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chilimson
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Jul 3, 2003, 6:45 AM

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OK, I will visit the topic that I dread the most, which is HD, and I know many people have different opinions about it. I will just state my view after reading and researching this topic for a while. I think HD is 100% genetic and 100 % environment, and this is how it works.

If you have clean good lines, then I think the environment will have pretty little impact of creating HD. Unless you do subject your puppy or yearlings to crazy routines and overfeeding at very young age. After two years old, I think the mold is cast. Therefore, first go for strong HD frei bloodlines, and review all the HD conditions of the littermates or what the dam has been producing. I think it is worth all the effort to look for good bloodlines. Remember, the genes will always have the hidden ones, and may pop up once a while. For example, Balou really really pass on his headpiece, just look at his kids and you know it is dominant. Therefore, I think the 30% cause is a fallacy, if you think of the cause and I will vote 60% if you are doing a generic classification of dyplastic dogs.

Once you have an HD predispose puppy, then the environment become a 100% contributor. You must recognise this and take all sort of precaution. From food supplement, weight control, exercising and habitat. Well, can keep going but think it is good enough for a generic opinion.

Prices used to be 1000 Dm for the puppy excluding freight. Nowadays...it goes for 1000 to 1500 Euro or USD, depending on which European country you are importing. I always import my dogs and they had to be quarantined for 30 days in Singapore, and I am not sure how or what is the procedure to bring into Malaysia.

Kibble, yes, I have posted in another thread that I do not want to get into people's rice bowl issue, and also sponsorship problem. Therefore, I have posted another website for people to go and read the details and decide for themselves what is quality kibble and what is crap!Wink However, your kibble are great and I am sure you are happy with the coat and health of your dogs. I add brown rice, cook human grade beef and tripe, and Vit. C (1000mg) + Glucosomine/Chondroitin supplement for those yearlings or puppies that I do a little more exercising. Their growth is very rapid from 6 months to 1 year and beyond one year, they will grow muscle and masses if you exercise and feed them appropriately. If you are keeping him lean because of HD, then it is like having them in a glass environment. Anyway, it is really your call if you think that their genes are prone to HD. Remember, their wolf instinct means that they are free to roam and hunt when they are hungry. IF you are worried, just watch their stomach area to see the first two ribs. IF they are obvious, then I think they are too thin and may affect the growth rates (slower). I sort of leave them a little "fat", that is I do not see the ribs clear but could feel them immediately. Same analogy for human, that is you are "liveless" and tired easily when you are under nourished.


mackmack
Doggyman


Jul 3, 2003, 11:49 AM

Post #27 of 89 (5627 views)
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I seldom get into this working group section, but glad that I didn't miss out your wonderful sharing and also the "links" you did before... that made me to dig out your old posts in the forum so I could learn more from you.

Anyway, keep up the good job in sharing.Wink This is a public forum place... should be FREE in SPEECH to certain extend...

you....

MSN?


--I have Howling Bean and Lazy Mack.--


Polluxx
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Jul 3, 2003, 9:11 PM

Post #28 of 89 (5621 views)
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Sorry , if I m a bit confused here, but r u saying if my puppy is genetically pre-disposed to HD /ED then it is very likey no matter wht precaution I take, it will result in HD developing at later stage. And if he is genetically HD frei then he will definitely not get HD even if he is over-fed ? ? Well it is a bit difficult 2 find out whether my pup is HD prone or not b'coz only the sire (import) is x-rayed but on the dam side (the dam was bred oversea but grew up here so was not x-rayed by the breeder) it seems the grandsire is contributing good hips record to the breed in Germany. I m not sure whether there is any vet in M'sia who conduct HD analysisi (x-ray).

You were also saying that the puppy will continue to have rapid growth from 6mths to 1 yr old,...well I thk mine kinda of slow down quite significantly by the time when he is 6mths old......so am I underfeeding him or wht ? Unimpressed So will he continue to grow...? I suspect GSD growth rate should be somewht similar to Rottie..rite ! ? Well I m not too worry abt his coat tough as long he is healthy looking, anyway his coat is definitely not plush (he is from working line), just slightly thk & coase wt undecoat. I was hoping u can share some insight on this....!

