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PlaTo
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Nov 24, 2004, 8:35 PM


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American Pit Bull Terrier

hi ppl...i'm lookin' foward to buy two american pit bull terriers.i found few breeders but all crossed wif other breeds.if anybody here know any breeder wif pure pit bull tell me know.plz...


nairud
K9 Maniac


Nov 26, 2004, 1:27 AM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

don't think they allow us to import coz malaysia has ban all imports on Am Pit Bull Terrier.

Even if there are breeders in malaysia, i think it's hard to find them also


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tuckfook
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Nov 27, 2004, 6:46 AM


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Re: [nairud] American Pit Bull Terrier

Though Malaysia says they have banned the import of Amercan Pitt Bulls, who is to know ? The Vet dept. knows next to nothing on these dogs, Customs knows nothing and there is nothing a few Rm cannot solve ! Many have arrived on our shores and have been bred successfully.

There are dogs fights with Pittbulls almost every weekend in major towns around Malaysia. Dogs come from all over and bets run into tens of thousands.

Wherever you are if you bother to look for them, you'll find a breeder of Pittbulls.

A true Pittbull lover is unlikely to visit Puppy.com.my .....it's just a different type of love for dogs !


RealityDreamer
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Nov 28, 2004, 12:15 PM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

"A true Pittbull lover is unlikely to visit Puppy.com.my .....it's just a different type of love for dogs "

don't be so sure Smile
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(This post was edited by RealityDreamer on Nov 28, 2004, 12:38 PM)


tuckfook
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Nov 29, 2004, 6:40 AM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] American Pit Bull Terrier

Haha.....LOL

Love the dog or the dog's capabilities or the dog fights.

Having seen several dogfights, it is the total opposite to the love for dogs.

Pitbulls are bred to fight, their natural instinct is to kill the other dog, so to stop the pitbull from fighting is to deprive it from it's natural love...........would that be loving the pitbull ?

Would that be real or a dream


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Nov 29, 2004, 10:49 AM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

lol...all Tongue

well,personally I am not in2 pit fighting,though I do understand the type of love u r describing as I am in2 working dogs,I think it's very very very very important for a dog to be able to do what it was bred for and what it loves,in this case,dog fighting.

Then again..there is the whole issue of "killing another dog" ...neither anti nor pro it..

P.S. person(s) that i'm referring to isn't me..
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PlaTo
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Dec 1, 2004, 8:19 PM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

mmm.....i've found a breeder in jb....i think i'ma go for it...buy da puppies...thanks fo' respondin to my quez....pz.SlySly


donloo
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Dec 11, 2004, 12:44 AM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

hi plaTo...can you let me know the breeder which from jb..becoz i also want to buy bull terrier,can you let me know how to get this breeder contact number.pls sms me thur my h/p..please help..012-7523812...thks a lot

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hello...im luckyhusky


ilovenba
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Dec 16, 2004, 5:56 PM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

i know a breeder in ipoh. if u are interested, i'll try to find the contact for u





nothing is imposible, it just looked that way.


PlaTo
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Dec 16, 2004, 7:53 PM


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Re: [ilovenba] American Pit Bull Terrier

mmm...intrestin'...is it pure pit bull or crossed wif other breeds?..cuz one of my friends also intrested in gettin a pit bull. i mind as well get another one. pass me his contact no. if u will.thanks.pzWink


ilovenba
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Dec 16, 2004, 9:12 PM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

unforturnately i lost his contact oledi. he has a pure breed pitbull. go to this web and drop him a mail. he'll contact u. his name is calvin tan.

http://www.adpost.com/my/pets/559/





nothing is imposible, it just looked that way.


babegal
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Dec 17, 2004, 6:59 AM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

do u still need the contact no??? where do u live??? if u wan i try to find for u...


PlaTo
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Dec 17, 2004, 6:34 PM


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Re: [babegal] American Pit Bull Terrier

yes of course...i'll be better if i just ring up da guy...u know.thanks man..Smile


babegal
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Dec 18, 2004, 4:17 AM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

try this....012-3999933 Tan...

dunno still got or not...


Kevin Chuan
ALPHA


Dec 23, 2004, 8:56 PM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi... APBT and AST are almost the same... different is... APBT are breed for dog fighting and AST (American Staffordshire Terrier) are breed for showline.

Currently I'm having a female AST and I will be getting another male on next year January. Interested in know more on this breed can drop me a mail or call - (Kevin) jayjcsk@


Edmund Lee
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Jan 2, 2005, 3:58 AM


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Re: [Kevin Chuan] American Pit Bull Terrier

hi... i got a news for who are looking for american pit bull terrier. you can log-on to www.adpost.com under malaysia classified pets FOR SALE / ADOPTION: American Pitbull puppy. for any information about this dog.


Chiayi
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Jan 13, 2005, 10:18 PM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hello,

Pit bulls are great dogs, a true dog lover will understand how special this breed is. If you want a pure breed, I do know one dog breeder in Penang. He sells champion bloodline dogs. I just got a puppy from him and there is another puppy available (Male). You can contact Yang (the breeder's name at 0124055727 if you are really interested - the dogs are quite pricy but the doggies are really worth it because of their genetics and less chances of getting any genetic diseases) Have a nice day!


Raphael
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Mar 5, 2005, 7:42 AM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier


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Pitbulls are bred to fight, their natural instinct is to kill the other dog, so to stop the pitbull from fighting is to deprive it from it's natural love...........

i seriously doubt that you know what you are talking about,BUT,anyway,you are very wrong in what you saying,honestly
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tuckfook
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Mar 5, 2005, 9:29 PM


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Re: [Raphael] American Pit Bull Terrier

Please elaborate how am I wrong ?

Please also qualify yourself, how many pit bulls have you had ? I would love to be corrected !

Thank you. I've switched to Beagles !


Raphael
Dog Kichi


Mar 5, 2005, 10:54 PM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

unfortunatly,in a country that blindly copy england in banning(thanx to ppl with irresponsible views like you),it is a waste of time to correct anyone,as harm is already done,so dont expect any further reply from me

but,can you tell me how come the other dogs in this pic are still alive?

p.s your current dog breed WILL be on the BSL list,,its just a matter of time,wait and see,so maybe you wanna change to keeping rabbits and hamsters?
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tuckfook
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Mar 6, 2005, 6:24 AM


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Re: [Raphael] American Pit Bull Terrier

I don't know which country you are in but in Malaysia, many have been able to keep pitbulls before and now. If there is a ban, I certainly cannot see any signs of it.

Dogs as with most animals can be conditioned to accept "friends" ! If you really know dogs, your question would not have arisen.

I have kept 4 pitbulls together and often they had fights too. I use an electrocutor to separate them. Nevertherless one eventually was killed by the younger dog. The main problem is that they will kill other dogs on the streets. ie. not conditioned as "friends". It is embarassing, for me anyway, to have amny of my neighbours' dogs killed by my pets.

There is nothing irresponsible about discussing any dog trait, in fact it is quite the contrary.

There are many people who do not understand dogs yet and as such the more experienced should give advice, welcome or not. It is a civic duty.

