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chilimson
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Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

I read that the above dog was imported by someone in Malaysia, could someone let me know who or which kennel imported him? Thanks for you help.


rottzilla
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Nov 2, 2003, 5:01 AM


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Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Smile
Hello ,
The owner of Vom Haus Onul told me Cliff was sold to Indonesia !!


(This post was edited by rottzilla on Nov 2, 2003, 5:05 AM)


Polluxx
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Nov 3, 2003, 6:42 AM


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Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi rottzilla,

U got a very nice website ! !Cool

U got very nice dogs, among all ur dogs , I like "Ebby" best , she has got a very nice pedigree even for "working", ever consider training her for ScH work.Wink



Quote from ur site :
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""OUR DOGS (ROTTS) ARE IN TROUBLE !!

The breed standard describes the Rottweiler as "basically a calm, confident and courageous dog with a self-assured aloofness that does not lend itself to immediate and indiscriminate friendships".

"SHY & VICIOUS DOGS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE" !

Because uninformed,uncaring people - from celebrities to criminals - are acquiring Rottweilers, then failing to raise, train, socialize and maintain them properly, the Rottweiler has fallen into disrepute and is perceived by many as vicious.""
UnsureMad
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Rightly put ! Unimpressed...Owning & Breeding Rottweiler comes with a heavy responsibility ! ! Unimpressed
Rott are supposed to be bred for good natured, steady, self-assured manner & last but not the least, willingness to Work for his handler. A well bred rott of excellence temperament is a joy to own ! Cool

And IMO to accomplish all this we need to work/train our dogs for only by doing so, then we are able to identify those who have the desired character & working drive that can be select for breeding. I thk you said it best yourself when U wrote on ur site :

~You'll practice the "Code Of Ethics"
~And strive to "Better The Breed"

"...........If you truly love MY breed ""


