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PSD
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Sep 28, 2004, 6:26 PM

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Hi there everyone, im new in here. u guys seems to be GSD experts. i would like to know more about GSD because im planning to get one. Is there a lot of procedure involve in impoting a dog from europe? and roughly how much will it cost?
Im actually studying in melbourne now, does the GSD in melbourne has a good bloodline?



Thanks Chloe.Smile

qstee,

Importing has its risks if you do not know the breeder well. Might end up with alot of problems and unstable dogs is not unknown of. It is a choice and risk one has to take. Malaysia do have some good dogs around already and u just need to find them.

I had known of some melbourne breeders whom have good working dogs and I had also heard of some of the unscroupulous ones. I personally deals with another breeder not in Melbourne and so far he knows what I want in a GSD so the relationship and trust is good.

I assumed that you got into this thread because of your interest in working GSD rite? not the show ones Tongue

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


qstee
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Sep 28, 2004, 6:32 PM

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Hey PSD. been to waiting for your reply quite awhile. i thought u dont log in the forum anymore. hell yeah man, im interested in working GSD. According to some of the trainer here in melbourne. they say shutzhund is ban in aus cause is dangerous. is that true? they say that the trainer usually abuse the dog. Im really quite confuse now. cause i see one of the trainer's GSD is a show line but i see his doing fine maybe i dont know how to differentiate what is good and bad.

I wanted to do more research on this dog before getting it because i know they are full of potential. so i dont want to ruined them in my hand. anyway thanks for replying the forumSly


PSD
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Sep 28, 2004, 7:41 PM

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qstee,



Hahahahaha.....actually its true that I seldom log on nowadays. Had been busy and a bit dissapointed in dog world. Nothing gets done in Malaysia.......well too slow anyway but leave that for another time Wink

In Australia, there is this organisation GSDCA which is supposedly the main body for GSD is governed by show people who is interested in their dogs looking good but nothing else. These are big time show people and breeder. Although they are affiliated to WUSV, they are not subscribing to WUSV policy of a GSD must not only have the looks but they must have the ability and courage. Since WUSV needs this policy in place, GSDCA had in a way gone in to sabotage GSD by quietly lobbying the government for the ban in SCHH activities. This way GSDCA can justify and do not have to subject their dogs from passing this temprement and ability test in order to show and breed.

There is another organisation in Australia .....I forgot the name....dealing in working dogs. These are the serious people training and competing in the sports of SchH. These are the people trying to enlighten the public of how safe the SchH dogs are really is and why such test is needed. A GSD without the heart and courage of GSD is a dead breed.

The breeders whom said SchH is dangerous has no idea what SchH is. They do not understand dogs good enough to comment on this sport. ScHH dogs are points scoring dogs and must be 100% reliable at all time. Discipline and the love for the work must very high in the dogs mind. DO u think an abused dog can do that?Tongue That is your answer....SlyLaugh

It is good that you are researching on it. SchH needs alot of determination and time to spend with your dog. Most importantly, for you to succeed in SchH you need to have SUPER interest in your dog. This way man n dog can function as a great team. The idea is not if you win or lose a trial but how much enjoyment you n your dog have in doing the work.

The surest way to learn is first to get a reasonable good dog. Your first may not be a 100% SchH trained dog but he can surely do at least 25% which is good enough for starters and you will then get better as u go along.

Oh yeah....never beat a puppy whatever the case should be.Sly

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


qstee
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Sep 28, 2004, 11:09 PM

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Thanks for the helpful advice. dont be too down lah....the starting part is always the hardest. just have faith in it and it will be doneSmile.

actually im planning to get the GSD for a guard dog. as u can see the malaysia crime rate is getting higher and higher and i think a well trained GSD is much reliable than a security guard. dont u agree with that....Cool. actually i had one rottweiler in malaysia. and i send to this trainer for a month for a RM 1000. i feel that ive been con by him. aihhh.....the more i talk to the trainer and read the books the more i confirm he con my money. and i read from the forum i found that there are so many ppl out there using the dog as a money tree. thats why i think better do the training my self.

do u have any advice that get me start on this wonderful species?Laughthanks alot......

p/s:i did send u an email. did u receive it?


PSD
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Sep 29, 2004, 12:54 AM

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Thanks for the helpful advice. dont be too down lah....the starting part is always the hardest. just have faith in it and it will be doneSmile.



hahahahaha.....done.....by who? our beloved scenario here is almost functioning like the GSD body in Australia. So many people are really good talkers but none around when the time to act come. TongueUnsure I'll wait ler....no more lobbying for me. Me just wait and if it comes then it comes if not then nevermind also. I still have my dogs and I enjoyed working them my own with some friends. Smile




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actually im planning to get the GSD for a guard dog. as u can see the malaysia crime rate is getting higher and higher and i think a well trained GSD is much reliable than a security guard. dont u agree with that....Cool. actually i had one rottweiler in malaysia. and i send to this trainer for a month for a RM 1000.



