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surchinmy
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Sep 26, 2003, 10:01 PM

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... *aaarrrh* ... you weren't supposed to keep the mixture in the fridge lar ... LOL ... LaughTongueTongue


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RealityDreamer
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Sep 28, 2003, 10:04 AM

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TongueLaugh i didn't...

anyways, I can use both types right? fermented/rotted or fresh?

but for the rotted/fermented type...wouldn't it encourage bacteria growth? Crazy
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cshellz
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Sep 28, 2003, 5:16 PM

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eh? Shocked really? Gina also does that... and she taught me that wor....ShockedShockedBlush


surchinmy
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Sep 28, 2003, 6:00 PM

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Hi ... Smile ...

Remember the recipe for the STRONG version of the lotion:

--------------------------------------------------------Juliette de Bairacli Levy's method from "The Complete Herbal Handbook for the Dog & Cat": This is a stronger preparation.

"Save all used lemon halves and place in a gallon container, at least 24 halves to the gallon. Place the jar or container in the hot sunlight or pour hot water over the lemon. let the lemon remain in the water until pieces begin to turn mouldy, then remove and replace with fresh ones, squeezing hard the old ones into the water. Do not throw away any of the old lemon water which then remains. Rub the lemon potion into all parts of the dog's body to expel the skin vermin. When pomegranates are available, the peel can be added to this lemon lotion with great advantage. Use the skins from three pomegranates to every nine lemons. (keep jar covered with a paper top -not greased paper)"

*** I think Juliette recommends paper top because the mixture needs air (oxygen) to ferment & for the d-limonene (the effective oil) oil, to dissolve into the water
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*** RealityDreamer ...
As for the presence of mold ... mold carries antiseptic properties ... penicillin was originally derived from mold ...

But all said and done - can use either the strong or the fresh"er" solutions ... the fresh"er" solution seems quite effective too ... Smile

Cheers ...


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RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Sep 28, 2003, 9:35 PM

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aah...ok Smile

"let the lemon remain in the water until pieces begin to turn mouldy, then remove and replace with fresh ones, squeezing hard the old ones into the water." ...what does squeezing hard the old ones into the water mean?

hmm...the one i hv now..(not used yet) has some mold in it.. one bowl has bits of it on the top(dark coloured..black, i think) the other has whitish mold on the sides of the bowl.... that ok? Crazy
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surchinmy
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Sep 29, 2003, 12:55 AM

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You wrote: "...what does squeezing hard the old ones into the water mean?"

I think you are supposed to squeeze all the juice from the old lemons into the water before replacing with fresh lemons ...

You wrote: " ...one bowl has bits of it on the top(dark coloured..black, i think) the other has whitish mold on the sides of the bowl.... that ok?... "

According to Levy, now that the old lemons have turned mouldy ... it's time to "squeeze the old ones hard into the water" ... and replace with new lemons ... Smile ...

And the solution is ready for use ...


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cshellz
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Sep 29, 2003, 8:08 AM

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UnsureUnsure I just threw away a bottle of the solution that my mum accidentally forgot to put back into the fridge Pirate But anyway, will keep that in mind.

Btw, the book I read also said that we can use fresh lemon juice...perhaps that's what I was using more all the time Shocked

I didn't do it the long way. I sliced up the lemons really thing. Brought a pot of water to near boil and then shut the fire, dumped the lemon slices in and let it sit overnight. Smells really nice but it does sting a lot...


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Sep 29, 2003, 8:31 AM

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erm..replace with new lemons..

just take out the old pieces of lemon(juiced already) and then add new pieces? no need to boil or anything? need to squeeze the juice out right?
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surchinmy
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Sep 29, 2003, 8:40 AM

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The overnight method is also good ... it's Pitcairn's method ...

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Pitcairn's method ... for preparing the lemon solution is the mild solution.

"1 lemon whole lemon sliced thinly ... bring 1 pint water to near boil add lemons, let steep overnight. Sponge on once a day."
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cshellz
Ultra ALPHA


Oct 7, 2003, 9:24 AM

Post #210 of 341 (15163 views)
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Hi SK... Smile

Today as I was brushing Sparkle I suddenly saw blood on his back. Unsure Took a little closer look and I found that there was a patch of dry skin which the slicker brush accidentally brushed off so it was bleeding a bit. I cleaned it with warm water and applied tea tree oitment. More checks and I found that his skin is flaking (dunno if that's the right word). Kinda like small pieces of flaky skin in certain parts of his body.

