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HLYap
Dog Kichi


Sep 27, 2003, 6:01 AM


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Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Hi all,

There were previously some concerns, expressed by some members in the PD Doggy Dream Holiday thread, about whether dogs may be transported around in cars.

I am currently doing some research in the course of work and came across a piece of legislation (Malaysian) known as the Road Transport Rules (Compilation of 44 Rules), which were made by the Minister of Transport in exercise of the powers conferred by Sections 63 and 73 of the Road Traffic Ordinance, 1958, and which came into force on 01 July 1959. Those who are able to obtain sight of a copy of the said Rules should refer to Rule 34 therein in particular.

Anyhow, in brief, generally:

1. No animals shall be led or driven on any public road or street between the hours of 6:45pm and 6:45am unless such animals are in the charge of at least one adult person carrying a light visible within a reasonable distance both in the direction of which such animals are being led or driven and in the reverse direction. (Prohibition of Animals on Public Roads - Rule 23)

2. No person shall lead, ride or drive (the word 'drive' here does not mean just saying 'mush', but involves driving, dragging, pushing or propelling any vehicle) any animal of whatsoever kind on a public road in such manner as not to have proper control over the same or in such a manner as to cause danger or obstruction to traffic. (Control of Animals - Rule 24)

3. Whenever animals are being led on a public road they shall be securely tied by the head and may be so secured to each other in batches of not more than 3. (Animals to be Secured - Rule 29)

4. Whenever animals are being led on a public road a competent person shall be in charge of each batch which he shall control with a chain or rope or other sufficient lead. (Animals, How to be Secured - Rule 30)

HOWEVER, Rule 34 specifically states, inter alia, that Rules 23, 24, 29 and 30 as mentioned hereinabove shall NOT APPLY to DOGS. Insofar as I have been able to ascertain the same, this exemption has yet to be repealed, deleted or amended by the Ministry of Transport or any subsequent piece of legislation, and should therefore be current.

So the next time any individual:
(1) stops you when you have your dog(s) in the car with you and tells you that you are doing something wrong by transporting said dog(s) around as passenger(s) in your vehicle; or
(2) tells you, when you are walking your unleashed dog, that your dog should be on a leash;
tell the individual in question (with respect, but of course) that the Minister of Transport said you could do so. Smile

Notwithstanding paragraph (2) hereinabove however, every responsible dog owner should, where possible, have his/her dog on a leash when out in public - both for the safety of the dog itself, as well as for the safety of the general public.

Regards,
YHL


hunter
Ultra ALPHA


Sep 27, 2003, 8:21 AM


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Re: [HLYap] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

hi,

this is really useful :o

somehow some ppl would think they could manipulate us however they like as we dunno anything about the rules.

thanks for sharing :)


kohzila
Member


Sep 27, 2003, 9:35 AM


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Re: [HLYap] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

This is really helpful and TQVM pal..btw, I'm wondering whether r there any rules stated pets are not allow to enter restauran?


serene_kwlim
K9 Maniac


Sep 27, 2003, 10:48 AM


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Re: [HLYap] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Hi there,

Wowo.. wut a useful info... thanks for clearing my doubts!! also thanks for sharing!! i'm sure it's very helpful for all of us here!!Smile

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JolinG
Doggyman


Sep 27, 2003, 2:00 PM


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Re: [HLYap] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

yea how bout public eating places?
did the rules n legislation prohibit animals to be in restaurants n shopping complexes?


minglmy
Puppycom Veteran


Sep 28, 2003, 3:52 AM


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Re: [HLYap] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Hey Hui Lu,

thanks for providing this useful informations Wink now we know what to do... hehehehe !

cheers,
minglmy


lulugurl
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Sep 29, 2003, 6:08 AM


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Re: [HLYap] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Hey, thanks for the info. That is really something we need to know.Smile
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boon
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Sep 29, 2003, 9:07 AM


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Thanz

hahah must print out and keep it handy somewhere in my car. Getting old these days...scared i may not be able to tell all............BlushBlushBlush

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HLYap
Dog Kichi


Sep 29, 2003, 9:09 PM


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Re: [kohzila] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Hi All,

Glad u guys found the info useful. Smile

In reply to whether dogs are permitted in restaurants and shopping complexes, off the top of my head, I'd say that you'd have limited to no legal rights there - coz they are considered private property, mah (i.e. the building and the land it's sitting on belongs to a particular registered owner). Therefore, it'd be up to the landowner to set his/her/its specific rules for visitors/licencees to enter into and use/occupy the premises. I must confess here that I haven't looked into any statutes to verify the aforesaid position.. Don't have time to do more research lah!! Tongue But I do verily believe that the aforesaid should be correct.

Actually, if I may qualify my first message, the dogs loose in park bit, strictly speaking, isn't quite accurate either, since the park is likely designated as owned by some statutory or other governmental body. The rules for use of the park may thus well apply to any users of the same.

