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RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Nov 20, 2003, 11:24 AM

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Bite

Hi guys,

I know this topic might seem petty..but I'm really keen on learning more. How do encourage a dog to bite using his whole mouth?(that's the way of biting right?) Now, my dog does bite but sometimes he uses just his front teeth. I would put the cloth/tug tuy at the back of his mouth, where the molars are so that he can get a proper bite..but sometimes it doesn't get bitten on very hard and ends up at his front teeth.

When he gets a full mouthful, I make sure he really has fun tugging and biting...sort of a way to praise him. Is this correct? Crazy

Any tips to help me out?

Sometimes, when he wants to,he'll hv a good grip,move his neck and i'll lose my balance and fall.

Constructive replies very much appreciated. Thanks in advance Smile

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PSD
ALPHA

Nov 20, 2003, 10:20 PM

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RD,

Dog training revolves on the concepts of "dog give us our agenda, we reward them on their agenda"

Bite training is a series of foundation. Each step like in other training must be solid before we move on to another. To make a dog to bite is simple to make a dog to bite full and calm is tricky. I can share with you the basics but it will take years of experience to come near to mastering.

Play tug with a piece of rag. The idea is to create prey which is a series of non threatening fast movement onto the rag away from the dog or sideways to the dog. The dog will bite...maybe with front teeth. Hold with a bit of pressure just enough not to pull the rag out of the mouth. When the dog counters or adjust the hold to fuller bite, quickly release the tug. The dog wins the prey. That is reward. The dog will start to enjoy the winning and u increase the criteria. This time one counter you dont release, you continue to fight then 2-3 counters later you release. Once the rags play is solid, you can switch prey items into something like a tug or a ball on string. Start like step one again and build it up.

If you are doing it correctly and that your dog has the right drives then the full mouth will develop....this is just tip of the iceberg.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Nov 21, 2003, 12:18 AM

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Thanks very much for the tip. Will be trying that..looks like I've been doing it wrong. Smile

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ALPHA

Nov 21, 2003, 12:57 AM

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Ont thing I forgot to tell you. Develop it challenging ehough but also slowly. It takes time to be really solid. Some dogs needs up to 2-3 months of rag work before getting the idea. The timing is important to make the dog learn faster. Only release when the dog counters and immediately. Dont even lose 2 seconds.

Good luck.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

mhazman
Member

Nov 21, 2003, 2:20 AM

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Hi RD,
Don't tire out the dog. Stop when he's asking for more. The next time he'll be on a higher drive.Look for signs of stress like growling and don't push beyond that.Build on the confidence and targetting the bite.
Its quite enjoyable when your dog bites well.

Azman

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Nov 21, 2003, 7:53 AM

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Wait...I'm suppose to stop when he wants more? LIke when he's all excited abt the game? Crazy

And at the peak of it?

Any other stress signs?

Thanks for you input Smile

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RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Nov 21, 2003, 7:55 AM

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Note taken..thanks Smile

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mhazman
Member

Nov 21, 2003, 5:58 PM

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RD,

Sent u n email.

Azman

PSD
ALPHA

Nov 21, 2003, 7:19 PM

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Don't tire out the dog. Stop when he's asking for more. The next time he'll be on a higher drive.Look for signs of stress like growling and don't push beyond that.Build on the confidence and targetting the bite.
Its quite enjoyable when your dog bites well.

Yup, This is important. All training should stop at the dogs highest peak be it OB or bite work. Must learn the avoid the "maybe one more time syndrom" which a lot of newbie finds it hard to resist.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

PSD
ALPHA

Nov 21, 2003, 7:30 PM

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Any other stress signs?

Stress onto the dog can come from your own postures, movements of prey and environment. It is therefore important to address your own postures first. For one during prey work never give direct eye contact staring into the dog. Some dogs are more sensitive to tht. Also do not prey fight the dog with your shoulder square to the dog(means not facing him frontal). You should always adjust yourself to face him by the side of your body during prey work. The movements of prey is always away and sideways to the dog. Prey do not move directly into the dog. So if you lets say "lastic the new dog directly into the face with the rug it will bring defensive drive into the dog and too much too soon, some dogs will break. Environmental chances like diff places, diff crowds add stress onto the dog too. So the dog performance will not be the same when these stress are around. We must then revert back to step one if these stress are introduced in a controlled manner.