One major point is that APB does not need to be trained to be killers of other dogs whereas most other breeds need to be specifically trained. Training an APB consists of strengthening the dog for fights and improving it's stamina and agility.

An APB usually requires some training to be guard dogs or attack dogs ie. against humans. Even so trained, throw in another dog and you'll have free unhindered access.

I have now successfully trained a few APB and crosses with Boxers for hunting. They are good at tracking and chasing but unfortunately they do not bark much. They tend to attack the boars which results in injuries to the dogs. In fact I'll be testing a few more new APB mix in the jungles of Mahang, Perak tomorrow. Care to observe ?

There is also a dog fight going on tomorrow on the hill slopes, just outside of Georgetown. Someone is bringing an Akita at about 40lbs. matched with APB at about 35lbs. Good stakes involved. A fight until owner submits.

Having seen a few APB fights, I'm reluctant to see another. I don't like to see my dogs hurt. I've stitched a few together and put a few to sleep too.

For the benefit of all potential APB owners, if you cannot handle it don't do it !

Tuckfook.


groovemaster
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Mar 7, 2005, 9:33 PM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hv 2 agree with Raphael here. Dont own any PBT but a JRT n he got along pretty well with a PBT he only just met at a training ground, with d owner’s close supervision. I feel dat any dog (PBT included) can b bred 2 live well with deir family, even with kids n other dogs n hv seen instances of it. Of course, it‘ll mean a great deal of time, effort, patience n conditioning as u put it.

Obviously, ur conditioning methods leave a lot 2 b desired with ur neighbours’ n own dogs ending up in d same gruesome fate. Embarrassment is d least of ur worries, mate.

I think it’s a poor pretext 2 use d dog’s natural instincts n ability as a means 2 justify ur actions n needs ie. thrill 4 dogfights, injury n possibly death, fuelled by personal bets on d side. Do u mean a very well trained n obedient PBT will attack any dog without d slightest provocation whatsoever from d owner/animal/environment? Even d wildest animals need a purpose b4 dey go on a hunt n kill an animal eg. 4 food/ self preservation.

Just cant comprehend ur ideal dat it’s a different type of love for dogs ven u send ur own dog out 2 a fight till death over some wager. Pls dont blame d PBT ven u know very well where d fault lies. If u r not willing 2 domesticate ur dog, den why bring 1 home in d 1st place? If u take it upon urself 2 own such a wonderful animal, den u owe it 2 ur PBT 2 give him d proper guidance n affection 2 b at ease in all environments. Of course, if u r breeding dem 4 hunting boars, den its a different ballgame alltogether.

Certainly, advise from an experienced owner is always welcomed but not ven it pertains 2 d promotion of dogfights.

If I hd d means, I wld like 2 hv a PBT but not 4 d reasons u hv mentioned. Violence begets violence…n d world is a much sadder place bcoz of it.

Groovy (JRT), ‘Hey, cant v just b friends?’
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tuckfook
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Mar 8, 2005, 5:28 AM


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Re: [groovemaster] American Pit Bull Terrier

Very interesting what you have said.

Firstly, Don't forget that a PBT was bred to Fight. It is therefore natural for it to fight ! The history of this breed tells all. Needs no provocation ! If it needed an excuse to fight it is not true to breed!

Similarly, there are many dogs bred specifically for a purpose, hence we have gundogs, retreivers, guard dogs, sheep dogs etc.

Any dog can be trained to do the opposite of it's instincts but remember that it may revert back to it's instincts when it matters most.

Human nature is such that people want to "domesticate " animals and as such try to make them do un-natural things A prime example would be trained Lions and Tigers and other circus animals.

Not all "re trained " animals are suitable as pets, eg. could you trust a circus Tiger under all circumstances ?

We are discussing a PBT as a pet, though it may be trained against it's instincts, it may one day, under suitable conditions, revert back to it's instincts. Therefore my advice is, if you can't handle it then don't do it !

I do not advocate dog fights but for the sake of knowledge, I have been to a few. I tell about it because it is gruesome and hope that others will be suitably informed.

Most PBT owners in Malaysia, keep them for fights. Many pet type PBT owners give up their pets when they become uncontrollable, which is why the variuos SPCAs will usually destroy them instead of offering them for adoption.

There are people who have managed to keep PBT successfully as domestic pets but the numbers are small and the risk is especially high.

The PBT is a famous King of dogs and many people like to keep them, in a way to associate themselves with this breed ! Unfortunately these very people are usually new to dogs and usually clueless about genetics.

Ask any reputable kennel owner, and you'll probably get the same as I have expressed.

A dog owner must understand the breed that he/she is keeping instead of trying to mould the pet pyscologically, to the owners' ideals. If they really want to do the moulding, then try breeding dogs to their ideals.

Tuckfook.


groovemaster
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Mar 10, 2005, 1:54 AM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

If u go back 2 ur previous threads, there may hv bn statements made which seem contradictory 2 ur stance dat u arent an advocate of dog fights…but will give u d benefit of d doubt.

Just wanna highlight dat similar dog breeds eg. Bull Terriers n Staffordshire Bull Terriers (UK specs) were also originally bred for bull baiting n pit fights n dese terriers hv bn, through selective breeding, brought down 2 a level considered reliable pets, particularly d Bull Terriers. D Staffordshire Terriers (UK specs), whilst many r domesticated pets, may still get in2 fights n r only suitable 4 owners with equal tenacity.

As 4 d Staffordshire Bull Terriers (US specs)/PBT, dey still hv a long way 2 go, no thanks 2 irresponsible breeders n owners who continue 2 encourage d aggressive tendencies in d breed. U r right dat it has 2 start with d breeders but owners shld begin 2 shoulder some of d responsibilities as well.

If u visit Western countries, dont b surprised 2 c such terriers hanging out with deir owners, sometimes off leash at d parks/beach/farms, running, playing n having a good time generally n dey dont appear 2 b any less contented from fighting terriers.

Hunting is fair game for dogs…pit fights r not.

Groovy (JRT), ‘Think there is some JRT blood in d PBT makeup as well… tenacity aka.stubbornness.’
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tuckfook
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Mar 10, 2005, 5:55 AM


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Re: [groovemaster] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi,

Most people have never seen a pit bull fight, and will probably never ever ! Where there is money, there will always be dog fights. If you have never seen a PB fight then it is very difficult to visualise it.

Dog fights are still prevalent in US, UK, and many so called civilised countries. As with cock fights in Asia !

I believe(personal) that each breed has it's merits and I will try to pick a suitable breed for it's merits. This is quite contrary to many who pick pets out of looks and then try to modify their instincts/behaviours .

I want a tenacious breed with a good nose,good bark but not a fighter to the death. In Australia, pitbulls are mixed with other breeds to get a good hunting dog that will fight a wild boar and bring the boar down. This unfortunately will not work in the thick jungles of Malaysia and the boar will often get the better of a brave dog.

Yes, the JRT is a possible line mixed with Beagle to get the hound's nose and bark with the agility and tenacity of the JRT. That's my next project.