very well said indeed....! Wink


Before I end here let me quote ADRK :
""The breeding of Rottweilers is and shall be the
breeding of working dogs""
~~~~~ from "The Rottweiler in Word & Picture",
as published by ADRK, 1926

and the ARV motto,
"Dedicated to Preserving the Total Rottweiler."
~~ maintaining both the conformation and the
working temperament of the Rottweiler


BTW good work on ur site & keep "working" ur Rott !......hope to see U on a ScH field someday....!!






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


qme465
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Nov 3, 2003, 11:31 PM


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Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

hi rottzilla,

Wat is ur site add?..i wanna check it out..
TQ.


rottzilla
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Nov 4, 2003, 12:13 AM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hello Pollux,
I was wondering how did you know my website ?
Ha ! Ha! WinkWink


Polluxx
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Nov 4, 2003, 4:46 AM


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Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Rottzilla,

Well U can say it is my "sixth sense"....been pretty accurate lately, wouldn't U say ! ! ha ha ha Tongue


Anyway...I was pretty surprised to see Meixner's dog here in M'sia. Rottweiler need more ppl like him, a great breeder who is able to breed not only structurally correct dog but most importantly good working dog as well.


So what's ur take on Guy's comment abt too many Yugos around, do U think we need to have some form of breeding guideline wt working trial here in M'sia to reduce the no. of rott millers & most importantly to produce healthy rottweiller of impeccable temperament & good stable nerve which is very much lacking over this part of the world....! Unsure

as mentioned by you ;
""......strives to breed a better next generation of Rottweilers with all the top bloodline in hand not only in the show ring, but also as a WORKING dog and above all, as a loved and trusted member of the family !""

Hope U can share ur vision & opinion on this board wt other fellow rotties on board..!! Cool






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


(This post was edited by Polluxx on Nov 4, 2003, 4:55 AM)


rottzilla
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Nov 4, 2003, 10:17 PM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hello Polluxx,

Definitely we need a breed survey to improve the breed standard in Malaysia !! But sometime it take two to make a quarrel , I think most of the Rottie breeders would not agree with us , especially those Ah Beng !!!UnsureUnsure ( you know what I mean ? )
In accordance with Guy's comment, If you flip through my dogs pedigree , you'll notice only 2 females are with some Yugos bloodlines !!

Ebby definitely is my favourite among all of my Rotts !! And Herr Meixner will send me another female pups in the begining of next year .SmileSmile
Did you ever own a Rottie ? It seems as you know a lot about Rotties !!
Feel free to email me or give me a ring since you know who am I !! Do you have any plan for a trip to KSZ 2004 ? Angelic


(This post was edited by rottzilla on Nov 4, 2003, 10:23 PM)


Polluxx
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Nov 4, 2003, 11:33 PM


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Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Rottzilla,

Well breed survey be a good idea....but breed survey alone without the main ingredient like a working trial such as ScH...will lose its meaning....rite ! Wink

But 1st thing 1st !... I dun thk the chapter is doing enuf.....other than organising 1 show this yr...! there is nothing which they have done to promote or more importantly to improve the breed standard especially in Temperament wise.. !...we need more but they are not delivering it !!....and for god sake....maybe its abt time they should bring some ADRK judge for a change.....somebody who will at least look out or able to read the dog's character & drv .....!!

Quote:

""And Herr Meixner will send me another female pups in the begining of next year .SmileSmile ''

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That's good news....maybe U can tell him more abt the situation in M'sia...

we need more robust working stock to improve the general temperament la!

Tell him we need more like "Ives Euspengiel" (sp??)....strong drv & hard .... he should know.....what I m talking abt......Tongue

Have U ever consider getting some stock from the current ADRK president kennel (V shambala)...esp from ambassador..from what I heard...he has good conformation but more importantly also very good working drv as well....he is in ur fav dog gallery if I not mistaken rite..!!Wink



Quote:

"''Did you ever own a Rottie ? It seems as you know a lot about Rotties !! ""

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I almost did....! Tongue...but I settle on a working GSD instead.....maybe if I have seen Meixner dog here earlier...I might have change my mind..!Cool



And abt Guy...I thk he made a fair comment..he is worried...it is not only here but even in the whole Europe icl Germany r being "invaded" by this Easter Bloc stocks (wt their Bear like head)...just look at the recent Klubsieger, I thk there is forign breeder than German one....... we must never forgot that rottweiler breeding is working dog breeding ...so temperament & willingness to work is very important....!!

BTW.....have u ever consider working ur dogs...esp "Ebby"...how is her temperament & working drv...! maybe U can chk out the "ScH & Protection thread"....there could be a few ppl near ur area who might just be interested in training together...! Who knows....just give it a shot..!



Quote:

""Do you have any plan for a trip to KSZ 2004 ? Angelic ""

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Hmmm...Yes I do have the intention to visit KSZ but for the moment I can't really afford it .....so maybe hopefully in the near future....but what I really like to see is DM !!Cool


Lastly.....my opinion abt the breed survey sytem, if no working trial involved...then it is not different from the beauty contest that we currently have now.....so even if we keep producing massive & Awesome head.....it will be empty just the same ! ! Unimpressed






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


robros
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Nov 6, 2003, 5:11 AM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Wow, you all sound so knowledgeable in Rottweilers. I have several books on the breed since getting my Rotties many moons ago but no way can I compare to you guys!!

I have met up with several rottie owners and even attended the puppy.com gatherings. The rottweilers I see there seems to look like dobermanns....skinny and small sized. My male rottweiler came from an english/aussie champion line and look very much like the photos in the breed books and yet, I often get comments like my dog is fat. He is approx 48-50kg. Very handsome disposition and hefty in the shoulder muscle areas but slim in the waist. I wonder, since so many rottweiler owners said I have a huge rottweiler ... could they be right?

What's the malaysian standard?


boon
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Nov 6, 2003, 5:45 PM


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Re: [robros] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

HI,

saw some info in other forum an average male rott will be aroung 95 to 105 and some can touch 120lb for a big one but not oversize. correct me if i'm wrong.

How old is ur rott ? 45 to 50kg seem ok for an adult rott.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


PSD
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Nov 6, 2003, 8:26 PM


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Re: [robros] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Robros,

I guess the weight is not important but the conditioning is. If your rott is well build and excercised often that is is carrying the muscle bulk instead of fats then it will look impressive. Otherwise it will look like an overfed bulldog Tongue Sorry just meant it as a joke hope I don't strike on any rottie people here.

You seam to have nice rott there.

PSD

Quote
"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


rottzilla
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Nov 6, 2003, 9:29 PM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hello Poluxx,
I apologized for my late reply !!
I 100% agreed your point of view like the working trail ,ADRK judges etc.....to ameliorate our breed standard . But all these things need $$$$$$$$$$$$$
and our chapter is not affordable at this moment .
The most troublesome problem is who will take the responsibility to convince those Ah Beng breeders UnsureUnsureUnsure who spend so much money to import those mediocre Rotties !! Just Imagine if all their dogs fail in the working trail and not applicable for breeding MadMad I've been proposed to them for many years,but I think is still impossible .
As I mentioned earlier,it takes two to make a quarrel,we need more people to support .
Concerning Ebby, she has extremly strong drive which is not suitable for most of the Rottie enthusiasts in Malaysia !! How many breeders know who is Ives Eulenspiegel , Benno Vom Allegaur Tor,Aki Von Der Peeler Hutte etc........ How many of them willing to spend so much time and effort to observe the working abilitiy ,temperament of their dogs ancestors from the ADRK Korung video tapes for years !! I dare to say more than 90% of them did not know and not willing to !!
I did bred Ebby once and she delivered 2 male pups . One of them having good life because his owner is an experience guy who involved in guard training for more than 20 years , but another poor brother was given away by his owner because the owner worried that this pup will jeopardize his family security Crazy!! Eventually This pups went to another trainer hand . The owners or the potential owner of Rottie in Malaysia still need to be educate .FrownFrownFrown
Ambassador is one of my favourites !! But I still have to observe for his progeny within 1-2 years,But I think he is one of the best Balou son SmileSmilein fact his owner Herr Rene Kulzer is a good friend of mine !! I will meet up with him in KSZ 2004 !!


(This post was edited by rottzilla on Nov 6, 2003, 10:05 PM)


PSD
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Nov 6, 2003, 10:53 PM


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Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel


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The most troublesome problem is who will take the responsibility to convince those Ah Beng breeders UnsureUnsureUnsure who spend so much money to import those mediocre Rotties !! Just Imagine if all their dogs fail in the working trail and not applicable for breeding MadMad I've been proposed to them for many years,but I think is still impossible .



We cannot ever hope to convince any ah beng in my personal thinking.......but we must make sure we ourself having the consiousness of the breed not to turn into those ah beng you mentioned.




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I did bred Ebby once and she delivered 2 male pups . One of them having good life because his owner is an experience guy who involved in guard training for more than 20 years , but another poor brother was given away by his owner because the owner worried that this pup will jeopardize his family security Crazy!! Eventually This pups went to another trainer hand . The owners or the potential owner of Rottie in Malaysia still need to be educate .FrownFrownFrown



