correct, to the best of one's ability ... without fear or favour.

As for other qualities ... such as "understanding & knowledge" of the relevant area or field in which judging is practiced ... or the ability to communicate with language ... these are important too - BUT these are elements that can be learnt & improved upon ... and a judge with the integrity (described above) will seek to learn and improve continuously ... understanding that even as a judge, he/she is not the font of all knowledge ...

So when is all ruined? ... All is ruined when a judge does not possess integrity ... all is also lost if a judge possesses the self inflated ego exhibited by the person who wrote the offending post.

Judges ought to be more leaned than witty, more reverent than plausible, and more advised than confident. Above all things, integrity is their portion and proper virtue. Francis Bacon (1889 - 1981)

In your discussion with LCK & Skipper - I for one, respect the manner in which you simply admitted mistake and moved on ... integrity ...

And I also think you reacted/responded to the specious attack in that post with class ... you have been real "cool" man ... Smile ...

Cheers


(This post was edited by surchinmy on Oct 27, 2004, 12:03 AM)


boon
Doggyman


Oct 26, 2004, 11:56 PM

Post #103 of 161 (3181 views)
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oh lovely....my boy luuuuuve cats so much......what a wonderful and tasty dinner Tongue

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


boon
Doggyman


Oct 27, 2004, 12:03 AM

Post #104 of 161 (3173 views)
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May be i can answer a bit for u here Blush


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How would a show judge know that if in a show,nothing is tested to show whether or not he would run in fear? Unless, the part where the judge comes up to feel the bones/structure is considered a mild courage test?Crazy



To fight or flight - in europe...dogs need to get themselves qualify for the BST before they can stand at stud....so the courage test, temperement and etc are covered in the breed survey. May be Bookie or Poll can help u here...am not a rott person....

When the judge (some of the european judges) when come into judging the specialty, they normally will not toch the jaw of the rotts, only the body/bones and etc. The handler should open up the mouth of the dog for evaluation. And most important this is not a courage test at all.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


boon
Doggyman


Oct 27, 2004, 12:19 AM

Post #105 of 161 (3156 views)
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Hi LCK,

Sorry overlook this one....


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What if all get throw backs to their grandparents or greatgrandparents? Then what? But you merely increase the likelihood of getting it.



I totally understand what u r trying to convey....out of the 5 generations pedigree, namely out of 31 animals in the sire and another 31 animals in the dam, each said dog has about 3.225% of reproducing itself (assumed that no linebreed in the common ancestry. And the simple math calculation go on and on depending on the SAME dog(s) reoccurences in the pedigree. Sometime, mother nature is just too unpredictable.......1+1 in dog breeding will not always = 2..... do u agree with me ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Oct 27, 2004, 12:24 AM

Post #106 of 161 (3151 views)
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Hi Boon ...

Think you are going back to your original question ... If you breed a dog with good temperament with another dog with good temperament - Are you going to get progeny with even BETTER temperament? ...

I use the word temperament because (i) I am more familiar with that word ... and because (ii) the word temperament will cover the various aspects that breeders breed for - whether it's for conformation show, trial or work.

Collectively our replies (as summrised):

(A) ... If you breed Dog A with good temperament with Dog B of moderate temperament ... you are likely to get progeny with a whole range of temperaments, but possibly on the average - you will get progeny with better temperament than Dog B, and maybe as good as Dog A. But no one can say for certain that you will progeny with better temperament than Dog A.

(B) ... If you breed Dog A with good temperament with Dog B also with good temperament ... Will you "double up" and get progeny with better temperament than Dog A or B? ... Errr ... don't think we know the answer to that one ... I have some doubt that you can double up on temperament, like conformation elements, but not sure lar (only guessing) ... This is the part you need to check with exprienced working dog breeders and hear what they have to say.

But before you start breeding - read the post that LCK made earlier ...

Also as pointed out by LCK ... if you are serious about breeding for dogs for work/trials ... but wish to moderate drive ... I don't think the solution is as simple as breeding a working dog with a show dog ... A bit like apple & orange ... then you may get some strange results ... Crazy ...