Yes, many dogs have been bred for their pet qualities but original looks.....that is if your emphasis is on a pet. My feeling is " What good is a Sheep dog that does not herd Sheep " ? Urban society has become such that pets are used to satisfy their owners' ego. Just like small people driving huge 4WD that never leave the city : )

If you don't want an agressive dog then don't get an agressive breed ! Sorry to have to say this but I am very anti people who keep dogs not suitable for their environment ! ie Pit bulls, Rottweilers, GSD etc. in houses with unsuitably small compounds, Beagles, JRT etc in apartments - the list goes on. Let's be fair to the dogs' instincts and requirements, as I'm sure we would not want to be "caged" up similarly.

It is particularly annoying as I see extremes here, like Huskies and St.Bernards in non A/c houses ! The SPCA should get them for cruelty to their pets.

BTW not advocating dog fights does not mean condemning dog fights. Just food for thought, a PBT loves to fight so would stopping them from fighting be cruel ?

Tuckfook.


groovemaster
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Mar 11, 2005, 1:14 AM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Dog fights = grave injury n possibly death 2 both animals. If u hv a better definition of cruelty, pls amuse me.

U dont need PBTs 4 a dogfight. Place 2 fairly dominant n aggressive male JRTs in a pit environment with no avenue 4 retreat, egged on by deir owners n d crowd n u’ll hv an equally bloody battle. But nobody wants 2 watch a featherweight fight, everybody wants 2 c d heavyweights…so let’s bring in d PBTs! It’s not so much bout d breed but d big fights n d bloodier, d better. It’s never bout d breed but more 2 ‘satisfy d owner’s ego’, as u put it.

There’s nothing natural bout d PBT’s affiliation with fights. D PBT’s make up is from a myriad selection of breeds, carefully selected n bred n cultivated by man 2 b aggressive. It’s man made aggressiveness. Nothing against aggressive dogs as long as owners can find proper avenues 4 dem 2 flex deir muscle n energy eg. hunts, Schutzhund events.

Guess v’ll never know if d PBT prefers watching Animal Planet on Astro, sun bathing on d beach or catching frisbees in d park as opposed 2 lining up 4 a fight till death…ever tried 2 get in2 d psyche of a PBT n ask him wat he really prefers doing b4 putting him in a pit? He doesnt hv a choice, but u do.

Groovy (JRT), ‘I think Bull Terriers r pretty cool…funny face tho’
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tuckfook
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Mar 11, 2005, 2:30 AM


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Re: [groovemaster] American Pit Bull Terrier

Deprivation is a form of cruelty !

You obviously know how a dog wags it's tail when it is happy, well, PB will do that just before engagement. In an open space where it can run, it'll choose to fight instead of running. They do not yelp in pain and quite often tails wag during the fight.

PB is in an open class where all comers are taken. Rott. at over double the weight of PB will be brought down in seconds.

Yes, dogfights are very much to satisfy the owners' ego which is why they are often prepared to bet all their money.

Because of blood and injury even death, we deem it cruel, I agree. Thoroughbred horses will keep running until they collapse and die, which is why a jockey has to pace the horse and then stop it after the race. Human greed is the true cruelty. We watch two people pound each other in the head and call it a sport !

The PBT breed is all about killer instincts towards other dogs, it should have no place as a pet. Many potential PB owners like to associate with this breed not knowning the dangers involved.

When you have kept a PB you'll find that it tries it's best to get into a fight. Climbing 6ft chain link fences is no deterrent. Waking up after an electric jolt, it'll look for the other dog to fight again. Believe me, there is probably no other more agressive dog breed on this planet.

BTW, the reason why we do not use PBT for hunting is that they try to take on wild boars, often 5 times it's weight, with 2 razor sharp fangs and a hide tougher than car tyres, on top of that in the Boar's home ground ! Often critically injured, they will want to go again.

Tuckfook.


groovemaster
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Mar 11, 2005, 8:52 PM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Certainly amusing, so v hv somehow come full circle n reverted 2 d oldest n most reliable method of analyzing a dog’s behavior…tail wagging. Wagging tails doesnt always mean a dog is happy or friendly. Dogs wag deir tails ven dey r overexcited or over stimulated as well. Some wag ven unsure, apprehensive n wish 2 submit 2 a bigger dog. Some wag even ven dey c a stranger. Some even wag in d hope of pacifying a ferocious dog. Some wag ven dey receive mixed signals from deir owners…‘Hey boss, wat r u trying 2 say ah, can u stop using those monosyllabic commands n be a bit more articulate.’

If ur PBTs no longer hunt, what do u do in order 2 keep dem occupied ie. 2 flex deir muscles n energy.

Groovy (JRT), ‘I wag ven I see lovely ladies on d street…its a pity I cant whistle.’
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tuckfook
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Mar 12, 2005, 8:51 PM


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Re: [groovemaster] American Pit Bull Terrier

You gotta be able to tell the type of wag a dog makes ! There are happy one, nervous ones, unsure ones etc. Well, I've had dogs for over 25yrs so I guess I can tell to a certain extent. Even from the eyes and facial expression and body posture I can make a good guess. It'll be quite tideous and difficult to describe though.

My pure PB are now all retired or buried. Now trying PB x Boxer for hunting. Waiting for the next line, Beagle x PB x Boxer. Hopefully I can also get Beagle x JRT.


Raphael
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Mar 14, 2005, 7:11 AM


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Re: [groovemaster] American Pit Bull Terrier

groovemaster
i really didnt want to reply anymore,and i wont

you are trying to blow a baloon with a big hole in it(wasting time),u can see very clearly that he will change his words in a blink,and run around in circles,he will not apologies..even if he knows he is wrong,and will jump from a topic to another,insisting on the instinct thingy,which researches done by midical and behavior experts have proven that its a myth full of sh!tt,its a myth only used by two groups

1-ppl who have no idea what they talking about

2-ppl who have sick minds to put two dogs to kill one another

groovemaster ,,i have enjoyed reading what you wrote(((please write in bigger letters next time)))and hope to see more of your realistic posts and advices
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groovemaster
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Mar 14, 2005, 10:46 PM


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Re: [Raphael] American Pit Bull Terrier

Sorry 2 hv 2 drag u back in2 d thread but thanks 4 d support anyway. He being an experienced PBT owner is allowed 2 hv his own opinions. His being a passion for d PBT’s fighting n maiming abilities, ours 4 d preservation of d breed. D public will hv 2 make deir own informed decision on d matter.

Just 1 final word of caution 4 all prospective PBT owners. D PBT is a mighty animal n its domain shld only b restricted 2 d privilege of a select few owners, those of great tenacity 2 handle d breed…n those with equal intelligence 2 match dat of d breed.

Giv dem d respect dey rightfully deserve.

Groovy, ‘I think PBTs r pretty cool…funny face tho.’
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tuckfook
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Mar 16, 2005, 12:39 AM


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Re: [groovemaster] American Pit Bull Terrier


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Just 1 final word of caution 4 all prospective PBT owners. D PBT is a mighty animal n its domain shld only b restricted 2 d privilege of a select few owners, those of great tenacity 2 handle d breed…n those with equal intelligence 2 match dat of d breed.

