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tpsing
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Jun 30, 2006, 3:51 AM


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A Real Shock

http://www.chinapress.com.my/...amp;art=0630mb30.txt


simpson
Dog Kichi


Jun 30, 2006, 6:45 AM


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Re: [tpsing] A Real Shock

Read the news and really shocked me. How could these ppl do this? Isnt dog a life too? The owner might against the rule by keeping so many dogs in his house but not meaning that they can kill them all in the house! Even they had warrant but is it necessary to do it in front of the owner? I cant imagine how deep he hurt . For me, he lost all his beloved in one day. Pls... should all us, dog lover do something to prevent such thing to happen again and again?


janewong
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Jun 30, 2006, 5:11 PM


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Re: [simpson] A Real Shock

http://www.thestar.com.my/...00989&sec=nation

This is the english version published in the Star newspaper. Poor doggies and owner.


hyenyen
Dog Kichi


Jun 30, 2006, 11:29 PM


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Re: [tpsing] A Real Shock

Where is our human rights??? Where is the dogs rights??? The Seremban council president and their officers are S**KS!!!! There are inhuman and no sympathy, they are not even qualify to be human, more more worst than the dogs, even the real dogs are more better than them!!! Hope they will get punish soon of what they have done to the dogs.


janiceC
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Jul 1, 2006, 12:17 AM


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Re: [tpsing] A Real Shock

when i read the paper ,i kept cursing those MPS fellas..they were really inhuman..y would them treat the poor innocent dogs in such a way..it's really unfair..they never value the dogs' lives...i belive they will get "balasan teruk" one day...MadPirate
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goldilock
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Jul 1, 2006, 8:11 AM


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Re: [janiceC] A Real Shock

actually the owner is the one to be blame....i read the news he kept 25 dogs in his house....it's 25!! imagine if 25 people live in a terrace house?? how crowded and messy will be.....summore they r dogs......the goverment has give warning and summon to him to remove the dogs but he ignored it....he take it for granted....imagine u live next to him....although i'm dog lover but i think i couldnt stand with the noise and stench from the dogs. I really felt pity for the dogs.....but i think the owner deserved it....:(


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makubex00
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Jul 1, 2006, 11:40 AM


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Re: [goldilock] A Real Shock

Yes I do agree that the owner did wrong, but that didn't justify the act done by the MPS. Just imagine somebody just went into your house and start shooting & killing, the dogs don't even stand a chance, furthermore someone might get hurt by open-gun-shooting. I do believe there are other BETTER solution to the problem, like just catch the dogs & bring it to SPCA or PAWs for adoption, atleast they are given a chance before being put to sleep. Gunning down a dog means suffer before death, i cant imagine the pain.

Lastly, I believe even when the court give authority/warrant to search the house, doesn't mean you can kill the dogs in the owner house!! What will they do next? Pathetic.


janiceC
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Jul 1, 2006, 10:18 PM


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Re: [goldilock] A Real Shock

ya..undeniable that thw owner is wrong..they should confront the owner.those innocent dogs did not deserve death...he was too kind-hearted to adopt so many dogs..i read the ppr this morning,,a society..not sure wat was that..will help mr wong to adopt the dogs..in johor if am not mistaken..
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ianlim
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Jul 1, 2006, 10:22 PM


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Re: [makubex00] A Real Shock

Here are another version from NST press..

I am attaching the floor picture as it's not available online:

http://www.nst.com.my/.../Article/local1_html

Dogs lovers, seems we never ever get what we wanted here, we says, all dog lovers migrate to the west.., hows that? ? Recently articles on students beatings and rude menners had really makes me really really dissappointed on where i am born.. Frown


straychampion
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Jul 1, 2006, 11:10 PM


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Re: [goldilock] A Real Shock

Do u know the real meaning of dog lover? Don't insult us - true dog lovers - by calling yourself one. I hope you will one day experience hearing the cries of your "children" and seeing them die before your very eyes. The dogs are innocent, like children, and there is no justifiable reason in the whole universe to treat them like this. So, do us a big favour. SHUT UP!!!!!


goldilock
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Jul 2, 2006, 5:34 AM


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Re: [straychampion] A Real Shock

U r the one who dunno the meaning of dog lover!!

A true dog lover doesnt mean he/she need to keep all the dogs in the world under his/her care...if all the dogs lover acting like that owner, then what the use of SPCA and PAWS?? one must think for the dogs and his abilities, it's not enough by just thinking u love the dogs and want to keep them by ur side, one must be considerate towards his neighbours. ....i'm sure that owner know the officer will come to him to shoot the dogs at any time....the officer has give warning to him...why he still take it for granted?? he is taking the risk that the officer wont shoot his dogs??? imagine urself living next to him.....i'm so sure u wont stand the noise and bad smell from the dogs (if the dogs are noisy and smelly), if u tell me u can stand it....then u must cheating urself....it's really over to keep 25 dogs in a TERRACE house where the rules only permited 2 dogs.....if they r kept in a detached house or farm....then is acceptable.

the owner can send the dogs to any of the community that willing to adopt the dogs like SPCA...i know sending them to SPCA sumtimes it's a death sentence for them, the probabilty to put to sleep is very high but better than stand against with the council....U always can't win from them...they always have reasons to support their cruel act....like in newspaper reported, the neighbours said they like the dogs, no one complaint and the dogs are not making so much noise, but what the council said? it's totally different....i;m sure the people will believe the neighbour rather than the council....but the council won't lose anything although the public know they lies about the truth.....

i'm not arguing the way the dogs died ..it's indeed a cruel and mercilessly killing..i know the council should have choosen a humane way to handle the dogs rather than shooting them but here is malaysia....it's the rules....we can't and dunno how to change this rules.....so as a true dog lover, one must obey this rules too for the sake of the dogs by not keeping more than the limit permited by the council.

once u got bad record listed with them....they will always come to ur house to disturb u until u fully obey to the rules..the officers never and wont let it go....they wont tolerate or sympathy u and ur dogs.....i have once kept 4 dogs in my house for 2 years, I got summon 4 times (RM200 each time) and the officers always PAY VISIT to my house, one year sure come 3-4 times to check u and warn u to remove the dogs although no one complain my dogs, at that time I did like what that owner did....I also rent a house for my dogs (RM200/month) just to keep my dogs on day time, at night I took them back to my house....I'm LUCKY because the officers were not so straight maybe they see me I'm a girl and advised me to remove my dogs, if not the police will come to my house, if i'm not lucky, i'm sure they will shoot my dogs too,....so never take it for granted....dun take the risk to against the officer if u know u r wrong......i know from what i told u, i;m taking the risk too but I still want to advise people not to take such risk for the sake of ur dogs, if u keep more than the limit, plz do sumthing else like renting a another house or put for adoption....

for acknowledgement....the officers will come at ANY TIME...no matter day or night, weekdays or weekends, holiday or not.... for the intention to KILL ur dogs. dun think it's holiday or midnight, they won't come....they r very cunning....


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(This post was edited by goldilock on Jul 2, 2006, 5:45 AM)


Kookee
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Jul 2, 2006, 8:54 AM


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Do u know the real meaning of dog lover? Don't insult us - true dog lovers - by calling yourself one. I hope you will one day experience hearing the cries of your "children" and seeing them die before your very eyes. The dogs are innocent, like children, and there is no justifiable reason in the whole universe to treat them like this. So, do us a big favour. SHUT UP!!!!!



My friend,

Emotions are clouding your vision there. Goldilock's rationale stands. Those poor dogs were innocent, simply because they do not have a voice nor choice. The owner is the one who sets the ultimatum and it was his choice that sealed the fate of those unfortunate dogs that were eventually culled. This is the same case when a dog attacks a human, who do think should be responsible, the dog or the owner?

Conclusively, the owner is at fault coz he knows the consequences of ignoring the warnings given and yet he chosen to not heed it. The authority is at fault coz there are more than many humane ways to handle the situation and they chosen the crudest, cruelest way to do so. And the neighbours, I do have to understand their grievance, especially if they dun have dogs themselves and I'm also sure that this is not what they wanted as the outcome.

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


wicasa
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Jul 2, 2006, 9:36 AM


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Re: [goldilock] A Real Shock

This is what you call a mascara of innocent animals!!! Forget about human rights. I never gave a damn about about it. I think the animals have more rights than us to live on this planet. This country really sucks. Im ashamed to be living here, but I cant deny the fact Im a Malaysian. Bloody government officials now order the killing of dogs! Poacher get away with just a summon for killing tigers and they get to plea bargain. Killing of elephants. All this are endangered animals. Out of topic for a doggie forum but what are chances that dogs stand as long this is an Islam country and governed by bloody Malays with their so called "haram" of dog. WTF!

I could not sleep for the pass few day after reading about the news. How can someone be able to carry on with their live after seeing the blood shed of their loved one! Even reading about news causes my eyes to water and blood to boil in rage.

Something seriously has to be done against this act of cruelty. We have to fight for the right our our beloved ones (pets).

I had the unfortunate event that 2 of my Dalmatians were gunned down by Penang bloody council. Mock and Mindy were at my relatives house. The dogs were sick but that's no reason for them to be shot in my grandmother's house compound. My bloody aunt called the council on my dogs. I never forgive her and for that reason she is a @#%! Happened 10 years ago so its history.

Now Ive got a GSD and spitz mix and they are precious to me. Id go ballistic if anything happened to them. Touch my dogs and you will lose your arm!

And `*:.G|d!lck.:* for your information the officials have no right to enter your compound without a warrant. Ask a lawyer. The problem is most of us do not really know our rights and this bloody officials take advantage of it.


Kookee
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Jul 2, 2006, 9:58 AM


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Re: [goldilock] A Real Shock

And so that everybody does not go into overdrive finger pointing to Mr. Eng, authority, neighbour, yaddah yaddah, yaddah....

A source from the Singapore The New Paper, which carries the report '13 DOGS GUNNED DOWN IN SEREMBAN HOME...Why shoot my best friends?' highlighted on several critical points:

- Seremban Municipal Council President said that Mr Eng's neighbours had been complaining about the stench and incessant barking from the (25) dogs

- They have earlier attempted to get Mr Eng to move his dogs from the terrace house but failed

- In December (2005), court order was granted for the authority to cull the dogs and Mr. Eng was given 6 mths grace period to remove the dogs

- And when no action was taken after the grace period, the council officers initiated several rounds of talks with Mr Eng, but also failed

- Council officers had brought along several veterinary department officers as the initial plan was to tranquilise the dogs first but the dogs become violent and tried to attack the officers

Blame away as you see fit.