But, you will note, quite a few places (restaurants and shopping complexes) do not have the 'no dogs' allowed sign, since not many Malaysians are in the habit of taking their dogs out to 'kai-kai'. In such an event, I suggest that you try your luck!! But if asked to remove your pooch from the premises, then its advisable that you do so graciously, lah.. I would suggest here that if you r planning a trip out to those places that your dogs be carried around in dog bags, in order to lessen the likelihood of anyone objecting - that way the pooches won't be walking around on the ground, thereby eliminating the odds of it fouling any area or someone disturbing/harrassing it. Of course, the smaller the pooch is, the less the chance of any objections being raised. Cute, mah, n less people r afraid of small dogs!! Wink

As for restaurants, I find that most Chinese restaurants do not object to my Sascha (MinPin - small enough!). She's always in her carry bag, n then sits in the bag, on a chair at the table. Thing is, she's really quiet and well behaved - no peeing, pooping or climbing on the table or barking. Her current record, for sitting quietly, is about 5 hours. Smile So, I generally get away with her being there. Of course, it also helps if you know the owners of the restaurants and/or check with them beforehand - that's the polite thing to do, methinks. But I can tell you for a fact that the American Chilli's branch in MidValley, Jiak Guan restaurant on Tengkat Tong Shin, and Frangipani's on Changkat Bukit Bintang, do not welcome dogs. Tongue Yes, yes, I tried taking Sascha there!

Anyhow, hope this answers your collective questions. G'luck!!

Regards,
YHL


Kowpa
Member

Sep 29, 2003, 9:28 PM


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 I'd say that you'd have limited to no legal rights there - coz they are considered private property, mah (i.e. the building and the land it's sitting on belongs to a particular registered owner). So sorry is under the crown if its yours u don't have to pay quit rent


HLYap
Dog Kichi


Sep 29, 2003, 10:52 PM


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Re: [Kowpa] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Hi, Kowpa,

Eh? Mucho apologies, but I don't quite get what you said. Could you perhaps explain what you mean a little more? Smile

TQ!!

Regards,
YHL


kohzila
Member


Oct 1, 2003, 6:37 AM


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Re: [HLYap] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

thanks pal...if thats the case I think I can't bring Max kai kai already..simply because he is way too siow and can't even seem to be able to sit downquietly for a minute CrazyCrazy..


HLYap
Dog Kichi


Oct 1, 2003, 10:12 PM


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Re: [kohzila] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Kohzila,

The more often you take him out the more used to it he'll be, mah.. N he'll likely settle down n be really blase after that!! Think how cool it'd be to have Max sitting next to you, looking blase, with sunglasses on!! LOL!! Smile

But I get what u mean lah.. It's easier to handle smaller dogs when out - can just pick them up if they misbehave! Tongue

Regards,
YHL


snoopydog
Enthusiast

Oct 1, 2003, 10:27 PM


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Re: [HLYap] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Hi HLYap,

Thanks for your effort. Very useful info indeed. If I had read the rules correctly, our dogs have to be leased at all times on public roads, am I right? But at the end of your message, you said that the rules allow us to walk our dogs unleashed. Have I misunderstood any part of your message?

How about muzzles? I remember reading somewhere that certain dogs are technically required to be muzzled if out in public. Would you happen to know anything about that?

Thks and Rgds. Smile!


JolinG
Doggyman


Oct 2, 2003, 12:15 PM


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Re: [HLYap] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

hey thanks again for that piece of info..

so private property.like restaurants..if the management says yes..we allow dogs..so its alrright to bring them?
and it has nothing to do with muslim customers and halal food serve there rite?....


HLYap
Dog Kichi


Oct 2, 2003, 10:02 PM


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Re: [snoopydog] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Dear Snoopy,

The first paragraphs of my initial mail set forth the relevant provisions (ie. Rules 23, 24, 29 and 30) in the Rules insofar as we are concerned, so that they may be viewed by all. The mail then goes on to say that Rule 34 however states very clearly that the said provisions do NOT apply to dogs - dogs are thus exempted from application of the said provisions. There is no contradiction, so dun worry! Tongue

Re muzzles, nope. Sorry. Don't know anything about that! Certainly won't need to do so for Sascha as I don't think that there are any muzzles small enuf to fit her. The vet used a shoelace to 'muzzle' her once - quite ingenious, really. I was highly amused! (heh! heh!) Smile



Dear JolinG,

Errm, I must say here that I have not done any further research on this matter, but I should think that if the restauranteur says it's ok for your pooch to be there, then it should be ok. But by n large, dog owners should try to be sensitive lah, n not take their pooches to places where they know there'll be staunch Muslims dining too.

Hope that the above addresses, to some degree anyhow, your respective questions!! Smile Otherwise, solly!! Oh, n BTW, I hereby disclaim and deny any and all liability whatsoever (including but not limited to all costs, losses, expenses and damages whatsoever) for any and all acts, deeds and things committed, done or omitted to be done by any person(s) in reliance on or pursuant anything said by me in this thread or otherwise howsoever arising.. Wink

Yes, I kiasee, or in this case, kia'sue'.. (ya, ya, bad pun.. hehe)!! Tongue

Regards,
YHL


snoopydog
Enthusiast

Oct 2, 2003, 10:14 PM


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I see. My mistake. Blush.