Giv dem d respect dey rightfully deserve. You said it right ! Know what you are getting into. The PBT is not everyone's pet !

Raphael contradicts himself and insults others without reason - hey Moderator where are you ? Anyway there is no need to go down to that level.

We are discussing dogs and we have our experiences and also learn from the experience of others. Facts and research speak for themselves.


Rishi
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Apr 15, 2005, 5:16 AM


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Re: [Chiayi] American Pit Bull Terrier

That is nice to see some pit bull lovers here.

many are saying something good and some bad about this pit bull.

many who said about bad about pit bull are never own a pit bull. I hope if the pit bull owners

can send some of their pit bull pictures here will be nice to see.

I have heard some where..." You are not welcome to the heaven untill ur pit bulls welcome u"

I new to this forum.


Rishi
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Apr 15, 2005, 5:26 AM


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Re: [Edmund Lee] American Pit Bull Terrier


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hi... i got a news for who are looking for american pit bull terrier. you can log-on to www.adpost.com under malaysia classified pets FOR SALE / ADOPTION: American Pitbull puppy. for any information about this dog.



Hello,

Do any one here know when did the pit bull was banned here.... some says 5 yrs ago, some said 15 yrs ago. Do any one here know ????


Chiayi
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Apr 15, 2005, 7:55 AM


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Re: [Rishi] American Pit Bull Terrier

hi rishi! if u dun mind giving me ur email, i can send pictures of APBT's for u to see how they look like.. take care!


Chiayi
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Apr 15, 2005, 8:47 AM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Pit bulls make great and good pets, yes they have a place as a pet and they are really good at it not just fight in pits. Pit bulls are also dogs, don't make it sound like they are monsters who are all out to kill. For goodness sake, pit bulls are not born just to fight and bite in matches, that so called killer instinct is cultivated and encouraged by owners who like to put their dogs in pits for them to fight so people can bet. If you raised a pit bull to be aggresive of course you will get a winner in the end, just like any other dogs, even if you raised a miniature poodle to be aggresive, it will be aggresive too. It's how you raised your dogs when they are young, just like humans. Prize money in dog matches can be really be lucrative thus of course some people can sleep at nite not thinking about their dogs getting hurt or inflict pain on other dogs but they are just thinking bout the cash involve. Once anyone who has ever have a pit bull for a pet, (I have 3 pitbulls) they will know how much a pitbull can love and protect their owners till death. They would not give up loving and protecting you till their last breath. So dun manipulate their real instinct that is to love us humans so much and make them fight. The bond of love is so strong that the pit bulls will do anything to please their owner and that include getting attention and love in return if they fight and win in matches for their owners. Now tell me isn't that the real cruelty exploiting the love of a dog for his human that just wants to use the dog as a tool for the ego which is downright to it is for the money! Some people are in real denial. How could anyone take pleasure if they really love their dogs to watch them suffer and be in pain during fights? Yes the adrenaline must be pumping hard but the aftermath, the injuries are real. Pit bulls are not immuned to pain. Yes pitbulls are agrresive because they are so aggresive to own his/her owner's love in return. If anyone who ever loved a dog or any other creature, they will know how it feels like to look into the eyes of his/her dog to see the unconditional love that exist in their hearts for us. Dun make them fight, they are just animals, they dunno better only thinking to please us out of love, we humans not just should but must know better...


Rishi
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Apr 15, 2005, 8:19 PM


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Re: [Chiayi] American Pit Bull Terrier


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hi rishi! if u dun mind giving me ur email, i can send pictures of APBT's for u to see how they look like.. take care!



Hello,

Thanks, will love to see the pictures


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tuckfook
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Apr 15, 2005, 10:54 PM


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Re: [Chiayi] American Pit Bull Terrier

I must say you have a very romantic understanding of dogs and dog breeds !

Remember many specific breeds were bred for specific purposes in the first place ! Don't get that confused with what happens long long after ! I think you have everything the wrong way round.

Of course you can have pit bulls as pets and they do make good pets BUT FAIL PIT BULLS ! Which is why they are often called pet APBT. As with GSD etc. you can have pets, work dogs or show dogs. Make that distinction and it will be better understood.

As for instincts, even pets have their instincts bred into them for many many generations, which is why it is difficult to breed to get rid of the dogs' wolf instincts. When under pressure, the dog will always revert to their well hidden instincts which is why they may become dangerous.

The rottweiler attacking the poor boy recently or the past incidences with dogs attacking people are all examples of dogs' instincts.

Your comparison with a poodle, don't dream ! a good APBT will kill a any Great dane, Boxer, GSD, Rottweiler, all bigger dogs, in a very short time. Just remember that the APBT was specifically bred !

Yes people are mercenary and love to make money, even at the expense of their dogs. That happens in dogs racing, Horse racing, fish fighting etc. None are any less cruel.

Just try to understand human instincts too especially your own for one day you might just need it to survive.

Tuckfook


Chiayi
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Apr 16, 2005, 12:25 AM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

I see you are an expert, you win, yep you're right about everything. I just love my dogs and it's nothing romantic. You have your points in your argument, good points even. I hope ure not crossed with my passionate post about APBT's, I meant no disrespect to your professionalism. I also hope your dogs win in every competition and won't get too injured. Good luck with the cross breeding. I know you're not a bad guy, you may just want the best gene for your dogs. My dogs' are from a champion bloodline but I will not train them to fight though. Anyway have a nice day! Tata!


Rishi
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Apr 16, 2005, 2:37 AM


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Hi Chiayi,

Lovely dogs you have .. nice to know you .. Ya !

it is nice to see each others here,

I'm new to here would like others members can they send some of their dogs pictures to me.

Cool


tuckfook
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Apr 16, 2005, 5:57 AM


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Re: [Chiayi] American Pit Bull Terrier

hi,

Just to reiterate, I do not fight(train or allow) dogs but have seen dog fights. I do not like what I see but who am I to tell other owners what to do.

My fear after keeping several APBT is that they are very good at killing my neighbours' dogs. Sure they will stop when I yell but I'm not always there.

I've crossed them with boxers, bull terriers and Thai Ridgebacks for 3 generations and yet I produce hunting dogs that make my heart pound whenever they fight the wild boars. I have yet to produce a hunting dog from these that will not fight a wild boar. My next cross will hopefully be with the Beagle and then maybe I'll get a dog that will run the boars down, barking all the way without trying to fight with the wild boar. The latest batch do not fight amongst themselves or other dogs but they still think they can be a match to the wild boar.

Take care of your dogs. They can be great pets, just be on the lookout !

Tuckfook.


Chiayi
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Apr 16, 2005, 7:33 AM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Well i guess there a mistake was made in thinking that ure a breeder that likes to put their dogs in fights. Crazy See when everyone calms down bout this whole issue, everything can be real pleasant Sly and yes everyone has their own opinion on the subject of apbt's fighting in pits. Anyway i am glad ure not one of those that put their dogs in pits to fight!