*sigh* What do u think this could be?

Good news is....hit face has recovered fully in terms of fur growth. His legs are about 80% covered with fur now. and coat is growing back beautifully. Cool

But now....the skin problem again. *siiiiiighhhhhhhhh* I really dunno what to do. It's nothing to do with mange I think. Anyway, thinking of diluting ACV into a bucket of water to bathe him. Advisable? Any ideas?

I'm so sad now....and so frustrated....his skin problems never seem to end Frown Btw, I was also toying with the idea of switching to another brand of kibbles with lower protein....which *might* be the cause of his doggie dandruff...what say u?? Blush


surchinmy
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Oct 7, 2003, 6:59 PM

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Had a think on this ...

All dogs get dandruff (flaking skin) from time to time ... flaking skin by itself can be a minor irritation and nothing more ... so perhaps don't get too worried ...

Went through the list of products that you are feeding Sparkle ... I think you may have been a little heavy on the supplements ... would suggest you cut back ... too much of anything can be as bad as not enough.






Meals: Stick to your normal kibble (I checked, BtoB seems okay ... the only element of some concern is the corn ... which can be an allegen for some dogs - if you are concerned switch to another bran without corn, a brand that uses - say- rice ... such as CCavier (check with boon on this)

Suggestion: If you say Sparkle is a picky eater ... make meat stew (chicken or beef or lamb, carrots, potatoes, pumkin etc) enough for the week (remove the bones, pack separately and freeze). Defrost the night before and you can add the stew to Sparkle's kibble everyday. That should encourage Sparkle to eat.

If you do this remember to reduce the kibble.

Supplements: Use the Keep*rs Mix ... follow instructions. Add some probiotic element ...

You can also alternate the following: cod liver oil, brewer's yeast, vitagen/yoghurt, 1/2 an egg (par-boiled). Alternate and sequence these elements - don't feed all on the same day.

The only addition I can think of that might do some good is flaxseed or safflower oil.

Jan A. Hall, D.V.M., a veterinary dermatologist and referral specialist in Ville St. Laurent in Montreal explains ... "Giving your pet fish-oil supplements will help improve the metabolism of fats in skin tissue, Try mixing 1/2 to 1 teaspoon of fish oil into your pet's food every day. Using the same amount of safflower oil can also help.

Continue to give your usual fruits etc ... and that should take care of the diet ...






Shampoo ... A good shampoo can help with dandruff ... have already suggested a brand ... Use warm or cold water - not hot water (hot water dries the skin). Remember to rinse well. Don't blow dry too long or too hot (dries skin). Towel dry well ... and just use blow dryer for a short time ... and sun-dry Sparkle (avoid noon-day sun) to remove balance moisture ...

Add oatmeal to the bath. The same colloidal oatmeal (Aveeno) that people use for dry skin can also help relieve flaking in pets. Dr. Cruz says "Aveeno is marvelous for pets with dandruff because it moisturizes dry skin," she says. It does take a little extra elbow grease to work it into a lather, though".






Solutions ... Think its time to get rid of your first batch of lemon lotion ... Make a fresh batch using Dr. Pitcairn's method (soaking lemons over night) ... and add a litte Apple Cider Vinegar (if you wish) ... use the solution on the affected areas - including parts with flaking skin ...

If the skin is still dry - apply a perfume-free moisturiser in the morning ... and the lemon solution in the evening ... and see if that helps.

M. Lynne Kesel, D.V.M., assistant professor of elective surgery in the Department of Clinical Sciences, Colorado State University College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical Sciences, says: "To get moisture down really deep, you can rub your pet's coat with the same moisturizing lotion or cream you use on your hands".

Remember to work both solution & moisturiser well onto Sparkle's skin. Start with once a day ... monitor ... and then once every other day should be okay.






On a slightly more serious note, given Sparkle history ... flaky skin (dandruff, soborrhea) can be indication of returning infection (bacterial or parasitic) ... check this site:

http://www.vetcentric.com/...e.cfm?ARTICLEID=1048

So ... do all the above, and observe Sparkle over the next couple of weeks or so ... and see if there is any improvement ... if not then please please find a good vet who understands how to treat skin condition in dogs ...

