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RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Jul 3, 2004, 3:31 AM

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Hello,Smile

Yes, I did train my BM personally. He responds well to training, is attentive if the environment is suitable(not too hot,not too much distractions),quick learner and for a BM,pretty motivated (when he's got the insentive ie. foodTongue) I did a mistake of giving a crash course of Obedience...all commands in a 1 mth span and then practice after that. But things are ok. Though I will not repeat that with my future pup. I hv a little difficulty with his heel which is getting much better after getting tips frm the sifu's here (it was my fault in the first place). His heel isn't very close to my leg because he wants to move abit away frm me to look at my face,which is a good thing but the fact that he's not close enough....

Generally,he is a good dog. Likes to please me,or rather,please me enough to reward himTongue

The trick of training is making it seem like a game.Then the dog would very interested in "playing". But then again BM's are known to be a little "slow"..not so motivated and need more stimulation because of the mastiff in them. Btw, how old is your BM?

If I had all the funds in the world, I would get a Presa Canario Smile Check out this site www.red-star-kennel.com a famous kennel in the US which breeds & trains working line presa's as well as gsd's. Or try to find a good working line BM with enough drive...which is extremely rare.

But unfortunately I'm not rich and I hv a budget. The ideal breed for home protection would be a Rottweiler but the rotts in M'sia are no good for protection work (even those who say they're working line, they are no doubt working line..but they're not good). If you want a good working line Rott, you'd hv to import one.

So my next choice would be a GSD,since there are some good GSD imports here in M'sia with great bloodlines. They hv a good size,drives, right temperament and can get the job done.oh...no,i haven't got one yet. The pup i'm interested isn't even born yet.hehe

IMHO,APBT's would be too small for the job,sure they bite hard and hv a high threshold for pain but they are not big and heavy enough to stop a man. Especially when it's protecting your home alone.The other issue for me is also the possibility of dog aggression since I hv other dogs. For working pits, I'm not sure how dog aggressive they are really. Some I have seen are very good around other dogs.Those which are not mentioned,most likely are. Here's a site to check out www.workingpitbull.com

Hope to hear from youSmile
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crazymouse_yyh
Doggyman


Jul 3, 2004, 7:55 PM

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Hi RealityDreamer hahahah...

Wow, you trained your BM by yourself!! So keng hahahah..... know so much stuff about different breeds, more than me hahahah.....Laugh So, where shall we continue our chat? Here or Hi5?


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RealityDreamer
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Jul 3, 2004, 8:03 PM

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hehe..no la. Not keng.

Every owner should train their own dog unless they've got a problem they cannot solve,then only seek proffesional help.

Been interested in dogs ever since I could remember...Cool and at the early stages i wasn't allowed to get one,so all i could do was read up on dogs. Did that for a few years. Think it was a blessing in diguise really. If my dad would've gotten me the dog the second i wanted it,i wouldn't have done as much research.

Anyway,i think we have gone off topic and it would be better to chat on hi5

or if u prefer,msn or icq. Smile
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crazymouse_yyh
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Jul 4, 2004, 6:04 AM

Post #104 of 136 (4273 views)
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Look here, GSD puppy!

http://www.adpost.com/...&query=retrieval


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

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RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Jul 4, 2004, 7:46 AM

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Thanks for keeping an eye out for me Cool
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crazymouse_yyh
Doggyman


Jul 5, 2004, 9:14 PM

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No prob! I told you that I'll keep an eye out if anyone's selling GSD pups!Tongue


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
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Kevin Chuan
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Jul 7, 2004, 1:06 AM

Post #107 of 136 (4245 views)
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Hi Dreamer... My BM is only 14 months old, very lasy la. Anyway, thanks for everythings you are my "SeeFoo" now...hehehe

Well, I don't really like Rotty because they are very "LanSi" look... hehehe, however... they are good breed. I think there is no Presa breeder in Malaysia, what do you think? If there is, I might get a pair for breeding.

Let me have the contact if there is any Presa breeder in our country. ok?Wink

Thanks in advance yo!


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Jul 7, 2004, 4:09 AM

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HelloSmile

For some reason, I didn't think your BM would be younger than mine..lol. Don't ask.Sly Cos I wouldn't know what to answer.

See Foo? oh no...I'm far far far far far from that.Blush I'm just an avid dog lover.