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


goldilock
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Jul 2, 2006, 10:13 AM


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Re: [wicasa] A Real Shock

talking about laws to the council is useless....i am sure they know they r bound by laws contraints them from doing many things like entering the owner house....but in the end, they still do it and have many reasons to support their illegal act, i am sure this inhumane incident will happen again in the future (the officers will enter the house, shoot the dogs), if still got owner ignore breaking such rules.

one is consider LUCKY if the owner is giving chance from the officer to settle the dogs....if u ignore the warning, u hafto the pay the price...there are many cases where the owner did not have that chances, the officer will straight away kill the dogs without summon and warning.

u always can't win from the council if u really commit offence, although the council is breaking the rules too.....y?? bcause the dead one is DOG!!! not CAT!!


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goldilock
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Jul 2, 2006, 10:23 AM


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Re: [Kookee] A Real Shock

can u tell me the link? i wanna catch up all the news about it....i see sin chew press has a complete report about it but i dunno read chinese...chinese paper always has more details news.....


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straychampion
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Jul 2, 2006, 12:59 PM


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U r the one who dunno the meaning of dog lover!!
Are you breeding pedigrees?
A true dog lover doesnt mean he/she need to keep all the dogs in the world under his/her care...if all the dogs lover acting like that owner, then what the use of SPCA and PAWS?? one must think for the dogs and his abilities, it's not enough by just thinking u love the dogs and want to keep them by ur side, one must be considerate towards his neighbours. U must be rockers to think that Mr Eng wants to keep 25 dogs by his side. The sane ones will believe that he has no other options. He rescued those dogs and I'm sure he wants the best for them. Not to have them Put To Sleep at some society for the prevention of cruelty to animals. ....i'm sure that owner know the officer will come to him to shoot the dogs at any time....the officer has give warning to him...why he still take it for granted?? he is taking the risk that the officer wont shoot his dogs??? Yeah, I'm sure the council would have given warning. 'Hello, I'm coming now to shoot your dogs. Please open the gate. Thank you'. U are missing the point. The point is that they could have removed the dogs, not murdered them this way. By all means, punish the owner, not the animals. They could have forcefully removed the animals, but I guess these are dogs, that's why they get shot so mercilessly. If it's cats, I wonder............. imagine urself living next to him.....i'm so sure u wont stand the noise and bad smell from the dogs (if the dogs are noisy and smelly), if u tell me u can stand it....then u must cheating urself....it's really over to keep 25 dogs in a TERRACE house where the rules only permited 2 dogs.....if they r kept in a detached house or farm....then is acceptable. I don't have to cheat myself. I would not have done what the sneaky neighbours did, for I would have thought of the fate of the dogs and nothing else, should I have made a report to the council. I may not know your meaning of a dog lover, but to me a true dog lover is to help any dogs, be it pedigree or otherwise.

the owner can send the dogs to any of the community that willing to adopt the dogs like SPCA...i know sending them to SPCA sumtimes it's a death sentence for them, the probabilty to put to sleep is very high but better than stand against with the council.... How smart! Knowing it's sending something to die and yet doing it. Why not such true dog lover like yourself do something? U always can't win from them...they always have reasons to support their cruel act....like in newspaper reported, the neighbours said they like the dogs, no one complaint and the dogs are not making so much noise, but what the council said? it's totally different....i;m sure the people will believe the neighbour rather than the council....but the council won't lose anything although the public know they lies about the truth.....
That's right! Kowtow to them. 'Yessir, please shoot. We're at your mercy'. (Few minutes later) 'Thank you for following the rules and doing my neighbours a favour by shooting my dogs. Eternally grateful'. Such weaklings we are!!!
i'm not arguing the way the dogs died ..it's indeed a cruel and mercilessly killing..i know the council should have choosen a humane way to handle the dogs rather than shooting them but here is malaysia....it's the rules....we can't and dunno how to change this rules.....so as a true dog lover, one must obey this rules too for the sake of the dogs by not keeping more than the limit permited by the council.
Shooting animals in your own compound (does it include the owner?) A Malaysian rule? This is certainly something very new. Thanks for your enlightenment. Any other rules that u know and I don't, but I should. I wonder when the rule will be changed to shooting people who are noisy and dirty. Good for the council u are so law abiding. Indeed, lucky Malaysia, to have such a citizen like u. Just obey whatever the council chooses to dish out without a squeak.
once u got bad record listed with them....they will always come to ur house to disturb u until u fully obey to the rules..the officers never and wont let it go....they wont tolerate or sympathy u and ur dogs.....i have once kept 4 dogs in my house for 2 years, I got summon 4 times (RM200 each time) and the officers always PAY VISIT to my house, one year sure come 3-4 times to check u and warn u to remove the dogs although no one complain my dogs, at that time I did like what that owner did....I also rent a house for my dogs (RM200/month) just to keep my dogs on day time, at night I took them back to my house....I'm LUCKY because the officers were not so straight maybe they see me I'm a girl and advised me to remove my dogs, if not the police will come to my house, if i'm not lucky, i'm sure they will shoot my dogs too,....so never take it for granted....dun take the risk to against the officer if u know u r wrong......i know from what i told u, i;m taking the risk too but I still want to advise people not to take such risk for the sake of ur dogs, if u keep more than the limit, plz do sumthing else like renting a another house or put for adoption....
I'm glad to see that u take such trouble for your dogs. Mr Eng may not be that lucky to have resources at hand. My point is still the council beasts can't just enter and shoot the dogs as they please.
for acknowledgement....the officers will come at ANY TIME...no matter day or night, weekdays or weekends, holiday or not.... for the intention to KILL ur dogs. dun think it's holiday or midnight, they won't come....they r very cunning.... What an understatement. Cunning? They beat the fox hands down. So, where does all this leave us for the future? Keep on kowtowing............. Why don't we address the issues at hand? 1. why don't the municipal councils do their jobs - go after the owners who abandon animals, instead of doing target practice with their guns? No abandonment - no strays - no rescue - no overlimit - no shooting or SPCA's favourite PTS 2. why don't SPCA live up to its name? In case the committee members have forgotten the acronym - SPCA stands for SOCIETY FOR THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. How does SPCA classify the latest act by the Seremban council? Doing their job for them - prevention or PTS? 3. if SPCA or PAWS is effective, there won't be so many independent rescuers, a good example is Mr Eng, and a good many more that I know. 4. if SPCA or PAWS or other organisations dealing with animals make their presence felt strongly enough (9 on the Richter scale), the authorities would be more cautious and not simply do anything they fancy just because they are dogs. 5. the veterinary council - why doesn't it ask its members not to concentrate so much on the profit and loss, instead give more reasonable rates to pet owners. If charges are so exorbitant, like what vets are charging now, some owners with sick animals have no choice but to abandon or PTS, which they also have to pay, but it's cheaper than the treatment itself. To all of us: Let's get off our comfortable b**ts and do something before the council decides to be trigger happy. Few precedents have been set and it gets easier each time. We are dealing with some lunatic council people in Malaysia who should be locked up in an asylum.



straychampion
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Jul 2, 2006, 1:02 PM


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Do u know the real meaning of dog lover? Don't insult us - true dog lovers - by calling yourself one. I hope you will one day experience hearing the cries of your "children" and seeing them die before your very eyes. The dogs are innocent, like children, and there is no justifiable reason in the whole universe to treat them like this. So, do us a big favour. SHUT UP!!!!!



My friend,

Emotions are clouding your vision there. Goldilock's rationale stands. Those poor dogs were innocent, simply because they do not have a voice nor choice. The owner is the one who sets the ultimatum and it was his choice that sealed the fate of those unfortunate dogs that were eventually culled. This is the same case when a dog attacks a human, who do think should be responsible, the dog or the owner? Anyone who has seen the pictures in the Chinese newspapers would have been emotional, unless it is a heartless "animal lover".

Conclusively, the owner is at fault coz he knows the consequences of ignoring the warnings given and yet he chosen to not heed it. The authority is at fault coz there are more than many humane ways to handle the situation and they chosen the crudest, cruelest way to do so. And the neighbours, I do have to understand their grievance, especially if they dun have dogs themselves and I'm also sure that this is not what they wanted as the outcome. Whatever it is, there is no justiable reason to shoot animals in cold blood in a residence or anywhere.The beasts who could do it reflects the evil in them although they tried to justify it.



(This post was edited by straychampion on Jul 2, 2006, 1:06 PM)


straychampion
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Jul 2, 2006, 1:10 PM


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This is what you call a mascara of innocent animals!!! Forget about human rights. I never gave a damn about about it. I think the animals have more rights than us to live on this planet. This country really sucks. Im ashamed to be living here, but I cant deny the fact Im a Malaysian. Bloody government officials now order the killing of dogs! Poacher get away with just a summon for killing tigers and they get to plea bargain. Killing of elephants. All this are endangered animals. Out of topic for a doggie forum but what are chances that dogs stand as long this is an Islam country and governed by bloody Malays with their so called "haram" of dog. WTF!

I could not sleep for the pass few day after reading about the news. How can someone be able to carry on with their live after seeing the blood shed of their loved one! Even reading about news causes my eyes to water and blood to boil in rage.

Something seriously has to be done against this act of cruelty. We have to fight for the right our our beloved ones (pets).

I had the unfortunate event that 2 of my Dalmatians were gunned down by Penang bloody council. Mock and Mindy were at my relatives house. The dogs were sick but that's no reason for them to be shot in my grandmother's house compound. My bloody aunt called the council on my dogs. I never forgive her and for that reason she is a @#%! Happened 10 years ago so its history.

Now Ive got a GSD and spitz mix and they are precious to me. Id go ballistic if anything happened to them. Touch my dogs and you will lose your arm!

And `*:.G|d!lck.:* for your information the officials have no right to enter your compound without a warrant. Ask a lawyer. The problem is most of us do not really know our rights and this bloody officials take advantage of it. Hip-hip-hooray. Well said!! Three cheers!



(This post was edited by straychampion on Jul 2, 2006, 1:13 PM)


wicasa
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Jul 2, 2006, 7:39 PM


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My friend,

Emotions are clouding your vision there. Goldilock's rationale stands. Those poor dogs were innocent, simply because they do not have a voice nor choice. The owner is the one who sets the ultimatum and it was his choice that sealed the fate of those unfortunate dogs that were eventually culled. This is the same case when a dog attacks a human, who do think should be responsible, the dog or the owner? Anyone who has seen the pictures in the Chinese newspapers would have been emotional, unless it is a heartless "animal lover".