Hunting? You take them hunting? Where? You are very experienced in cross breeding huh, do u have like a kennel or something? Anyway hope u have a nice weekend with ur dogs! tata


Rishi
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Apr 16, 2005, 7:58 AM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi tuck fook,

Nice to know u from the forum...

How many pit bulls do u keep now ?

From Rishi


tuckfook
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Apr 17, 2005, 6:02 AM


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Re: [Rishi] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi,

I now have no pure bred APBT.

I started with 4 APBT which I crossed initially with Thai Ridgeback to have 8 which we used for hunting. Not very good results as they retained much of the fighting traits so were badly injured quite often by the boars.

At the same time I tried cross with Bull terrier and the offsprings were as fierce as the pure APBT.

Then I crossed with Boxers which produced again similarly agressive dogs. I then crossed the mix with Boxers again and that produced a more "cowardly" breed but then some were still quite agressive.

My plan is to use the current generation to cross with the Beagle. Am keeping 2 bitches for that purpose and all the rest are actively hunting. Will have to artificially inseminate because of the size difference between dog and bitch.

I'm not a breeder by profession but only out of interest in hunting, I'm trying to breed a dog good for our forests. In Australia, APBT crosses with similar dogs are quite suitable as they have open forests but they quite often provide a " suit of Armour" for their dogs.

All in, I guess we have had about 35 APBT crosses since I started 8 years ago. Thats a lot of dogs to feed. Most of our hunting dogs are just the common mongrel which eats far less but then they are not good at cornering a boar, they chase quite well though but give up when it gets hot !

There has never been any change in my stance with APBTs perhaps my english is not good enough, and others misunderstand me. In any case, I feel obliged to warn people of keeping APBT as I've seen mine destroy my neighbours' dogs, for which I paid dearly and feel very sorry for even now, after 8 years.

Tuckfook.


Rishi
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Apr 18, 2005, 8:08 PM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi Tuck Fook,

Look like you are a hunting man...

I have seen a Australia web site, for hunting they used pitbull cross with other breeds.

I think that is what you are trying to do it..... Your goal is to produce a good hunting dogs.

From,

Rishi


tuckfook
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Apr 18, 2005, 8:30 PM


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Re: [Rishi] American Pit Bull Terrier

A shortcut to my goal would be to have someone offer me a Beagle x APBT or Beagle x JRT ....Any offers ?



Tuckfook.


Rishi
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Apr 18, 2005, 8:42 PM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi Tuck Fook

In future you are going to be a famous man for producing hunting dogs...

One side dogs are biting people lah.... so may be government be coming after the oweners.

many years ago dog bite people... no problem .... now seem to be in difficult situation.. fall down after a dog

chase still some may says the dog bite..... Now got to be more careful keeping dogs.

Tuck Fook... I assume your dogs only look for animals to hunt .. You do not have a problem... hahaha


ERN
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Apr 20, 2005, 2:06 AM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi Tuck Fook

Just for my curiosity,

If I mix Male APBT with Female Boxer, how is the offspring looks like, male & female.

What if the otherway, Female APBT + Male Boxer?

t.q.

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Apr 20, 2005, 6:22 AM


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Re: [ERN] American Pit Bull Terrier

hi,

All my dogs have been APBT and the bitches Boxers. The female APBT is sometimes too fierce for a boxer to handle !

It is very difficult to determine before hand what the results will be like as I've had mixed results. Most dominant will be the APBT colors and white patch on the chest. Large head is usual. The square snout is not always present in the cross and the Boxer's short and smallish snout is quite dominant.

Most annoying is the under shot jaw of the boxer ! This jaw structure is not good for a good hunting dog and it is a dominant feature. easily passed on from the boxer. This is such a dominant feature that even with 3rd. gen. crosses, both parents and grandparents without this under shot jaw, it sometimes appears again.

As the bodies of both are quite similar in many ways, you can expect the size and shape to be the same as the parents.

The legs and paws of the boxer is usually bigger and heavier than the APBT and I've had a few with this feature.

Temperament wise, the APBT characteristics are quite well maintained throughout, bearing in mind that the boxer has also similar traits.

Sorry I cannot be of much help, maybe next week I'll post pictures of my star dogs.

Tuckfook.


ERN
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May 18, 2005, 12:53 AM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi Tuck Fook

based on the look, can you enlighten me on how to differentiate the following 3 breeds;

1. Staffordshire Bull Terrier

2. American Pit Bull

3. American Staffordshire Terrier

t.q.

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tuckfook
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May 18, 2005, 2:07 AM


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Re: [ERN] American Pit Bull Terrier

http://www.apbtconformation.com/

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/...canstaffordshire.htm

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm

These sites should give you all the necessary points. In general though, The APBT looks less heavily set than the AST though at a glance both are similar.

The ENGLISH Staffordshire Terrier is almost totally different.

http://www.dogbiz.com/...taff-bt/staff-bt.htm

Tuckfook.


ERN
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May 18, 2005, 5:58 PM


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Re: [tuckfook] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi Tuck Fook

The APBT is a great site to view. T.q.v.m.

After went through these sites, found that Staffordshire Bull Terier muzzle look shorter, am I right?

However still cannot differentiate AST vs APBT, study many pictures from internet, they are exactly the same?? Please pin point the places that make them different. Will you help?

Very hard got the chance to see these 3 breeds stand side by side, oterwise this will be the best tips.

t.q.v.m.

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May 18, 2005, 7:11 PM


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Re: [ERN] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi,

I have had only one encounter with a AST and APBT together. Both are similar in height and length but the AST is heavy looking. Like a Rottweiler looks heavy !

The APBT is usually lighter built but both are similarly muscular. This makes the APBT look like it has an unusually big head. Of course a fat APBT can look like a AST from afar but then you can tell fat from muscle.

The Muzzles are both very similar with the APBT looking more square being slightly broader. Both have similarly muscular jaws and jaw structure.

A big heavy "pit bull" usually turns out to be an AST. The AST being a recognised breed has to conform to standards unlike the APBT.

In my opinion, the AST is the better looking of the two as the APBT looks more like a mongrel with a big head !

In action, the APBT is more agile than the AST. The APBT comes in many colour variations.

Tuckfook.


ERN
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May 18, 2005, 8:20 PM


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HI

So that is no "Obvious" differences between them from their appearance. Only ppl with experience with both breeds able to do so. So when goverment banned APBT, AST has to be banned also. Too bad for AST.

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Re: [ERN] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi,

LOL,,,,,the authorities can't tell the diff if you import a AST, APBT, Boxer, Bull terrier, or many other similar dogs at the puppy stage. That is if you have to go through the proper channels.

As for the ban, who is enforcing it ? AFAIK The only person(s) acting as vigilante for the ban is a certain vet in Penang who will destroy any APBT they come across whilst giving treatment !

There are many people still bringing in APBT thru Thailand.

Temperament wise, I don't think the AST will be much different from the APBT as they come from similar lineage.

Tuckfook.