I didn't answer you exactly as per your Q but perhaps this will help u understand also.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

Kowpa
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Nov 21, 2003, 7:53 PM

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Any other stress signs?

When u see your dog yawning this is the sign of stress, licking the lips, the look from the eyes, the dog's body posture, the whiskers too stand straight is aggression and too far down is fear to be able to see stress thru the whisker u must understand your dog and experience.

PSD
ALPHA

Nov 21, 2003, 11:40 PM

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Kowpa,

Excellent!!! I think this answers RD question more specifically. To add, some dogs pee, some dogs air scenting, some dog will smell the grass. When the dog reach avoidence level, usually they become displaced and will show a 3rd behaviour which has nothing to do with the situation at all. This sometimes happen to many dogs if the training is not correct or the dog does not have the genetics for the work. Agreed with you that it takes some experience to be a ble to read the dog correctly.

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Nov 22, 2003, 9:45 AM

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Got it..and replied Smile

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RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Nov 22, 2003, 9:56 AM

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Thank you for the tips. Nvr knew that. Will change the position. Anything more that i should be aware of that might help? or any website explaining this? Any interesting working dog forums?

"I didn't answer you exactly as per your Q but perhaps this will help u understand also. "

don't bother abt not exactly answering..as long as it helps Smile

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RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Nov 22, 2003, 10:07 AM

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Re: [Kowpa] Bite

hmm..think i got the idea.

What abt the body posture? What/How is his posture? Could u pls elaborate more on that?

Thanks for the tips Smile

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Kowpa
Member

Nov 22, 2003, 8:55 PM

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hmm..think i got the idea.

What abt the body posture? What/How is his posture? Could u pls elaborate more on that?

Thanks for the tips Smile

To answer your Q abt the body posture is not that easy to elaborate in words. If I'm good in drawing that might help a bit but I'm not

When the dog is stress the body posture looks more or less like submissive, attempts to make body appear smaller, turning its head away, does not accept treat reward. The easiest way to recognise it is when the dog is yawning, have u ever seen this type of signal during your training be4

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Nov 22, 2003, 11:02 PM

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Re: [Kowpa] Bite

A few times but during play time..

hmm...not exactly sure what u mean..maybe the next time if we all meet up you could elaborate more.

Thanks.
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RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Dec 16, 2003, 9:58 AM

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Hi,

Just a little question.

When I take away the toy,do I gv any command or cue?

At the moment, I don't gv them a command but they do know my body language(sometimes) when I'm abt to take the ball/tug away and will try to avoid me.

Also,I take away the ball the second it drops fr their mouth.

Is this right? Crazy

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Al
Novice

Dec 17, 2003, 6:35 PM

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Hello Everyone,

My name is Al and new around here. Mind me joining and learn from you all?

More power!!!

boon
Doggyman

Dec 17, 2003, 11:13 PM

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Re: [Al] Bite

Hi Al,

Welcome aboard, mind share a bit more about yourself wiht us ? by the way I'm from Penang, Malaysia. I have a female yellow lab by the name of Bonney, she is 19 months old.

Are you into working dog ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

PSD
ALPHA

Dec 17, 2003, 11:18 PM

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RD,

If you are just starting out with the dog, you will not want to give any command yet. You will want the dog to bite hold on to it, counter the bites and carry the bites. Your aim is to occassionally try to snatch away the item when u think the dog is not paying attention. You have to be a good actor here as your aim is just for him to hold on and still win the fight. This is done to intensify the holding power and the length of the carry. If the dog carry and drops the items then quickly grab the item and make prey again. Soon your dog will get the idea that if he drops he lose the prey. This will takes weeks of daily session of 3-5 mins until the hold is full and very solid before you teach out. happy trying.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

(This post was edited by PSD on Dec 17, 2003, 11:22 PM)

PSD
ALPHA

Dec 17, 2003, 11:19 PM

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Re: [Al] Bite

Hi Al,

You are most welcome to join us. Mind telling us more about yourself?

Thanks.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

Al
Novice

Dec 18, 2003, 2:37 AM

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Thank you for your warm welcome.

I'm Al Reanto from Manila, Philippines, a working dog enthusiast and my breeds of choice are the working GSDs and Belgian Malinois. Unfortunately, I don't do sports as working service dogs are my passion and I work my dogs as well as others in that discipline. I run a small kennel facility south of Manila and breed rarely.