Conclusively, the owner is at fault coz he knows the consequences of ignoring the warnings given and yet he chosen to not heed it. The authority is at fault coz there are more than many humane ways to handle the situation and they chosen the crudest, cruelest way to do so. And the neighbours, I do have to understand their grievance, especially if they dun have dogs themselves and I'm also sure that this is not what they wanted as the outcome. Whatever it is, there is no justiable reason to shoot animals in cold blood in a residence or anywhere.The beasts who could do it reflects the evil in them although they tried to justify it.



Well its true that emotion is clouding our vision. But heck with such calamity, anyone would be enraged with the officials.

Those were innocent lives taken away in such a heartless act. I do agree the owner crossed his boundaries but that does not give the council right to act as barbarians. We are civilized, unless the council still lives in the 1400 AD. There are a bunch of homeless / beggars / drug addicts hanging around Kota Raya area. I believe they are a nuisance so will they be shot??? Shot them instead of those innocent creatures.

Heck, tell me what you want. The owner is at fault and the council has right to remove the dogs. Fine I do agree but nevertheless its just the WRONG THING. It can never be justified that what the council did was right. They say the owner became aggressive and the dog became aggressive too. Who would not when you have 4-6 officials out to gun you down! Even before they went there they had already the mission in their head just to kill. I do not believe they tried to even consider the possibility of tranquilizing the dogs. The dogs were just murdered in cold blood. Its all bullshit that the officials tried to talk and tranquilizing the dogs. I know how the council or anything related to the goverment works. Save cost and get things done quicker. THE STUPID OFFICIAL WAY OF THIS COUNTRY! I hope all of them burn in hell.


Kookee
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Jul 2, 2006, 10:15 PM


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Re: [straychampion] A Real Shock

Straychampion,

What makes you think we felt any lesser than you feel now? Or care any lesser? Or experience less pain? You are hitting out at another forumer who is voicing out his / her stand in the issue, which doesn't prove him / her to be any less of a dog-lover. I'm sure all of us have read the report, seen the traumatic aftermaths......Why are you ranting out about kowtowing to the authority? There are laws, rules and policies to abide to, whether you like it or not. Mr. Eng chooses otherwise.

What would you do if you are in Mr. Eng's shoes? Would you bring in 25 dogs into your home? Provoke your neighbours? Mobilise the authority? Defy the law? WHAT WOULD YOU DO? GIVE SOLUTIONS, NOT CONDEMN.

Legally, the authority has the right to put down those poor innocent dogs (they have a court warrant, bear in mind) but MORALLY, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO PUT DOWN THE DOGS THE WAY THEY DID.

We are all angry, believe us, we do. Mr. Eng takes strays off the streets, no problem...if he practise a little bit of common sense to rehome them and keep those within his capacity. Do you think you are capable of taking care of all 25 dogs, at one time? Give them equal attention, equal love, enough food, enough comfort? And he is asking for trouble, from his neighbours and the authority. I have 2 dogs and even though I would love to have more, I know I can't coz MPSJ stipulated we can only have 2. So, imagine I get several more dogs in, draw complains from the neighbours and the council comes knocking.

You know what is my greatest fear? That one of my neighbour owns 4 dogs few doors away from my home and none of them are licensed. And his neighbours are already complaining. My fear is one day, the authority would come, do something unthinkable and then, they would go around checking out all the houses and do something to mine. FEAR AND PARANOID, MY FRIEND! Some irresponsible dog owner (dog-lover still) becomes the catalyst to escalating nightmares. The tightening of rules and laws and pet ownership policies would eventually affect you and me.

Yeah, you have every right to voice your concern. Me, I just felt sad and fear. I am angry at Mr. Eng coz he sets the ball rolling. The hand that gives becomes the taker. If he rehome them, they might have stand a better chance. If he sends them to SPCA, some of them might be saved, some might not (with full understanding of SPCA's predicament). IT SHOULDN'T BOILS DOWN TO ALL THESE, THE KILLINGS OF INNOCENCE, THE TRAUMA OF THE FAMILY AND THE OUTRAGE OF ALL ANIMAL-LOVERS.

And you know what, I strongly wonder if the high-handedness of this case is because it involved a different race and a different type of animal.... I have not heard cats being culled before.

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


Kookee
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Jul 2, 2006, 10:35 PM


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My friend,

Emotions are clouding your vision there. Goldilock's rationale stands. Those poor dogs were innocent, simply because they do not have a voice nor choice. The owner is the one who sets the ultimatum and it was his choice that sealed the fate of those unfortunate dogs that were eventually culled. This is the same case when a dog attacks a human, who do think should be responsible, the dog or the owner? Anyone who has seen the pictures in the Chinese newspapers would have been emotional, unless it is a heartless "animal lover".

Conclusively, the owner is at fault coz he knows the consequences of ignoring the warnings given and yet he chosen to not heed it. The authority is at fault coz there are more than many humane ways to handle the situation and they chosen the crudest, cruelest way to do so. And the neighbours, I do have to understand their grievance, especially if they dun have dogs themselves and I'm also sure that this is not what they wanted as the outcome. Whatever it is, there is no justiable reason to shoot animals in cold blood in a residence or anywhere.The beasts who could do it reflects the evil in them although they tried to justify it.



Well its true that emotion is clouding our vision. But heck with such calamity, anyone would be enraged with the officials.

Those were innocent lives taken away in such a heartless act. I do agree the owner crossed his boundaries but that does not give the council right to act as barbarians. We are civilized, unless the council still lives in the 1400 AD. There are a bunch of homeless / beggars / drug addicts hanging around Kota Raya area. I believe they are a nuisance so will they be shot??? Shot them instead of those innocent creatures.

Heck, tell me what you want. The owner is at fault and the council has right to remove the dogs. Fine I do agree but nevertheless its just the WRONG THING. It can never be justified that what the council did was right. They say the owner became aggressive and the dog became aggressive too. Who would not when you have 4-6 officials out to gun you down! Even before they went there they had already the mission in their head just to kill. I do not believe they tried to even consider the possibility of tranquilizing the dogs. The dogs were just murdered in cold blood. Its all bullshit that the officials tried to talk and tranquilizing the dogs. I know how the council or anything related to the goverment works. Save cost and get things done quicker. THE STUPID OFFICIAL WAY OF THIS COUNTRY! I hope all of them burn in hell.



Wicasa, very true....dogs take cue from their owner. I dun blame the dogs from turning aggresive. This is Malaysia.......and we all know how things are done here.......and with those in power.....sadly, this would continue to happen. And let us just say that this not only happen to certain breed of pet, but to human as well....I admit I'm in denial stage now but I'm checking out my option, another country, perhaps. Where a certain breed of pet would receive more respect.

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goldilock
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Jul 2, 2006, 11:53 PM


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Re: [straychampion] A Real Shock

U r the one who dunno the meaning of dog lover!!
Are you breeding pedigrees? No, I never rear pedigree b4, all the dogs i have are mongrels but how it is related i'm not a dog lover?I rescue stray puppies and re-home them....so far i have successfully give 4 stray pups and will be added 5 soon a good home and I visit them now whenever I think of them. do u do that?
A true dog lover doesnt mean he/she need to keep all the dogs in the world under his/her care...if all the dogs lover acting like that owner, then what the use of SPCA and PAWS?? one must think for the dogs and his abilities, it's not enough by just thinking u love the dogs and want to keep them by ur side, one must be considerate towards his neighbours. U must be rockers to think that Mr Eng wants to keep 25 dogs by his side. The sane ones will believe that he has no other options. He rescued those dogs and I'm sure he wants the best for them. Not to have them Put To Sleep at some society for the prevention of cruelty to animals. he indeed wants the best for the dogs but he chooses the wrong way when the council warned him to remove the dogs and he still keeping them. if the council was unknown of it, then of cos the best for the dogs are under his care rather than send to SPCA but since the council has purposely come to deal with him the problem, and he still stand against them, then the best for the dogs is to remove them either put for adoption or send to SPCA. Sending them to SPCA would be last choice, although he knows they will PTS, but doesn't he knows the council will shoot his dogs if he ignore the warning? don't tell me, he'll think that the council will 'so kind' help him re-locate the dogs, I never heard such news that the council will do any other move than gunned down the dogs. here is Malaysia, not US, where u see animal police will seize the dogs from the owner and send to animal shelter. unless the dogs are really good behavior, very tame, they might think to help to remove the dogs, but how can u expect the dogs will react that way when they see the officers are coming to catch them? so the dogs sure gunned down even they bark only one time to the officer. I'm sure that owner know the officer will come to him to shoot the dogs at any time....the officer has give warning to him...why he still take it for granted?? he is taking the risk that the officer wont shoot his dogs??? Yeah, I'm sure the council would have given warning. 'Hello, I'm coming now to shoot your dogs. Please open the gate. Thank you'. U are missing the point. The point is that they could have removed the dogs, not murdered them this way. By all means, punish the owner, not the animals. They could have forcefully removed the animals, but I guess these are dogs, that's why they get shot so mercilessly. If it's cats, I wonder............. the owner sure will be punish, i know he has receive summons from the council. although his dogs are dead, he still need to pay for the summons, whether he will going to jail or not, I dunno. on that morning, when that group of officers come to shoot, Mr.Eng can negotiate with them, he can do anything to save the dogs life even begging in front of them, promising them the dogs will be remove by that day. if he willing to negotiate with them, the ending might not be same. The officers might not be take such cruel action if they see Mr.Eng has the sincere to comply the rules. I have negotiate with those dog cathers few times, I know they r not so merciless, if u willing to coorperate with them. imagine urself living next to him.....i'm so sure u wont stand the noise and bad smell from the dogs (if the dogs are noisy and smelly), if u tell me u can stand it....then u must cheating urself....it's really over to keep 25 dogs in a TERRACE house where the rules only permited 2 dogs.....if they r kept in a detached house or farm....then is acceptable. I don't have to cheat myself. I would not have done what the sneaky neighbours did, for I would have thought of the fate of the dogs and nothing else, should I have made a report to the council. I may not know your meaning of a dog lover, but to me a true dog lover is to help any dogs, be it pedigree or otherwise.
I din say tat u cheating urself is mean u'll report to the council. what i mean is u can't accept that kind of noise and stench from the dogs if the dogs are really smelly and noisy, if the dogs are not making so much noise and not smelly, i think everyone will tolerate that. if the dogs are really nuisance and u live next to him, ur emotion won't get disturb? won't u go and talk to Mr.Eng? if yes, means u can't stand with it la....the word noisy and smelly give diff meaning to everyone, so the tolerate level also diff. Maybe mr. eng's dogs are not that nuisance to u, but to his neighbours, they really feel being disturb every day and night, they r his neighbours, they will live there maybe for the rest of their life, so u expect them to endure for rest of their life with noise and smell pollution?? maybe the neighbours had talk to Mr.eng b4 reporting to council, and maybe mr. eng has try his best to solve that problem, but if the problem still exists, u can't blame the neighbours to take such action to report to council.