ERN
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May 19, 2005, 10:44 PM


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You wrote "As for the ban, who is enforcing it ? AFAIK The only person(s) acting as vigilante for the ban is a certain vet in Penang who will destroy any APBT they come across whilst giving treatment ! "Shocked


Do you mean these vet will destroy our dog if we bring our dog there for treatment??Shocked How can they do that? They inject something quitely ah? Shi Pek Yao Shiou! boycot these vet

government ban the dog with the condition no import, but whatever ppl have will continue at die down basis right? then got question can they breed? I dont thing it is an offends rite?

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tuckfook
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Re: [ERN] American Pit Bull Terrier

Unfortunately it is not easy o boycot a vet as this particular vet is popular. Remember not everyone is for the keeping of APBT !Yes, the APBT are probably injected with poison as the vet usually recommends a hospital stay for the dog and the next day it is dead.

May be considered unethical by some but as far as the vet is concerned, he's doing a civic duty. Anyway, APBT owners do not go to him anymore.

I know of people who have imported APBT pups recently. Maybe kopi duit I dunno. Many good fighting dogs have been bred in Malaysia so there is no shortage of APBT here.

I really do not know what conditions the ban is for APBT or if there is a ban or not. Sometimes just talk and local SPCA make belief that there is a ban. When I had 7 APBT nobody came round to summons me or anything except Majlis Perbandaraan came to collect dog license fee.


ERN
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May 24, 2005, 5:01 PM


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Hi Tuck Fook

I remember the ban is in end 80s when a APBT killed a guy/old lady [cant remember which] in Singapore. Malaysia suddenly included the breed in the banned list. I am not sure was there any publicity.

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tuckfook
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May 24, 2005, 6:26 PM


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Re: [ERN] American Pit Bull Terrier

Yes, I remember the talk about the ban, similarly with Rottweilers. I do not see any action with regards to the ban though.

Maybe the lack of enforcement or follow thru is good for us dog lovers.


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May 24, 2005, 11:06 PM


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Hi tuckfook,

U from Penang?



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ERN
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May 24, 2005, 11:10 PM


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Aiyah Peng Yu

I think Tuck Fook kulim lang lai leh, Yi tee Kulim Pak Suah Too. Lu lang siang kampung eh.

Tuck Fook, Am I right?

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Aiyah Peng Yu

I think Tuck Fook kulim lang lai leh, Yi tee Kulim Pak Suah Too. Lu lang siang kampung eh.

Tuck Fook, Am I right?

Wu??? Kulim lang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ka gin kai siau wa pat, wa ai kua E A PT!!!!



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ERN
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May 24, 2005, 11:25 PM


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Thong kim yi boh pure APBT liow lah. Yi cham kah pak leh breed liow loh.

Yi choh research cham APBT other to facilitate yi pak shua too.

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May 25, 2005, 12:08 AM


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Hahaha....pak shua too better bring king of terrier coz E A bark mah....

PB seldom bark even lawan time....



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tuckfook
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May 25, 2005, 7:32 PM


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Ha Ha Ha LOL

I am from Penang, hunting dogs kept in Sg. Kob (near Kulim) and hunting around areas from Kulim to upper Perak(Ijok)

Yes, no more pure APBT for me. I fear for my neighbours' dogs. In my house(Penang), I have 5 beagles, 2 boxer x PBT

Good guess, almost right, very close.

Am Looking for Fox Terrier....any have a bitch to go ? Free is best otherwise can compensate. Must not be spayed.

Anyone want to train a Beagle for show ? I have one with potential.

Tuckfook.


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May 25, 2005, 7:45 PM


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Sg Kob arrr??!!! I near there ler...hunting Sua too is OK, dun hunting kena wa..hahahha...

Ehh...u go Sg Kob eat fish or not? got 1 or 2 fish restaurants there....

Waww...5 beagle arr!!!! How is the look Boxer x PBT? can send pics?

you looking for fox terrier hah? let me check for you in B'worth. BTW wat is your contact number?



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May 25, 2005, 8:37 PM


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Hi peng yu

Good tuck fook got the boxer+APBT mixed, so you can see the result and you can do that too.

but..

Lu ei APBT so heong, before your boxer got the chance to touch her, kena bite leow. after that beh chor kang, boh kao kia keow.

Peng yu, wa ei tour changed leow, so maybe can not goback on 11-12 June, should be 18-19 June leh. Dun know yet. Very sorry. Will tell you later.

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May 26, 2005, 1:14 AM


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Hahaha...like this dun dare to breed my PB with boxer lor..coz I only got 1 nice male boxer mah...if E beh chor kang, then cham liaooooooUnimpressed

Wor??!! change schedule liao....u inform Kevin boo??



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May 26, 2005, 1:56 AM


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ah boy kok leh. boy confirm teow.

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May 26, 2005, 2:52 AM


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Re: [glng675] American Pit Bull Terrier

Both digital cameras in the repair shop. Looking at your photos,( of your dog ) my 2 mth old puppy is almost the same as yours except the face is not anywhere near as wrinkled. FYI mine is 2 generation. ie pitbull x Boxer = 1st gen. cross "BxPb" BxPb 1 cross BxPb2 produced this 2nd gen pup.

Can take photo with phone tomorrow and I'll send by MMS to your phone if your like. Pls. give me your number. Otherwise can send to email. Email address pls.

Sg. Kob fish ? I know the fish breeders there. Not so appetising when you see what the fish get fed. Anyway, I eat sometimes, but prefer salt water fish.

Tuckfook.


ERN
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May 26, 2005, 5:20 PM


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Hi Tuck Fook

You cross BxPb1 + BxPb2,

Is BxPb1 and BxPb2 from the same litter, means they are brother and sister? am i correct to use the term "inbreeding"? will this cause any defect on the litter? sometime I encounter this theory in internet, but I am not sure whether it is true.

If they are from the same sire but different dams and the dams are from the same litter, is this considered as inbreeding, will it produce defective litter? How about if the dams are from the different litter with no connection at all.

How about the other way, they are from the same dam but diffrent sires, and the sires are from diffrent litter? how about if the sires are from the same litter?

I also wonder, whether the animal in the wild mates among the sibling.

THis is just purely my curiousity and please not to be deemed as contention. Sincerely. Can you enlightern me, since you are experience in this area.

t.q.

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May 26, 2005, 5:22 PM


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Mine wan Mxxs 495. 3908 or at msn .

ohh..face also can wrinkle like boxer hah!! BxPB kena dock tail or not?

Ya lar...I know what they fed to the fish..not so appetize, u are right! But still many ppls go there ler with their big car.

Other than hunting Sua Too, is there any other animals kena hunt? such as deer....



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May 26, 2005, 7:29 PM


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In breeding does bring out the worst as well as the best, with all the in betweens !

If parents have a bad or unwanted factor then the chances of this bad or unwanted factor may appear in their cross. The same holds for if the ancestry of the dogs to be mated have an unwanted factor, then their offsprings can possibly have this unwanted trait.

This is why, inbreeding is not recommended for most people.