Sadly to hear that, This is why always a breeder having such a serious genepool in hand don't just breed and sell the pups to any tom dick and harry. They will match them to the correct personality in such case, what happen to the 2nd pup will not happen. Worse that can happen is that the pup will get knocked and whacked from lack of understanding to become neurotic and therefore dangerous n unfair to their existence. I agree with you not everyone can handle a high drived dog. It happens all the time when the potential owner overate themself. The breeder in this case being more informed needs to mediate somehow.



I agree with you that the route to maintain the original breed is long and hard and needs a lot of $$$$$, Everyone seams to want to see how to get the $$$$$$$ but no one wants to fork it out rite?Tongue Well I'd say that this is a hobby and an interest. If we want to see the correct breed standards to be maintained then we have to search within ourselves first and grows it outwords. As the sayings goes "Ask not what others can do for us....Ask what we can do for others" Othwise nothing will happen if we do not move the pawn first in a chess game. I believe with your knowledge in the breed, if you find enough awakening, you will be able to succeed....even in Malaysia.Smile good luck

PSD

Quote
"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


Polluxx
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Nov 7, 2003, 6:31 AM


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Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Rottzilla,

Aiyo, No apologies needed la....! Wink


Quote:
"""But all these things need $$$$$$$$$$$$$
and our chapter is not affordable at this moment.
The most troublesome problem is who will take the responsibility to convince those Ah Beng breeders who spend so much money to import those mediocre Rotties !!"""
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Yes, but somebody has to start somewhere. I may be wrong here but from wht U have wrote, it seems that U are either in the chapt or very close to the member themselve. So I believed ur connection + with the set-up U already have, U r in a very good position to lead by example . . .PSD says it best when he says, "Ask not what others can do for us....Ask what we can do for others" .....or should I add....."What can we do for our breed".....slowly & surely ppl will come to recognise the effort U put in...! At least ppl who care abt our breeds will..! ....As for those Ah Beng....who gives a shit !...the next thing u know, 2-3 yrs down the road....they might have move on to the next "flavour of the month" alredi..!


Yes....the road will be hard & U might even be alienated.....but if U luv the breed, the effort made will defintely be worth it...!! Well at least on this board U know u r not alone...Wink


I m sorry to hear abt Ebby's pup though....I fully agree wt U on needing to further educate most M'sia rott owner , in fact not just rott but other working breed as well. . . that is why this breed survey + working trial thing is Important . . . to prevent more indiscriminate breeding ! (the thing is even some of the chapter member themselves...who will stud their import dog out to any bitches out there...as long as the $$$ is rite..! )

.....maybe as a responsible breeder.....u just have to be a bit more selective in placing ur pups ! (BTW IF u do have problem placing ur pups.....dun hesitate to inform me...I wouldn't mind babysitting them....Blush....in fact I'm sure a lot of us on board wouldn't mind either .....he he he ! Tongue )
....hmmm.....p/s: PSD, Boon, Azman, , ...u guys ready for some serious babysitting job..he he he ! ! LaughLaugh..)


Quote:
""Concerning Ebby, she has extremly strong drive which is not suitable for most of the Rottie enthusiasts in Malaysia !! ""
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I say dun worry abt that ! ... I m sure pups out of "her" when placed wt the rite owners who is willing to train, play & work with them will EXCEL over the rest ...! Cool



Quote :
""How many breeders know who is Ives Eulenspiegel , Benno Vom Allegaur Tor,Aki Von Der Peeler Hutte etc........ How many of them willing to spend so much time and effort to observe the working abilitiy ,temperament of their dogs ancestors from the ADRK Korung video tapes for years !! I dare to say more than 90% of them did not know and not willing to !!""
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I know its a bit sad....but this should not come as a surprise . . . .most of them are no different from the average "BYB"...they are in for the $$$ only !!.... But in anycase I do hope that none of the chapt members is like what U mentioned above ! That would be "sacrilege" !Shocked....


Quote:
""Ambassador is one of my favourites !! But I still have to observe for his progeny within 1-2 years,But I think he is one of the best Balou son in fact his owner Herr Rene Kulzer is a good friend of mine !! ""
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he he he...! Yup ...I thk he still has room for improvement.....once he fill up his size fully....that would be awesome..!! IMO he got his conformation from Balou but his working drv definitely from his dam , Cleo....a good looking Hammerbactal's working bitch...he he he ! Tongue

BTW it is good to hear that U are on such good terms with so many good breeders, (me very envy ! Sly)...hmmm maybe if U or others can bring in more of their stock there is Hope after all for our dear Rott in here !!

Good Luck Wink !






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


(This post was edited by Polluxx on Nov 7, 2003, 7:03 AM)


Polluxx
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Nov 7, 2003, 7:43 AM


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Re: [robros] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi robros,

Boon is rite la ! If ur dog is alredi an adult , dun worry la, his weight is still within range ! But if U r worry then put him on diet la, it is much better to keep him on the lower end of the scale ! Healthier as well ! Tongue

BTW Forget abt M'sia Standard ! Laugh , a well bred Rottweiler should be following ADRK standard , chk out their standard for size below...! Cool

Size and weight
Heigth at withers:
For males is : [ 61 - 68 cm ]
61 - 62 cm is small
63 - 64 cm is medium height
65 - 66 cm is large - correct height
67 - 68 cm is very large
Weight: approximately : 50 kg
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For bitches is : [56 - 63 cm]
56 - 57 cm is small
58 - 59 cm is medium height
60 - 61 cm is large - correct height
62 - 63 cm is very large
Weight: approximately 42 kg

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If ur dog's is the one shown on the ur avatar, I thk it looks ok..! How old is he BTW ? ?






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


RealityDreamer
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Nov 7, 2003, 8:03 AM


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Re: [ALL] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Good to know there are more working line dogs here in M'sia..Smile

before you guys( Sch enthusiasts & rottzilla) came, i thought the working dogs here were "doomed" so to speak. I couldn't even think abt Schutzhund...
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PSD
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Nov 7, 2003, 7:50 PM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel


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before you guys( Sch enthusiasts & rottzilla) came, i thought the working dogs here were "doomed" so to speak. I couldn't even think abt Schutzhund...


RD,

I often get personal mails from people asking me "is there such thing as a working line?" or "what is a working line" .......no need to talk about SchH lah I think even pronouncing it gives a lot of people the tongue tied in reef knot.....lolTongue

Anyway, good to see more participation here.

BTW, maybe you might be interested to b the 1st lady handler to SchH title a dog in Malaysia.....think about it...there is a will there is a way.Smile

PSD

Quote
"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


robros
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Nov 8, 2003, 12:09 AM


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Re: [PSD] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi...my boy is already 6 years old and my female is pushing 7half although she still thinks that she's one Sweet Young Thing!!

What is the average age for Rottweilers? My boy is very aloof and definitely and solely a mummy's boy whereas my girl is a GRO...anybody also good friend-lah. They are so different. He's an excellent guard dog and she's an excellent PR babe!!Smile


PSD
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Nov 8, 2003, 12:33 AM


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Re: [robros] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Robros,

Seams like your rotties are enjoying themselves very much thanks to youTongue

I can't really give you much comments about rotts as this is not really my normal cup of tea. I would have guessed that 10-11 yrs as a norm but I had also heard them goes up to 15 years if the diet and conditioning is good.

When you wrote he is an excellent guard dog what actually do you mean? Is he being trained to bite intruders? Otherwise I think you may have meant that he is an excellent "watch dog" instead. The difference is that a watch dog will bark, growl and snare and keep intruders away which is all a self defence and teritorial features if the intruder continues advancement and the threat of bodily harm then the dog may chose to back away and even take flight if the stress is over its natural threshold. A guard dog will just rush forward and take a bite if the intruder enters. Just to understand which do you mean Smile

PSD

Quote
"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


RealityDreamer
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Nov 8, 2003, 6:10 AM


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Re: [PSD] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

WinkWinkWinkWinki would love to...but now...lolLaugh...i hv 4 dogs..and dad says no more dogs...

and I'm not sure how good Tyson or Hazel's drives are..not sure if I can train them..

Hazel has a very poor prey drive though..Unsure

hehehe...but I am definitely interested.Cool
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chilimson
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Nov 8, 2003, 6:24 AM


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Re: [robros] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

I think the locals live longer than those that are imported, and am not sure about the reason why. I also find that the locals tends to be smaller on an average versus those imported ones, and again am not sure why. I imported several Rottweilers over the last 8 years, and asked the quarantine keeper, who happen to be a pet trader as well. He also breeds GSD, and he also agreed that locally bred dogs tends to be smaller. He does not think it is food because he had done all kind of experience, such as food, bone, etc.. He mentioned to me that he had one friend who bred some GSD and kept all the puppies in an air conditioned environment, and the puppies turn out to be bigger on an average. I am not a breeder so will be glad if someone could share some insights.