the owner can send the dogs to any of the community that willing to adopt the dogs like SPCA...i know sending them to SPCA sumtimes it's a death sentence for them, the probabilty to put to sleep is very high but better than stand against with the council How smart! Knowing it's sending something to die and yet doing it. Why not such true dog lover like yourself do something? if really no choice, no one to adopt the dogs, and u know the council will come to shoot ur dogs at anytime, u still dun wan to send them to SPCA??u still want to keep them in ur house and fight against with the council who equip with guns?? sending them to SPCA doesn't 100% the dogs will PTS. they might get adopted by someone else. if really PTS, they died in peaceful way, no suffer. many people think sending the dogs to SPCA like 100% sending them to death, so when they dun wan to rear the dogs anymore, they will release them in the wild with the hope they can survice as long as they can rather than sending them to SPCA. but this is absolutely wrong. other case like mr.eng, keeping more than limit of dogs, they think the dogs are keeping in their own premises, they have the rights to keep anything in their own place as long as the things is not illegal. dog is not illegal possesion so the people will think they r not commiting crime, y the council will come to disturb them?? But the reality dun permit them to do that even they r doing good things. U always can't win from them...they always have reasons to support their cruel act....like in newspaper reported, the neighbours said they like the dogs, no one complaint and the dogs are not making so much noise, but what the council said? it's totally different....i;m sure the people will believe the neighbour rather than the council....but the council won't lose anything although the public know they lies about the truth.....
That's right! Kowtow to them. 'Yessir, please shoot. We're at your mercy'. (Few minutes later) 'Thank you for following the rules and doing my neighbours a favour by shooting my dogs. Eternally grateful'. Such weaklings we are!!! we r not weaklings, it's just that we cannot do anything....u think no people stand up for the animals arguing with the council?? what is the result?? the council always has or maybe create evidence to make public belief they have no other choices other than shooting the dogs. like in this case, they even have warrant from court to enter the premise to shoot the dogs where the actual law they can't do that without the presence of the owner. u see the newspaper reports, the council has give many reasons for themself to make public know that they have done at their best like: the court order stated that they think to tranquilize the dogs, they r not coming to shoot the dogs. i believe the truth is they indeed coming to shoot the dogs. tranquilize is only used for the dogs which are very tame, no bark, wagging the tails. they have no choice to shoot the dogs bcause the dogs r attacking them. aren't they should know the dogs will attack them in that situation? or they expect the dogs will be very quiet, no bark, licking them when the officers approach them??if they dun wan them to attack, they should be friendly to dogs, treat them nicely before taking such cruel action. they didn't give the chance to dogs to familiar with them. this is called no choice?? they said they have receive numerous of complaint from neighbours if it's true, show evidence, they must have record the complainers details. i'm not saying show to public...at least they need to proove that many neighbours complaint about the dogs. I know although no one complain, they purposely want the dogs die....they won't let it go once they know u breaking the rules. I have the experience where the officers will drop by my house 3-4 times a year to check my house. last year 2005, they came about 4 times. this year 2006, they have come 2 times, and i am expecting they will come again no longer although now i have obey the rules. i'm not arguing the way the dogs died ..it's indeed a cruel and mercilessly killing..i know the council should have choosen a humane way to handle the dogs rather than shooting them but here is malaysia....it's the rules....we can't and dunno how to change this rules.....so as a true dog lover, one must obey this rules too for the sake of the dogs by not keeping more than the limit permited by the council.
Shooting animals in your own compound (does it include the owner?) A Malaysian rule? This is certainly something very new. Thanks for your enlightenment. Any other rules that u know and I don't, but I should. I wonder when the rule will be changed to shooting people who are noisy and dirty. Good for the council u are so law abiding. Indeed, lucky Malaysia, to have such a citizen like u. Just obey whatever the council chooses to dish out without a squeak. the owner wont get hurt....they will pull the owner out of the house b4 shoot the dogs so that the owner can't disturb them and not getting hurt. U think they will so stupid shooting the dogs when the owner is free to protect the dogs?? if u really want to protest the council and u think u can make a difference for the animals, why u dun take the trouble to make official complaint?? dun just sit here facing the computer and write so many things stated u really a pure dog lover. once u got bad record listed with them....they will always come to ur house to disturb u until u fully obey to the rules..the officers never and wont let it go....they wont tolerate or sympathy u and ur dogs.....i have once kept 4 dogs in my house for 2 years, I got summon 4 times (RM200 each time) and the officers always PAY VISIT to my house, one year sure come 3-4 times to check u and warn u to remove the dogs although no one complain my dogs, at that time I did like what that owner did....I also rent a house for my dogs (RM200/month) just to keep my dogs on day time, at night I took them back to my house....I'm LUCKY because the officers were not so straight maybe they see me I'm a girl and advised me to remove my dogs, if not the police will come to my house, if i'm not lucky, i'm sure they will shoot my dogs too,....so never take it for granted....dun take the risk to against the officer if u know u r wrong......i know from what i told u, i;m taking the risk too but I still want to advise people not to take such risk for the sake of ur dogs, if u keep more than the limit, plz do sumthing else like renting a another house or put for adoption....
I'm glad to see that u take such trouble for your dogs. Mr Eng may not be that lucky to have resources at hand. My point is still the council beasts can't just enter and shoot the dogs as they please. in this case is diff, the council has obtained the court order to enter the premise to shoot the dogs. because they tolerate with him at their maximum level, mr. eng still dun wan to comply after few negotiations and 6 months grace period to remove the dogs, i think they got rights to enter his premise in this case but shooting the dogs in the house is another subject. for normal case, of cos the officer can't enter the premise to shoot the dogs because they dun have warrant.
for acknowledgement....the officers will come at ANY TIME...no matter day or night, weekdays or weekends, holiday or not.... for the intention to KILL ur dogs. dun think it's holiday or midnight, they won't come....they r very cunning.... What an understatement. Cunning? They beat the fox hands down. So, where does all this leave us for the future? Keep on kowtowing............. Why don't we address the issues at hand? 1. why don't the municipal councils do their jobs - go after the owners who abandon animals, instead of doing target practice with their guns? No abandonment - no strays - no rescue - no overlimit - no shooting or SPCA's favourite PTS 2. why don't SPCA live up to its name? In case the committee members have forgotten the acronym - SPCA stands for SOCIETY FOR THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. How does SPCA classify the latest act by the Seremban council? Doing their job for them - prevention or PTS? 3. if SPCA or PAWS is effective, there won't be so many independent rescuers, a good example is Mr Eng, and a good many more that I know. 4. if SPCA or PAWS or other organisations dealing with animals make their presence felt strongly enough (9 on the Richter scale), the authorities would be more cautious and not simply do anything they fancy just because they are dogs. 5. the veterinary council - why doesn't it ask its members not to concentrate so much on the profit and loss, instead give more reasonable rates to pet owners. If charges are so exorbitant, like what vets are charging now, some owners with sick animals have no choice but to abandon or PTS, which they also have to pay, but it's cheaper than the treatment itself. To all of us: Let's get off our comfortable b**ts and do something before the council decides to be trigger happy. Few precedents have been set and it gets easier each time. We are dealing with some lunatic council people in Malaysia who should be locked up in an asylum. The exists of Indepedent Rescuers doesn't mean the SPCA and PAWS are not good in handling the animals....we need more organization like this to provide more shelter to help the homeless animals. we cannot fully depend on just SPCA and PAWS to help the animals as their space and funds are very limited to help every homeless animals.


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wicasa
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Jul 3, 2006, 12:15 AM


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My friend,

Emotions are clouding your vision there. Goldilock's rationale stands. Those poor dogs were innocent, simply because they do not have a voice nor choice. The owner is the one who sets the ultimatum and it was his choice that sealed the fate of those unfortunate dogs that were eventually culled. This is the same case when a dog attacks a human, who do think should be responsible, the dog or the owner? Anyone who has seen the pictures in the Chinese newspapers would have been emotional, unless it is a heartless "animal lover".

Conclusively, the owner is at fault coz he knows the consequences of ignoring the warnings given and yet he chosen to not heed it. The authority is at fault coz there are more than many humane ways to handle the situation and they chosen the crudest, cruelest way to do so. And the neighbours, I do have to understand their grievance, especially if they dun have dogs themselves and I'm also sure that this is not what they wanted as the outcome. Whatever it is, there is no justiable reason to shoot animals in cold blood in a residence or anywhere.The beasts who could do it reflects the evil in them although they tried to justify it.



Well its true that emotion is clouding our vision. But heck with such calamity, anyone would be enraged with the officials.

Those were innocent lives taken away in such a heartless act. I do agree the owner crossed his boundaries but that does not give the council right to act as barbarians. We are civilized, unless the council still lives in the 1400 AD. There are a bunch of homeless / beggars / drug addicts hanging around Kota Raya area. I believe they are a nuisance so will they be shot??? Shot them instead of those innocent creatures.

Heck, tell me what you want. The owner is at fault and the council has right to remove the dogs. Fine I do agree but nevertheless its just the WRONG THING. It can never be justified that what the council did was right. They say the owner became aggressive and the dog became aggressive too. Who would not when you have 4-6 officials out to gun you down! Even before they went there they had already the mission in their head just to kill. I do not believe they tried to even consider the possibility of tranquilizing the dogs. The dogs were just murdered in cold blood. Its all bullshit that the officials tried to talk and tranquilizing the dogs. I know how the council or anything related to the goverment works. Save cost and get things done quicker. THE STUPID OFFICIAL WAY OF THIS COUNTRY! I hope all of them burn in hell.