Best regards...

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Dec 18, 2003, 5:58 AM

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Hi,

Thanks for the reply.At the moment the dogs are getting the idea of holding it. But not too strong.

The thing that I'm confused abt is when do I take the ball/toy away? I know that it's when they want it the most..but how do I take it away? I don't want them to get bored.

Now,they don't drop the toy....they barely anyway. They'll hold onto it for hours(tried that once) and chew it. Crazy

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RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Dec 18, 2003, 6:08 AM

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Hello Al,

You are more than welcomed to join us. Smile

Mind telling us more abt your dogs?

I'm Chloe frm Selangor,Malaysia. I'm a fan of the working line dogs (don't really hv a fav breed yet). I hv a Dobermann,Bullmastiff,German short haired pointer and a cocker spaniel mix terrier. Only the GSP has some working line in him and has a high prey drive.
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Al
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Dec 18, 2003, 7:02 AM

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Hi Chloe:

Thanks again for your warm welcome. I have several dogs and just describing anyone of them may be too lengthy. I do have a website but I don't know if this forum will allow posting such as it might be construed as an advertisement.

Anyway, I have Czech/Slovak/DDR and pure East German GSDs. I likewise have NVBK Mechelaar herders (malinois). I work these dogs in protection, agility, mantracking and obedience where mantracking is more of my favorite activity. I also assist other dog owners in the training of their dogs. As mentioned in my earlier post, I don't train for competition, only reality. I strived to learn and work my dogs that way ever since I held the leash as I find it appropriate due to the deteriorating peace and order situation in our country.

Best regards...

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Dec 18, 2003, 7:13 AM

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Re: [Al] Bite

Hi,

You hv great dogs.At the moment,I've just started learning. I'm more into reality training too since I hv been in situations where a PP dog would be of great use to deter unwanted characters.

Could you please e-mail me the URL? My e-mail add is reality69dreamer@yahoo.com.

Thanks in advance.
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Al
Novice

Dec 18, 2003, 8:32 PM

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In Reply To

Hi,

You hv great dogs.At the moment,I've just started learning. I'm more into reality training too since I hv been in situations where a PP dog would be of great use to deter unwanted characters.

Hi Chloe: Well, if you do have a compelling reason to own one.... It does require hard work, dedication, responsibility, maturity and a genetically-correct dog to develop one. Good luck....

PSD
ALPHA

Dec 18, 2003, 9:53 PM

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RD,

When I meant full and calm bite I meant it in a way that nothing can pull it out from his mouth. Smile

Noticed you mentioned chew on it. I hope you didnt mean chewy bites as that is a sign of nervousness or being afraid to lose the prey. It can come from paterned training where the dog already knows what you are going to do next and anticipated it. In this case your dog may have benn anticipating you wanting to take away the toy and gets nervous about it therefore the chewing. I have a disclaimer though as I have not seen your dog doing it so what I guess may not be accurate.

In any case, once the bite is as describe above, full and calm, you may have to exchange the release with a piece of good food. Some people will be teaching out from this point but for me I still would not do that as I want my dog to be extreemely high in drive. This is where some opinions differ.

For me I would continue the drive process further without any outs and there will be a stage where he is so high that he will not be willing to release the prey for anything else. That is the time I will teach the outs once and solidly print into the mind of the dog.

As for you, if you are going into protection only and not requiring the dog to be showing extreeme attitude in sporty bite work, then you can teach out earlier when you exchange release of prey for food like you train normal obedience. That should help you.

About when is the time to keep the prey, it is at the highest point where he push the hardest for the prey. If you do that they wont get bored. What you are trying to do is to leave them the high feeling of frustration which will show itself even higher on your next session. So you must learn to increase the criterias set for the dog as he gets stronger in its drive. This is basic theory of training.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

PSD
ALPHA

Dec 18, 2003, 10:02 PM

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Re: [Al] Bite

Hi Al,

Yeah I had thought you were Al Reanto of AsoniAl Kennel, just wanted to make sure you are actually the man....heheheh. Welcome, good that you are here to share some experience along the way.