One very successful breeder of working Labs in UK, told me that there are 2 things he will not do ... (a) he will not sell/give a working Lab to a non-working family and (b) he will not breed his working line with any show line.

Cheers


LCK
Dog Kichi


Oct 27, 2004, 12:25 AM

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Malaysia boleh..hee....!!! Hi all, is this froum only in english, can we ask questions in Bahasa Malaysia??

CT



Hi Siti

Can i have your autograph if you're THE Siti?? Wink

I'm sure you can ask questions in Bahasa but please don't expect an answer in Bahasa from me, as my Bahasa dates back to standard 5 level, after which my medium of education was in English. Nowadays my Bahasa is limited to ordering food at mamak stalls, talking to my maid and trying to sweet talk traffic policemen Laugh Ironically i'm a linguist and read and write fluent Spanish and Portuguese Crazy

LCK Cool
Hacienda
Dachshunds of Distinction


surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Oct 27, 2004, 12:28 AM

Post #108 of 161 (3146 views)
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Smile Hi ...

For sure can use Bahasa ... but tolong also lar ... and throw in some English too ...

Cheers


boon
Doggyman


Oct 27, 2004, 12:32 AM

Post #109 of 161 (3142 views)
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Aiks....no lah LCK replied me so i just continue the discussion there loh...not repeating or going back lah......anyway thanz for the summary.Cool


But before you start breeding - read the post that LCK made earlier ...
Sudah baca and will print out and put in my library


Also as pointed out by LCK ... if you are serious about breeding for dogs for work/trials ... but wish to moderate drive ... I don't think the solution is as simple as breeding a working dog with a show dog ... A bit like apple & orange ... then you may get some strange results ... Crazy ...

Already explained in my reply to LCK....just an example....no actual breeding has been taken place here....and banana croup just isn't my cup of tea....don get me wrong lah....aiyoyoh...gussed my Ingelish ah got propulem lah....Blush

One very successful breeder of working Labs in UK, told me that there are 2 things he will not do ... (a) he will not sell/give a working Lab to a non-working family and (b) he will not breed his working line with any show line.


Heheheh Laugh A) if he/she do this will be a disaster for a working GSD, will ended up on top of the vet table or got bitten some one and or in shelter.....this is not only a WASTE of the good working creature but a SIN to the innocent one.

B)Field and Bench simply won't click, and from what i learned so far, the genes tend to get dominated by the Field type. Meaning the field type gene is stronger than the bench type. Don ask me y lah...saya pun tak tau......CrazyTongue

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

(This post was edited by boon on Oct 27, 2004, 12:39 AM)


surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Oct 27, 2004, 12:34 AM

Post #110 of 161 (3140 views)
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Aaah ... yes ... in a dog conformation show ... the judge has to make his/her decision on temperament when the judge comes into contact with the dog in the show ring.

A dog conformation show is very different in concept & intention from other forms of competition such as field trials or Shutz events ...

Cheers


clangan
K9 Maniac


Oct 27, 2004, 12:37 AM

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Hi Surchin,

Your macro view of the whole judging issue is great and your points on breeding champions, i was not expecting a literal interpretation and expecting you practise a bit of mischief rule. But unfortunately, my message across does not go down well with you, I feel sorry for that! What i said, I think you understand, it sometimes requires someone that have simmer themselves long enough in the show rings, overseas exposure and breeding to understand the whole show criteria to its absolute requirement. I said talent=eye for dog, that on my opinion is a talent which is in-born, ultimately, it is experience and understanding of each and every breeds that maketh a good judge! I meant no insult to Derrick as I have sent private message to him but to you, I hope you can 'cool' down a bit and not let your temper flares, I thought calling you a cyber breeder is a compliment, well, if you dislike it, I withdraw lor...even in court, one barrister can also withdraw their statement what! Relek ah bradder!