Wicasa, very true....dogs take cue from their owner. I dun blame the dogs from turning aggresive. This is Malaysia.......and we all know how things are done here.......and with those in power.....sadly, this would continue to happen. And let us just say that this not only happen to certain breed of pet, but to human as well....I admit I'm in denial stage now but I'm checking out my option, another country, perhaps. Where a certain breed of pet would receive more respect.


Anyone would turn aggressive once felt threatened. I think SPCA in this country has no fangs! They are the sole body to stand up against such acts. But sadly this is Malaysia and things work here differently. As long there are those with the Malay mentality about dogs and their false teachings, the entire species would not receive any respect. They only need the K9's to do their work as rescue workers and sniff out drugs. Apart from that purpose dog are forbidden animals, unclean and haram. As long this mentality exists, the fighting chances are slim.

Everyone just loves dogs all over the world. Here what I see in people is a general fear of dogs. Number one cause of this would be the bloody hell religion then the next cause would be the bad media. I take my GCD for evening walks and I see people walking away as if Im walking with lion or bear! This Malay guy told me "Anjing lu ganas lah" then he went on to tell me about it being haram in Islam. ( She is an 8 month old GSD whos just a baby and get frighten by other smaller dogs ). I felt like punching him till his grandmother can't recognize him anymore. With such neighbors of cause the dogs will not be welcomed anywhere. In fact once, my spitz made so much noise and chased off a few burglars who tried to enter my neighbors house. No once cares about it but everyone bothers that the dogs are haram.

Perhaps in other countries, dogs are respected and loved. The more I continue on this topic, the more enraged I become at this group of people and it might turn in racism. It boils down to the religion, people and politics that govern this country.

PS: I think this would not have happened if he was Malay and had 25 cats!!!


Kookee
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Jul 3, 2006, 6:20 AM


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Re: [wicasa] A Real Shock

Heyah Wicasa,

It's already an age old argument, certain group of people are not really fond of certain breed of domesticated pet. And I disagree on the part of SPCA having no fang. You must understand, in the more 'civilised' part of the world, there's stringent animal protection law, continuous enforcement and of course, a collective efforts of profit and non-profit organisation. Animals, is known as man's best friend in those part of the world, having its own right in legislation. Now, do we have that here? Let's not kid ourselves.......that wouldn't happen, as long as those in power now remains in power.

And I'm sorry to hear about your GSD. But you know, blanket statement is not really fair coz I do know of some % of certain group of people is not dead set against dogs. Just two days back, I was walking my two dogs and there's this one Chinese lady bringing her children out from her house. She halts her children immediately and as her children starts saying, 'Mama, doggie, doggie', the mum said,'The doggie will bite bite' and you know what, I turned around and gave her the dirtiest look I can summon. Yeah, I do feel like giving her a piece of my mind.

What a sad world we are living in now .... Culture, education, belief, environment...all of them stink.

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


chrisong
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Jul 3, 2006, 7:07 AM


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Re: [all] A Real Shock

That why we as a dog owner must set a good example for the publics. Example Pick up the poo when your dog poo at publics place, train ur dog to be well manner & etcs. This need time & patient to educate the non dog owner about our intelligent & lovely doggie we all have here.

This incident can be prevented if we all dog owner practising responsible dog ownership.

But, the local council shouldn't just shoot the dogs like that especially inside the Mr. Eng house. This is cruelty!!!!!!! SPCA should have done something about this.


wicasa
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Jul 3, 2006, 4:48 PM


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Re: [Kookee] A Real Shock


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Heyah Wicasa,

It's already an age old argument, certain group of people are not really fond of certain breed of domesticated pet. And I disagree on the part of SPCA having no fang. You must understand, in the more 'civilised' part of the world, there's stringent animal protection law, continuous enforcement and of course, a collective efforts of profit and non-profit organisation. Animals, is known as man's best friend in those part of the world, having its own right in legislation. Now, do we have that here? Let's not kid ourselves.......that wouldn't happen, as long as those in power now remains in power.

And I'm sorry to hear about your GSD. But you know, blanket statement is not really fair coz I do know of some % of certain group of people is not dead set against dogs. Just two days back, I was walking my two dogs and there's this one Chinese lady bringing her children out from her house. She halts her children immediately and as her children starts saying, 'Mama, doggie, doggie', the mum said,'The doggie will bite bite' and you know what, I turned around and gave her the dirtiest look I can summon. Yeah, I do feel like giving her a piece of my mind.

What a sad world we are living in now .... Culture, education, belief, environment...all of them stink.


It's true that this is something that has been around since ages and cannot be changed over night. I might have over stepped about SPCA being fangless. You know how you tend over react and not to think and just to condemn once your are blinded by emotion. SPCA is the only body we can rely on, they are there just not strong enough and under funded and under resource. Things do work here but just at an extremely slow pace.

It's all in the education and bringing up of the future that will help protect our pets, animal protection laws and hopefully the change of people's mind set. Currently it goes like 60% say "haram" no hope convincing this bunch, 30% tell their children or "educate" then with the line "The doggie will bite" and instill fear in them from a young age. What is left the minority of us 10% who struggle to convince the rest otherwise. I think Malaysia would be in the World Cup before this can happen. Haha.

I just read the papers this morning. Finally, a smart move by the owner, he should have considered this possibility 6 months ago. He had the grace period but did not think of appealing for help! Now what has been done cannot be undone and the 13 lost lives are gone in vain because of a dumb owner nevertheless an animal lover. I do agree he's an animal lover, bringing in stray dogs, caring and nurturing for them. I do not think everyone would do it and for that he has my respect. But unfortunately he did set off a chain reaction for all dog owners throughout the country. This is a bloody window of opportunity for the councils to come out with new regulations that might affect the rest of us. Now we the rest should be more alert of our surroundings and take great care and practice responsible dog ownership. The past cannot be change by debating over it, now our present actions determine the future of our pets.

As you say it "What a sad world we are living in now .... Culture, education, belief, environment...all of them stink"


Kookee
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Jul 3, 2006, 6:21 PM


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Re: [wicasa] A Real Shock

Heyah Wicasa,

Well said indeed, well said!

Yeah, majority of us have being very emo following the news. Anger and pain are just a natural way of coping having to see lives lost in such appalling manner. I doubt I would be able to get the imageS of the shootings aftermath out of my head in long long time. The same reason I feel even more protective of my kiddies now, and to hug them more, and to never take them for granted.....

What can we do.....there's no oommmph in the part of the animal-lovers lobbyist..SPCA has being fighting long and hard for better animal protection but looks who's sitting on the top...the people who would decide the rise and fall of certain breed of pet...Whatever we do today will indeed affect the future, hence, to everyone who has a heart, please don't give the people in power the opportunity to create and imposed more ridiculous laws and policies. I knew of quite a number of dog-owners out there who are not practicing responsible dog ownership. THINK OF YOUR ACTION OR INACTION AND THE IMPACT IT WOULD BRING ABOUT.

So, Mr. Eng decided to seek help, ya? I haven't catch the news this morning yet but I am relief that he intends to do so, FINALLY. I am happy for his decision coz at least, it is not all lose yet. Now that he comes to his senses, I do appeal to all out there to support him and help him through this difficult time.

Now go and hug your kiddies....Cheers!

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


wicasa
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Jul 3, 2006, 8:02 PM


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 www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/7/3/nation/14724454&sec=nation

I truely feel sorry for Mr.Eng and still very emotional over the incident. His first dog was one of the unfortunate souls.


wicasa
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Jul 3, 2006, 9:38 PM


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"We onli take action in dogs. What is this?
The other day I went to MPSJ to complain my neighbour's place so dirty and smelly with cat's pee and poo's smell. They having so many cats, some of them consider stray cats alredy. Imagine on my roof also got their poo. Mad How do you expect me to sleep during nite time with those smell. So I asked them to catch all the cats if not they will keep on breeding. Behind my house, there are more that 15 stray cats and nobody care them. Guess what the ppl in charge in MPSJ said : We all tak take action kat cats. We onli take action kat dogs. What is this? Is it fair for the dogs? Cats will be all around and dogs will get lesser and lesser. Dogs must have license but cats don't need it. One house can rare 2 dogs but cats can 4. I don't think it's fair for our dog who are innocent staying at home doing nothing harm outside. Those fierce dogs around the street also because those malay kids disturb them. I saw so many case that kids throwing stones at the dogs. For me I think its so unfair and angry about this when the Malay guy in MPSJ said that."

www.puppy.com.my/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=255879;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

I got this from another post. This should answer your question, Kookee about "Where a certain breed of pet would receive more respect". CATS!!! This enrages every dog owner.


(This post was edited by wicasa on Jul 3, 2006, 9:44 PM)


goldilock
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Jul 3, 2006, 10:26 PM


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Re: [wicasa] A Real Shock

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jeffri
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Jul 3, 2006, 11:42 PM


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Re: [goldilock] A Real Shock

goldilock rite?

can u first of all give every dog's lover an explanation of wat u hav comment...

wat do u mean by the owner deserve it? r u toking the right things in common sense? is it that u mean the dog deserve to die b'coz the owner deserve it? so that means that if one day this thing had happen to u and ppl started to have complain on ur children and u ignored it. let's say if u ignored it, is it the same thing ppl can kill ur children and u can juz tell urself that u deserve it? i know it too rough for me to say this but u r really making ppl's blood boils.... dun treat urself as dog lover coz U R NO DIFFERENT FROM THE MPS BASTARD!!!

so for goodness sake.. if u ever have a dog, please let it go for adoption or anything as long as it leave u far far away... if not the dog will be suffering like HELL!!!!



like or not like.. please think properly before u voice out!! if not juz shut the up!! bloody idiot!!


jeffri
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Jul 3, 2006, 11:59 PM


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wat the fuck is the MPS doing?

MPS fella have started to take their own decision. i dun mean able to make decision is bad but how come they are so bloody hell and no brain to do this kind of decision? this is a killing spree!! dogs have their own rights and i think they deserve to live in this world than those bloody hell sucker!!

i mean how could they do this? won they feel sorry or ath? won they be punished by gods or ath for their wrong doings? i admit this country is actually a jurassic park! those MPS is the T-REX while the dogs here are their food!! wat abt cats then? cats are animal so is the dogs!! but why is dog's life so miserable here?? y they need licence, microchipped and bla bla while cats can roam around without ath?? we ask for fairness no matter in human or animals as long as it is living things!!

if wat happen today is those killed are not dogs and it is cats.. will this cruelty happen? i dun think it will happen... so wat even u have licence or warrant to do that? is it have to be law by law? if that's the case make it fair for dogs and cat. sometimes i wonder wat does the warrant says? is it stated there " kill all the dogs in the house as u like?" the more i say the more my blood boils.. they are always KAYU.. no brain..

now wat happen cannot be rewind.. no matter wat they do or compensate also can't bring the dog back to life..



here.. may the dog rest in peace..

hope the MPS fella see wat is written here and stop their silly thinking doing..

but of coz, dun worry MPS fella coz the god will punished u!! may retribution befalled on u guys who did the killing spree...


