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kcsy
K9 Maniac


May 9, 2004, 6:47 AM

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heheh...if u guys come, u guys got to make sure that fella is sleeping like a pig. usually around 11 am, he is a pig wan!

my mom says that oki is soon to turn into a human because he is like behaving like one. hahaha.....

i did notice at first when i was at home but i guess i got used to his noise loh. Blush his sniff is like a snort snort sound. dunno how to describe. u got to listen to it to understand. maybe one day i videocam him and send the file to u. Smile

yeah lah...dunno what happened to popeye that day. hahaha...

oic....i didn't know malamutes are bigger than husky wan. thanks for the info about malamutes and husky also. wah...really informational. did not realised they are so stubborn wan.

eh, cheryl, clear yr mailbox, i have to send u more of the pix. not completed yet for u lah! Tongue

Wink Krystle & Oki Wink


kesuke
Doggyman


May 10, 2004, 5:29 AM

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oh you must thank vijitha for the info. Smile

ehhehe..yeah i know huskies and mals are stubborn...they are more head strong than other breeds.

i have told her to drop by...then you gals can talk to her. and btw she's not in m'sia. she's in melbourne, auz.

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kesuke
Doggyman


May 10, 2004, 5:30 AM

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kakaka....when she comes here, you'll get to see her malamute in a christmas hat!! ehehehe....Tongue

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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kesuke
Doggyman


May 10, 2004, 5:31 AM

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your oki sleeps at 11 am one ah? then what he do at night? sleep also?? eheheheh....Sly

good lah if you videocam him sleeping and then the snoring sound...ehhehe...so so funny....Sly

you have to thank vijitha for sharing it with us. sebastian is her malamute loh.

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lovedoggies
ALPHA


May 10, 2004, 5:42 AM

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wahhh got certain time somemore ah when he so lazy ekekkee
terror lah ur oki...
he very special hehehee

ekekek cleared already
but my mail box can take up to 2mb onli ler./... lausy hotmail Crazy

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xyne
Doggyman


May 10, 2004, 6:22 PM

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the MALAMUTE so CUTEEE!!!!! SmileSmileSmile

wahh.. i baru a few days din log on..oredi missing so much action ah.. hehehe.. malamute look like husky oso hor.. but abit fat fat in da pic.. is it cos of weather??


(This post was edited by xyne on May 10, 2004, 6:26 PM)


xyne
Doggyman


May 10, 2004, 6:31 PM

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hi hi... i miss Oki la.. his snoring effect very entertaining lor.. hehee..

yalor hor.. dunno wat was with pops hehehee... i think he was oso overwhelmed with dogs now cos he is not really interested to meet dogs at OB.. hahaha.. maybe he scared scared liao???

actually i see the husky n malamute so panas here in our weather lor.. abit slim.. those in cold country so fat fat!!Shocked


xyne
Doggyman


May 10, 2004, 6:35 PM

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hi hi... i wanan reply to ur msg oredi old news liao.. hehehe...

rex do any tricks??? he seemed kinda quiet tat day hor.. i think he was very hot lor.. i see rex oredi i feel panas.. ahahahaa..... i wonder how those furry dogs all adjust to heat hor... u let rex in sometimes to enjoy air-cond onot??

sneak him up frasers hill for a night la.. then he can chilll... LaughLaugh


xyne
Doggyman


May 10, 2004, 6:44 PM

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so nice la..fiona.. u get to walk the husky on ice... if i fall oso i wont mind!!! Blush heheeeee... u still update yourself with ur dogs fr US??


lovedoggies
ALPHA


May 10, 2004, 8:19 PM

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ooo ya he knows some...
when he comes out of the house he is diff wan ler

he knows how to lie down... shake hands... left and right... and high 5 ehhe...
knows how to bark and howl also but this one he will listen if he is in a happy mood or if he feels its worth obeying to haha

behind my house fully covered with tree so very shady and cooling... i would let him enjoy air cond but my mom lor dun let Pirate