A specialist breeder may choose dogs with traits that are wanted, irrespective of whether they are siblings or not. The results may not be pleasing but the converse holds and you may have exactly what you aimed for. In any case, a long time ago in Germany, it was established that you will probably have a mixture so you have to be prepared to cull the ones with the unwanted traits, cruel as it may seem but thats how all the different breeds were established.

In nature, survival takes care of the culling. All animals will mate with their siblings.

A wild dog may be a specific species and their offsprings will be almost a clone, so inbreeding will not affect it that much. Most of our breeds are hybrids ie. with a mixture of genes from different species so it contains both wanted and unwanted genes.

There are dominant genes and others not as strong. If a wanted factor comes from non dominant gene then careful inbreeding may produce a dog with that wanted trait but without the dominant factor overcovering it. But be prepared for a lot of culling! Eg black colour will dominate. surprisingly a pointed snout dominates.

With modern genetic studies, we will soon be able to identify genes with specific traits so dog breeds could be better planned. Right now, we rely on the dogs' family tree. If a bad gene exists in one side but does not show for several generations is crossed with another that again does not show this defect but also carries this gene, the chances of this defect showing up becomes very high. Invisible until the puppy is born. When you cross a specific breed, even though both parents come from different ends of the universe, it is inbreeding but because the gene pool is so large, the chances of 2 similar genes, which are not showing on the parents, getting together in the offspring will be extremely small.

So in specialised breeding you have to be prepared for the worst ! APBT and Boxers are from different breeds so usually inbreeding for a few generations is quite safe. Mine are from different sires and dams.

Tuckfook.


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In Reply To
Hi Tuck Fook

You cross BxPb1 + BxPb2,

Is BxPb1 and BxPb2 from the same litter, means they are brother and sister? am i correct to use the term "inbreeding"? will this cause any defect on the litter? sometime I encounter this theory in internet, but I am not sure whether it is true.

If they are from the same sire but different dams and the dams are from the same litter, is this considered as inbreeding, will it produce defective litter? How about if the dams are from the different litter with no connection at all.

How about the other way, they are from the same dam but diffrent sires, and the sires are from diffrent litter? how about if the sires are from the same litter?

I also wonder, whether the animal in the wild mates among the sibling.

THis is just purely my curiousity and please not to be deemed as contention. Sincerely. Can you enlightern me, since you are experience in this area.

t.q.



Ehhhh....GOOD questions!!!!!!

This is what I want to know long time ago...but I cant get the answer!!!



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In Reply To
In breeding does bring out the worst as well as the best, with all the in betweens !

If parents have a bad or unwanted factor then the chances of this bad or unwanted factor may appear in their cross. The same holds for if the ancestry of the dogs to be mated have an unwanted factor, then their offsprings can possibly have this unwanted trait.

This is why, inbreeding is not recommended for most people.

A specialist breeder may choose dogs with traits that are wanted, irrespective of whether they are siblings or not. The results may not be pleasing but the converse holds and you may have exactly what you aimed for. In any case, a long time ago in Germany, it was established that you will probably have a mixture so you have to be prepared to cull the ones with the unwanted traits, cruel as it may seem but thats how all the different breeds were established.

In nature, survival takes care of the culling. All animals will mate with their siblings.

A wild dog may be a specific species and their offsprings will be almost a clone, so inbreeding will not affect it that much. Most of our breeds are hybrids ie. with a mixture of genes from different species so it contains both wanted and unwanted genes.

There are dominant genes and others not as strong. If a wanted factor comes from non dominant gene then careful inbreeding may produce a dog with that wanted trait but without the dominant factor overcovering it. But be prepared for a lot of culling! Eg black colour will dominate. surprisingly a pointed snout dominates.

With modern genetic studies, we will soon be able to identify genes with specific traits so dog breeds could be better planned. Right now, we rely on the dogs' family tree. If a bad gene exists in one side but does not show for several generations is crossed with another that again does not show this defect but also carries this gene, the chances of this defect showing up becomes very high. Invisible until the puppy is born. When you cross a specific breed, even though both parents come from different ends of the universe, it is inbreeding but because the gene pool is so large, the chances of 2 similar genes, which are not showing on the parents, getting together in the offspring will be extremely small.

So in specialised breeding you have to be prepared for the worst ! APBT and Boxers are from different breeds so usually inbreeding for a few generations is quite safe. Mine are from different sires and dams.

Tuckfook.



Hi Tuckfook,

Yeah!!! Hope could meet you soon to understand more about breeding matter...I'm really interested!!!!



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Kevin Chuan
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Jun 2, 2005, 1:10 AM


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Hi Guys,

I think one day all of us should meet up ler... all Penang lang. ERN, Jack_MBT, TuckFook, glng, and myself should meet up lar... but too bad no FEMALE amoung usWink,... We can start up with our own breeding channel, see what breeds we have here... tuckfook has Beagle and Boxer, ERN has westie and AST, glng has Boxer and PBT, Jack_MBT has mini bull terrier and AST, myself has "Lap Cheong Kow" and AST, therefore I guess with others dog lovers that we know individually, we can actually have a dog breeders directory... so in the future... we can share share "khang Thow" mah...

glng, Jack_MBT, ERN am I right? I need you guys support.


Jack_MBT
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Jun 2, 2005, 5:48 PM


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Hi Guys,

I think one day all of us should meet up ler... all Penang lang. ERN, Jack_MBT, TuckFook, glng, and myself should meet up lar... but too bad no FEMALE amoung usWink,... We can start up with our own breeding channel, see what breeds we have here... tuckfook has Beagle and Boxer, ERN has westie and AST, glng has Boxer and PBT, Jack_MBT has mini bull terrier and AST, myself has "Lap Cheong Kow" and AST, therefore I guess with others dog lovers that we know individually, we can actually have a dog breeders directory... so in the future... we can share share "khang Thow" mah...

glng, Jack_MBT, ERN am I right? I need you guys support.



Sure one... I know a numbers of AST owner in Klang also. Do you know anyone is selling a female MBT ah ...???
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glng675
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Jun 2, 2005, 6:20 PM


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In Reply To
Hi Guys,

I think one day all of us should meet up ler... all Penang lang. ERN, Jack_MBT, TuckFook, glng, and myself should meet up lar... but too bad no FEMALE amoung usWink,... We can start up with our own breeding channel, see what breeds we have here... tuckfook has Beagle and Boxer, ERN has westie and AST, glng has Boxer and PBT, Jack_MBT has mini bull terrier and AST, myself has "Lap Cheong Kow" and AST, therefore I guess with others dog lovers that we know individually, we can actually have a dog breeders directory... so in the future... we can share share "khang Thow" mah...

glng, Jack_MBT, ERN am I right? I need you guys support.

Ya lar...I waiting for this day coming!!!

hahaha...no girl beside us, then we can "free talk" mah...

Kevin, u go cari male AST onwer in Penang or not to breed your AST?



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Jun 2, 2005, 10:06 PM


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Hey Jack_MBT... I know a guy from Klang by the name of Mr. Tee, he has a male AST (Fawn with White marking), also Mr. Lee from Kuala Selangor he has a female AST (brindle colour). No sure you have heard about these guys before?

MBT female... I have no idea now, but can check with my friend... will let you know.