Actually, there are a lot of working lines still in Germany, besides Shambala kennel. There are classic Flugschneise, Herterner Wappen, Herrenholz, Schwaiger Wappen, etc.. My only advise is that you must be committed to train those dogs that are from strong working lines, and also you must be very responsible to ensure that they go to homes that know how to handle them. Otherwise, please do not breed them, as the Rottweiler will be extinct because of bad reputation and government legislation. If you spend time with those working lines dog, they are absolutely great companion!Sly


chilimson
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Nov 8, 2003, 6:30 AM


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Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Thanks. I actually seen him at his kennel about two years ago, and he is really an extremely strong and robust dog. Thought I could pop into Malaysia to take a look at him again. Too bad..he is in Germany. Apparently I read that his breedings do not have good hips, and that is why he was sold. I remembered an earlier breeding in one of the famous working Belgian breeder also produce some hip related kids that was sold to America. Herr Guenter has a few very great looking dog, such as Diva and Elcan. Any chance to share your website to see your Rottie?


rottzilla
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Nov 8, 2003, 9:06 PM


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Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hello Chilimson,
Some breeders told me the same thing ,Cliff doesn't produced good hips puppies !! But I personally don't like his headtype, I think is a bit too wet !! Frown
Regarding my website add,would you mind to give me your email address so that I could email you ? Wink
What do you think of Akino? Although he has produced some nice dogs such as Cujo,Diva,Gwen etc....?


(This post was edited by rottzilla on Nov 8, 2003, 9:09 PM)


Polluxx
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Nov 9, 2003, 4:31 AM


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Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Chilimson,

Was wondering where U have been since U started this thread !

Looks like other than yourself, we have another "rottie enthusiastic", rottzilla on board. Hope U dun mind me saying that...! ! Tongue.....

Quote:"in Germany, besides Shambala kennel. There are classic Flugschneise, Herterner Wappen, Herrenholz, Schwaiger Wappen,etc "

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.....oh yeah...! and also not forgetting Steinbrucke (sp..?), Teufelsbrucke (also excel in show !)...Hammerbachtal, Kaistenbruch..sp? (Aust)..etc !...Wink



Quote :- ""My only advise is that you must be committed to train those dogs that are from strong working lines, and also you must be very responsible to ensure that they go to homes that know how to handle them. Otherwise, please do not breed them,""

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Very well said, "responsiblity" is the key word here. Both for the breeders & the owners.

My point here is simple, rottweiler is a working breed, period. Therefore working lines or not, the main breeding goal is for stable nerves, even temperament & most of all good working drv, then only we look for other physical stuff.

As for owners, they & the future buyers are expected to know this, rotties r not a animal that r to be chained or caged continually, they r expected to be strong, aloof & sturbon ! ! but one thing they r definitely not expected to be is weak nerve, fear biter, or even too friendly wt strangers !!

I do not know whether U agree wt me on this, but what I do know is if all we the rott "admirer" continued to keep quiet and allowed the pressure on the commercial side of thing which caused breeder to go for the look(such as head size & oh yeah !...even rear angulation is being look at now ) & less sturbon stock instead of working drv & temperament, will in the long run caused the rott's genepool to be "soft" then the character that we so admire before will not longer be available to us, wouldn't it be too late by then . . . Shocked ! ! .....I understand u r no more actively involved with rott nowadays, but I thk Sgp does need somebody like U to keep the interest going ! Wink . . . .can't help noticing the no. is down lately in Sg ! ! Unimpressed



Quote:- "" as the Rottweiler will be extinct because of bad reputation and government legislation. ""

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Was wondering whether U have seen the latest commercial on air, "Manhattan Card"..Mad ' . . I think it leaves a very bad taste, not good for the reputation of "rottie".



Quote:- "you spend time with those working lines dog, they are absolutely great companion!Sly ""

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Couldn't agree with U more ! Cool...LaughLaugh






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chilimson
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Nov 9, 2003, 5:32 AM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Polluxx, I am so sorry, because I was on biz trip and did not respond earlier. I am really glad to see Rottzilla on board as well, and hope to see more great working Rottweilers type in this region. I agree with you on having the stable nerve and temperament, but I find that most people do not know how to handle the real working line. Therefore, I think it is extremely important for those breeder to choose the right puppy for the right owner, and the only way is to spend time understand their own breed and litter. Unfortunately, most backyard breeders are just interested in getting rid of their puppies and do not spend sufficient time to learn about their breed (if they are serious about starting a line) or that set of puppies. I do believe that there will always be a spread among the litter, and so it is also important for the breeder to help the owners choose the right puppy. Even if it means not selling an extremely sharp puppy and keeping until an appropriate owner shows up.

It is interesting for you to make reference to the Austrian kennel, because I really do not think any home should own such a line without a strong commitment to have them really really train professionally. Anyway, this is just my personal opinion because I am so afraid that the Rottweilers will end up being classified further like those stupid advertisements. I am not kidding because I own a Vico von Flugschneise daughter, and she is a Racker von Hertener Wappen's granddaughter. Absolutely strong character and extreme prey drive, and I had to spend so much time traing her at a very young age because she is really realy a character. I started some time to research her line, and I really could appreciate blood line and line breeding.

It is really difficult to have a perfect match of type and look, but I think it is possible and that is why there are so many breeders trying. Well, if I do retire and have more time, will probably try as well because I have some of the greatest bloodline from Germany as well. But do not spend time breeding them, as this is just my passionate interest and not money making machines.

I regretted that the Rottweiler breed is dying in Singapore because of poor imports and really very commercialize pet trade. Most of the puppies and imported from Australia or NZ because of exemption from quarantine. It is costly and also a nightmare for the puppies, and most pet shop bring the puppies without worrying about bloodline. Anyway, I will stop importing for a while because of the tail issue.

Will do my best to keep reading this forum.


Polluxx
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Nov 10, 2003, 5:49 AM


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Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi chilimson,

Well I thk its the board good fortune to have a rott "exp" like U around ...! he he he ! Wink...and of course....rottzilla too ...! Tongue


U r rite abt the "backyard breeder", this a problem when the demand for the breed is high ! Its is understandable when we cannot control the so called "Ah Beng" breeder or pup millers but it is another story when we talked abt a registered breeder who breeds indiscrimnately, which is avoidable in this case.

That is why I was disussing with Rottzilla that maybe by introducing breed survey we would be able to reduce this type of indiscrimanate breeding. Of course to qualify for breed survey the dog is expected to have at least a working title.

BTW talking abt breed survey, so will U be going to chk out this coming GSDC breed survey at the end of this month, I know its not ur breed but its the next best thing.....! Wink


Quote:- ""It is interesting for you to make reference to the Austrian kennel, because I really do not think any home should own such a line without a strong commitment. ""
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I thk as long the owner is committed to socialize/train/work the pup regularly...it shouldn't be much of a problem ! hey . . .I thk there should be quite a few on board who will relish this challenge ! !


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""Vico von Flugschneise daughter, and she is a Racker von Hertener Wappen's granddaughter""
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do u happened to mean Racker vd Flugschneise ! ? Crazy , I'm still new to rott so hope U dun mind..!! BTW and what happened Vico...err...at Krg 01' ? ?Blush


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""Most of the puppies and imported from Australia or NZ because of exemption from quarantine."'
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Yes....I did noticed it as well when I m over ! it seems tht most of pet shop owner are really proud that their are imported from Aust. Actually from what my fren told me it is mostly pup mills product ! ! Frown


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""....... because of the tail issue.""
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Well its a shame really ! now more rotts of good character & temperament will be further removed from the genepool.Mad.......I thk this time the german really out-done themselves ! ! Shocked


Anyway...hope to see both U & Rottzilla keep the thread alive here !Wink

Good Luck ! Cool






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


(This post was edited by Polluxx on Nov 10, 2003, 5:53 AM)


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 11, 2003, 12:46 AM


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Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Rottzilla:
I'm interested with your website since polluxx said that it is one of the best site. Can u give me your URL?My email is booker_sim@hotmail.com. Thanks!Wink


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 11, 2003, 1:27 AM


Views: 1927
Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel


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My point here is simple, rottweiler is a working breed, period. Therefore working lines or not, the main breeding goal is for stable nerves, even temperament & most of all good working drv, then only we look for other physical stuff.

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Hi Polluxx. I'm a new Rott owner and I found that you,Chilimson and Rottzilla really give a newbie like me a good lesson to learn from.Well, I'm not so dare to give my comments in front of all expert like u all but here I've got one question.Wink