I do feed wt him wt supplement such as Solid Gold seameal [wt flaxseed], occasional calcium+vit D (small dosage) & vit C (100mg only) b'coz I read somewhere dog can produce their own vit C.

Anyway back to HD issue....well my GSD do occasionally drag his hind leg (but very rarely) so I m hoping tht it is not HD but is only pano..which I read is quite normal for the GSD during the growth stage....by the way does Rott has pano..???






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


Polluxx
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Jul 3, 2003, 9:18 PM

Post #29 of 89 (5620 views)
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Hi ,

did see ur post in other threads, especially like the thread which u started ' on how to bring back ur Golden Ret to Malaysia'...was very insightful.....!! So how is ur dog getting used to our tropical weather here..??

Cheers !Smile






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


mackmack
Doggyman


Jul 3, 2003, 9:39 PM

Post #30 of 89 (5619 views)
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Hi Polluxx~

Sounds like you are "spying" on me~~~~~~~~Tongue

kakakakak.... thanks for your time to read my posts. I personally see that "sending to KL" thread as his diary of up & down to KL.... I hope you enjoy following that "story".

To repeat this answer again and again.... well~ I have lost the custody of to his current owner, which we were both the co-owners on 's birth cert. no choice as is in KL and I'm in US. fighting for the custody won't benefit . why i sent him back then? coz i dun wanna see him suffer the tests, the paper works, the road trip and the long journey flight for TWICE and I gotto PAY TWICE and twice the effort to arrange eveyrhting both in KL and US.

Anything else u wanna know? i'll be happy to asnwer you~Wink

Oh yeah~

about the weather problem... GRs are hunting dog, they can adapt to anykind of weather and environment which serve their main purposes of hunting. if you talk about HOT weather... the summer in US is worse than in M'sia. I guess it really depends on how the owners handle the GR and how the owners take care of the GR..... that is: do the best for the dog.Smile which i think i did, in michigan.


--I have Howling Bean and Lazy Mack.--


Polluxx
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Jul 4, 2003, 8:21 AM

Post #31 of 89 (5614 views)
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Hi ,

Sorry to hear tht u lost custody of to the current owner, is this just a temporarily arrangement or permanent...I meant since u r still States..so ur fren (co-owner) is helping to take care of him until u r back ?

By the way the reason I found ur thread on bringing back was b'coz I was looking up on info on how to import a dog into M'sia..... thanks to a lot member on board who were very helpful , they definitely contribute a lot of info.

So how r u coping rite now w/out a k-9 fren by ur side ?

By the way it must be fun to own a dog in States, since in US they definitely got a lot of activity for our k9 fren...and they r welcome almost anywhere unlike here where u can't even walk them around ur own neighbourhood w/o getting a stare back.

Hey, u know what ! I got another dog who look like a goldie (medium size)except that she is totally black in colour wt slightly plush coat and she will retrieve anything I throw, actually she is of Dalmatian (Dam)-Spaniel/Rott (Sire)-cross ...maybe I will take a picture of her & post for u to see for urself the resemblence.
By the way she is spayed as we got another male dog in the house ! Unsure

So tell me more abt ur k9 activity u have done in States.....should be pretty interesting ! Wink






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


chilimson
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Jul 4, 2003, 10:26 AM

Post #32 of 89 (5601 views)
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Hmm.. you are asking more difficult question and gettting a little more technical in defination. Again, am no expert and will attempt to give you my opinion, and hopefully there are more expert out there to give you better answers. There are many genetic factors that affect HD and I do not think anybody out there that could give you the genetic marker. Therefore, I will give you two perspective and you could get some idea of genetically pre-disposed effect. If your puppy somehow has weak "muscle" or laxity issue, then supplement and environment care in ensuring that the muscle is build up to prevent joint inflamation and joint deformation will certainly help to prevent further HD problem. If you could keep this condition till two years old, then I think it is quite safe that the dog is able to hold up till the end.

On the other hand, if you have a "flat" femur instead of round or the socket cavity is not "deep" to hold the femur ball, then you will see the problem as he grows and put on mass (weight). That is because there is really nothing to hold in place, even though you have strong muscle or diet control. Hope it make sense to you. My strong advice is that if you notice something amiss with your dog, please do not assume it is pano. Get a vet to do an x-ray to confirm it is not HD or ACL or arthritis. Because early diagnostic and treatment can lessen the severity and also correct the issue, especially mild HD issue. Let's assume that there is mild HD and the dog limps because it is painful. It will then try to use the fronts more and less on the hindlegs. Then the hind muscle will not build up due to not much exercising and gets weaker, which in turn do not hold the ball socket joints together.