Kookee
Enthusiast


Jul 4, 2006, 1:39 AM


Views: 2771
Re: [jeffri] A Real Shock


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goldilock rite?

can u first of all give every dog's lover an explanation of wat u hav comment...

wat do u mean by the owner deserve it? r u toking the right things in common sense? is it that u mean the dog deserve to die b'coz the owner deserve it? so that means that if one day this thing had happen to u and ppl started to have complain on ur children and u ignored it. let's say if u ignored it, is it the same thing ppl can kill ur children and u can juz tell urself that u deserve it? i know it too rough for me to say this but u r really making ppl's blood boils.... dun treat urself as dog lover coz U R NO DIFFERENT FROM THE MPS BASTARD!!!

so for goodness sake.. if u ever have a dog, please let it go for adoption or anything as long as it leave u far far away... if not the dog will be suffering like HELL!!!!



like or not like.. please think properly before u voice out!! if not juz shut the up!! bloody idiot!!



Goldilock....I urge you to not reply this mail nor make anymore justification to this fellow here. What a cheek! And for the person behind Jeffri, if you feel like cursing or throwing vulgar words around this forum, I dun think this is the place for you.

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


Kookee
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Jul 4, 2006, 1:46 AM


Views: 2770
Re: [jeffri] wat the fuck is the MPS doing?


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MPS fella have started to take their own decision. i dun mean able to make decision is bad but how come they are so bloody hell and no brain to do this kind of decision? this is a killing spree!! dogs have their own rights and i think they deserve to live in this world than those bloody hell sucker!!

i mean how could they do this? won they feel sorry or ath? won they be punished by gods or ath for their wrong doings? i admit this country is actually a jurassic park! those MPS is the T-REX while the dogs here are their food!! wat abt cats then? cats are animal so is the dogs!! but why is dog's life so miserable here?? y they need licence, microchipped and bla bla while cats can roam around without ath?? we ask for fairness no matter in human or animals as long as it is living things!!

if wat happen today is those killed are not dogs and it is cats.. will this cruelty happen? i dun think it will happen... so wat even u have licence or warrant to do that? is it have to be law by law? if that's the case make it fair for dogs and cat. sometimes i wonder wat does the warrant says? is it stated there " kill all the dogs in the house as u like?" the more i say the more my blood boils.. they are always KAYU.. no brain..

now wat happen cannot be rewind.. no matter wat they do or compensate also can't bring the dog back to life..



here.. may the dog rest in peace..

hope the MPS fella see wat is written here and stop their silly thinking doing..

but of coz, dun worry MPS fella coz the god will punished u!! may retribution befalled on u guys who did the killing spree...



UMMMMM.....MR. ADMINISTRATOR, ARE WE ALLOWED TO USE F*** WORD IN THIS FORUM? I HAVE NOT SEEN IT BEING USED OPENLY ANYWHERE, SO PLEASE ADVISE.

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


Kookee
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Jul 4, 2006, 1:53 AM


Views: 2769
Re: [wicasa] A Real Shock

Heyah Wicasa,

You are staying in SJ/ USJ as well? Which part? Oh yeah, have not managed to catch any news today....wud do it later.

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


Kookee
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Jul 4, 2006, 7:04 AM


Views: 2758
Re: [wicasa] A Real Shock


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"We onli take action in dogs. What is this?
The other day I went to MPSJ to complain my neighbour's place so dirty and smelly with cat's pee and poo's smell. They having so many cats, some of them consider stray cats alredy. Imagine on my roof also got their poo. Mad How do you expect me to sleep during nite time with those smell. So I asked them to catch all the cats if not they will keep on breeding. Behind my house, there are more that 15 stray cats and nobody care them. Guess what the ppl in charge in MPSJ said : We all tak take action kat cats. We onli take action kat dogs. What is this? Is it fair for the dogs? Cats will be all around and dogs will get lesser and lesser. Dogs must have license but cats don't need it. One house can rare 2 dogs but cats can 4. I don't think it's fair for our dog who are innocent staying at home doing nothing harm outside. Those fierce dogs around the street also because those malay kids disturb them. I saw so many case that kids throwing stones at the dogs. For me I think its so unfair and angry about this when the Malay guy in MPSJ said that."

www.puppy.com.my/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=255879;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

I got this from another post. This should answer your question, Kookee about "Where a certain breed of pet would receive more respect". CATS!!! This enrages every dog owner.



Dun get me wrong here, I am too, a cat lover...but the double standard towards dog ownership is way beyond rationale. I got cats from the neighbourhood coming into my garden, doing their potty everywhere...so-o, do I get angry? No, I dun. Instead, I just clean them up. Maybe it's just me..but I do like cats, thus, I find no reason to hate them becoz of their preferential treatment by a certain group of people. Tolerance, my fren, compromise, give and take....some vocabs that, unfortunately never exists in the dictionary of certain group of people......

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


wicasa
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Jul 4, 2006, 7:57 AM


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Re: [Kookee] A Real Shock


In Reply To

In Reply To
"We onli take action in dogs. What is this?
The other day I went to MPSJ to complain my neighbour's place so dirty and smelly with cat's pee and poo's smell. They having so many cats, some of them consider stray cats alredy. Imagine on my roof also got their poo. Mad How do you expect me to sleep during nite time with those smell. So I asked them to catch all the cats if not they will keep on breeding. Behind my house, there are more that 15 stray cats and nobody care them. Guess what the ppl in charge in MPSJ said : We all tak take action kat cats. We onli take action kat dogs. What is this? Is it fair for the dogs? Cats will be all around and dogs will get lesser and lesser. Dogs must have license but cats don't need it. One house can rare 2 dogs but cats can 4. I don't think it's fair for our dog who are innocent staying at home doing nothing harm outside. Those fierce dogs around the street also because those malay kids disturb them. I saw so many case that kids throwing stones at the dogs. For me I think its so unfair and angry about this when the Malay guy in MPSJ said that."

www.puppy.com.my/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=255879;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

I got this from another post. This should answer your question, Kookee about "Where a certain breed of pet would receive more respect". CATS!!! This enrages every dog owner.



Dun get me wrong here, I am too, a cat lover...but the double standard towards dog ownership is way beyond rationale. I got cats from the neighbourhood coming into my garden, doing their potty everywhere...so-o, do I get angry? No, I dun. Instead, I just clean them up. Maybe it's just me..but I do like cats, thus, I find no reason to hate them becoz of their preferential treatment by a certain group of people. Tolerance, my fren, compromise, give and take....some vocabs that, unfortunately never exists in the dictionary of certain group of people......


Kookee, I’m from Setapak but I believe PJ to be a “much” dog friendlier neighborhood. I’m not too sure just guessing by the number of dog owners from that area.

FYI, I love all kind of animals except snakes. Creeps me out. I have nothing against cats; my housing area is infested with stray cat. You can notice some morons dumping a few cats out of their car and driving away! I’ve had cats giving birth in my house all the time (before my dogs came along). There would be kittens in the garden, in the back yard and in the gutters. I’m not a cat lover, I just like them but that does not mean I hate them. I just find this practice of double standard among pets in the community very disturbing. The both species are equally God’s creations. Why discriminate even between the animals. The words you mentioned tolerance and compromise are ALIEN language to many out there. Even some pet owners.

This forum seems to have a few hot heads who just burst out and slam others. We are all here discussing / debating about the same issue at hand. Why slam each other. I'm not on anyone's side just on the side of the dogs.


goldilock
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Jul 4, 2006, 9:14 AM


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Re: [jeffri] A Real Shock

ok..i'll give u my explaination what I meant about the owner derseve it....I absolutely think the owner derserve his dogs to be shot by the officers because he has take the warning for granted. U see...he has given 6 months to remove this 26 dogs and the officers has puposely come to negotiate with him few times, do u know what way he choosed? He ignored it!! Dun u think the council has tolerate him at the maximum level?? 6 months is very enough time to remove his dogs to another place, if not how long do u think the council should give him?? 6 years instead of 6 months??? plus the few times negotiations are consider 'very tolerate' move by the council, but the owner never think to cooperate with them. i am sure if the owner has think a second to cooperate with the council, the ending might not be same especially on that day where the 13 dogs being shoot. i refer to the newspaper report said that suppose that day the group of officers were trying to negotiate with him again for the last time b4 taking such cruel action, but what did the owner response?? he chooses not to comply with them and drove off with his 9 dogs. when the officers see what the owner react, of cos they will be mad and intrude to his house and kills the dogs. i believe if the owner didnt escape on that day and really use his heart to negotiate with the officers, promising them that the dogs will be remove by that day too, i'm sure the officers won't shoot his dogs. u know why, because their mission is to get rid of the dogs in his house so that the neighbours won't complain again. u see the word get rid of the dogs in his house, the officers only want the over limit dogs not to stay in his house anymore, if the owner willing to solve the problems by himself, of cos the officers will give him and his dogs a chance.



i dun believe if really the owner did negotiate with them, really have the sincere to remove his over limit dogs on that day they were shoot, the officer won't give a chance to him and his dogs....i dun believe the officers will be that 'merciless'. the way the dogs died, shooting them in the house is another subject, ok? i'm explaining why i said the owner deserve this incident to be happen, not the way the dogs died.



about u said if one day my children being complained and i ignored it, is it i'll be deserve that...........1st u should know why there's people will complain u......is it they r very free,nothing else to do so wanna complain u although u did nothing wrong?? if only 1 person complain, and other people u know r supporting u, of cos the problem is not with u .....but if majority people are not supporting u and complain u, of cos there's somthing wrong with u and u should know what's wrong with that, unless u dun wan to admit ur problem, cheating urself u r innocent.....then when something bad happen, blame here blame there, this is what called deserve it.



like this case, u think the owner didn't know he is wrong? u think he dunno the whole neighbourhood have complaining him of having so many dogs? u think he dunno why the neighbours complain him? u think he dunno the officers will come to shoot his dogs at anytime? u think he dun have other choices to re-locate the dogs rather than keeping all the dogs by himself although he has receive complaints and warning from officers?? all these he knows...but he chooses the wrong way to love his dogs.