Ppl always emphasize on working line of Rottweiler but how can us, Malaysian being told that our Rott is from a working line especially if our rott is local breed? I think the most important thing that make the confusion of the Rottweiler Blood Line in our country is lack of standard regulation to control.Therefore,everybody can just easily import a Rott from any country with or without any working line.So,my opinion is,it is very difficult to tell the owner from stop getting any rottie without a working line but to set up a regulation by the association to really look into the working line for this breed if we want to inherit the wonderful nature of Rottweiler which I think we should.


Polluxx
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Nov 11, 2003, 5:08 AM


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Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

Glad that U can join us here, btw like U ...I m also a newbie la..! Wink


From ur post, I believe U know what U r looking for but dun seems to be able to find here ! I believe when we talk abt working line, we are talking abt breeding goal towards preserving/enhacing the working performance & temperament of the breed. So IMO, all I can say is that most of the rott bred here in M'sia is out of show/pet quality, even though they might have good working ancestor 3-4 generation back. Unsure


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""think the most important thing that make the confusion of the Rottweiler Blood Line in our country is lack of standard regulation to control. ""
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Precisely, we need a system that can control the quality of rott being bred in this country.


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""Therefore,everybody can just easily import a Rott from any country with or without any working line""
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Do u mean working "title", well I think in this case we will just have to leave it to the individual preferance, rite ? But as for breeding, like I mentioned above, a BST which required working title as a pre-requisitive is a must ! Wink


Quote:
""So,my opinion is,it is very difficult to tell the owner from stop getting any rottie without a working line but to set up a regulation by the association to really look into the working line for this breed if we want to inherit the wonderful nature of Rottweiler which I think we should.""
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Yes....I'm glad there is one more person who share this tot ! ! Wink.....Smile










2ndly, I think we as a buyer should do our part/homeworks like reading up on the breed history & standard and even do some research on some of the main bloodline thru the net or by talking to the breeders !






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chilimson
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Nov 11, 2003, 5:33 AM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Polluxx,

Thanks for the correction, it is Racker vd Flugschneise. He is out of Carlo and Lady, and was sold "accidentally" to the US because the German owner had some family problem. The Germans breeders, I heard, missed him a lot. He is sort of retired now I think from being a used as a stud, however, you can get his frozen semen for AI.

Vico attacked the judge during the Korung, as he was trying to measure his chest size. I heard that it is probably the handler mistake as well, because he had been working the dog earlier, prior to the Korung. Someone was speculating that he was not settled yet before being tested for Korung, and so the judge got "scared"Wink and Vico got dis'qd for life Pirate. Anyway, I think they all have the same aloofness, and you would have called it the Rottweiler type. Balou von Silberblick also has this problem, and people think that it must be Jackomo (Noris son). Well, there is so many Balou kids and they all have georgeous head type, and I think you are a fan of Ambassodor!Tongue

To be frank, I have had seen pretty hard Rottweilers, and honestly do not think they are suitable for too many homes. I know some Rottweiler lovers will think that I am "chicken-hearted" Laugh, but I really do not recommend them for their sake. Less they will soon be joining the dinosaurs! Mad Just look at the stupid advertisements, and what do you think your neighbours will think now?

Well, if I do find sufficient interest in strong working line, then I may consider breeding Vico's daughter. She is so determine and strong, and one of my all time favourite.


chilimson
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Nov 11, 2003, 5:42 AM


Views: 1919
Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Polluxx,

I posted this in the breeding and whelping section. Please let me know what do you think?

{I do not think that eating one own weaklings or dead puppy has anything to do with bad temperament, and I will not advise of spaying or not breeding until you have really determine that the line is genetically faulty. Please remember that dogs are like domesticated "wolf" and you must think about their DNA from the past, that is before we humans own them. Believe me, they know what they are doing, even though we do not understand. I have read some of the comments and I do agree that somehow the mum do know whether the puppies will make it or not and will figure it out. There are many reasons concerning neo natal care or why puppies die and will not dwell in that subject. Please do not conclude that the bitch or dog is the problem because of this incident.

Coming back to why the bitch ate the puppy, and I do not think it is cannibalism. Some bitches are extremely protective of their young, and will "consume" them to protect them if she thinks that they will be "hurt". Thus the weaker or more nervous bitch will do that and the "bad" or stronger temperament will actually growl and protect the puppies more if they felt threaten.

I am of the opinion that the bitch consume the dead puppy because she really wanted to protect the rest of the puppies. Imagine if the puppies are borned in the wild, without human protection. First the bitch will find a special spot and dig a nest, just watch a bitch before she whelped. She will find a spot that is secluded and dig a hole so that the puppies will not wriggle out of the nest accidentally. Remember that animal in the wild are canivorous, and thus a "dead" puppy will send out sufficient scent to alert other animals in the wild that there is "food". Imagine what will a wolf, a leopard, a baboon, a vulture, etc..do when the discover the nest of one dead puppy and a few live puppies. I think that is the end of all the puppies!Wink Well...hopefully some of you will believe this story.}

Thanks for your thots!Tongue


Polluxx
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Nov 11, 2003, 3:42 PM


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Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi chilimson,


Quote:-
""Someone was speculating that he was not settled yet before being tested for Korung''
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I may be wrong here but I tot the courage test is normally done after the physical evaluation ? Unsure Anyway, its such a shame really ! Pirate , where is he now BTW ? ?



As for ur post abt bitch cannibalism of their dead pup, well I've not done any breeding so I'm not too sure what I thk of it. But if the pup is very weak (almost dying)) or dead, than I'm of the opinion that the bitch do it for the greater chance of survival for the rest of the pup , i.e she will get more nourishment from the pup she consumed and will be able to feed
the remaining litter better. 2ndly the remaining litter will will have less competion for the milks & also greater chance of survival ! Wink so its not such a bad thing after all ! ! Cool


Maybe others on board who has experience can share their tot on what they think of this ! ! Wink






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(This post was edited by Polluxx on Nov 11, 2003, 3:45 PM)


rottzilla
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Nov 11, 2003, 7:32 PM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hello Poluxx,

We had a meeting with the CM of MKA on last Sunday which confirmed our 4th Rottweiler Speciality show will be held on December,Ipoh !!


rottzilla
Novice

Nov 11, 2003, 7:42 PM


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Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Chilimson,

Do you Know Mr Ang Ngoh Eng of your country who is quite actively involevd in the dog show in 90's ?
Is he still active in the show ? I used to co-owned a dog name Bomber Vom Aggetal (Son of Axel Aus Der Hege ) from him .Do you know anything about Bomber while he was in Singapore ?


Polluxx
Enthusiast


Nov 12, 2003, 3:43 AM


Views: 1890
Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi rottzilla,

So where have U been for the last few days ? Wink


Quote:-
""which confirmed our 4th Rottweiler Speciality show will be held on December,Ipoh"'
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Will it be ADRK judge this time ..? Wink


Anywhere, when is the actual date ? maybe U can post the actual date & the venue for the show in the the "Show & Championship" section . Tongue






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


chilimson
Member

Nov 12, 2003, 6:13 AM


Views: 1886
Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Rottzilla,

I have bought a dog from him a puppy before I started to learn anything about bloodline and pedigree. He old me a dog that grew "beard" over the chin, and long hair grow underneath all his four feet. At that time, I did not understand that the dam who is a long coat would produce similar genetic coat problem. The stud is his own dog from Belgium, and I foget his name now. He had not been showing Rottweilers for more than6 years already, and there are so many rumours that I do not think it is appropriate to write here as I am not sure about the real story.

Sorry, I cannot answer your question as I think he is not active in SKC as well.


rottzilla
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Nov 12, 2003, 7:28 PM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

 


rottzilla
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Nov 12, 2003, 7:47 PM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hello Poluxx,

I went to the north visited a few 'kaki' and having discussion about the coming speciality show !! Wink
Shameful to say,we don't have the supremacy to choose a judge !!MadMad It's all up to MKA to decide.Most probably is from Australia again.Unsure But I will propose the ADRK judges to them again for the speciality show for next year .
The actual date will be on 21th Dec 2003 and will be held at the Polo Club,Ipoh. I think is the best venue compared with the previous speciality show !!Sly


rottzilla
Novice

Nov 12, 2003, 8:05 PM


Views: 1877
Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Chilimson,

Sorry for your grieved experience !!Frown


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 12, 2003, 8:16 PM


Views: 1877
Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi polluxx, I know u r not a newbie ok since u have many years experience in GSD.I admit that I'm too rush to get my first puppy before I collect sufficient info on this breed but I believe ppl learn from mistake rite, and I promise myself that the next puppy that I'm going to get must be the standard breed.By than,I'll surely get the advice from you,Chilimson and Rottzilla.
By the way, if I'm not mistaken,I think you are from Northern rite?Which part of northern?I'm from Butterworth so may visit your dog if u allows to.You can send me ur address to my personal email booker_sim@hotmail.com if you don't want to post your personal particular on the forum.


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 12, 2003, 9:48 PM