Clangan


LCK
Dog Kichi


Oct 27, 2004, 1:13 AM

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For example i have a litter of 6 month old pups now. Their mum is a number 1 escape artist and can get out of anywhere. All these pups when put in a puppy pen aged 3 months old, learnt how to use thier muzzle to lift up the pen and slide out. Mad Now, this same puppy pen has been used to contain pups aged even 5 months previously and they never learned to do this. Wink So i guess certain behavioural traits have been passed down to these pups from their dam.



Yes i agree with u, the dam playing the most crucial and important roles of being raising up the pup since born, how the dam react to certain things will surely affects the pup's behaviour. from 6 to 8 weeks of age, pups learn how to be a dog and socialization takes place, the seperation of each individual must be taken place to prevent the pups from being to 'doggy' or too 'human' if the timing of separating them is not taken with care.



I do agree with you that by and large the dam plays a crucial role in developing the temperaments of her pups. If she is a nervous shy mother the pups can follow suit, but i think in the case mentioned above it wasn't her teaching them how to do it that they learnt, but it was more of an inbuilt characteristic. As a mother she really was excellent and never tried to escape as her pups were so important to her and she got up to her usual tricks. Tongue

But like her, her pups are also exhibit very dominant traits. Their mum is the pack leader amongst all my dogs and her pups are similar. Her 5 month old pup could pin down a one year old dog bec he irritated him! You'd expect the pup to take the sh!t, but these lot like their mum take no sh!t. Pirate And bear in mind that their mother was NEVER agressive or dominant with her pups but actually allowed them to get away with murder! One would think that a dominant mother would display dominant traits towards her pups and thus they learn it, but not so in this case. The drive to be Alpha dog is inborn! Unsure

Thanks also for your explanation of your "hypothetical breeding". I wasn't expecting an anwser from you as my question was rhetorical, but i did enjoy reading the reply!! You like your dogs GARANG!!! Laugh

LCK Cool
Hacienda
Dachshunds of Distinction


LCK
Dog Kichi


Oct 27, 2004, 1:21 AM

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I totally understand what u r trying to convey....out of the 5 generations pedigree, namely out of 31 animals in the sire and another 31 animals in the dam, each said dog has about 3.225% of reproducing itself (assumed that no linebreed in the common ancestry. And the simple math calculation go on and on depending on the SAME dog(s) reoccurences in the pedigree. Sometime, mother nature is just too unpredictable.......1+1 in dog breeding will not always = 2..... do u agree with me ?



Agreed dude. That's what makes breeding interesting. It's not an exact science!! A bit like dog judging! But let's not go there as that is a different thread already! Wink

I have several books about genetics and when i first started used to "TRY" to go through and understand it, as i thought it would help me to be a better breeder. In the end i slowly learnt was that the best textbook was experience and also experience of others. Tongue Genetics is a science and is very predictable when it comes to things like colours, recessives, dominants and more technical things like that. As far as temperament and so on it can never be 100% accuately predicted! So i just learnt and am still learning how colour genetics work and color determination happens in my chosen breed, but each time i think i have something sorted out in my head and "understooded" i have a litter which will disprove the theory! MadCrazyUnsureTongue

LCK Cool
Hacienda
Dachshunds of Distinction


sitinurhaliza
Novice


Oct 27, 2004, 1:28 AM

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Surchinmy, what is that meaning ? Your name, you not Malaysian too? I read your writing, very garang! Why my writing all delete away? I don't understand? I ask for nasihat on my neighbour kahwin very fierce black dog and puppies also very garang but why my writing in the box delete? Why your box no dog picture? Is this forum anti cat owner? Please help?

C-Tea


LCK
Dog Kichi


Oct 27, 2004, 1:28 AM

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....because whoever wrote that post......

Yeah i have my doubts about whether that post was actually written by the purpoted poster or if it was actually written by someone else...maybe a locter??? Tongue


Judges ought to be more leaned than witty, more reverent than plausible, and more advised than confident. Above all things, integrity is their portion and proper virtue. Francis Bacon (1889 - 1981)

I love this quote!!! Good one Wink

In your discussion with LCK & Skipper - I for one, respect the manner in which you simply admitted mistake and moved on ... integrity ...