If you do not have xray, then check kids of the sire other breedings and their dog base. The same check could be done on the dam, and also check her siblings and their breedings as well. These are all indicators.

I cannot comment on GSD, but for Rottie..relatively speaking 9 to 10 months is peak of fast growth rate. The ugly stage is between 4 to 9 months, and it is this unproportionate growth period you need to be careful. Well, I hope the locally bred GSD is not like locally bred Rottie, because they tends to be smaller than their imported cousins. I have not idea how to explain this and have also written about this in another thread. If locally bred GSD have the same smaller size issue, then I am not sure the diet could change the growth much after 6 months. I am not a breeder, but I asked one kennel owner (big big kennel in Singapore) about my observation of smaller locally bred dogs. He confirmed what I have observed, and could not offer much explanation as well. He told me that he had tried diet and exercise, including pumping the pregnant bitch with bone meal. Give the puppy solid meat (protein) and barf diet. Nothing seem to be able to create similar bone and mass for large locally bred dogs. One point he did share to me which similar to somone mentioning earlier as well, that is he knew someone tried to rear his locally bred puppies in an air-condition environment. The puppy turn out pretty big for the whole litter.

The supplement you give is fine, but I will avoid Calcium because I think there are sufficent amount in the kibble. I will give more Vit. C because there is not much harn done since it is water soluble and passed if they are excessive. By the way, Vitamin C is quoted as a prevention cure for HD.

Well, I have answered your pano question earlier, and Rottweiler do have the same problem. Dragging a leg is not a good sign, you should check it out to make sure it is not an injury.


mackmack
Doggyman


Jul 4, 2003, 11:51 AM

Post #33 of 89 (5599 views)
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Dear Polluxx~

The current owner is taking full responsibility and care for . I will get myself my own dog in the near future and will definitely bring to join PuppyCom's outings when I'm home.


About "that thread", Yes, gained lots of help from a lot of members as well as the webmaster. Life without a k-9 fren by myside is tough! I've been brought up to be with dogs as my family members.

How am I going to cope with now? erm.... I'm glad to say I AM LUCKY to meet a puppy.com member here!! She is Strawhoney aka Amy. She has a golden retriever named "Odie". I'm happy that I could hangout with them in San Francisco... and it's been so wonderful to play with Odie, had Odie sit on my lap during our roadtrip, and had him sleep besides me when i stayed over night at Amy's apt. Please feel free to drop by my "member gallery" in the forum's photo gallery under my username " ". You will see my pics with , Odie, and some other dogs.


Having while i was studying in Michigan, that's the most wonderful doggie-experience that I've ever had. Coz he is my very first dog to own and to raise and to train by myself~ I'm very proud of him.

I sure have more interesting story about to be shared with you~ Smile Well... but i've shared a lot of the "same old stories" in other threads too. Maybe you could just browse around this site and enjoy the reading~! Erm... one more alternative: most members do chat in MSN messenger where we could have more casual chats. If you do have an MSN account, feel free to add me in:


--I have Howling Bean and Lazy Mack.--


(This post was edited by mackmack on Jul 4, 2003, 11:52 AM)


Polluxx
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Jul 5, 2003, 8:57 PM

Post #34 of 89 (5577 views)
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Thanx chilmson, for ur feedback on the HD issue ! it is definitely most enlightening. Abt the Vit C use for HD , I'v read on the net tht it will not prevent HD but will help to prevnt the lession from getting worse is tht true ? ? By the way, in Singapore who will analyse the hip's x-ray...the individual clinic's vet or there is a panel of vets like the American OFA system.....??

Abt the size issue, so its true then if the puppies r rear in an cooler environment, then their able to develop into a much larger or substantial size dog.
Maybe I should take my dog to some highland area to grow up where it is cooler Wink b'coz air-conditioned kennel is definitely out of my budget. Unsure ...geee....I wonder does this apply to human as well ? ? Wink

Just wanna clarify something wt u, when u say peak growth at 9-10 mths old, r u saying at that time the growth rate is the biggest or is it simple that the growth rate will stop..? ? my question is basically when will the puppy reach its adult's height (not size) ...? ?