Views: 1871
Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Rottzilla,so happy to hear that there will be another rott show in Dec.Will try to spare my time for this round. So, are you going to show your dog for this time?
By the way,what is your home page address?Really wish to have a look on your rottie.If you don't mind will be appreciated if you can email it to my personal email at booker_sim@hotmail.com.Thx


rottzilla
Novice

Nov 12, 2003, 10:48 PM


Views: 1868
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hello Booker,

I've just email my web address to you !! Please check your mail box !!


Polluxx
Enthusiast


Nov 12, 2003, 11:13 PM


Views: 1863
Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi rottzilla,

Thanx for the info.

Quote :- ""we don't have the supremacy to choose a judge !!MadMad It's all up to MKA to decide.Most probably is from Australia again.""

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Darn....! so we can have SV judge here but not ADRK... one..! ! What kind bloody policy is that...! ! Mad even though I'm not into show...but I can feel the frustration ! !

Hopefully they will change their mind in the future for the good of the breed...!! Pirate

BTW . . .did U proposed having a BST (+ working trial)....? ? any luck ? Shocked






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 12, 2003, 11:15 PM


Views: 1862
Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Thanks Rottzilla,I've viewed your site.Wow.....u really got most of the nice champion blood line.I like Amstel very much......such a beutiful "Lady"!!Wink


Polluxx
Enthusiast


Nov 12, 2003, 11:34 PM


Views: 1859
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

I thk U mistaken me wt someone else....la LOL Laugh Laugh , I'm from Jhr and my interest wt GSD & Rott started only in the recent yrs !! Wink

BTW I dun thk U made any mistake la !. . . maybe U should say U got carried way in your desire to own a rott. Well since U alredi got one...enjoy & learn from it , just like wht I m doing wt my GSD ! Cool

Maybe in the future, if u do decided to get one more...U can always chk wt chilimson, rotzilla & others on board. Of course I will do what I can to assist as well ! Tongue

BTW...hope u dun mind me asking this question, well since U r into rott....R u interested wt working trial kinda of stuff ? Blush






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 12, 2003, 11:56 PM


Views: 1857
Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hahaha......I'm so careless Polluxx, I thought I seen you telling some other member that u r from Northern...soli soli....


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Maybe in the future, if u do decided to get one more...U can always chk wt chilimson, rotzilla & others on board. Of course I will do what I can to assist as well ! Tongue


Yeah......I learn a lot of thing from Chilimson and he is so kind to teach me. Really appreciate that very much!!


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BTW...hope u dun mind me asking this question, well since U r into rott....R u interested wt working trial kinda of stuff ? Blush



Not quite understand what do u mean by Working Trial since I'm such a newbieTongue
Let me try to answer ur question. I think at this moment I'm not really suitable to work my rottie since there is lack of compound near my house.Besides,I don't have any experience in working a rottie.However,this will be my another mission to work my rottie.


rottzilla
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Nov 13, 2003, 2:13 AM


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Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hello Booker,

Thanks for your compliments !!

In Reply To
I admit that I'm too rush to get my first puppy before I collect sufficient info on this breed but I believe ppl learn from mistake rite, and I promise myself that the next puppy that I'm going to get must be the standard breed.



A world renowed Rottweiler judge Mr Josef Hedl had a famous remark , he said....Always find something good about your dog,all dogs have problems,some a little more than others,but there are always something good to find in a dogs !! And you must always live with the good feeling about your dog.Unimpressed

Don't be so dejected about your first Rott !! As long as the pup has good temperament,then will be good enough !!


rottzilla
Novice

Nov 13, 2003, 2:40 AM


Views: 1847
Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hello Poluxx,

I did proposed to them with the Swedish Dog Mentality Assessment ( DMA ),and I've made a copy of VCD for them, I hope they will really consider this time !!Wink About the bite work for the working trial, I think this is not the right time to proceed, we have to proceed it gradually because our beloved breed still give many ppl very bad impressions,Unsureyou get what I mean ? Are you planning to take a view for the coming speciality show ?


chilimson
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Nov 13, 2003, 4:14 AM


Views: 1843
Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Rottzilla,

I agree with you about looking at the positive side of every dog we own. Actually, I have kept every dog or puppy that I purchased, even though they did not turn out to be the ideal dog. Every dog has its own beauty and so I encourage everyone to learn. I have spent a lot of money and time to learn about the breed as well as the breeders. I am glad that there are really serious Rottweiler owners at this forum, and I hope they will help to preserve the Rottweiler in Malaysia.

By the way, the puppy I bought from Ang actually died of heartworm, and so I have now been feeding my dogs monthly "Heartgard-plus".


Polluxx
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Nov 13, 2003, 4:15 AM


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Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Rottzilla,

Quote:
""we have to proceed it gradually because our beloved breed still give many ppl very bad impressions""
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Well lets just say I understand the chapter's concern, but in DMA other than the gunshot I dun thk it will be sufficient enuf to weed out the weaker nerve one....of course they do have the "ghost" to scare off the weaker one...LOL LaughLaugh..! !

The way I see it, only the sociability of the dog is tested,...., what abt stable nerve & working drive ? ?Shocked

Actually I was hoping at least for Ztp/Korung or even Swiss' Wesens-Test type for a start, then followed by a working trial ! ! Unsure


BTW I hope U dun misunderstand my intention, I would really like to commend U for your efforts in trying to persuade ur "kaki" to introduce BST here..!! Wink...all I m hoping for really is for a more substantial test .....! Blush


Anyway I hope they will take up ur suggestion for start & for our breed sake hopefully things will further improve for the better in future...! Unimpressed


As for going to the show....I dun think so la ! , err...Ipoh is a bit far la...! ! Tongue






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


(This post was edited by Polluxx on Nov 13, 2003, 4:43 AM)


chilimson
Member

Nov 13, 2003, 4:16 AM


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Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

I cannot receive you email from Yahoo, could you please resend to my hotmail account.


Polluxx
Enthusiast


Nov 13, 2003, 4:37 AM


Views: 3260
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

Quote:-
""I thought I seen you telling some other member that u r from Northern...soli soli....""
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Dun worry too much abt it....la ! Tongue


Quote:-
""Yeah......I learn a lot of thing from Chilimson and he is so kind to teach me. !!""
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Yup !...when it comes to rott, this guy is walking "dictionary" ...or should I say virtual...he he he . . Tongue ! !


Quote:-
""Besides,I don't have any experience in working a rottie.However,this will be my another mission to work my rottie."'
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Neither do I...! well to put it simply working trial such Schutzhund, IPO & RingSports is a dogsport that test the dog's abilty to work. So if U r interested, there's quite a no. ScH training site on the net that U can chk out ! ! and meanwhile U can start by checking out this forum's ScH section !..Wink






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 13, 2003, 4:45 PM


Views: 3250
Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Morning Chilimson,no prob.........will send it again to your hotmail account.


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 13, 2003, 5:21 PM


Views: 3248
Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel


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A world renowed Rottweiler judge Mr Josef Hedl had a famous remark , he said....Always find something good about your dog,all dogs have problems,some a little more than others,but there are always something good to find in a dogs !! And you must always live with the good feeling about your dog.


Rottzilla, this is really a wonderful courage early in the morning. Thank you so much. U make me alive...Cool


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Don't be so dejected about your first Rott !! As long as the pup has good temperament,then will be good enough !!


In fact,I try my best to teach and protect my rottie becos she is my family and I really agree with you that the temperament is really a big issue but I believe I would be able to teach my rottie to be a CGC(Canine Good Citizen)!

By the way Rottzilla,did u receive my email?


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 13, 2003, 5:33 PM


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to put it simply working trial such Schutzhund, IPO & RingSports is a dogsport that test the dog's abilty to work. So if U r interested, there's quite a no. ScH training site on the net that U can chk out ! ! and meanwhile U can start by checking out this forum's ScH section !


Polluxx,the prob is,there is no place for us in Malaysia to train our Rottie for working trial.May be there are some in Johor? Even if we do training our dog in working trial,can we get the certification in Malaysia? Or should we send our dog to other country just to get the certificate?I think rottzilla is right,our country still need to put some efford on this working trial.


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 13, 2003, 5:41 PM


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Re: [rottzilla] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Rottzilla, what is the requirement for a Rott to take part in the show? My rott is just 4 months old.Can she be registered? I understand that there is a category which is for puppies from 3-6 months and it is free style rite? Well, I'm still not a MKA member,thot of joining only on next year. For time being may just ask the breeder that I bought my rottie from to register for me first if I really want to join the December show.
I always believe that it is a good thing to get yourself involve in the dog show rather than just go there and watch. Sigh.......the thing is,should I show my ugly dog ?Unsure


Polluxx
Enthusiast


Nov 14, 2003, 5:30 AM


Views: 3236
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

Yes , I do agree that more efforts needs to be put into promoting working trial in our country . . ! Unimpressed


Quote:-
""Even if we do training our dog in working trial,can we get the certification in Malaysia? Or should we send our dog to other country just to get the certificate?""