I refer to the newspaper, the dogs problem causing from that owner has begin since 10 years ago...where the owner 1st move into that area with his 8 dogs....since 10 years ago, the neighbours has been complaining until few days ago, the officers only take action to kill the dogs. all these are enough for me to think that the owner deserve this cruel incident to be happen, he is indirectly the one who kills his dogs.



all the comments i give are refering to the reports from newspapers. the truth behind this incident of cos i dunno....


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Kookee
Enthusiast


Jul 4, 2006, 7:36 PM


Views: 2727
Re: [wicasa] A Real Shock

Heyah Wicasa,

You are refering to MPSJ so I thought you are staying in this area.

I am sorry to hear of your cats' problems. Fence is not good enough to keep them out but have you tried to check with your vet to see whether there's any formulation that would repel the cats from coming near your place? Or maybe you can googled up some traditional ways to keep them off eg. planting some herbs etc etc around your compound?

I dun blame the hotheads for bursting out, but name-calling, hmmmm....suffice to say that by doing so, it only reflects on the inadequency of the caller and not the recipient.

Cheers!

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


ashley_pig
New User

Jul 5, 2006, 8:28 AM


Views: 2689
Re: [goldilock] A Real Shock

i agree that the owner had made a very big mistake in this case.... but no matter how wrong is the owner.. pls don involve animals in our human battle.. they're innocent... those animal just wish to have a place for them to sleep.. no longer live in hunger.. thats much more enough for them.. izzit this small little wish human also have to take away from them??

the owner din border abt the warning? the owner go against the law? then just take an action on the owner but not the animals..

government blame the owner kept too many dogs in his house until causing " pencemaran bau " and disturbing his neighbour.. but do government do anything to solve the problem of stray animals? the answer is no.. catch and kill is not the way.. they also have the right to survive.. to live.. earth is not only for human.. human don have right to take their live away..

no matter how wrong is the owner.. atleast he did a right thing.. that is giving a home to those stray dogs.. he let then no longer live in hunger.. the government should appreciate him. and try to help him to solve those problem he face...

killing the dogs? is this the only way and the right way? no. they're just showing the cruelty to the dogs..

izzit sacrifice those dogs is a right punishment for the owner? no? definitely no....

why don't they discuss with spca? maybe there is another way out...


goldilock
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Jul 5, 2006, 8:56 AM


Views: 2686
Re: [ashley_pig] A Real Shock

yes....i totally agree with ur opinion. from the beginning, I was arguing that the owner was wrong in this case. I din say the council took the right action, didnt I? I see most of the people are only arguing that the council shouldn't take such cruel action, but the death of the 13 dogs is not fully responsible by the council only. who will say that the owner has no responsible over his dogs death at all? Definately, both sides also are wrong. but the 1st wrongdoer i think is the owner, he has the option to help his dogs to choose their destiny, if he willing to coorperate with the council, the ending definately will change.

i know the owner is absolutely a dog lover....i din say he is not. like in newspaper report, I agree he is a HERO to his dogs, but a HERO is not always doing the right things in a right time. He uses the wrong way to love his dogs. like what u said, he did the right things but in a wrong situation. doing right things in wrong situation isn't work at all.

the goverment really should appreciate what he has done to save the strays, if I'm the ruler, I'll sure reward him for his contribution. but u must know we r ruled by what kind of goverment? the DOG is HARAM in the goverment's eye. so just be rationale,....


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hyenyen
Dog Kichi


Jul 5, 2006, 9:00 AM


Views: 2686
Re: [goldilock] A Real Shock

Hihi Godilock,

No offend here. Actually I disagreed with u saying that the Mr. Eng should deserve it.Actually we should respect him and solute him because he is really a great great dog lover where he really rescue any stray dogs from being suffer in the street and also from being bully. He is actually sacrificing his time and money and also his own space at home to save the dogs although the dogs pee and poo in his house making a lot of bacteria in the house. He rather let the dog having the best while he himself just only take what he need only. If for me, i really can't do that. Since i can't do that, i admit that i am a selfish dog lover.

The only thing is he and his dogs is really very unlucky because they are living in a good country, Malaysia, with bad people which are practising racism and also haram the dog. If Mr Eng is in another country doing this, he already got help from other animal lover society. And also unfortunately Mr. Eng is a nobody to malaysia. If mr. Eng is datuk's son or Tan Sri's son or he himself is a Datuk or Tan Sri or he have some relationship with some datuk or Tan Sri, do you think the MPS will come after him? Well, i dont think so because we all already knew that most of the MP in M'sia are see ppl do thing, see money do thing and see status do thing. Mr. Eng is just only a normal chinese m'sian. If a chinese datuk m'sian having about 25 dogs in his house compound, i think the MPS will just only close 1 eye and open 1 eye. Such as the datuk case that killed the China boy, where is the case now? I think the case closed and no news and now the datuk is freed. No one will know the true story behind it.

As for the dogs, although the dogs are being shoot down mercilessly, actually we should think positively and be glad because those dogs is not going to suffer anymore in this racism country and no need to be hidden up all the time. They are now free in another world which is peacefully forever or in buddhist practice maybe the dogs reborn again as a good pedigree and not stray dogs anymore or as a human that going to come back to take revenge on the bloody MPS. I hope the MPS will get punish soon.

Dont know whether got MPS will read this forum or not. If one of them got read this forum, i would like to write a few things here for them. Well, to MPS people:-
You all are really nothing to do in this world and only take advantage at helpless people. Actually you all are wasting a lot of government resources, you can send about 20++ ppl to Mr.Eng house just only to kill those harmless animals by using guns and bullets. Wasting only your gun skill and bullets. Why not u all use your gun and bullets in a very useful way by gun down those heartless snatch thieves and robbers? Our M'sia now is not safe anymore, alot of heartless snatch thieves and robbers. Since M'sia not enough policemen to protect this country, why not you go helping the policemen and bring this country for a better place to live? Do you know that nowadays snatch thieves and robbers are really heartless and are everywhere?? The victims have money or no money also will be stabbed to death. Like the Indian teacher case just recently happen at Old Klang Road Happy Garden. Although catching snatch thieves and robbers is not your job but you have the GUN IN YOUR HAND and you have the responsibility to protect this country and also malaysian and also of cause your family member. I beg one day you yourself or your family member will experience being rob. Don't just only simply take advantage at helpless people. We all can see that you all are actually doing nothing, eating salary, bowing your head to high status people like datuk+tan Sri and bully+take advantage at non-malay normal citizen. Since you all are being assign as MPS, please do your job properly and dont make this country a mess. Bye MPS, you will get punish very soon.


goldilock
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Jul 5, 2006, 10:12 AM


Views: 2682
Re: [hyenyen] A Real Shock

maybe the word i use is pretty hash and but i just want to be straightforward, i din mean not to respect him. i'm pointing at the incident, not the person. based on the incident, i really think the owner is the one who let this incident happen, he is the one who make the neighbour complain to him, he is the one who dun wan to coorperate with the council, he is the one who treat the warning as nonsense, when the council come to negotiate with him, he think the council is talking rubbish to him, so...all these, is enough for me to say that the owner deserve it.

based on incident, we can look at the council side, if really they want the dogs died, they no need purposely come to find that owner few times to negotiate with him, they can straight away shoot the dogs earlier as that owner indeed has broke the rules of having over limit dogs plus no license and numerous complaint of neighbours. why they take so much trouble to come to find that owner few times? when they approach that owner, the owner act aggressive to them, ignore the advise from the officers to remove the dogs, if u were the officer, what do u think? no point talking to that owner...talk what also that owner dun wan to remove his dogs. the owner should know when his case has reach to the court, and the court has order him to remove his dog within 6 months, he cannot stand against them anymore....no way he could win. why he still never remove his 26 dogs even 1 dog? within 6 months, he never even reduce 1 of his dogs...

all here who r standing at that owner side are not living in his neighbourhood, so u all here dun und what the neighbours feeling of being disturb every day and night, if u r one of his disturbed neighbour, maybe ur thinking will not same. again...i stated that i only think the owner deserve this incident to happen, not his dogs deserve to die being shoot by the officer.

i have already give so much comments on this topic....i really tired Smile i can't explain all my opinion for every member.....i understand every comments from diff member that against my opinion, I accepted it because I know ur all feeling....but it seems that ur all didnt understand my thinking... Smile

am i a weird person to have such thinking??


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hyenyen
Dog Kichi


Jul 5, 2006, 4:58 PM


Views: 2675
Re: [goldilock] A Real Shock

Hi, good morning, godilock. Well, u r not weird. All of us hav different opinion and just want to voice it out only. As far as i know those MPS is bullying non-status ppl. And also we only know a few story between the MPS & the owner but dont know the whole true story behind the owner and the MPS. Like most of us know BIG MOUTH IS ON MPS SIDE. Base on newspaper also no use because newspaper also being control by government. Story in the newspaper sometimes repeat and repeat. All their bad things is being hidden up and all their good things are written on the media. And they act very on time to kill the dogs but if we all complain about the road got holes or other things, do they act so fast?

Yup, u r right the owner are given chances to remove the dog. But when the owner obey the rules and try to relocate the dog to another location by renting a house at other location, the MPS is spying on him where he put the dog. He feel being threatened and that's y he had no choice but to bring back all his dog to his side so he thought this could protect them. If the MPS didnt spy on him, i think he already successfully move away all his dogs to a safe place.


goldilock
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Jul 6, 2006, 11:32 AM


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Re: [hyenyen] A Real Shock

more news on this topic

http://www.nst.com.my/...5/Article/index_html

http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/53397

http://www.nst.com.my/...4/Article/index_html

http://www.nst.com.my/...2/Article/index_html


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luv_pipi
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Jul 6, 2006, 8:33 PM


Views: 2638
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Hey guys with balls, please take your gun and shoot down those people in blame.

All the while i hear people condemning, talking, complaining that the authority is not right, inhumane bal bla bla... But never i see anyone here taking the real action to do something.

For people who are giving a helping hand to Mr. Eng, terima kasih banyak banyak!

For people who planned to bring lawsuit aganist the authority, i wish you good luck!

For people who ambitiously promotes a responsible society, I give my full respect to you!

For people who wanna buat kacau because got no one to blame, I envy you because you are so free and have nothingelse better to do than to continue to condemn other.