By the way have a nice weekend ...! ! (wt ur dog of course..!! Cool..)






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


Polluxx
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Jul 5, 2003, 9:19 PM

Post #35 of 89 (5576 views)
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Hi ,

Glad to know u meet another puppy.com kaki in US, so where r u based now....San Fran or Michigan ??

I have yet to register wt MSN, maybe when I do I'll drop u a note...! Wink

So any idea which breed of k9 fren will u be getting in the future..?? GR again, ...Labrador..?? how abt GSD or even Rottie..? ...they r easy to train & fun to play with as well ....Angelic ....! !

Guess wht, I just got my dog a hiking bag from S'pore....thinking of doing some little hiking wt my dog around some of the estate around my place this coming weekend. By the way, hav u ever try hiking wt ur previously...I heard they r kinda popular at States.....!!






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


mackmack
Doggyman


Jul 6, 2003, 12:17 AM

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Hi Polluxx~Smile

I would claim myself residing in California State where I move around between LA city and Sillicon Valley, and will visit San Francisco once a while.

Please get the MSN messenger version 6 and add me into your list. We sure can further our chat topics over there~Wink

In near future, I will be getting retrievers again as I'm more comfortable to keep them. As for my own favor, I"m actually hoping to get a PUG. Well~ I leave it as my dream dog. Sometimes, we don't really have to have what we dream about, better leave it as a wish~ But if I had a chance, I'll get a PUG or a beagle. Right now, am still not good in that 2 breeds. Need more self preperation on that.Tongue

No GSD on my list.... becoz I simply bias. Don't ask me why, I just dun wanna offend anyone hereWink. No Rotti at this moment... coz I don't have much confidence on M'sia breed. Rotti suppose with a great temperament and human oriented. Anyway~ not quite true to be seen in M'sia. Again, I'm bias.
If you let me choose between GSD & Rotti, I'll go with Rotti~, but both aint on my listTongue

When I had with me in US, the outdoor activities that we could go were limited. In my town, the place snow from Oct till May.... how and where to hike nei....Crazy But we jogged a lot. At least twice a day in the morning and evening. He loves to DIVE into the snow pile and do the swimming movement, till his whole body and face covered by the snow.LaughLaugh he's just soooooooooooo luvly~!!!

In the summer, I brought him with me to go fishing... been to lake side and the dam. But i dare not offleash him~ scared that the lake is too deep and I can't RETRIEVE him!! but he sure a out-going boy.... very well bahave when he's outdoor and always gimme a lot of FACESWink


--I have Howling Bean and Lazy Mack.--


chilimson
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Jul 6, 2003, 8:06 AM

Post #37 of 89 (5567 views)
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Hmm.. I think Vit. C is quoted in a research by someone on GSD, that he fed the pregnant dam and non of the puppies develop HD. Well, like I said before, there are so many attributes or multi-factorial issues regarding HD. Therefore, personally, I think Vit. C will help to prevent HD for those lines that do not synthesis or generate sufficient Vit. C. Therefore, I do not think it will "cure", but certainly it will help, and I do not think there is any downside risk because it is water soluble. There are several vets that could do x-ray properly, but I am not sure whether they are OFA certified.

Honestly, I still cannot concluded that puppies being raised in temperate climate are more substantial. The reason is because I have imported several puppies at 12 weeks old, and they grow up substantial as well. Therefore, I will not conclude without more substantial study being conducted. Unfortunately, I am not a breeder and do not spend time or have sufficient dog to do all the data collection. If I had to make a guess, then I think genes comes first and maybe the diet when the dam is expecting comes second. The diet and environment of the puppies come next, and so on. Just do not want you to spend months in Genting and not have you substantial dogs!Sly

If you feed appropriately and the puppy grows normally, then the height of the Rottie should be about what it is at 10 months or so. I do not think it will grow another inch in height, but they continue to grow in many areas. Like the male head really completely broaden after two to three years!Crazy Hmm...human are no different I think, but definitely living in the highlands will not create larger human. I think it follows the same logic of genes then environment if all else is equal. For example, all the newer generations tends to surpass their previous generation if you take an average. Someone once joke that the northerners spends more time hibernating and thus do not burn the calories as fast as the southerners. Thus if the food consumption is the same, then they have extra for growth versus being "burned away"!Tongue

Have a great weekend as well!


chilimson
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Jul 6, 2003, 8:18 AM

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Glad that you enjoy reading and I do agree that forum should be free, and probably you are well endow with the culture of America. However, I have live life to be more realistic than idealistic, because I see a big logo at the home page of the forum. Therefore, I still could share what I wanted without the need to say something negative about certain brand of food. Anyway, I think people should learn to read about the facts and decide for themselves what is good for their dogs.