RM1000 for one month to train a guard dog? Surely u kena. Everyone seams to think protection training is so simple as the dog biting. 1 month isnt going to be it. The soonest u can churn out a reliable protection dog is 3-4 months if the dog has good temprements and drives. For SchH high scorer u need more than 1 year to train and condition them and I'm talking about at least 4 -5 session a week.




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the more i talk to the trainer and read the books the more i confirm he con my money. and i read from the forum i found that there are so many ppl out there using the dog as a money tree. thats why i think better do the training my self.



This is reality. All kinds of people and not many u can find willing to lose money for the hobby. Most is thinking how to make fast buck. Its reality. Doint it yourself is a noble intention but it takes time and practise. If you are training a guard dog then you cannot do it yourself. You will never be able to put the dog in a situation that he needs to defend himself from u. BlushLaugh




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do u have any advice that get me start on this wonderful species?Laughthanks alot......



My advice is start with OB and get the book "Purely Positive Training" by Shiela Booth. Then get in touch with people who knows how to train protection in your area and learn along with them. Are u in KL? can always refer you to some friends.




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p/s:i did send u an email. did u receive it?



My mail was spammed like hell UnsureMad was overloaded too Blush. Nope didnt receive your mail. Can u resend I had just cleaned it.Smile

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


qstee
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Sep 29, 2004, 1:10 AM

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im actually coming back during beginning of dec, and will be in malaysia for 3 months. therefore i think u can intro some dog enthusiast and expert for me(been waiting for this moment quite awhileSmile).

I know that it is very tough to train a schtuzthund trial dog. that time i was too naive and believe what the guy say. that time i was a bit lazy and think that ppl can do it for me. didnt really put much effort in. now i know that u want this wonderful species to work with u, u must put in hell lot of effort.

actually i got a rottweiler at home.but it kind of gone out of control. im very regret for what i have done. therefore i wouldnt want to repeat the same mistake again.

i actually trying to find the sheila booth book over here. i got some other books recommend by the trainer as well. therefore i will try to look up(but it is really expensive man. wait till my mum find out im dead....Tongue...hahaha)


PSD
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Sep 29, 2004, 7:11 PM

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Sure. Just give me a note when u will be here and lets see what we can do.

Before u mistaken me, Would like to clarify that Guard dog can be trained by a 3rd person if that 3rd person has the skills for it. It is just that he will keep u informed of the progress month by month and after the dog qualify he will work with you and show how u can handle the dog. In other words he passes over the command of the dog to you.

I would not like the idea of 3 month speed training for a guard dog. What I would look for is not how good I'm in training but if the dog has the right temprement n nerves for the training. Would like to evaluate the dog at young age from 8 weeks to 4 month. Then I would propose this dog be started in "drived obedience" then the dog will be passed to the owner to control and get the relationship going until perfect control is gained. Then when the dog reach 8-10 months we start with some basic bite development work and continue from then until we achieve good confident bite but still under control. This can go on for 2-3 month (commercial training will stop here and give u back the dog as fully trained)

Then we will put the dog in numerous attempted reality scenario which I shall not describe here before the dog is certified as graduated. The process of tuning is done every month or every other month to keep the dog tip top for the work in your own property.

This way you will have reliable dog of the lifetime. However saying that, not every dog can do that which is why selection is important. The worst that can happen is for one person not so sure about reading a dog to go and buy a puppy and ended up with something that cannot work. Sadly this is what I usually see.

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


russellc
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Oct 3, 2004, 6:18 PM

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I fully support the idea of starting up a true schH club.

you can count me in anytime.

Winkname :russell

Tonguelocation: USJ subang

Coollooking: to join any schH club

CrazyBreed: gsd

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russellc
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Oct 5, 2004, 9:25 AM

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Hi,

This is my self-introduction:

I only have GSDs from kids till now. I had bought my first working GSD puppy from Kirschental 8 year ago, Cerrie vom kirschental, thinking of might be able to train her for Schutzhund....well..only found out we don't have any!

So, i wait...... 8year till now...........i still can not see any light of it ( and i know clearly the reason behind it) ! My bitch is still with me, i had her trained in OB, by myself, from the resourceful net and video. Can not train protection cause can't find a helper.