Adius! Cheers my PiPi who is in good shelter and good home and in no competition with other dogs!
Frown My PiPi does not have long fur Frown

Frown My PiPi does not win any awards in DoG Show Frown

Frown My PiPi is not a member of MKA Frown

Frown My PiPi does not attend obedience and agility training Frown

FrownMy pipi is a simple dog Frown




Butterfly_B52
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Jul 7, 2006, 2:48 PM


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Re: [luv_pipi] ALL

Cheers,



Friends and neighbors complain that petrol . electricity, toll are indeed very heavy, and if those laid on by the government were the only ones we had to pay, we might the more easily discharge them; but we have many others, and much more grievous to some of us. We are taxed twice as much by our idleness, three times as much by our pride, and four times as much by our folly. Very hurting to many hearts indeed.




I like people with common sense, not rude , no prejudice , consider the opinion of others, kind and reasonable etc, etc






luv_pipi
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Jul 7, 2006, 5:24 PM


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In Reply To
Cheers,



Friends and neighbors complain that petrol . electricity, toll are indeed very heavy, and if those laid on by the government were the only ones we had to pay, we might the more easily discharge them; but we have many others, and much more grievous to some of us. We are taxed twice as much by our idleness, three times as much by our pride, and four times as much by our folly. Very hurting to many hearts indeed.




I like people with common sense, not rude , no prejudice , consider the opinion of others, kind and reasonable etc, etc






Hey butterfly, this is the first time i see you in this kind of discussion. As usual, you have complicated English haha

For me, neither i will cry for the dogs simply because they are DEAD, nor writing to the authority and make a big fuss about it. We all have to learn from the mistake and do not repeat it. If i know my dog will be caught by DBKL if i leave her outside the house unattended, why do i let my dog out in the first place? This is common sense , people. Don't wait for something happen, then only you start complaining, condemning and trying to find someone to be blamed for the consequences.

For people who have problems with the government, please take note that you chose to live in this country. If you don't like the rules, take it or leave it. Don't put the blame on SPCA for not doing a good job or MPS who has got no brain. If you are ambitious enough, be part of of government and you can start with your own rule. I will be the first one to sign your petition.

For Mr. Eng's fans, you can continue to feel sympathy for what happen to him and his dogs. However, this is a tragedy and we all have to learn by now. Do not take the "Dog Lover" title for granted and do something against the rule. Warning is given to you for a reason, not without a reason. If you ignore it, then be responsible for what is going to happen next.

Let the dead rest in peace, the living ones, please move on.
Frown My PiPi does not have long fur Frown

Frown My PiPi does not win any awards in DoG Show Frown

Frown My PiPi is not a member of MKA Frown

Frown My PiPi does not attend obedience and agility training Frown

FrownMy pipi is a simple dog Frown




Kookee
Enthusiast


Jul 7, 2006, 7:21 PM


Views: 2599
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Very Shakespearean! I didn't take any Eng. Lit. during school days, so kinda Lost in Translation... I can only relate to your sign-off line....

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


edksdan
Dog Kichi


Jul 7, 2006, 7:27 PM


Views: 1796
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For me, neither i will cry for the dogs simply because they are DEAD, nor writing to the authority and make a big fuss about it. We all have to learn from the mistake and do not repeat it. If i know my dog will be caught by DBKL if i leave her outside the house unattended, why do i let my dog out in the first place? This is common sense , people. Don't wait for something happen, then only you start complaining, condemning and trying to find someone to be blamed for the consequences.

For people who have problems with the government, please take note that you chose to live in this country. If you don't like the rules, take it or leave it. Don't put the blame on SPCA for not doing a good job or MPS who has got no brain. If you are ambitious enough, be part of of government and you can start with your own rule. I will be the first one to sign your petition.

For Mr. Eng's fans, you can continue to feel sympathy for what happen to him and his dogs. However, this is a tragedy and we all have to learn by now. Do not take the "Dog Lover" title for granted and do something against the rule. Warning is given to you for a reason, not without a reason. If you ignore it, then be responsible for what is going to happen next.

Let the dead rest in peace, the living ones, please move on.



Hi Luv, how are you? More positive thinking as time pass ahh, very good. I like your style of rationing, the mover. Thumb up from me.

BTW, when are you going to train me?? po-poo or pe-pee doesn't matter, as long as the intention is good. Be happy ya.

On another note. I thought you like to "ka yim ka cho" to make thing taste better and more people will join in the fray.He..he..hee

Edmund


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Kookee
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Cheers,



Friends and neighbors complain that petrol . electricity, toll are indeed very heavy, and if those laid on by the government were the only ones we had to pay, we might the more easily discharge them; but we have many others, and much more grievous to some of us. We are taxed twice as much by our idleness, three times as much by our pride, and four times as much by our folly. Very hurting to many hearts indeed.




I like people with common sense, not rude , no prejudice , consider the opinion of others, kind and reasonable etc, etc






Hey butterfly, this is the first time i see you in this kind of discussion. As usual, you have complicated English haha

For me, neither i will cry for the dogs simply because they are DEAD, nor writing to the authority and make a big fuss about it. We all have to learn from the mistake and do not repeat it. If i know my dog will be caught by DBKL if i leave her outside the house unattended, why do i let my dog out in the first place? This is common sense , people. Don't wait for something happen, then only you start complaining, condemning and trying to find someone to be blamed for the consequences.

For people who have problems with the government, please take note that you chose to live in this country. If you don't like the rules, take it or leave it. Don't put the blame on SPCA for not doing a good job or MPS who has got no brain. If you are ambitious enough, be part of of government and you can start with your own rule. I will be the first one to sign your petition.

For Mr. Eng's fans, you can continue to feel sympathy for what happen to him and his dogs. However, this is a tragedy and we all have to learn by now. Do not take the "Dog Lover" title for granted and do something against the rule. Warning is given to you for a reason, not without a reason. If you ignore it, then be responsible for what is going to happen next.

Let the dead rest in peace, the living ones, please move on.

Hai-yah Pipi....you also need to give people time to vent their anger / frustration mah! Taking sides is also common-mah! And do you notice that people are moving on as we see less and less posts here?!? Good! Typical Malaysian attitude....quick to forget until...

How-lah are we going to move forward with this 'tidak-apa' attitude? Everytime something like this happen, the heat is on for that moment and gain momentum as every Tom-Dick-Harry jumps on the critic bandwagon but hey, give it a week or two cooling period and life's back to normal.

Pipi has so kindly concluded the moral of the stories, for the dogs, for the govt, for the owner and for the dog community in general. Even though there's limitation to what we can offer and do, consider it as your part well done when you start to practise responsible and smart pet ownership.

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


luv_pipi
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Hi Luv, how are you? More positive thinking as time pass ahh, very good. I like your style of rationing, the mover. Thumb up from me.

BTW, when are you going to train me?? po-poo or pe-pee doesn't matter, as long as the intention is good. Be happy ya.

On another note. I thought you like to "ka yim ka cho" to make thing taste better and more people will join in the fray.He..he..hee

Edmund



Arloo Edmund, Pipi is fine fine .. Thanks for caring. hehe.. You know la.. woman's heart changes by the wind. Also, it depends on which days of the month she post her comments on the forum. The next moment you will see me shooting bullets on some crappy guys.. and you will say " Gotch..this crazy woman again!!"

Ehh.. have you learn to "sit" already??. Good Edmund !haha.. jk jk.. How many dogs do you have there? The black dog in your avatar look so... "duh"..haha

I memang like to "ka yim ka cho" one..but this issue is different la. People blame here blame there but worst is they blame SPCA. Eh.. come on, my Pipi came from there ok? People can talk all kind of nonsense but if steps on my Pipi's tail, sure i will kena balik one..
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luv_pipi
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Hai-yah Pipi....you also need to give people time to vent their anger / frustration mah! Taking sides is also common-mah! And do you notice that people are moving on as we see less and less posts here?!? Good! Typical Malaysian attitude....quick to forget until...

How-lah are we going to move forward with this 'tidak-apa' attitude? Everytime something like this happen, the heat is on for that moment and gain momentum as every Tom-Dick-Harry jumps on the critic bandwagon but hey, give it a week or two cooling period and life's back to normal.

Pipi has so kindly concluded the moral of the stories, for the dogs, for the govt, for the owner and for the dog community in general. Even though there's limitation to what we can offer and do, consider it as your part well done when you start to practise responsible and smart pet ownership.



Kookee ar kookee...people don't post message anymore because busybody like me join the discussion ma.. You know me, i like to fry people one... Sly

This is Malaysia. We are grown up here and we live with the rule, both written and unwritten ones. Written one are the "undang-undang", and the unwritten one, you know, i know and all of us know. One day you stop by traffic police then you will know what to do. "tak apa" attitude is okay for me, i only have 1 pair of hand and i can only carry my dog, myself and my lingerie..haha

Pipi is reaching enlightenment. Probably too much World Cup and teh tarik! Smart Pet ownership?? Apa tu? Don't la use this kind of complicated phrase, Pipi has small brain cannot understand le..

p/s Heard that kookee loose weight!! Congratulations.
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I have questions. Why is there a limit on dogs you can own but not on cats? Why do dogs need licenses but not cats?

Feel so helpless that we cannot take any action on the trigger happy MPS ppl. Feel ashamed I am Malaysian and from Seremban.

If this had happened in a developed country. The owner would have already sued the MPS ppl for causing emotional loss to him. If I had to see my pets shot b4 my eyes and had to clean up the blood all over the floor in my house later, I would never have had the strength to deal with it.


luv_pipi
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Jul 9, 2006, 10:49 PM


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arloo liblackdog,

Cats & Dogs? For me, both are animals with four legs and they could make really good companion to us. Who create the differrences? It is the human itself.

Don't feel ashame for being a Malaysian. We all have already done our best.

cheers
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Kookee
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Jul 10, 2006, 9:20 AM


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We are the voice for those who have none....the ability to express one's feeling, whether it's out of genuine concern or just for 'kay-po-chi' sake, is the reflection of more positive things to come. Our flawed education system has instilled in us, the fear to speak out, to be YES-man, to comply and never ever to ask questions. So, whether your Pipi reaches enlightenment, it is dictated by the wisdom of the hand that guides him.



**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**


Kookee
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Jul 10, 2006, 9:47 AM


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Why ashamed? Cruelty against animals happens in all parts of the world. And for dogs, with some of them ending up on as delicacies for human consumption. Talk about developed and civilised countries, yeah!......

**Yogi Puiga-Yoga**