Dr. Hall says " ... While dandruff is usually nothing more than flaky skin, in some cases it can indicate serious problems like, parasites or skin infections. Warning signs to watch for, besides the flakes, include scabs, crusting or iching ... Problems with the skin can be an indication of internal disease ... After a month or so, if there is no improvement, you should take your pet to the vet. See a vet right away if the symptoms suddenly get worse".

Cheers Smile


cshellz
Ultra ALPHA


Oct 7, 2003, 11:47 PM

Post #212 of 341 (15157 views)
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Hi Sk, Smile

Funny thing is this morning when I checked him the smaller flakes seem to have disappered...all that's left is the patch that was bleeding yesterday but that too, dried up.

I have cut down on his supplements starting today and of course, his kibbles intake. Now giving him more fruits.

Checked the website you suggested....gonna give him a bath too. I don't have the time to go buy the brand of shampoo u suggested, so meanwhile still have to stick to the current one but I'll make sure to rinse him off well.

Thanks a lot for the tips, will try to follow them ASAP. Lemon is down the drain by now already Tongue Will monitor closely and report changes. AngelicCool


RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Oct 23, 2003, 9:47 AM

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How's Sparkle doing now? Cool
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cshellz
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Oct 23, 2003, 5:10 PM

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hi Chloe, Smile

Sparkle (to me) is as good as fully recovered. His hair now finally all in place LaughLaugh But have to go back to check up after 4 weeks from the last visit.

Now trying to improve his diet....in fact he's been BARFING for two days now and he loves it. I still give him Keepers Mix daily and I alternate the days and other supplements such as Cod Liver Oil, Brewers Yeast, Lecithin E and homeo med. Once in a while I pop an Echinecea and garlic for him.

His coat is slowly looking less dry and it's growing more, making him look a lot fatter now. Tongue Hey, will u be at the gathering this Sun? we should be bringing Sparkle and Bizkit along.

How's Tyson doing? Any good news? Smile


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RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Oct 24, 2003, 4:05 AM

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That's good to hear.SmileCool

As for Tyson..yes and no.

His first original patch is growing smaller..a thin layer of fuzz growingSmile

but there are other rough spots appearing...I'm not sure if it's mange or just a small wound which dried up (playing roughly with Hazel)CrazyUnsure
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sweeeng
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Nov 27, 2003, 5:50 PM

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This post is too long and sad to say, I'm too lazy to read it... So since you've experienced Mange, I would like to ask you what you did to cure your dog? Cos my lab seems to be having that too... and the vet says that hers is a generation thing but her parents doesn't seem to have any signs of those... I'm really worried....

REgards,
Swee Eng


cshellz
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Nov 27, 2003, 8:24 PM

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Hi,

This thread is indeed too long for me to post it all over again. I did so much for Sparkle during his recovery period. Maybe you can read the first few pages....the first page I've posted up some symptoms and details about Mange. So maybe you can understand what Mange is all about.

Sorry to hear that your lab has Mange Frown But it's quite a long time before full recovery (and will always come again anytime). Have to have patience. So maybe one day read two pages lor...hehehe

But first of all if your lab's condition is still not too bad yet, start with the lemon solution. Its posted up by ginl

Hope your lab gets well soon Smile


sweeeng
ALPHA


Nov 27, 2003, 10:37 PM

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Aiyo.... maybe I"ll read lor... Frown But I guess my lab's condition has worsen... everytime it happens, I'll bring her to the vet... ok oredi then come again... very bengang... Now even on medication, her condition doesn't seem to get better... her hair shed until almost habis oredi... and her skin is so dry... right now my friend is keeping her.... and will treat her... according to my friend, the vet is pro-longing the whole thing... jes to earn $$ but I'm not sure if its true... Anyway, thanks a lot and I really hope my lab will get well soon enough to come back...

Regards,
Swee Eng


cshellz
Ultra ALPHA


Nov 28, 2003, 6:08 PM

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Yalor very pitiful hor? Frown Like I said right now you could start her immediately on the lemon wash. YOu can find the recipe posted by gina on the first or second page I think. that works very well.

Maybe you would like to change vets? the vet I went to, Dr Hasnul was very nice and concerned and I was satisfied with the way he treated Sparkle. I'm still going back for check ups and the Doc is still monitoring his condition. Imagine, when Sparkle's condition was really really bad, he even called at night to check how he's doing!Smile


sweeeng
ALPHA


Nov 29, 2003, 12:50 AM

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Yah... i would like to try the lemon stuff but right now my friend wanna treat her so I don't dare say anything... cos I persuade him to help me take care of her and I can't jes say "Gif me back my dog", right!?