So who is taking care of ERN's AST now? Pet shop?


Kevin Chuan
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Jun 2, 2005, 10:20 PM


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No lar... can't find AST male in Penang... not many people owns this breed. Especially in Penang... in KL yes, especially in Klang and Kuala Selangor..., help me to keep an eye on the male pup or adult male.

ERN go "Tiong Kok Chiak Hong", don't know he can get caught by "Mata" or not if he Ki Choi Tiong Kok Poh... hehehe


Jack_MBT
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Jun 2, 2005, 10:38 PM


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Hey Jack_MBT... I know a guy from Klang by the name of Mr. Tee, he has a male AST (Fawn with White marking), also Mr. Lee from Kuala Selangor he has a female AST (brindle colour). No sure you have heard about these guys before?

MBT female... I have no idea now, but can check with my friend... will let you know.

So who is taking care of ERN's AST now? Pet shop?



Mr Lee i heard of him when am looking for AST ... but this guy is crazy asking for 2k for a pups. Tee am not sure but I knew one guy address him as Kok ..
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Kevin Chuan
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Jun 2, 2005, 11:21 PM


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Mr Lee was asking for RM1500 when I called him before CNY, he has few pups but only 1 male and the male pup are no in good condition when I called, so I didn't buy from him.

The Kok that you mentioned I'm not sure but he always crossed his male with PBT, and sell the pups as AST. How can I know this..., the adds he posted in The Star Classified last year November was Pure AST pups for sale asking for RM1200.00, with his name Mr. Tee in the adds, later on in Mid December, he posted another adds in The Star Classified again, this time is AST X PBT and without name in the adds and asking for RM700.00 for a pup. But the 2 adds are with the same phone number.

The first I called him with my real name Kevin and he sent me the photo of 1 male and 1 female pup, the second time I called him in Mid December last year, I gave him my sur name, and he sent me the same photo again to my office address.

See... how many people out there are breeding frout AST, if someone do not know how to differentiate this breed, then should have bought some other funny dog.


Jack_MBT
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Jun 3, 2005, 5:46 AM


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One day I should go and look at their dog. !!! Do you have the Tee contact number ..???
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Jun 3, 2005, 5:43 PM


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No lar... can't find AST male in Penang... not many people owns this breed. Especially in Penang... in KL yes, especially in Klang and Kuala Selangor..., help me to keep an eye on the male pup or adult male.

ERN go "Tiong Kok Chiak Hong", don't know he can get caught by "Mata" or not if he Ki Choi Tiong Kok Poh... hehehe

Let me ask my friends whether got any "kang Tau" for male AST. Dun miss the chance ler.

Choi Tiong Kok Poh arr??! Dun Play Play!!!! hahaha...



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glng675
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Jun 3, 2005, 5:52 PM


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Mr Lee was asking for RM1500 when I called him before CNY, he has few pups but only 1 male and the male pup are no in good condition when I called, so I didn't buy from him.

The Kok that you mentioned I'm not sure but he always crossed his male with PBT, and sell the pups as AST. How can I know this..., the adds he posted in The Star Classified last year November was Pure AST pups for sale asking for RM1200.00, with his name Mr. Tee in the adds, later on in Mid December, he posted another adds in The Star Classified again, this time is AST X PBT and without name in the adds and asking for RM700.00 for a pup. But the 2 adds are with the same phone number.

The first I called him with my real name Kevin and he sent me the photo of 1 male and 1 female pup, the second time I called him in Mid December last year, I gave him my sur name, and he sent me the same photo again to my office address.

See... how many people out there are breeding frout AST, if someone do not know how to differentiate this breed, then should have bought some other funny dog.



Wahhh Lau A!!!! this ppl so irresponsible arr!!!!! Dun know 1 day who will kena his hand lar.....pay for pure AST price but get mixed breed pup!!! because no easy to differentiate while puppy time....even adult dog, some ppls also dun know how to recognize!



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ERN
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Jun 8, 2005, 7:27 PM


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In Reply To
Hi Guys,

I think one day all of us should meet up ler... all Penang lang. ERN, Jack_MBT, TuckFook, glng, and myself should meet up lar... but too bad no FEMALE amoung usWink,... We can start up with our own breeding channel, see what breeds we have here... tuckfook has Beagle and Boxer, ERN has westie and AST, glng has Boxer and PBT, Jack_MBT has mini bull terrier and AST, myself has "Lap Cheong Kow" and AST, therefore I guess with others dog lovers that we know individually, we can actually have a dog breeders directory... so in the future... we can share share "khang Thow" mah...

glng, Jack_MBT, ERN am I right? I need you guys support.



Hi all yes yes, am looking for this day.

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ERN
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Jun 8, 2005, 7:40 PM


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Tiong Kok poh, shui loh. same more wear miniskirt tat ka cheah....hahaha and boh cover cover ei. unlike the cha boh here, sikit sikit use hand to cover up.

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Jun 16, 2005, 2:44 AM


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Tiong Kok poh, shui loh. same more wear miniskirt tat ka cheah....hahaha and boh cover cover ei. unlike the cha boh here, sikit sikit use hand to cover up.

CoolCoolCoolCoolCool



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Kevin Chuan
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Jun 16, 2005, 10:40 PM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hey PlaTo, have you found your APBT, I have friend in Penang breeding APBT... reply if you are still interested.


RAY_PG
Dog Kichi

Jul 30, 2005, 10:28 AM


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hi pla to,

nice meeting u here as i'm very first here. would like to share with u bout APBT. I'm into american staff for 15 yrs back from the time i was is my school time and only involved in APBT (working trait) in this three yrs time. this happened when i started to know eddie from penang. for me, he is very knowledgeable, helpfull and honest in this breed mainly. he is very keen to share n approachable. we r buddy now from the years spent. this APBT breed really the greatest breed of all dogs or at least in my point of view. sorry to say that he is not a puppy paddler. should know him dude.


RAY_PG
Dog Kichi

Jul 30, 2005, 10:28 AM


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Re: [PlaTo] American Pit Bull Terrier

hi pla to,

nice meeting u here as i'm very first here. would like to share with u bout APBT. I'm into american staff for 15 yrs back from the time i was is my school time and only involved in APBT (working trait) in this three yrs time. this happened when i started to know eddie from penang. for me, he is very knowledgeable, helpfull and honest in this breed mainly. he is very keen to share n approachable. we r buddy now from the years spent. this APBT breed really the greatest breed of all dogs or at least in my point of view. sorry to say that he is not a puppy paddler. should know him dude.


Chiew
Dog Kichi

Dec 11, 2005, 5:09 AM


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Hi friend,me here have APBT pure,near 5 month. But only got 2 female. if want reply me pls!Cool


Kevin Chuan
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Dec 14, 2005, 11:46 PM


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Re: [Chiew] American Pit Bull Terrier

Hi again...

I saw the attachment in your thread, is that your furkid? If yes, that is pure APBT ( From Rednose Breed ), one of the oldest breed of APBT. All of us in these thread are bull type dog lover... I have a pair of AST and looking for another pair.