About the cases of sports dogs and service dog thingy, well there had been some very heated discussions is many other boards. Nevertheless personally I had thought that this is all a non-issue. Anyway in these 2 discipline, if the aim is correct, both dogs must have the genetics for the work in order to excel in it. So a great dog can either be a sports dog or a service dog depends on what is decided for it by the owner/handler/trainer. I'm sure you will agree with me on this. Smile

Welcome again.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

Al
Novice

Dec 18, 2003, 10:38 PM

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In Reply To

About the cases of sports dogs and service dog thingy, well there had been some very heated discussions is many other boards. Nevertheless personally I had thought that this is all a non-issue. Anyway in these 2 discipline, if the aim is correct, both dogs must have the genetics for the work in order to excel in it. So a great dog can either be a sports dog or a service dog depends on what is decided for it by the owner/handler/trainer. I'm sure you will agree with me on this. Smile

Hi PSD:

That's true. Sports vs. Real is indeed a very controversial subject often ending up in heated arguments. I'm not one to argue with anyone as preference is always on the side of the owner/handler, depending on his requirement and the gravity of his requirement.

These modern training concepts has caught fire and is the present rave of many trainers and handlers, save for a few who has, so to speak, "kept the faith". Let me first admit that I am one of the very few who subscribe to this ancient and forgotten discipline, and, if you can promise to keep an open mind, can share with you some of its' insights.

Best regards...

PSD
ALPHA

Dec 19, 2003, 12:27 AM

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Al,

In my mind, many road that will lead to Rome. In this modern world even more like sea and air too.....heheheh. Jokes aside, everyone as you rightly pointed has their own favourites version. Nevertheless, not one way is best for all dogs. An experienced trainer like you will know that every dog is born with their own sets of genetics potential. How much eventually they reach up to the maximum potential all depends on the trainer's and the methods he creatively prescribe.

Surely I can appreciate a good discussion. In the end everyone learns. So just shoot and not worry. Tongue

It will not be an arguement if both side kept on the factual discussion. End of the day it is only such that we can move to greater heights.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

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Al
Novice

Dec 19, 2003, 1:26 AM

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In Reply To

It will not be an arguement if both side kept on the factual discussion. End of the day it is only such that we can move to greater heights.

Hi PSD:

That makes you a very wise trainer indeed. I like the jokes too.

You're right, not all dogs are created equal, so no one way is best for all dogs. There are dogs good for sports, there are serious dogs with too much character to be sported. With working service, you train for life's emergencies of whatever nature, demanding dogs of good stability that can take high levels of stress with a handler equally skilfull to stabilize his dog under new and real stress and possess good judgement to manage his dog to carry on the work, working under natural elements simulating serious events known or imagined. One classic example is a search and rescue dog, which must be able to carry on its function of saving lives effectively along with its' handler thru total chaos, be it fire, water, smoke, people in panic, hostile terrains and/or a combination of all those. A pup of a good and true working line are normally born,raised and seriously worked while exposed and made comfortable to such elements early in its life to assure a good chance of success in its future work.

Whew!!! Did I bore you with my post? Best regards...

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Dec 19, 2003, 6:33 AM

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Hi,

I'm not too sure whether or not it's nervous Crazy

Could you elaborate more on that? Tyson chews as if he's chewing a bone. Hazel chews like Tyson and also as if she's tearing meat off a bone,using her front teeth after she's comfortable. Then when I come to "take" the rag away,she'll hv a full bite and not let go.

But you are definitely right on the patterned training..They know..But usually they would hold the ball..and walk away.

There's one *minor* problem though. When Tyson was younger..when I first got him,he was trained to "let go" whenever I wanted something fr his mouth. Without the command,it would be in his mouth but would not fight much. Unsure

With,he'll just drop it.

"About when is the time to keep the prey, it is at the highest point where he push the hardest for the prey." Do I do this while the toy is with them while their holding it(after a while)? Or after a short session? say after 2-3 mins?
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RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Dec 19, 2003, 6:35 AM

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Re: [Al] Bite

Thanks. It will be a while before I own one. Smile

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ALPHA

Dec 19, 2003, 8:23 PM

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Re: [Al] Bite

Al,

Not to worry. Good dog talks are never boring Smile

. I totally agreed with you. That is why potentials owners must first have a vision of what the wants in a final dog. With that in mind he can chose the puppies with the right traits and socialise them to the environment that we want them to preform in eventually.