Glad that you will consider a Rottie, and there are a lot of good kennels in California with German heritage Rottie.

If you missed local curry or food, then take a drive to McCarty Ranch Shopping Mall, there is a Banana Leaf restaurant in Milpitas. Another pretty neat restaurant in Castro Street vacinity at Mountain View as well.Sly


mackmack
Doggyman


Jul 6, 2003, 8:34 AM

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Hi chilimson~

I've been to Banana Leaf, ok ler... only the Rendang is good. It's more like an American-Malaysian food, not quite "jing-jong"Tongue I've brought my frens to LA's Penang Restaurant, we all agreed that Penang is way better than those in Sillicon Valley.... You should try the Renang Rest. in West CovinaSmile a lot of "dei-dou" dishes.

Heheheh...when talking about food, my enthusiasm is as much as talking about DogsBlush


--I have Howling Bean and Lazy Mack.--


Polluxx
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Jul 8, 2003, 8:57 PM

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Hi chilimson,

How's ur weekend, I see ur u r getting aquainted wt . Hey !why dun we try to physco on the benefit of owning a Rottie...ha..haTongue..!! since she is quite partial to Rottie anyway..!! Wink

Well first of all , do u know any good Rottie breeder/kennel in America...., I only know of a few.... such Jenecks, Stozenfels,von Eaglenest...etc ! Actually the one I m most impressed wt is Jeneck....I have read good things of this kennel in some GSD forum.

So have u ever own a rottie from US ? ?

I have been meaning to ask this question for quite a while, since u have been owning Rottie for a long time, have u ever trained them in Schutzhund/IPO before....as I understand from my fren...u do have Sch/IPO trainer in S'pore rite..? ?






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


Polluxx
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Jul 8, 2003, 9:22 PM

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Hi ,

How was ur weekend...? ? well sorry to hear that u r not too keen abt GSD.Shocked..I m just curious may I know...whts the reason behind this....if its ok wt u ...? Actually both Rotts & GSD r have great temperament if u choose the bloodline carefully. Anyway we have a very good and experience 'sifu' (chilimson) if u decided to go for a rottie. I m sure he will be able to help u to choose a very good rottie if u decided to get one. By the way I m sure once u have owned a rottie u will love it for life (this is coming from a person who has yet to own one yet but I have seen the relationship between a rottie & its owner...well the rottie is definitely a one man/woman dog)...So how abt keeping ur option open....Tongue..! ! ( jeez...I'm begining to feel like a salesman...Laugh..)

One other thing, since u r in the States... have u ever seen a competition called Schuzhund...it is very popular in Europe but getting more popular in States nowadays....the competition consist (tracking , obedience & protection routine) mostly participate by GSD & Rottie ppl. If u have not, I would really recommend u to go & see one ....I'm sure it is very popular in California state.

By the way, I not bias to GR...I like them as well...I used to go to a certain pet shop just to pet the owner's GR...very lovely dog.

By the way wht r u doing in States...studying or working..? ?






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


mackmack
Doggyman


Jul 8, 2003, 9:34 PM

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My weekend was OK, nothing much special~

Why I'm not into GSD?? the reason I could give if... i'm not keen at all. If i saw one on the street, I will still go up front and pat the dog, but if you ask me to keep one, not this moment. Just don't have a strong feeling towards GSD, probably.... i don't like the stood-up ears, the sharp nose and they all look skinny compare to GR. I prefer those broad head, ears drop down, face look silly and ugly.... butt round round one.... Like Bullmastiff, Bull terrier, Bulldog, Pug, etc. Those face look too smart one like GSD and Border Collie, i scared they will "climb over my head". I like dogs with some attitute, so... as obedient as GSD and Collie, i will feel a bit DULL to keep as just a guard dog. that's what I'm bias at.