I'm glad Dr Hasnul is such a nice vet to even call during the night to check on your dog. That's what we want and like, right?! My vet does not even bother at all. I even went to another vet... which I called this morning regarding my dog's blood test... he's suppose to call me back and he's not even calling me!!!

This is rather annoying...

Regards,
Swee Eng


cshellz
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Nov 30, 2003, 5:52 AM

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Well hopefully your friend can help your labbie Smile Btw, just wondering... is the blood test for mange? The vet should be doing a skin scrape instead of a blood test. The scrape is a surefire way of confirming if it's mange and what kind of mange it is.


sweeeng
ALPHA


Dec 1, 2003, 5:12 PM

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Hi there...

The blood test isn't for the mange... It's actually the other doctor suspected that she has tyroid ... so had to do a blood test to confirm it... Glad to know that tyroid level is normal.. At least one problem at ease...

Regards,
Swee Eng


cshellz
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Jan 15, 2004, 8:58 AM

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Hi SK,

Sparkle is having skin problems again...this time getting just as bad, probably at a faster rate. *sigh* We were doing fine with the diet and all and all of a sudden everything's happening again. My last check half and hour ago showed his infection has reached even his ears...pimple like stuff (a lot of it) all over the insides of his ears and it has pus as well. Frown His tummy part has these stuff too. On his back there are crusty stuff which sometimes bleed. all happened in a matter of days! I dunno if this is mange or not but the area around his eye is losing fur as well. Sure looks like round #2. Unimpressed

He's in such a pitiful state now. Not able to eat and he would sit in a position for ages, not moving with his eyes downcast. I think he has fever too cause when I fed him his Sulfur pill his mouth was really hot inside! How can you tell if a dog has fever anyway? Really feel like I failed miserably to take care of him....cause I feel so hopeless seeing him like this. Can only wait till morning to take him to the vet again. Second time this week....looks like vet visits will become a norm again for both of us.

My dad suggested that I discuss with my vet about putting Sparkle to sleep. That'll be the last thing I want to do but really does it mean a dog with skin problems will have to suffer for the rest of his life? He's not even one year old yet and he's already been through so much. Poor baby.

I've done everything that everyone suggested. Even cleaning him twice a day with the lemon solution...continue to give him Nupro/keepers mix changed his diet to barf, give him his occasional supplement, give him raw fruits........I dunno what else I can do.

any suggestions? I already know that there's not much to be done till I take him to the vet tomorrow...but yet tomorrow seems awfully far away. *sigh*


serene_kwlim
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Jan 15, 2004, 9:52 AM

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Dear cshellz,

I wonder... do u ever think of sparkle's Mange / skin problem is cause by the surroundings? maybe u could try to use glorox to clean sparkle's sleep/rest/visit place and see if there's any improvement..

i have a fren of mine, got this mange / skin problem sometimes ago.. he's dog also suffer from Mange (ok aldy come back again case) and always visit the vet.... but after he hv try the glorox method to clean his dog's kennel on daily basics than the problem slowly turn better.. maybe u could consider try this method too..

pls. dun giv up on sparkle...he's still young...pls. gic him chances...tq!

regards,
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surchinmy
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Jan 15, 2004, 12:00 PM

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Hi ...

Very sorry to hear that the skin condition has returned ...

I don't think you have done badly at all ... rather, I think you have done well for Sparkle ... So, don't feel bad ...

From your description, and because Sparkle has had dermo before - it is likely that the dermo has come back ... possibly together with some form of allergy (allergies can erupt pretty quickly) ...

Allergies and dermo are both conditions that can be treated and sorted out ... And I really really think Sparkle can be helped ... so, there is definitely no reason to think of doing anything drastic ...

What I do think you must do is get Sparkle to a vet that understands treatment of allergies & dermo.
The last time, I remember expressing apprehension with respect to the dosage of ivermectin and the mitaban dips prescribed for Sparkle ...

Msn me and we can chat more fully ... Maybe we can chat before you take Sparkle to the vet ...

Sparkle will be fine ... we just need to persevere a little more ...


(This post was edited by surchinmy on Jan 15, 2004, 12:06 PM)

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