Yea,you're right. There's no presa breeder here in M'sia. I've only heard of one presa female imported from red star up north. That's all I know unfortunatelyUnsure

P.S. you're welcome. I'm glad I could help in any way. Also I hope you understand the complexity of breeding..2 good dogs would not neccessarily produce good puppies. Breeding is a gamble.
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Kevin Chuan
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Jul 9, 2004, 8:25 AM

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Hi Dreamer... well, I love dogs so much especially big bone doggy. I notice that it is getting harder in getting big dogs, most of the full time breeder turns to breed toy dogs and other small breed due to the market demand. And our government bands some breeds from comming in to our country, breeds like BM, Rotty, Doberman also under restriction breeds. Infact, these breeds are not as worst as they thought. Maybe, they have some bad records on these breeds but I don't see any reason why they do so, as what you always high lighted "there are no bad dogs, only bad owners". I 100% agreed with your phase... I guess our government should review this matter and hopefully they will change it in the future. I will try to call the number you gave me to check whether there are any male BM pups available. Wish I can see you in person in the future... hehehe, and learn more things about dogs from you..."See Foo". Thanks for everythings.


Kevin Chuan
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Jul 9, 2004, 8:30 AM

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Hi Vince... have you got your Bully? Check this out on the star classified on 8/7/04. Tel:012-394 8029 / 017-359 9299 , there are Bully available.


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Jul 9, 2004, 8:41 AM

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Hello, Smile

Well, those who are in the breeding "market" aren't really worth taking a look at. Chances are,their dogs have problems. Good breeders are those who sell their pups through word of mouth.

As for the market,small dogs are easier and cheaper to maintain and I think their market value is abt the same as the bigger breeds. But then again,bigger breeds can produce more pups...so I don't really know what's going on in their minds,besides the thought of making as much profit. Maybe it's just a personal preference....

Well, humans fear what they do not understand. It's in our nature. UnsurePirateTill the gov takes the effort to understand the breed,no matter how much we say or do...it won't change much which is extremely unfortunate for such a useful and great breed(s). If all owners were responsible in the first place...(i'll leave to u to finish this sentence)

All the best.Smile and please,no "see foo" business...i'm anything but thatBlush or maybe i'm a see foo like tau fu...

oh btw, i think there's a pic of the male BM.Not very clear though. But if you want,I can attach the pic. Smile
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Vince7
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Jul 9, 2004, 6:37 PM

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Thanks Kevin, I've contacted the person & I'll drop by to have a look at the BT soon. I'll update u guys ok?

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Vince7
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Jul 10, 2004, 12:06 AM

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Hi RealityDreamer, i see you're a BULL lover as well, huh!Laugh
I agree with you that we as a dog lover should get our doggies from a good breeder, not from puppy millers or those who care more about their pocket rather than the breed. In a perfect world, I would prefer to import my BT from a reputable breeder. But... I'm not a rich guySmile What I'm trying to do is to stike a balance between getting my BT from a good breeder & getting a good price for it. It's not that easy to do really, considering BTs are quite rare in Malaysia. That's why I've spend one whole year to find & do research on this breed.
I would really appreciate if you can look out for me if there any BT / mini BT breeder out there. Thanks in advance.

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Vince7
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Jul 10, 2004, 12:14 AM

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Hey Kevin, I saw this ad on the Star Classified Online:

IMP-LINED quality Chow-Chow, Bull-dog & Am.Stfdshire Bull Terrier puppies. Selling also adult of all breeds. 012-4337148

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Kevin Chuan
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Jul 10, 2004, 1:04 AM

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Hey Vince... I have contacted that guy yesterday right after I saw the adds, he is from Bkt Mertajam, he has only 1 female AmStaff Bull Terrier available. Anyway, I'm more keen to American Staffordshire Terrier but not AmStaff Bull Terrier. But if I can't get a AmStaff Terrier, I might go for it. Actually before I saw this adds I was almost make up my mind in getting a APBT... hehehe.

So, please keep me update on your BT ya... Smile Good luck


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Jul 10, 2004, 2:44 AM

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Will have to agree with you 110% with you as well esp with a "rare" breed such as a Bt(rare in M'sia,abundant in other countries).

Don't worry abt the waiting. I have a friend who has been searching for a good working line GSD pup (Can you imagine that? lol )for abt 2 yrs plus and finally found the right sire and dam. So he was just waiting for the bitch to be bred and then the unexpected happened. The bitch sibuk sibuk fight a snake and didn't win. Pirate So ended up doing more searching...Now I think he's been waiting and looking for a total abt 3yrs. Talk abt patience.

When I was looking around for a BT, I had a really hard time looking for one withing my budget,and came to the conclusion to couldn't get one within that price range. Chances are,there are some in the market but higher in value. But I haven't had the chance to see the pups for myself..but by the way the breeders sound on the phone...They don't really know what they're talking abt Pirate

But I will definitely look out for BT's. Will ask around for you.Smile
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RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Jul 10, 2004, 2:55 AM

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hi,Smile

Was wondering what's an American Staffordshire Bull Terrier? I thought there was only AST,APBT and SBT? Crazy

Is the Amstaff Bull Terrier a variety of the pit breeds not recognized? Or registered as a different name with different kennel clubs? Crazy
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kc1356
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Jul 12, 2004, 11:21 PM

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That's just another term for the world best fighter...soon it will be known by MKA as Malaysian American Staffordshire Bull Kampong Terrier! hahahahaLaughLaughLaugh (in my dreams)

Hello boys and gals, how's everything? Vince, got your baby yet? I am going over to Italy in Aug and just wonder would it be troublesome to bring a puppy back from there? Just don't like the idea of the little puppy strained in the custom and die after few mths of probations before arriving at his new home. You know..... M'sia Boleh!!

