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a_evie
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Apr 29, 2005, 6:49 AM

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choker also can lar...but if u want, you can opt for a good collar (non snap ones)...we bought shalom a choker...but we're not using it. want her to obey immaterial of whether she has her choker or normal collar lar.

the event...nvm lor. but we may do a kk drive on sunday morning. the usual works lar..breakfast at 8 or 830 then off to kk and either finish off at the waterfalls or seremban for beef noodle. since its on sunday..maybe shalom won't come lor. don't want her to bee too tired and then tidur during classes!

heheh..talk more lar in person..gee...have some treats for the 2 girls...if they like chewing lor.


Amanda85
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May 16, 2005, 8:32 PM

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hi, mr khoo

as u know kinki is no longer with me now. and since i'd just paid up the training fees just before she is lost,

can i bring my new pup to join the training instead.

btw, according the the website the agility training fees is RM250, but from what i see from the receipt it stated that is just RM150 .

which is the right one?

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ahdrew
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Jun 26, 2005, 5:35 PM

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my pup, Sugar is 9 weeks old now.. i know there is a class at late june... but i think Sugar cannot take it so early... so.. can i know when is the incoming obe. training??? n when only i can teach my puppy basic training or trick...10 weeks old?? 3 moths??


ericlee
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Aug 8, 2005, 12:32 PM

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hi Khoo,

My pet named Venus (purebreed Border Collie but not Microchipped) of about 4 mths old. She is the Top 1 Intelligent Dog in World and we always play with her and slightly train her for Retrieving, Listen to command (sit, come, etc). So which training should we send her to further improvement? As I know lot of trainers there always keep telling must go through all the courses but actually it depends on the current state of the puppy and it is not necessary to attend all courses, agree? Just not sure which training should we send her to..... Anyway, is every Sunday for sure there is training / event at Tmn Desa conducted by you?

Thanks

Eric


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Oct 8, 2005, 3:37 PM

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Dear Mr. Khoo,

I notice that M.K.A. are the only people organising obedience competition, does puppy.com have an event like this? From what I can see the standard for Pre-Novice and Novice standards are very poor maybe it is a good idea to have competition of this nature open to the public, organise by your group . I am sure it will drum up a lot of interest plus prove to the general public that there are well behave dogs after training. Presently, there are only talks of training a dog and plenty of assumptions that a train dog will behave in public.

Do hope your directors would consider and promote the awareness and the goodness of owning a dog during this bad patch plus it can be money making venture for the group and make puppy.com more known to the public and aware of puppy.com's efforts.


Bull Lover
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Jan 11, 2006, 9:40 PM

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when is the next OB class start huh? thinking to join taro back to class, if not he is gaining weight : (


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Admin
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Jan 16, 2006, 5:09 PM

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The next class will start on Feb 12, 2006.


sean
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Mar 8, 2006, 9:46 AM

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Hi there...

When will JB have this kind of class? I believe dog lovers in JB would be pleased to hv this kind of activities.

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JustineBiBi
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Mar 8, 2006, 9:42 PM

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Hi there...

When will JB have this kind of class? I believe dog lovers in JB would be pleased to hv this kind of activities.



ya... me too hoping that the class ill be held in JB too....


jessicaohh
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Aug 3, 2006, 1:40 AM

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hi,

will there be any chance that the training and obedience class be held in Penang? i really hope that puppy.com will consider to hold it in some other states instead of only KL.




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ambermae
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Aug 18, 2006, 9:23 PM

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Hi,
This post is for Admin to answer.

You mentioned Utility Training where your advisor is an expert. Now this is interesting.

I'd like to know what that is and where I can get this sort of training for my dogs.

My Amber-Mae is (golden retriever) is coming up to 10 mths now and she is in the prenovice level where she will be sitting for her 'exam' in about a week. My Faith (dalmation) is 6 mths old and will also be finishing Puppy Class and sitting for her 'exam' in about a week.

While obedience training is good, even necessary for every dog and invaluable in terms of opportunities for socialising with both people and animals, my criticism about this sort of training is that it is TOO REGIMENTED.