I'm not really into dog show. Normally I just watch those shows from TV, never been to any live show ring. Even the TV show, I prefer the funniest animal or the Star animal, and some true stories. Coz I think dog shows are very political and depends on what favor the judges.

-I'm a graduate holding a student visa.


--I have Howling Bean and Lazy Mack.--


Alexthian
Dog Kichi

Jul 8, 2003, 9:59 PM

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Smile
hello all rott lover ,my name is alex,and i had a 1 1/2 year male rott aslo,and i brought it from j.b
i think my problem aslo same like what your guy discuss here. my rotti aslo don't came whit big head ,short leg... even that he farther is yugo import. but for my case i go to the kennel and choose the bigger baby from that birth..and when my rotti is small(6 week to 8 week),.he go a big head ,storng leg..but when he grown up he shape is total run out....
even i try to give him the best diet ,vitamin,egg,meat... but still he is look like doberman,but not so high la...
this reallly make me very sad,because b4 i buy this puppy,i go to the dog show ,i saw the rott they all very strong and fit..and i know that rott all is import,but because i thing malaysia boleh,so i brought the local breed rotti,and other reson is no enought $$$ to buy the import 1(i check whit the oversea breeder one show rotti they ask about RM 20000 to RM40000 include the flight)..
so i had ask so many people b4,they said most of the rotti (loocal breeder)is like this because the breeder more of them is want the nomber and not the quality...so they none stop to breed they dog,and they dog is over breed so they quality of the puppy came put is very low...
so now i still lokking for the rott,becasue i realliy want to join the dog show...if any want of you saw any good rott,hope you can let me know ..thank you!


Polluxx
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Jul 9, 2003, 5:40 AM

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Hi ,

Hey , why sound so dull abt ur weekend, maybe all u need to brighten ur day is to get a k9 companion !! Smile

Now I know why u dun like GSD..Unimpressed...well I hope I'm sorry if I'm gonna bore u with this but do u know GSD has evolved into 3 major bloodline :
1.) American Showline
2.) German/Europe Showline
3.) Working line

the American showline is the type u mentioned in ur post such skinny/silly looking face and mostly poor temperament. Well since u r in States u should be able to see the all three bloodline, wht I would like suggest is , if u have the time, do chk out some web-sites & search for working line GSD namely for DDR/Czech GSD (DDR stands for former East German) well they really have huge head & bone. I heard they also have very strong attitude/temperament (dominant) - and being from the working line....well the dog is active & do just abt anything wt u ..such swimming, retrieving, hide & seekLaugh...& also protect u from harm.. as i read in other GSD forum the things is DDR/Czech bloodline is getting very popular in States among the GSD fanciers of working-line.

By the way, Schuzhund is not a dog show...& u know what, I agree wt u that the dog show kinda political. The only reason I go to dog show here is b'coz I like to watch dogs & that sure beats the hell than staying at home, unless of course it is showing 'Dogs wt Job' (on the National Geographic channel)...Smile

But unlike me , u have so much things to look out for in States..such as the Schuzhund things I told u abt .....well how do I describe it...Crazy .!. Well it is actually a dog sport/activity originally created to test the working ability of GSD...followed..by..Rottie..dobbie & other working breed in Germany to determine whether they r suitable for breeding or not. The test include a tracking test , obedience & protection (willingness to protect their owners from harm) ...u should take opportunity to take a look (how I envy u.......Sly)
maybe u can chk out this site



Do check their EVENTS...followed by 'Regional Events' and they have a few trials lining up in California if I m not mistaken...hopefully somewhere near ur place..!! hey maybe u can even see some DDR GSD in the trials..


Until next time.....cheers...Wink..!!






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


(This post was edited by Polluxx on Jul 9, 2003, 6:19 AM)


Polluxx
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Jul 9, 2003, 6:16 AM

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Hi Alex,

Glad to see u in this thread, I thk u dun have to worry abt ur rottie, if I m not mistaken..being only 1.5 yrs old it is still gonna grow (putting on muscle, head grow bigger..etc..)