Anyone care to advice! MAny Thanx!!Smile


Kevin Chuan
ALPHA


Jul 13, 2004, 12:17 AM

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Hey Dreamer... Correct me if I'm wrong... as far as I know:

American Staffordshire Terrier, APBT and American Staffordshire Bull Terrier are three different breeds, AmStaff is a breed crossing APBT with Staffordshire Bull Terrier (also known as British Staffordshire Terrier), and American Staffordshire Bull Terrier is another breed by crossing AmStaff with American Bull Dog. For the AmStaff and AmStaff Bull Terrier they look almost alike... the different that I can point out is AmStaff is a bit larger than a AmStaff Bull Terrier, and the scalp of AMStaff is much more square than a AmStaff Bull Terrier. Temperament and breed behavior... AmStaff are much much more stable than a AmStaff Bull Terrier. I actually know about these when I was in US, but that was quite long time ago and I have hardly seen these breed in M'sia so I can't share with you guys in more detail. AmStaff and AmStaff Bull Terrier are recornize by AKC and few others Kennal Club only.

Anyway, I love these breeds... they are very good with children as well.


Kevin Chuan
ALPHA


Jul 13, 2004, 12:35 AM

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Hey KC... I think you better don't take risk, as you said M'sia Boleh... hehehe... I wish someone can tell me what may happened.

Well... I have an idea in my mind, may be we can import the sperm of the specific breed and clone itWinkWinkSly in M'sia????? Do you think it can works? I have thought of this idea for quite sometime, I will try to bring in AmStaff's sperm and clone it with a kampung dog... hehehe Guess what can we get? Like you said " Malaysia Staffordshire Kampung Terrier"Wink


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Jul 13, 2004, 5:21 AM

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aah...no wonder. They're crosses. But I've never heard of Am Staff Terrier being a cross between an APBT and SBT(??) I mean the Am Staff Terrier is bigger than both...Unimpressed

Can understand the ASBT part.Smile

Yeap.pits are bred to be ppl friendly.Smile
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RealityDreamer
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Jul 13, 2004, 5:26 AM

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LOL!

Malaysian American Staffordshire Bull Kampong Terrier? Wah..this BT is going to be very confusedLaugh.Part Malaysian,part american,part from staffordshire and part from Kampong (thought techincally same as M'sia but we'll ignore that here... Tongue)

Well, so far alot of ppl hv imported dogs and pups with no problem. Only thing u really hv to get ready are all the permits,health papers, and other important documents.
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kc1356
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Jul 13, 2004, 8:36 PM

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Hey guys, not sure if its true but according to my studies there is only two type of staffy. The original one is from UK (yes the pussy) staffordshire terrier and later brought over to USA to cross bred where so many other names came up.

Generally there is a war going on between AKC and UKC and is just like civil war in America. As we all know, they (US) claim to be loving and kind people and will not tolerate cruelty to animal. THe fact is dog fightin is still on in USA.

Therefore staffy in US has undergone two types of breeding programs. One for fight and the other for show. Those cruel people will like to hav their staffy name as APBT and those lovin and caring people will call theirs AST or ASBT without the word 'PIT'. And those who have undergone fightin program end up being out of specs (smaller or bigger size or looks ugly).

So generally, AST ASBT or APBT are the same and the only difference is between its distance family UK staffordshire. One thing for sure, those registered under the AKC is not a good figther (under strict conformation). Those registered under UKC hav good chance from a gamed bloodline.


RealityDreamer
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Jul 13, 2004, 10:13 PM

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hmm. Think i get you.Smile

Something like the working lines or in this case game lined dogs that hv been breeding for so long that they hv given them a different name.
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Vince7
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Jul 13, 2004, 11:42 PM

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Hi all Bullovers, I'm back & I'm still bull-less.Tongue
Yup, I went to have a look at the BTs but decided it's not for me.
There's 1 white female, 1 dark brindle male. Both adults now & looks pretty good physically, not too sure about temperament though. Although the owner said both are miniature BT, i'm not too sure 'cause both exceeded the height limit for miniBT. BTW, the asking price is too high for me. Crazy
So i guess i'll have to keep looking & test my patience lo...

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