The dog is not considered good or even to be at a passable level if he/she does not Run to you when called and Sit directly in front of you when she arrives. The dog will Fail heeling if she lags more than an inch or two behind or is forward more than an inch or two from your knee. The dog must DOWN immediately when commanded. If she is slow she will loose points and thus only merely pass or even fail. When you turn or do the figure 8, it must be TIGHT turns.

It is not that the dog cannot do these commands, she understands Come, Sit, Down, Wait, Stay etc etc, very well only she is perhaps tired or slow or too fast and to the examiner - it is not aceptable.

Also, its the same thing all the time. I think poor Amber-Mae is sick and tired of the same old commands, week after week. That is why, at the Training Ground, she will stop performing after a while, even with the help of her favourite toy, treats and my daughter jumping up and down to inject Fun into the routine.

And that's what this training is - a routine, for competition.

Not all dogs are born for competition.Its just like human beings or children. Not all students are born for the science stream. Since all dogs of all breeds and all ages are expected to perform the same routine, it is like expecting all students to score well for Aff Maths, Physics and Chemistry. If you don't score in these subjects, then you are regarded as Useless or Hopeless.

I was told to get another dog because the one I have is no good, she won't go far, the trainer said. But go far in what? In competition? I don't really care for competition.

And what about her other aptitudes? These are not explored in all the Training Classes offered because the commands are limited and across the board. Just like in the scenario of the students in the science stream, they are not given options to explore their opther aptitudes. Maybe some are good in Art and Music? Or languages and History? But because the subjects they are good at are not offered and they fail what they are not good at like Add Maths and physics, they are labelled hopeless and kicked out of school.

You get what i am driving at with this analogy?

I think we need other training options for our dogs. If puppy.com can provide alternative classes for other commands, that would be wonderful and I would be the first one to join. Golden Retrievers and Labs for instance are born for retrieving and other Service-oriented jobs (like helping the blind, the wheelchair bound etc) and not really competition in the ring. That is not her use in life.

So when you mention Utility Training, I am curious as to what that means and whether a class can be started on this.


Could u explain this to me? I think this is something u can explore, seeing that there are so many golden retrievers and labs in Malaysia. I think you can have good response.

I would like to give my Golden a job in the house where she can be of real use (instead of her sleeping and lying about all day). Would you be able to recommend a trainer or start a class which can help in this area?


Amanda85
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Aug 18, 2006, 9:34 PM

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i've read from ur daughter post. amber had actually lost her drive. is not that she doesn't had it initially, coz she's from champ bloodline. when she's @ her puppy stage, her respond is fast. so hv u think y she's getting slow now? the drive need to be build to be stronger, not juz let it fade away as she aged..

the fault is not on amber. is the handler, which is u. repetitive boring routine without much exciting mental stimulation had made ur dog bored of performing in OB. the key is to make OB training fun n exciting. if u juz ask her to sit, stay, down n juz gv treats/praise when she do it. she will lost interest after prolonged period. playtime should b included in between those task. for example: when she had stay for 1 min, throw a frisbee for her to chase or even ask her to jump!

if u wish to have a another dog. 1st of all, u must learn d mistake u had done n avoid doing d same on d next dog that u'll acquire.

mind to tell u that golden retriever is one of d breed that easiest to train n eager to please d owner. there's no reason why amber cannot excel.

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ambermae
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Aug 19, 2006, 1:05 AM

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To Amanda85,
No Amanda85, I think you didn't understand what I said in my post.

1. I am not planning to get another dog. I already have two. It was the trainer who told me to throw amber out and get another dog.

2. Have you even been to formal OB classes yourself with your dog? At what level are you? And how is the performance of your dog? Top Notch?

3. If your dog is scoring 99 out of 100 and you are a trainer yourself with years of successful handling of dogs, then maybe you might be qualified to answer.

4. We do break the exercises in between with fun and games, treats etc. Training is only 5 minutes long everyday, never too long for her to get bored. Amber performs PERFECTLY at home and outside near our home, even near the traffic where there are cars, distractions etc. It is only when she reaches the Training Ground when she KNOWS its time for her to be serious that she gets like that. Adter about 10 to 15 minutes, she starts to get fed up. Not even her favourite toy will get her going.