And I also think you reacted/responded to the specious attack in that post with class ... you have been real "cool" man ... Smile ...

Well said and yes Derrick, you very bravely admitted you had learnt something and that takes courage and you're not someone who wants "face." So good on you - you will make a good judge, in my humble opinion, as you're prepared to learn and admit mistakes!


Cheers
LCK Cool

Hacienda
Dachshunds of Distinction

(This post was edited by LCK on Oct 27, 2004, 2:07 AM)


LCK
Dog Kichi


Oct 27, 2004, 1:52 AM

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Surchinmy, what is that meaning ? Your name, you not Malaysian too? I read your writing, very garang! Why my writing all delete away? I don't understand? I ask for nasihat on my neighbour kahwin very fierce black dog and puppies also very garang but why my writing in the box delete? Why your box no dog picture? Is this forum anti cat owner? Please help?

C-Tea


Aiyoh C-Tea. You ingat kita lahir semalam di hospital in SUBANG JAYA kah like you?? You from which hutan? don't you know that Surchinmy is a very popular English name and well known person in malaysian history. Our surchinmy's great grandfather (dam side) was the founder of Batang Kali and other important places like that. Malu lah you say you're a Malaysian but know nothing about important people like Surchinmy 1. Statue of Surchinmy's great grandfather is on display along the boulevard in Putrajaya and also in Kota Kemuning.Blush

Hey C-tea, what sort of GANdog you own? Obviously you must own a CHAMPEAN GANdog right that you joined our forum today and straight came to GANdog forum....no wonder your posts removed. Lucky not your clothes removed or else we will have a big shock when we see you have a little brother!! Tongue

Also ah C-tea mai-b you not familiar with how forums work - nobody is garang. Even our most garang member is now a mild mannered gentleman. We exchange ideas and post thoughts. If people think you talk Kok then they may tell you so. Most of us here are used to having our opinions challenged so know how to respond back. No one takes it personally lah. If they do, then time they grew up and not be so sensitive. In any case if you not sure if someone is garang towards you, you can ask people like Surchinmy or me privately and we advise you lor. This is what makes a forum fun as we discuss and argue certain things out in an intelligent manner and don't go into a frenzy. If you kena hantam then you justify and stand by your post lah. If you don't then sure you kena hantam more. But it's not bad hantam - just all in jest and for the sake of discussion. Not personal as some assume!

Anyway let's not waste time ok, we go for buka puasa at Holiday Villa SUBANG and then go down to Blue Apple for Char Kuat? Angelic Like you i also like pussy cats.....Meow! Cool

Hacienda
Dachshunds of Distinction

(This post was edited by LCK on Oct 27, 2004, 1:54 AM)


surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Oct 27, 2004, 2:14 AM

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*Big laughs* ... TongueTongueCool ...

" ... Yeah i have my doubts about whether that post was actually written by the purpoted poster or if it was actually written by someone else...maybe a locter??? Tongue ..."

Dunno lar what profession ... and dun care also ... maybe professional sycophant.

Kalau orang terpelajar ... then kesian sugguh ... Sampai suruh orang jangan baca his post literally ... Kalau cannot baca literally, then how lar to baca ... baca side-ways kar? ... or dari belakang depan? ...

And don't get me started on the "mischief rule" ... Ahyooh ... kalau tak faham or tak pasti, jangan tulis lar ... only tunjuk dengan terang teliti ignorance diri sindiri - sampai sampai cannot hide ...

And what this ... simmering in show rings, with overseas exposure, pulak? ... Sebenarnya - you think the writer of post been to Crufts or not? ... If not, dun lar simmer simmer ... sampai jadi bubur cha cha how?