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xyne
Doggyman


May 11, 2004, 1:52 AM

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wahh seh.. so clever?? how to teach left n right paw?? i teach harvey he main hantam.. wat ever paw oso he give meLaughLaughLaughLaugh

why ur mom dont let?? cos he will shed alot ka?? spray mist for him then lagi cooling lor..


kcsy
K9 Maniac


May 11, 2004, 4:26 AM

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hahaha...usually he sleeps like a real pig in the morning wan because like 7 am, it's his breakfast time mah. so, he is awake earlier and gets all excited for his breakfast. then, after makan, will kacau u here and there until he is satisfied and starting from 10 am - 12 pm become a pig. that is oki's daily thingy! hehehe...Cool

what oki does at night ah? err...i dunno wor. should be sleeping kuar. that time my turn to act as pig, how i know wor? hehehe....but i know he doesn't sleep so kao-kao at night wan. light sleeper at night because me and my bf will 'tong siu' watch movies at night. this oki loves my bf wan...so, from time to time, he will walk out from the room and let my bf sayang him and he will stay with us until we finish watching the movie and he will go back to sleep in the room. Unimpressed

oic....she is staying in aussie ah? no wonder her malamute can tahan the weather there lah.....

me will send more bombs to yr email, cheryl! Wink hotmail is memang so lousy wan lah....but what to do?

Wink Krystle & Oki Wink


kcsy
K9 Maniac


May 11, 2004, 4:32 AM

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hahaha.....Oki is going to be cap with the snoring effect already. hehehe...Blush

huh? not interested in dogs at OB? what do u mean? u mean, they totally ignore them ah? later popeye will learn how to make friends already. he only wants leng chai and leng lui friends leh? hehe....

yeah loh...i think it's cold over there, then can afford to be fat lah. fat make them warmer mah. imagine u sitting in the sauna also will grow thin lah, same thing with huksy/mals in malaysia. hahaha.....AngelicTongue talking rubbish already me!

Wink Krystle & Oki Wink


lovedoggies
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May 11, 2004, 3:33 PM

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heh dunno wor... they will just follow when u change hands..
same goes to benji lor... i tot automatic they see my hands change then they change ekekke

but benji knows la when u say "other hand" and u shake hand with him with ur same hands... he knows Wink

my mom is like a freak cleaner... so very susah wan ler....
she will scream if her house little bit dirty also Crazy

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In Loving Memories,
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lovedoggies
ALPHA


May 11, 2004, 3:37 PM

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kakakaka so cute lah got rotuine wan...
my both doggies... got eating time at night and the rest of the day they do wat they like...

aiyo cannot tahan la .. ur oki so cute ahaha Laugh

yea 2 more files hor ? kekeke....

ur camera also comes out very nice la the pics Wink

eh got more photos rite ? there were 4 cameras all together when we were all there ?
fiona one and amy.... ? amy got photos ahh

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My pets~
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In Loving Memories,
Rex(10May08) & Benji(20Feb08)
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xyne
Doggyman


May 11, 2004, 11:51 PM

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so clever la.. my boy just simply give only.. sometimes he give left..sometimes right... hehee.. pops only know on one hand.. when he do oso like so funny...

good la that ur mom is a freak cleaner.. make sure everything clean clean good wat.. but i think if she have harvey..sure she will pengsan...LaughLaughLaugh


xyne
Doggyman


May 12, 2004, 3:11 AM

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i like his snoring effect la.. so cute leh... tat day saw a bulldog oso like tat.. but oki's nicer... the bulldog like piggy...hehehee

so far i dont see them meeting friends to play with lor.. they prefer to stick to one another leh... hopefully later oki become their new best fren...

sit sauna where got grow thin?? i go every now n then..still fat fat lerr...

hehehe.. yes.. not only u toking rubbish.. me oso.. wat are we toking abt ah?? mess up thread again...PiratePiratePirate


vicfion
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May 12, 2004, 7:20 PM