5. At this stage in her classes, training is strictly training at the training ground. In the exam, no treats and toys are allowed.Even praising and patting is not allowed. You are not supposed to TOUCH the dog (Examiners and Qualified Trainers - tell me, aren't these the rules?). The dog is supposed to respond to you by verbal commands only. She is not supposed to stray out of the allowed leeway from your side (meaning not more than 2 or 3 inches from your knee) in all exercises. Speed in response is also of essence.

6. One example of speed. This is taught in Novice class and also at Prenovice. The handler must Run and Down the Dog. Dogs are expected to DIVE into this position from running to down. The fastest way is for the front paws to slide down, followed by the rump. However, Amber who knows the command goes Rump first (as in SIT), then only front pows down. This slows her down. In the exam, this is considered No Good for being SLOW. In my opinion, this is too strict and too regimented. We can teach her to DOWN the fast way but what for? Of what use is this command except only for clocking time in a competition?

Amber is good in her own way and she is smarter than other dogs who at this stage (in her class itself) still cannot do Down. They still don't understand the command or are stubborn and will not do it. What I am saying is - why penalise the dog that CAN do it, only she's a little slow.

Off leash heeling is another problem area. I don't know who told me this but putting treats in your pocket to heel the dog is not an answer. At the puppy stage (at 3mths, 4mths) , maybe can for a short while but for a 1km walk or even 500m or even 250m, believe me, the dog will lose interest . And you can't keep using treats and feeding the dog to get it to heel in the long run. (Qualified trainers - pls answr- am I right?). Whoever gave this advise is talking through her nose and probably has a dog that cannot heel or can only heel for about 10 steps before losing interest and wandering off.

Recall is another problem. Its not that she doesn't come. Yes, she ALWAYS comes when called. She is an intelligent, obedient dog. BUT...she doesn't run to you at top speed but trots or walks (and therefore loses points or fails) and when she sits infront of you, sometimes she's crooked, too much to the left or too much to the right - again lose points or fail. See? Thats why I say these competition rules are too regimented, too strict. But she DOES come. Doesn't that count? In the exam - NO.

Which brings me to the point of my previous post. I am looking for an Alternative Training School
that trains for Other things (Utility Training, if that is the right term or Service Training) more specialised for Service Dogs like Golden Retreivers. My Amber (and I am sure many other dogs as well) is not born for Competition. Just like not every human being is born to be an athlete or a doctor. Some people are born to be designers, for example. If you want to be a designer, there are schools for this. Why not for dogs as well.

I know there are Rotweiller Speciality Shows, GSD Speciality Shows etc. Maybe these are all Beauty Contests, I don't know. And I know there is Schutzund for sports, police work and protection. But these classes are not for the golden retreiver. Imagine asking a golden to bite someone! My Amber is a soft, sweet, cuddly teddybear who LOVES people. Protection training will go against her very nature. Maybe my Faith (dalmation) can try. But she also has been brought up to be friendly and gentle to everyone.

What we need are Breed Specific Classes. Basic Obedience is important to every dog but after that, instead of training for a generalised competition, specific breed dogs should be trained at what they are born for. (Eg: Gundogs for retrieving).

If there are trainers out there who can start these classes I am sure there will be many reponses. I see so many golden retrievers in the training ground every week, more so than any other breed. Most of them don't do well, although some do but all look bored to death.

I want my Amber to do HOLD. From there, she can do household chores like fetching the handphone when it rings etc etc. Yet nobody teaches that in OB classes.

I'd like Amber to do the things that you see in Cell Dogs in Animal Planet Astro. Anybody seen this? They are taugt a variety of commands specific to that they will be used for, eg as hearing dog for the deaf or seeing dog for the blind, or retreiving dropped items for the handicapped, fetching pill bottles etc etc. Pls let me know if there is such training offered.