Cheers mate ... Smile

PS ... this one is good for consideration:

" ... A man is what he is, not what men say he is. His character no man can touch. his character is what he is before his God and his Judge; and only he himself can damage that. His repuration is what men say he is. That can be damaged; but reputation is for time, character is for eternity ..." John Ballantine Gough


LCK
Dog Kichi


Oct 27, 2004, 2:17 AM

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Surch - when are you posting the ingerish translation for black mat salleh's like me??? LOLMad

Once again - loved the quote!! Wink

LCK Cool
Hacienda
Dachshunds of Distinction


surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Oct 27, 2004, 2:27 AM

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"... don't you know that Surchinmy is a very popular English name and well known person in malaysian history. Our surchinmy's great grandfather (dam side) was the founder of Batang Kali and other important places like that ... Statue of Surchinmy's great grandfather is on display along the boulevard in Putrajaya and also in Kota Kemuning"

Ah yoh yoh ... kadavaleh ... that one Wira Si Urchin from Indonesia mar ... Sumatra side ... oso got progeny in Acheh ... not Putrajaya lar ...

You cannot simply simply say oni ... and lagi the statue in Kota Kemuning aledy tear down for building the houses mar ... no more there ... Smile ...


surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Oct 27, 2004, 2:29 AM

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You go ask C-Tea to translate lar ... Smile


(This post was edited by surchinmy on Oct 27, 2004, 2:29 AM)


clangan
K9 Maniac


Oct 27, 2004, 4:07 AM

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Clangan; I say "Vice-versa"

Hello Surchin and LCK,

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Thanks for your advice..... You have spoken and I hear you on my left mind! LCK, you still have me at the right mind!!! Thank you for your english lesson and add-vice!!


"Words are migthier than the sword"


(This post was edited by clangan on Oct 27, 2004, 4:48 AM)


clangan
K9 Maniac


Oct 27, 2004, 4:31 AM

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In the spirit of puppy.com I am friendly.....Wink

Clangan


timchan
Member


Oct 27, 2004, 6:05 AM

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CoolHi everyone,

With all due respect, I do not find it fruitful to be proving each other wrong or right here. The gruesome truth remains the same. With the good for nothing MKA cert, I still cannot believe that a pup in question comes from Champion lineage although it is stated on the cert that every single sire or dam is a SUPER CHAMPION.

Why believe in titles given by weak human beings?

I heard you can even buy certs now. Certs filled with CHs perhaps?

Cheers!Smile


boon
Doggyman


Oct 27, 2004, 6:11 AM

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Hi LCK,


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So i just learnt and am still learning how colour genetics work and color determination happens in my chosen breed, but each time i think i have something sorted out in my head and "understooded" i have a litter which will disprove the theory! MadCrazyUnsureTongue



Heheheh not sure about ur chosen breed, but for lab u can get the DNA test from VETGEN.....then u can know what color they do carry and the recessive one as well......for a working GSD....i don really care about it.....



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Thanks also for your explanation of your "hypothetical breeding". I wasn't expecting an anwser from you as my question was rhetorical, but i did enjoy reading the reply!! You like your dogs GARANG!!! Laugh



Aiyoh...tak boleh tahan ru lah......hope one day when we meet we can actually share about breeding and experience (and i hope by that time i have something behind me rather just talking KOK like now Blush).

I like GARANG dogs that have a super stable temperement, which mean i can 'turn it' on and off Cool......most of the poeple tend to think that schh dogs are garang dogs and must be dangerous, actually they're NOT....they're can behave like a lab, as friendly as a lab and a golden's temperement when in dar rumah with bayi or kanak-kanak.

Schh dogs are not dangerous dogs lah

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

(This post was edited by boon on Oct 27, 2004, 7:11 AM)


boon
Doggyman


Oct 27, 2004, 6:20 AM

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Re: [timchan] Breeding "Show or Work?" [In reply to] Can't Post


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I heard you can even buy certs now. Certs filled with CHs perhaps?

how true........:D u can even get the legend of each breeds all in that paper....i'm sure this not only happen to GR, but rotts, gsd and others as well....so y worry about paper....at the end of the day 'Show me your dog and i'll tell what manner of man you are'

Quote from Capt Max vom Stephanitz in his book GSD in Word & Picture

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

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