BTW tell me more about the dog scenes in Philpines. I heard you guys are pretty active in PP trainings and also SchH. We only wish we are half as advance as you guys in this.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

PSD
ALPHA

Dec 19, 2003, 8:33 PM

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Chloe,

Good you noticed when they start chewing. The idea is to never give chance for them to chew at all. One way I wouold do is to tie a rope to the rag or tug and once they bite, counter a few times I will let go the prey item but still hold on to the rope. When they pull I hold on, when they counter I let go more line when they dont pull or counter I pull the rope in and shake the item like a live prey trying to get away even when bitten. Once the bites is good then you can down them and teach the out with exchange of food.

Noticed that up to this point I'm still going positive and motivational because your dog is still new to all these.

Ok About the release, When your dog chases the fastest and bites the hardest, just stop everything still holding on to the prey item and when u notice your dog drops his attention just Jerk the ball out of his mouth, let him chase the prey again for once twice(no bite) and the game ends. You can see it in their faces then they will give you the "hey wats up......I want some more you nutty girl....gimme...gimme" look. Tongue

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

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Al
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Dec 19, 2003, 10:05 PM

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In Reply To

BTW tell me more about the dog scenes in Philpines. I heard you guys are pretty active in PP trainings and also SchH. We only wish we are half as advance as you guys in this.

Hi PSD:

Dog training in PI has improved significantly compared to a few years back. You'll see more owners involved in dogtraining helping themselves train their own dogs. New dogclubs with varying training styles offer options for dogowners to choose from, mostly in obedience.

SchH in PI is more of the traditional, that is Breed Suitability Test (BST) as it was originally intended. After a year of slump, many are now serious in acquiring their BH. Others train for honest-to-goodness ringsports. Discussions on Sports vs. Real has helped a few realize its difference but sadly, there are still many who trains sports and passes them off as PP dogs. Many are preoccupied with just bitework and rocking the decoy. Agility, tracking and protection are mostly done sportstyle here, save for a few who works not for recognition, trophies or ribbons but only for security and peace of mind. It's a variety.

Best regards...

PSD
ALPHA

Dec 19, 2003, 11:59 PM

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Re: [Al] Bite

Al,

Can we move over to the new thread on Free Discussion - Protection I just started to keep on track. I think we may have strayed off topic in this thread.
Smile

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Dec 20, 2003, 6:46 AM

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ok.got it!

Thanks Smile

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Dog Kichi

Dec 21, 2003, 5:20 AM

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Al,

Wow U have a small kennel facility ?? Great. Any way, welcome.

Steven
Penang Island.

Al
Novice

Dec 21, 2003, 2:22 PM

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Thank you, Steven.

hybridtheory
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Jan 3, 2005, 8:00 PM

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Re: [RealityDreamer] Bite

if your asking how to train your dog how to bite then i strongly recommend to work with a professional decoy and trainer.

There are plenty of steps you need to take. You also need to have your dog properly evaluated to see if they are capable to do what you need to do.

I can train a labrador or a poodle to bite a sleeve with a full mouth and look good on a Sch field. but whether it will protect you well thats a different story.

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Jan 4, 2005, 8:27 AM

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Hello,

Thanks for the advice.

When I posted this question, I was wondering abt my dogs' potential and trying out different things(the basics,not requiring the more "stressful" drives)...giving them the foundation.

I hv 2 dogs at the moment but they are not suitable for protection work. One I am just training for fun using her prey drive which is not great but enough. She however does not have enough defence. The other,he does not hv the nerves to bite but will show signs of aggression towards a threat.I'm not exactly sure if it's out of fear or defence but at the moment,he's what I got and I'm building his confidence. I'll be training him to his fullest potential,maybe up close barking..something like the bark and hold.

I'm still looking around for a serious personal protection dog capable of doing sports work,he/she doesn't have to excel at it but it would be fun if he/she could do that.

P.S. Are u a fan of Linkin Park?
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hybridtheory
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Jan 4, 2005, 9:36 AM

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Re: [RealityDreamer] Bite

Even though the bite is a part of protection. Its not the most important thing. The most important thing is before and after the bite. Thats where you can read your dog. A golden ret can bite. You can train any dog to bite a sleeve thats not hard. But to maintain fight and keep the dog in civil is what is important.