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For now I guess there is now way we can get our dog titled over here...! Unsure . . . but who knows...maybe in the future if there is enuf ppl who r interested wt working trial over here then we might just be able to do so ! ....so let's keep our fingers crossed ! Wink


The way I see it, getting ur dog titled is not the most important thing here . . . .but building a strong bond wt ur dog while enjoying the training is ! Tongue






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


chilimson
Member

Nov 14, 2003, 5:54 AM


Views: 3235
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

Have send you the URL of 4 websites and I am sure you can browse through all the information for months!Laugh Remember to read my email about not getting into trouble!Tongue Need to be a little more patient, because it is always more difficult to do a correction, than spending time learning and training the dog to do the right thing.

Rgds


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 14, 2003, 5:29 PM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Morning Polluxe Blush
I've gone through the thread for Schutzhund and found that some of you really passionate enuf to work for your dog.I think this is the good beginning towards the working titile in Malaysia. Well done.By the way,did you get your glove yet from Sherman?Let me know if you are coming down to KL.


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 14, 2003, 5:38 PM


Views: 3230
Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Good morning Chilimson:

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Have send you the URL of 4 websites and I am sure you can browse through all the information for months!

Yeah.....thats really a lot to me.Thank you so much....I think I may just spend my weekend in the office since I do not have Internet access at home...Unsure

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Remember to read my email about not getting into trouble!

Yeah.....I know what you mean. The thing is,it just can't resist it sometimes.......Cool but I'll try to control myself for not doing any mistake.Thanks for the advice yeah!!


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Need to be a little more patient, because it is always more difficult to do a correction, than spending time learning and training the dog to do the right thing.

I Think this is true.Most of the time the dog can be very obidience but once in a while they may tend to be very stubborn.Crazy but I think they try hard too to understand us, human as well.


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 14, 2003, 6:07 PM


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Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

Sorrylah, still in England. Postpone my flight 2 days. Will arrive only on Monday. Try to bring some interesting tapes back to share with u guys. But for everyone's info in big dogs, train dogs for attacking job is like a loaded gun. If u r not properly guided by a trained Instructor, u r playing with a loaded gun! Someone might get hurt or even kill!


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 14, 2003, 6:24 PM


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Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Sherman, so shocked when received your post but really happy to hear from you.By the way,are you studying or working in UK?Which part of Malaysia that u r living?Was wondering why there aren't any VCD for the dog training since for me Video Tape is a bit outdated. Don't you think so?


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 14, 2003, 7:22 PM


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Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

I'm here 4 holiday. Time here now is 3.15am. I'm from KL. For the training tape's here r expensive(20 - 40) n most of it u can't duplicate by people like us. D last time I dupe back home, it cost me RM300 ++ per tape. U can borrow tapes from MKA but I think it's abit old but not out dated. For ur info, obedience till today for d forces or police still using some basic method u might c on tapes. Will keep in touch with u guys when I'm back. Cheers mate!


Polluxx
Enthusiast


Nov 14, 2003, 9:06 PM


Views: 3216
Re: [Booker. Sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Guys,

BTW Booker, Me...passionate !....not even close, there r some on board who r more "die-hard" than me ..la...he he he ...! Tongue Anyway...since U r in KL maybe U try to meet up wt some of the KL "kakis" like prodog, Azman, kaerb ...!! Wink



Sherman, u r rite abt the "loaded gun" theory ! I thk for newbie like myself.... , we certainly need good instructors before proceeding to "protection training" esp when we want to bring out the def drv of the dog. BTW Sherman R u into protection training wt ur k9 full-time . . . ? ? Blush






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 15, 2003, 7:55 AM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Guy,

For me, I'm not fully on dogs nor in K9 training. I'v been with these people (friends) who r into that. I'll try to help u guys out only. Right now busy taping some tapes 2 bring back 2 share with u'll. Looking forward 4 the day when u guys can set up our very own schH club.


chilimson
Member

Nov 15, 2003, 8:41 AM


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Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Sherman,

I tried looking for a tape by a lady trainer called Mary Ann ??, had seen one of her tape that I had borrowed and think it is pretty good. However, I was told that one could only get it from Manchester. I drove there during one of my trip, but did not find it in the city centre. Do you have some titles that you are looking at now?

I am just looking at US tapes now under the Leeburg URL, a little expensive but have not view them because I am too busy.

By the way, I agree with you about the loaded gun perspective. I had a friend who knew I am crazy about Rottweilers, and recommend to me one of his family friend who had a trained dog for manwork. It is the same as protection, but called differently I think. The Rottweiler is from Australia, specially imported because the owner is also a crazy fan of Rottweiler. Unfortunately, their business is failing and they needed to sell their bungalow, and so had to give up their dog.

It was an extremely nice Rottweiler and I really would like to own the dog because of his size and headpiece. But he is so fierce that I don't think I ever would have a chance at all to retrain him. I finally extracted from the owner's sister that he actually went after the new domestic servant and she fell straight on the floor. The dog held her down for more that half and hour till the owner return. He will not move despite being "punished" by other members of the family.SlySly It sure scare the hell out of the servant, but she could start feeding her after many months.

I tried to go near him and later I found that there is really zero chance, and I gave up because I think he will definitely fight with my other male. It is a shame to give him up because I really think he is an outstanding dog.


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 15, 2003, 8:56 AM


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Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Chilimson,

Manchester from here will take me almost 4 hours. My friend here have alot of tapes but his not around right now, will ask him when his back. For d loaded gun theory, it's just from my point of view. So many things to take back. Don't know kena excess luggage or not?


Polluxx
Enthusiast


Nov 15, 2003, 4:31 PM


Views: 3195
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi sherman,

I m definitely looking forward of meeting u & watching ur tapes, btw appreciate ur effort in bringing back those tapes back to share wt us all back here ! ! Wink


As for ScH club, maybe when U r back, hopefully u and the rest of KL 'kakis' can get something going lo ! Tongue






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 16, 2003, 5:43 AM


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Re: [Polluxx] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Polluxx,

Sure do! Looking forward meeting up with u guys. For the start, I'll borrow d tapes to anyone who like to view it.


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 16, 2003, 6:20 PM


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Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Chilimson,

I don't have Marry Ann but Marry Ray's from Puppy to Novice n From Novice to Crufts obedience tape.


chilimson
Member

Nov 17, 2003, 5:23 AM


Views: 3179
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Sherman.

Guess that is the right person. I view an old tape quite a while back, something like "Mary's way" or something. I was looking for whether she has more tape than that and any catologue. It will be great somehow to try and get more information from you regarding those tapes. Thks.


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 17, 2003, 7:55 AM


Views: 3178
Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hello Chilimson,

D Mary Ray's tape will on flight 2night. Hopefully d customs back in KL won't give me much problem. So, keep ur finger cross ya! Will keep in touch with u guys when back.


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 18, 2003, 1:00 AM


Views: 3165
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Sherman,which part of Malaysia that u are from?I hope you are staying somewhere in KL so that I can borrow the tape from you.Really looking forward to meet you up!


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 18, 2003, 10:15 PM


Views: 3155
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

I'm from KL. The tapes r with me. So guys, contact me at 016-2626828 for free renting.


boon
Doggyman


Nov 19, 2003, 12:34 AM


Views: 3149
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Sherman,

anyting in VCD, DVD format ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 19, 2003, 1:05 AM


Views: 2255
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Sherman, thank you so much for your offer.TongueWill definately get the tape from u later.By the way,are you back in town yet?


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 19, 2003, 5:09 PM


Views: 2249
Re: [boon] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

hi boon,

Sorry bro, all in VHS tape.


boon
Doggyman


Nov 19, 2003, 5:36 PM


Views: 2248
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Sherman,

opppppppsssss, no problem. Wink

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 19, 2003, 5:38 PM


Views: 2247
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

Already backlah!


PSD
ALPHA


Nov 19, 2003, 7:27 PM


Views: 2243
Re: [boon] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Boon,

Get one player loh. BTW funny thing is DVD player is so much cheaper than a VHS player nowadays.....Frown

PSD

Quote
"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


boon
Doggyman


Nov 19, 2003, 7:29 PM


Views: 2242
Re: [PSD] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi PSD,

aiyah i got VHS player at home, but i think at least 2 or 3 years no one go and touch or bother to power on that box. hehehehhe.....now collecting dust......

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


PSD
ALPHA


Nov 19, 2003, 7:33 PM


Views: 2241
Re: [boon] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Boon better overhaul and clean your antique sets before using, Otherwise the poor tape sure kaput one....kekekeke.