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I know but falling on ice hard on head not too fun 'ya know...
I try to but none of them keep in touch with me.. And I still send card to the one who is having my cocker and malamute every Christmas but only once I hear from him.. Sob Sob Sob... Fiona


xyne
Doggyman


May 12, 2004, 8:16 PM

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why ah?? they not keen on feeping in touch meh?? you must miss the pooches alot.. if i had to give away.. sure i will feel very upset lor Frown


vicfion
Ultra ALPHA


May 12, 2004, 8:27 PM

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Yeah.. They are...
Hmm wonder what is up with the GR t-shirts?
Had talk to vijitha once already through forum of course... Fiona


kesuke
Doggyman


May 13, 2004, 9:32 AM

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malamutes are much bigger than huskies...so you see that malamute in the pic looks fat fat..ehhe.. they look similar but if you look closely you'll spot the difference. Smile

hehe...what exactly happened that day between pops and benji? eheheh...wah like got dramatic story lah..heeh..Laugh

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kesuke
Doggyman


May 13, 2004, 9:36 AM

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hahaha...so cute your oki got routine....hehehe...just like human....Laugh

oki sleeps with your parents right? i remember you told me that he likes air con so he sleeps in your parents' room...hahaha...that boy!

actually mals and huskies can tahan even hot weather. hmm...where's the article? i once posted an article for fiona and cheryl to read...let me search a while then i post here for you to read.

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kesuke
Doggyman


May 13, 2004, 9:37 AM

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GR t-shirts? me have no idea as well...Crazy so long already...Unsure

oh you've talked to vijitha already? eheh...that's nice..then you can help me "persuade" her to come here. Tongue

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kesuke
Doggyman


May 13, 2004, 9:43 AM

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very long article but explain why northern dogs can adapt and survive in extreme temperatures, be it hot or cold. hope it helps clarify the doubt you guys have.
Temperature Adaptation in Northern Dogs by Ted Greenlee

Since we left the Pacific Northwest and moved to Florida with our Samoyeds, I have frequently been asked how they tolerated the heat in this climate. The question usually produced my "five minute lecture" on Northern Dogs in the South. When I repeated this jist of this lecture to Doris and Harold McLaughlin recently, they requested that I write a short paper discussing how Northern dogs adapt to varying temperatures. This discussion actually revolves around at least two scientific works on the ability of arctic animals - seals, whales and Northern dogs among others - to stand exceedingly low temperatures, and on the methods of heat exchange in dogs.

I was specifically asked to write this discussion in lay terms "as I spoke them". Since most of my writing activities are related to writing for scientific literature, I find this a very difficult task, but I shall make an attempt. In general, in attempting to discuss work of a scientific nature in lay terms one either talks over the heads of some readers or beneath the knowledge of others and never quite finds the individual who has exactly the right amount of information as you write the article. To begin with, I would like to review a little basic information in relation to temperature control that I am sure most people have been exposed to at some time. The main consideration is that the dog, similar to man, will not tolerate significant variation of his body temperature. Also, most of the reactions taking place in the body, energy producing reactions much like the reactions in an automobile engine, produce heat. In temperate climates, where the outside temperature is fairly close to body temperature, the primary concern for the animal is to get rid of the excess heat produced. In the case of the automobile, one circulates water through the engine and then passes it through a radiator that has a relatively high degree of efficiency at transferring the heat from the water to, in this case, the air. In general, this is not a terribly efficient method, though it is adequate in the case of the automobile.