Maybe chilimson can advise u....
p/s : he is our expert on board on Rottie..! Tongue

So where did u get ur rottie in JB..?? I didn't know any JB breeder wt Yugo Rottie...only knew of a few wt German line. How abt the dam, where is she from..?? By the way what is the sire & dam name if u dun mind !!

I agree wt u , I thk there is a lot of backyard & puppy mills rottie breeder in m'sia nowadays. A lot of them r in only for the money wt no concern for the breed health & also this indiscriminate breeding has turn a up a lot of temperament problem rottie. I myself kno of a fren (actually my fren's brother) who took their rottie (no pedigree, no health check) to breed wt another female rottie just to get another one as their rottie is getting old & sell the rest of the litter.

I thk u dun have to worry abt joining the show, as long as ur rottie dun have disqualifying faults such as long coat , undershot/overshot jaw, missing teeth...etc. I m sure u can still participate in the show without any problem. Actually it doesn't matter whether u can win or not but the fun u have together wt ur dog is what that counts....Wink

Have fun....cheers Smile






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


mackmack
Doggyman


Jul 9, 2003, 10:57 AM

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Polluxx~

Getting a k9-companion? that's what I always wanted too after went back to Msia. But keeping a dog is a commitment. if i'm not ready now, I won't go for it no matter how doggie-maniac I am. Moreover, I have plenty of chances to pat dogs everywhere I go in US. Odie, the GR belongs to Strawhoney, he's fun to play with too.

you are not the only one who urge me to go for dog shows in US, especially I'm now in California where plenty of dogs shows are going on like almost weekly. Ok Ok... I shall go and find out the venue, date, and events. I'm now in Sillicon valley, can you give me an idea where about to start with? Don't tell me AKC, i always get lost while browsing their site... too much info, dunno which one to look up for. But if you do know the URL for particular events in certain area, pls share with me.

Til now, I'm still not keen in GSD. Still cant get myself a strong reason.Tongue


--I have Howling Bean and Lazy Mack.--


Alexthian
Dog Kichi

Jul 9, 2003, 4:12 PM

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Smile so great to read your reply,if i'm not mistake,polluxx you aslo came from jb right? about the breeder in jb,i can let you know his name and the kennel name la,...but i think i better tell you thought the email loo....because too sensitiff here...hope you can under stand..


Polluxx
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Jul 11, 2003, 5:02 AM

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Hi ,

Just found out that my earlier reply to u has just been overide wt a day old database Frown ... anyway..do chk out the following web sites on Schutzhund trial ;

www.germanshepherddog.com/
www.dvgamerica.com/

BTW how did u use phoro as ur Avatar..? m thinking of using my dog picture as my Avatar..Wink

have fun..Smile






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


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mackmack
Doggyman


Jul 11, 2003, 8:18 AM

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Hi Polluxx~

SmileYup, i saw your previous reply, I also wrote u a reply on that too.... but all gone. I've clicked into the "previous" URL that u sent me, but there's no address for the venue. Hehehhe.... I remember u asked for my age... eh, I talked like an OLD lady meh?Mad just passed my 26 bday on tuesday~Blush

Mmm.... the AVATAR pic. You may goto EDIT PROFILE, there browse your favourite doggie pic and upload. You shall see it attached to all of your posts instantly. TRY it~ and you may change it from time to time as you wish~Wink


--I have Howling Bean and Lazy Mack.--


Polluxx
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Jul 11, 2003, 8:33 PM

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Hi ,

So have u been to the 2 sites...I recomended...? ? Anyway I hope u will like it..!

No lah.....me know ur not old la......just tot that I should NOT be asking a girl "how old is her.." Tongue...btw..hope I m not too late "HAPPY 26th BIRTHDAY" ...CoolCoolCool..!!

BTW way did ever have any obsession wt digging ? ? well my GSD (abt 7 mths old) is now so obsesed wt digging that my small garden is almost botak now. Just read on another forum, they suggest putting some chili underneath the area the dog likes to dig...hmmmm...will be trying this over the weekend..! Laugh ....my mum is so frustated now....she say she will 'rotan' the dog if she catch him doing this..! Shocked the problem is he will only dig when nobody is around like at mid-nite or during the daytime when everybody is out.....me think he is playing a game of cat & mouse wt us...!! Crazy...other than that he is a very good boy...Wink...!






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)

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