Thanks again.


kesuke
Doggyman


Oct 3, 2003, 1:19 AM


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Re: [snoopydog] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

hey nice beagle you have there Smile

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snoopydog
Enthusiast

Oct 3, 2003, 4:00 PM


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Re: [kesuke] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Thank you Smile.


minglmy
Puppycom Veteran


Oct 5, 2003, 2:36 AM


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Re: [snoopydog] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

hi ivan,

wah finally see a few postings by u !

cheers,
minglmy


kohzila
Member


Oct 5, 2003, 8:03 AM


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thanks pal... In fact I'm trying now to bring him out jalan jalan..but the minute he see people, car, cat....he will start barking none stop..the worst part is..he refuse to stop eventhough I've shouted at him and command him to behave..really "beh tahan".


xyne
Doggyman


Dec 5, 2003, 7:51 PM


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tx so much for the info...

i just wonder... when the dogs are in the car.. are they legally required to be placed anywhere in the car??

It's just like us humans.. with seat belts... n what about the dogs?


Amanda85
Doggyman


Dec 8, 2003, 5:43 AM


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Re: [xyne] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

what car do you use to transport your GR?

he seems to big to be in a proton.

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HLYap
Dog Kichi


Dec 9, 2003, 10:52 PM


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Re: [xyne] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Not as far as I know. But one would imagine that they should be relatively well behaved / positioned so as not interfere with the driver's concentration. If your dog's large enough, you could maybe buckle him in place using the appropriate seat belt? There are some websites (foreign) which do actually sell doggy seat belts / travel seats - safer for both humans and dog.

But I must confess that my own dog (a miniature pinscher - a little too small and thus hard to restrain when in a car, other than putting her in a hard shell travelling case all the time) prefers to walk around the back seat looking at people n other vehicles outside the windows. When tired of doing that, she generally settles into n snoozes in her doggy carry bag which I place on the seat floor behind my driver's seat. Tongue

Regards,
YHL


xyne
Doggyman


Dec 9, 2003, 11:05 PM


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ya... i thought of the seat belts for my big dogs.. but i have 2 big ones and a small dog... and they cant stay put...

always wanting to lookout of the car and drool all over the window...CrazyCrazy so kepoh-chi

I've seen other dogs in cars tat r not in a travel case or seat belt too....
just wondering if there's a legal way for them to travel in the vehicle....


HLYap
Dog Kichi


Dec 9, 2003, 11:15 PM


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Re: [xyne] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Not that I am aware of. But this doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't any regulations pertaining to the same - sorry, I haven't done any further indepth research on this matter. I somehow seriously doubt though that there exists any current regulations / statutes relating to the same.

Regards,
YHL


xyne
Doggyman


Dec 9, 2003, 11:18 PM


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Re: [HLYap] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

just curious.. r u a lawyer?


HLYap
Dog Kichi


Dec 9, 2003, 11:25 PM


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Re: [xyne] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Yup. Tongue But everything written by me here is off record, of course, and I accept no responsibility for any loss or damage, nor any liability whatsoever for any erroneous statement or misinterpretation of the letter of the law, as all information imparted thus far has been in good faith. Wink

Regards,
YHL


xyne
Doggyman


Dec 9, 2003, 11:28 PM


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heheheee...

so professional of you...

i think by far, you're the only member i've found across the forum tat writes so formal wan.. heheheheheeeee

wat law r u doing?


HLYap
Dog Kichi


Dec 9, 2003, 11:33 PM


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Re: [xyne] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Corporate and commercial. Sorry, not much help if anyone should get nabbed by the cops for having pooches in their cars. Wink

If we're going off topic, then I suggest that you contact me at my work address hlyap@chooi.com.my, if you should wish to. Smile

Regards,
YHL


xyne
Doggyman


Dec 9, 2003, 11:55 PM


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veonderful.... next time i can consult u n seek your expertise... Tongue


HLYap
Dog Kichi


Dec 10, 2003, 12:04 AM


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Re: [xyne] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

There is, of course, no such thing as a free meal, and accordingly, no such thing as free advice, yaa... Wink Do contact me at my work email addy if you should require any legal help, so that I may bill u accordingly.. (hehe!)

Regards,
YHL


xyne
Doggyman


Dec 10, 2003, 12:06 AM


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cheh chehhh...

so fast u wanna scare me off liao... heeheheheee

r u going for the christmas gatherring?


HLYap
Dog Kichi


Dec 10, 2003, 12:25 AM


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Re: [xyne] Transportation of Dogs in Cars

Don't know yet. M still thinking about it. It's a bit too early in the morn n too far for me. Smile

Hey, we are seriously going off topic here - as mentioned above, do contact me at my work addy stated in my prior post if u wish to chat further on non-dog-in-car related matters. Otherwise, it'll be a tad boring for every other person who reads this thread to read our friv correspondances, lah.. It's also a pain (n takes a bit of time) to keep refreshing d web page on my pc.. Tongue

Later.

Regards,
YHL