PSD

Quote
"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 19, 2003, 7:40 PM


Views: 2240
Re: [boon] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Guys,

Talking about VHS player, u guys remind me of my player in d store room with a tape stuck in it. Good subjet ya?


boon
Doggyman


Nov 19, 2003, 7:42 PM


Views: 2239
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Sherman,

how many of those valuable tapes u brought back ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 19, 2003, 7:46 PM


Views: 2238
Re: [boon] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

hi boon,

I think 5 - 6 tapes. Anyone out there can help to copy? Each tape is around 3 hours.


chilimson
Member

Nov 20, 2003, 5:02 AM


Views: 2229
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Sherman, any chance that I could borrow as I am from Singapore? If possible, then please email me at chlimson@hotmail.com and we could settle the details.


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 28, 2003, 12:38 AM


Views: 2206
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Sherman:
Do u think it is possible to copy these tapes to VCD since I do not have any player for that ler....Frown


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 28, 2003, 12:40 AM


Views: 2205
Re: [chilimson] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Chilimson:
I've replied your mail to ur hotmail.Sorry to tell u that I only received 1 mail from you which was regarding Eaton.


chilimson
Member

Nov 28, 2003, 5:26 AM


Views: 2198
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

OK. Got your mail, just return from Png. Please do not worry about your puppy, it is just that she will be in the ugly stage and growing disproportionately.


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 28, 2003, 5:37 PM


Views: 2192
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Booker,

Trying to find one. As soon it's done, I'll let u know but if u know where 2 do it let me know.


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 28, 2003, 5:44 PM


Views: 2190
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Morning Sherman:
I know someone from my hometown(Butterworth) who can copy Video Tape to CD but I just came back from holiday......will only go back again during Chinese New Year.Anyway,it will be better if u can find it since I'm worry that I may accidentally damage ur tape.....Tongue


Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 28, 2003, 5:45 PM


Views: 2189
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

By the way Sherman, can I email to your personal email? What is your personal email address?


sherman
Dog Kichi

Nov 28, 2003, 6:24 PM


Views: 2185
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Morning Booker,

Can email me at chrishir On d tapes I'll be going to Penang next week. If I can't do it here, then i need ur help.


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Nov 28, 2003, 7:40 PM


Views: 2180
Re: [sherman,booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

hello, Smile

Could u guys do a copy for me too? I'm also on the look out for ppl who can change the format to VCD..but I hv no idea where to do it..

Don't mind waiting.
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Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 28, 2003, 11:07 PM


Views: 2174
Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi RD:
"HEARD" your name long time ago but never take the initiative to talk to u.Nice meeting u and just to let u know that I'll wait for Sherman's order whether he wants me to do for him or he will do it by himself!!


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Nov 29, 2003, 8:36 AM


Views: 2167
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Smilehello,

Nice to "meet" you to. Btw,where are you from? KL right? wanna meet up?

Anyway, really nice to "meet" a newbie too. Glad I'm not alone.
,-._,-.
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Booker
Dog Kichi


Nov 30, 2003, 7:18 PM


Views: 2158
Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi RD:
Morning.Yeah......I stay in Setapak and I definately wish to join u all. Where did you all normally meet up?Still not so familiar with KL,especially PJ but will try to meet u all up. By the way,who is your kaki? ?PSD?


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Dec 1, 2003, 4:09 AM


Views: 2155
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hmm...so far, with Kaerb,Prodog and Azman,sslee80,pau-lynn and hunter (non-working kaki). Planning to meet the others soon, u too. Smile The others, just chat..

so far no normal meet up places but i think Azman's place might be a regular soon. Planning some sessions after the equipment is set up.
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(This post was edited by RealityDreamer on Dec 1, 2003, 4:19 AM)


Booker
Dog Kichi


Dec 1, 2003, 4:49 PM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Morning RD:
Great!! Just keep me informed when you all have decide on the next meet up.By the way,what do u mean by non-working Kaki? U still studying or on your retirement?Haha...That is the best part for net chating......u don't know the person even you have been friend with him/her for years till u meet up and find that he/she is just a little kid!! UnsureHaha.....


Booker
Dog Kichi


Dec 1, 2003, 6:41 PM


Views: 2146
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel


Quote
Can email me at chrishir

Sherman, is the email that u gave me still valid?Tried to email u but bounced back.


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On d tapes I'll be going to Penang next week. If I can't do it here, then i need ur help.



Any news on the tapes?


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Dec 1, 2003, 8:19 PM


Views: 2063
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

non-working meaning not interested or less interested in the real working line dogs Wink

I'm still studyingCool

how bout u?
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Booker
Dog Kichi


Dec 1, 2003, 10:00 PM


Views: 2059
Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi RD,Me working liao lahCrazy......haha.....By the way,from the way u posted in some thread it seems like u are so expert in working the dog.....strange to hear that u is less interested in the real working line dogs ler......


sherman
Dog Kichi

Dec 2, 2003, 2:49 AM


Views: 2054
Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi RD,

D tapes now on d process of duplicating 2 VCD. Once it's done I'll lewt u know.


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Dec 2, 2003, 4:16 AM


Views: 2050
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

"strange to hear that u is less interested in the real working line dogs ler"

think there's a misunderstanding...

if u read your previous post, asked me, "what do you mean by non-working kaki" so i answered those who are less/not interested in the working line dogs. I never said i was less interestedWink I am in fact more interested in the working line dogs.

and I'm no expert...Tongue not even close. Just an average dog lover who's learning along the way.Smile
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RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Dec 2, 2003, 5:50 AM


Views: 2049
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

HiSmile

Do e-mail me the cost of everything at reality_dreamer69@hotmail.com or reality69dreamer@hotmail.com

Thanks
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Booker
Dog Kichi


Dec 2, 2003, 6:28 PM


Views: 2041
Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

OK RD, I think I'm confused.Anyway,me too, wish to work my dog if possible.So,when is the next meet up for your kaki?Did u all bring along ur lovely dog during the meetup? I wish u will since I may want to socialise my lonely rottie with some other dogs.Tongue


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Dec 2, 2003, 7:11 PM


Views: 2039
Re: [Booker] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi,Smile

Think we better stop "chatting" we're way off topic. lol

What's your e-mail? We'll communicate through that.

You can refer to the previous post for mine.

Keep in touch.Cool
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Booker
Dog Kichi


Dec 3, 2003, 12:12 AM


Views: 2032
Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Dear RD,u r rite,my email is booker_sim@hotmail.com.Apologies to all the members.....soli soli.....Tongue


sherman
Dog Kichi

Dec 3, 2003, 11:13 PM


Views: 2022
Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

HiCool,

As I mention earlier, I'll kick of with my contribution 4 this working dog kakis FOC mah! D cd will b ready by next week only. So for those I promise up d north this weekend SORRY! Not my fault cos got d wrong person to do it. Very slowlah!


Booker
Dog Kichi


Dec 3, 2003, 11:36 PM


Views: 2019
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Sherman:
No prob.....we can wait!!Tongue Cheers!!


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Dec 3, 2003, 11:38 PM


Views: 2019
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

You sure ?

nvm...your drink is on me when we meet up, ok?

Thanks very very much! SmileSmileSmileSmile
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sherman
Dog Kichi

Dec 3, 2003, 11:57 PM


Views: 2018
Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Yo Guys,

No prop. My friend who is not so interested in working dogs but after viewing d tapes, wow! start asking me to look 4 a GSD or MALI for him. So, I hope when u hv d cd pls pass it around. Maybe by a month or two, v hv alot of SchH kakis around. For D Future Of SchH Club In M'sia.


boon
Doggyman


Dec 4, 2003, 12:51 AM


Views: 2015
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi Sherman,

no worry, sure can wait, good thing must wait.....appreciate ur help.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

(This post was edited by boon on Dec 4, 2003, 12:52 AM)


Booker
Dog Kichi


Dec 7, 2003, 3:38 AM


Views: 1999
Re: [RealityDreamer] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

RD,did u receive my email?


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Dec 8, 2003, 6:02 AM


Views: 1993
Re: [sherman] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

hi Smile

Ask your friend to join usCool

and thanks very much..

will do...will doSmile
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Scott_Sheila
Novice


May 24, 2004, 10:49 PM


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Re: [robros] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

Hi

My rottie puppy already show signs that he is going to be a small male. Small paws and small head. And his coat are tint of brown. Definitely not suitable for show dogs cause of his impure breed. So he will be just a family dog, which is fine with us.

Scott's last Rottie was 150lbs from champion bloodlines. He was also a schuthunds dog like his family for many generations. Dux died last year before Scott moved to Malaysia. He was really a magnificent dog.

:)Sheila


chilimson
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Jun 6, 2004, 9:31 AM


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Re: [Scott_Sheila] Rottweiler - Cliff v.d. konigskanzel

   





























Hi, where did you get you Rottie from? How come you did not get his pedigree line? Is that him or her in your avatar? Why did you make a judgement call that your puppy will be a small dog? Are you inferring that he is not pure pedigree? Are you trick or did you get the puppy from a pet shop?