I just bought another puppy from a Czech working line, his name is Fero Z Jirkova dvora CS, 4 months old, training him in tracking, still, leaning from the net and advise from the breeder. Thinking of sending him back to Germany to train for schH, very expensive, the fee and expenses is equivalent as sending my son to England for his degree! I must be mad if i decided to do it, i think.

As to Schutzhund club, i'm still very much keeping my finger cross, but will take any active position if time is right, of course, together with many of guys like u, we can realise the idea.

I still have many 8 year to live, i believe.


boon
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Oct 5, 2004, 4:44 PM

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Cerrie vom kirschental born on 5th Oct 1997 ?

This kennel breed combination of show and recently step into working line gsd. So from the pedigree, ur gal is a typical german show line.

fero z jirkova dvora hmmmm who is the sire/dam ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


qstee
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Oct 5, 2004, 9:41 PM

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Wow!!! that is really expesive man. i think another way is to buy books and videos and learn through them. i think that would be cheaper.


russellc
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Oct 5, 2004, 10:21 PM

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Yes. But i really cannot answer or respond to you about a 8-year-ago show kirschental and now-a-day working kirschental, cause i did not follow every single of their breeding, and i'm not a German myself that i understand what they say .Crazy

One thing is , however, sure; cerrie is the best gsd i ever had. Definitely easier to handler and develop thru the pray drive, never tried her defensive drive tot, any time easier then controlling Fero! May be i was only ready for a show bitch!Sly


russellc
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Oct 6, 2004, 8:10 AM

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As to Fero:

Fero is from Xac z Pohranicni straze & Chasinta z Pohranicni straze, line-breed is Iro z Pohranicni straze 3-3, the father of Gent od Policie. May be a 3-3 is too close??

In tracking, I'm using on him the so-called " three foot food", where you put his flavorous food within every single footsteps within three foot dimension, anyway it's mainly lots of play and game, to create a closer relationship and make him know the command of "search".

My hand and foot are all scratches, he will keep fight back, bite harder the second time, he is also very suspicious especially in new environmental. If he is not properly groom, will definitely a fear bitter. It's lots of different from kirschental bitch, where the bitch spirit is more lively, the bond more human, the prey drive of west GSD is well (shall i say genetically) more developed. Fero mind is more independent, well..don't really know how to tell, will need to observe more time (less then one month with me). He is learning basic OB, like sit, down, stand. retrieve no way yet!Pirate

I also learn from the past-thread that u have a Czech GSD, how is he doing ?


boon
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Oct 6, 2004, 4:26 PM

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3-3 is 'pretty normal' definately not too close. u can even see 2-2 on some very closely monitor and observe linebred to reproduce themselves.

i don do any formal training for my boy yet....he is still wild. let him be a doy as long as he still know and aware that i'm the boss. will strart him when he turn 1.

tracking i will use the joanne plumb's way. the footsteps, scentbox and etc.


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he is also very suspicious especially in new environmental. If he is not properly groom, will definitely a fear bitter



socialise the hell out of him....else u will have hard time to take control over him. What do u plan to do with him ? PP ? Schh ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


russellc
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Oct 7, 2004, 4:23 AM

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Yes, i even saw some dad-daughter line!Unsure

No particular planning, just let him know the command of search, some 20 steps tracking (if only i know), basic OB, retrieve, keep his prey drive alive during his first one year + hell lot of socializing.

Do not know how to get a schH? can he be register under SV and get kkl?


boon
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Oct 7, 2004, 6:22 AM

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kkl ? not now.

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You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


russellc
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Oct 7, 2004, 7:17 AM

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ya, i mean later stage.


edwardng
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Dec 7, 2004, 7:21 AM

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Dear Boon,

I am also a working person, at the moment, i'm working my dog for Schutzhund 1, i've been helper for the past 4 years. i'm sure their a lot of things we can share

please direct to this post. thank you.




edward chin


boon
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Dec 7, 2004, 4:09 PM

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Hi Edward,

Nice to hear that from your end, where r u from ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


beethovan
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Dec 9, 2004, 1:44 AM

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Hi Guys,

I am GSD Lover and would hope to learn more of Sch & other form of Training/experience to improve the overall being of our beloved dog. I am surprised to see that not much activity had been held/finalise as I followed the progress from the first thread till the last thread.

I am sure that some form of informal friendly gathering will promote the bond and support for this sport among all.

Or perhaps, I had missed the apportunity to catch up with all.

Looking eagerly to catchup with you guys for any form of gathering if available.


qstee
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Dec 9, 2004, 5:35 PM

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yeah!!! a gathering will be a wonderful idea.....

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