In the case of man, the radiator, for all practical purposes, is his exposed skin. In order to enhance the loss of heat, man uses the simple principle of evaporation. In general, the amount of heat loss by the evaporation of a certain volume of water from the skin is some five-hundred and forty times greater than the raising of the same amount of water one degree in temperature. This principle of evaporation is very important in many cooling systems and particularly in the cooling of the body. If, however, the major problem ceases to be that of getting rid of excess heat, but rather maintaining what heat is produced in the chemical reactions in the body, one has to look to different techniques. In general, this only becomes necessary if an animal is forced to live in a climate where the temperature is much, much lower than body temperature. This, of course, is the case of the Northern dog. The best way to conserve heat is the well-known method of insulation. The arctics dog's coat is so constructed that it is a very efficient insulator. Therefore, little of the heat produced by the body is lost by means of contact with the outside air through the skin. This, of course, is very good in the winter; but unfortunately, Arctic areas in summer can reach very high temperatures, somewhere in the 70's and 80's or even higher for short periods of time. So, therefore, the animal must also be able to adapt to this increase in temperature. It so happens that the insulation principle is still of use to the animal. If one lives in warmer climates, it is much easier to air-condition a well insulated home than it is to air-condition one that is not insulated. In the case of the animal, the only requirement is that there be some relatively efficient mechanism that the animal can turn on to dissipate his own heat. With a well-insulated body, he will be very little effected by the outside temperature once this mechanism is established. The animal then can maintain his body temperature with changes in outside temperature. Animals that have not adapted this type of mechanism, that is an insulated mechanism, not only will be susceptible to cold, but will also be very susceptible to an abnormal increase in the outside temperature as compared with what he is used to. Therefore, the Northern dog in southern climates will do as well or better in excessive heat that the short-haired dog who is very susceptible to heat stroke.

I would now like to discuss two mechanisms of heat control, one which is utilized specifically in the case of Northern animals, and one which is utilized by dogs in general. I would first like to discuss the problems of severe cold and how the animal protects his body temperature in addition to his insulation. It is not possible to totally insulate the dog and in general, the areas not adequately insulated are the areas that are in contact with his snowy world. Those areas are, of course, his feet and legs. Problems of the feet and legs, or in the case of man, the hands and feet, are frequently noted in cold exposure. Man, who is not well insulated, to protect his body temperature and vital organs, will literally shut off blood supply to the feet and hands. When one goes out in the cold and is not properly dressed, one's feet and hands become extremely cold and frostbite or freezing of the fingers and toes is a common occurrence. If this process was followed in the case of a dog in his 60 to 70 degree below zero weather, he would of course be in very bad straits. Therefore, instead of stopping the blood supply to the extremeties so the blood does not become chilled, what occurs is that the warm, oxygen carrying arterial blood going into the limb runs right next to the cold, unoxygenated blood leaving the limb. Since they are right next to each other, the warm blood gives up its heat to the cold blood, preventing the loss of this heat as it gets down to the exposed part of the dog's foot. The oxygenated blood can get to the vital parts of the foot to maintain their nutrition, but at the same time does not allow a loss of body heat to the cold air.

The ability of the animal's foot and lower leg to live at very low temperatures requires addition adaptation of the tissue, some of which is not well understood. There is one example though that is well understood and noted, and that is the difference in the melting (or freezing, Ed.) temperature of the fat associated with the foot and leg as compared to the melting temperature of body fat. The best example of this noted in the case of neatsfoot oil which is the fat from the foot of a cow as compared to the tallow which is the fat from the body of the cow. As you remember, neatsfoot oil is a liquid at normal room temperature, whereas tallow is solid. Therefore, the fat is adapted in the foot of the animal to keep it from becoming solid at these low temperatures and becoming brittle and breaking. I am sure there are other changes in the cells in the tissues of these parts which allow them to tolerate this lower temperature and still function for the animal, but the heat exchange mechanism between the arterial and venous blood in the limbs of cold adapted animals is absolutely essential to their survival.

It is possible that a reverse heat exchange takes place in hotter weather. In this instance, blood going to the feet would pick up excess heat in the blood leaving the feet and carry it away from the body, thus preventing a dangerous increase in the animal's body temperature. I doubt, however, if this reverse mechanism plays as important a part in the loss of body heat during hot weather as the heat exchange mechanism does in the protection of the animal in the cold.