You would need to have your dog test and worked properly. In the end what you want is a dog that doesnt run. When I work a dog I tell the owners the % of what their dogs can handle as far as threat levels are concern. If its too low then get another dog. But if the owners are serious, we train to make sure that no person would be able to back down their dogs. The dogs will die fighting.

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RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Jan 9, 2005, 5:13 AM

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Re: [hybridtheory] Bite

Hello there,

Yes,I agree. Evaluation is always important. Without a foundation,there is no point. Smile

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JoeSmith
K9 Maniac

Jul 4, 2005, 10:44 PM

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Re: [RealityDreamer] Bite

Just had some fun time to read all those old posts about BITE.

I could give you one simple evaluation idea. Walk by your dogs with a very new (anything old is fine, but unknown to them and obviously without your smell on it) bag filled with some old cans. Track the bag slowly across the dogs and see how they react.

If scared, timid or not bothered might be a waste of time to try to train for pp works.

Give them a rope or something like this and see if they do the KILL, means shaking vigorously to kill the pray.

If he does not do it then it might be a sign of a �missing gene� and I would not bother to use this dog for pp work.

The rest is training, training and lots of it. Building up stamina, self-confidence and biting power. The latter can be achieved by simply providing your dog with some solid bones to chew on.

K9mon
Novice

Oct 29, 2005, 8:31 PM

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Re: [JoeSmith] Bite

Hi Chloe,

I've decided to join in after reading some comments posted by PSD, Azman and the other gurus.

I agree 100% of what all the gurus wrote, I just wanted to add one more thing here.

I'm guessing that your puppy is around 11 weeks, if so try not to work too hard on him.

I have learned from experience that the more you train the result can be less effective.

Btw your puppy looks nice from the picture. May I ask if this pup is from the Eros Mohnwise bloodline?

Thanks.

Pommymom
Novice

Apr 19, 2008, 12:20 AM

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Re: [PSD] Bite

Dear PSD,

I have been reading all the old postings on BITE forum. I am also interested in PP dog work. However I am new and would like to own a PP dog and involve in dogsport. May I know if a mixed breed have the possibility to excel in protection or dogsport given the training? Or do I need to get a working line dog to do this? In fact I have never seen a mixed breed in PP work before. As in my avatar, I have a lab/dalmatian mixed dog.

Thank you.

Stella

acsyen
Ultra ALPHA

Apr 22, 2008, 9:28 PM

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Re: [Pommymom] Bite

it is possible.. maybe you have not seen it but there are people who train mix breeds if their temperament and characteristics are suitable. Maybe you can check with 'Reality Dreamer' another forum member on this.

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Pommymom
Novice

Apr 22, 2008, 10:07 PM

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Re: [acsyen] Bite

Hi acsyen,

Thank you for your reply. I will try to contact realitydreamer. Just that they are so expert and serious and might not want to entertain my petty questions hehe. Unsure

But I'll try.

Pommymom
Novice

Apr 22, 2008, 10:13 PM

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Re: [RealityDreamer] Bite

Dear RealityDreamer,

Since you are involved in PP dogsport now, I would like to request a word of two of advise from you. May I know if my lab/dal mix have a potential to be a PP dog? What sort of temperament needed? She is actually timid and have some fear aggression with oher people and dogs. Will she overcome it with OB and try to be trained a PP dog later depending on her performance?...but first I would like to find out what kind of temperament the dog for dogsports should be. If my mixed breed failed, and I were to look for a working line GSD what price am I looking at? And can I start with an older puppy say, 6-8 months? Thanks a lot! Wink

acsyen
Ultra ALPHA

Apr 22, 2008, 11:00 PM

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Re: [Pommymom] Bite

sorry to kaypo a bit ya.. now that you have given more details i can explain a part of it. Fear aggression cannot be cured by OB. You need to speak to a behavior correctal specialist. If I may know your location I can recommend you to some trainers. All training starts with basic OBedience. 6-8 months is definitely not too late. Usually recommended to start after all vaccines are done and even old dogs can learn new tricks. you just have to understand the dog's character to be able to teach it. Experienced trainers will know how to do it. Dun fall for those lousy trainers who have never even train a dog that can pass Novice level. Many cheapskate trainers out there I hope you do your research properly on the trainer. I can be contacted at acs_yen @ h.o.t.m.a.i.l.c.o.m if you need any help.

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