Amanda85
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Aug 19, 2006, 1:37 AM

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mayb i had misunderstand aboout d buying issue.

yup. i went to training classes b4, but my dog get bored in d 1 hr routine. so i opt for another option of training which is more fun/ exciting, which can really keep her going n do everything fast. i don't think i need to hv a Champ Dog to understand ur condition. we'll now discussing about d drive issue, not standard sitting n d left position n heeling parallel 2 d dog shoulder level.

in ur case, amber is getting bored @ d training groud. coz she doesn't see any fun on it tat she'll anticipate for. eventhough OB training is strictly training, getting ur dog feel fun n excited is important. this is d way and d only way to make ur dog do d recall at top speed n heel wit her tail wagging.

how do u imagine other successful trainer manage to get their dog run towards them for a recall.. they'll definately answer u tat, their dog r rushing for d reward/praise. eventhough u r not allowed to carry treat or toys, u can alwiz make ur dog think that, she'll get her reward later. u can train her in this manner by not using food luring or even holding d food. instead place d food n toy far away from d training ground, n run/walk to get it later. then during d exam ground, she'll keep in mind that, now she perform, later she'll get rewarded.

i really dun understand how u'll came up wit such a high expectation that dog will perform superb when things getting serious. ur dog won't even now what is exam all about, whether she pass it or not.

as u know, OB performance r judge on d dog drive n ready to please d owner. if she's doing it slowly, this show tat she don't even enjoy doing it.

d reason y amber respond so well to ur newly taught command 'Hold' is becoz she find it entertaining. is something new tat really get her mind stimulated. n yeah ur right tat u wanted to teach her sumthing new apart from OB, she'll definately appreciate sumthing fresh.

from ur description on amber, she's definately a well trained dog tat already know all d command. is juz that she doesn't had d drive to performed well at obedience. as i heard from liping, d mka trainer, she said that if ur dog manage to show an understanding of d command, she definately can pass. lagging n slow juz get penalize.

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Amanda85
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Aug 19, 2006, 2:38 AM

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by d way, i know a group of frenz who r into charity whereby they organize dog visit to orphanage n old folks homes..

mayb u would b interested to bring amber to join in.

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SupaMolly
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Mar 28, 2007, 6:02 PM

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Mr Khoo.. something to ask u about the obedience training :

  • Heel
    The Heeling exercise will train your dog to heel along your side on loose leash. The dog is trained to move along your side as you go forward and sit down automatically as your stop. The dog will be trained not to pull as he walk.
    ~ May i know, my dog molly forgot all my commands after she got bac from boarding for 2++ mths.. does she need to know how to heel first ? or the training starts from the 1st day of this class ?

  • Sit
    The sit command is to get your dog in a sit position when the command Sit is issued.
    ~ b4 the boarding, molly knows how to sit whenever i ask her to, without treats and with treats... but now, after boarding, she only sits when i got food in my hands... any complications will hapen for this during the class ?

  • Down
    Train your dog to be in down position with this command.
    ~ Same thing : she forgot the down command after the 2++ mths boarding... same question : will this cause dificulties when the class is on?

  • Recall
    This exercise will train your dog to come to you happily and sit in front of you when the Come command is issued.

    ~ Sometimes, she comes, sometimes, she just ignores me when i say the command 'come' after she play in the garden..

  • Stay
    Your dog is trained to be in stay command either in sit position or down position when the stay command is issued. Your dog should be in that position until further instruction is issued.

  • Stand
    With the Stand command, your dog will be trained to be in the Stand Position when the command is issued.
    ~ same question : i need to start training her to stand first ?

  • Leave It
    Leave it command is to train your dog to ignore all external disturbance. For example, when someone talk a long treats and you can issue Leave It command to get your dog to ignore it and concentrate on you.
    ~ so far, i never use this command..

    Before the boarding, molly is a terrific dog... who knows how to do all the above... but now, forgot all . Hope you can answer my questions... thanks Mr Khoo Sly




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    My 2 cents worth, not sure if Mr. Khoo concure but dogs if trained do not forget, from what you have posted and assuming your dog do know what you have stated, it is just challenging you. You need to establish yourself as "Alpha" dog again. Just start working it everyday, do not give up.

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