Now, since the total animal is covered with an insulated coating, perspiring for the loss of heat through the large area of the skin of the body as in man is not practical. Therefore, the animal must have another means of heat loss. Anyone who has dealt with dogs knows that the dog pants when he is hot. It is his panting mechanism that allows the dog to lose heat he does not need when the weather is hot. The mechanism functions on the principle of evaporation. As I have said before, evaporation is extremely effective because you can lose almost five-hundred and forty times as much heat without changing the temperature of the air at all. This evaporation takes place in the dog's nose and is enhanced by the fact that there are many folds of tissue in the nose which increase the surface area that the air is in contact with. In addition, this tissue actually perspires and has a large blood supply, thereby acting muchlike the radiator in the car. This makes a good mechanism of heat loss, but one needs some way in which to shut it off when one does not want to lose heat. Since the animal must breathe and must take in a pretty constant volume of air at all times, because varying this volume of air would interfere with other bodily functions, people have often been concerned as to how this is controlled. A recent study, just published, has looked into this problem and has come to this conclusion. The air is brought in through the dog's nose and in the case of panting is exhaled through the mouth. In doing this, the air picks up much moisture and heat from the nose, this cooling the nose and drying it. When it is exhaled, it is exhaled through the mouth and since there is much less blood supply to the area around the mouth and the surface area is much less, almost all of the moisture is absorbed and the heat will leave the dog's mouth and be lost. When the dog does not wish to lose body heat, he simply exhales the air that he has brought in through the nose back out the nose, in which case a great proportion of the moisture and heat will be returned to the large surface area and the membranes in the nose thus minimizing the loss of heat. Therefor, when an animal is hot, the hotter the animal is the more of the air he brings in through his nose will be exhaled through the mouth, thus the wide open, tongue out position. If he does not wish to lose heat when it is cold out, he will breathe in and out through his nose and keep his mouth closed. The provides a quite sensitive means of temperature control, particularly in the case of the animal who has other means of protecting himself from the cold and from the outside temperature as do the long-haired Northern breeds. The animal, therefore, in general has developed enough capacity of heat loss through his panting mechanism to compensate for the very wide swings in temperature.

In the case of man, the removal of clothing during hot weather increases the ability to lose heat by evaporation of moisture. The dog does not have this ability and therefore his insulation is a protection to him during hot weather. If the animal loses his insulation during very hot weather, by having his coat clipped for instance, he runs the risk of not being able to maintain his body temperature. His skin temperature loss probably is not only inefficient but, since he does not prespire, he will probably increase the temperature of his skin and his body temperature as well.

Anything that would interfere with a dog's ability to pant efficiently can also be a great danger to him in hot weather. It is not uncommon to hear of animals who have died of heat stroke after having been given an anesthetic for some minor surgical procedure and then left in a hot car. If the animal is not wide awake or has had an anesthetic, he is not able to compensate for the increased temperature by increased panting. The animal locked in a hot car does not have the ability to open the window as do people and is, of course, very susceptible to heat stroke and death. The dogs in our experience that are most susceptible to hot weather and to sickness from heat are those that have a poor panting mechanism, i.e., the short-nosed dogs such as bulldogs, Pugs, etc. They are extremely susceptible to high temperature and tolerate Southern climates such as ours very poorly unless they are kept in an air-conditioned house.

I think the important point to remember in relation to Arctic breed, is that these breeds were able to survive in the Arctic not only because they could tolerate cold but because more precisely, they could tolerate extremely wide swings of temperature in relation to their body temperature. Therefore, they are also, it appears, better adapted for severely high temperatures. The animal that was selected by living in a temperate climate, that is, one in which the temperature stayed very close to the animal's body temperature throughout the year, is not only going to be very susceptible to cold weather, but also is going to be more susceptible to severely hot weather which is well over the dog's body temperature.

The final point I'd like to make to in my "Five Minute Lecture" on Northern Dogs in the South is that the Arctic breeds are probably the best heat adaptable dogs one could find, so therefore, I would not be fearful of their presence in a hot climate. However, I might add, there are other problems associated with hot climates such as increase parasites and skin problems that do cause the long-haired Northern dogs to have greater problems than do some of the short-haired breeds.


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vicfion
Ultra ALPHA


May 13, 2004, 5:27 PM

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Yeah I was thinking about it too.. What happen to those tees...
Yeap talked to her except she thinks I shoudn't get dogs while my short stay in USA... What she dont get it (I think) was I actually saving them more than get them myself except maybe the Malamute... I was too in love... Fiona

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