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Amber.Faith
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Feb 16, 2008, 9:54 AM

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"Pedigree indicates what the animal should be.
Conformation indicates what the animal appears to be.
But performance indicates what the animal actually is."
Anonymous


Pedigree indicates what the animal should be.


Conformation indicates what the animal appears to be.


But performance indicates what the animal actually is.



(Amber-Mae at an Agility Trial)

I really like this quote, it makes sense to me! I had never seen this one before and came across it on a breeders website, if I was a breeder this is what I would strive for. If I felt that strongly about one breed to want to advocate for it solely, I love all three of my dogs mostly for their unique and true working ability (for their breed) combined with the individual beauty and sense of humour they all have.

Beauty & brains, that's what we're looking for in a dog. I think it's totally pointless in having a dog (pedigree or not) if it's beautiful but can't do a single thing! Mongrels & mixed breeds have their own beauty & personalities & I strongly believe that they should have a purpose too! Doesn't mean when your dog is a mongrel it should be treated like one too... All dogs should be trained! They look up to their owners to give them guidance in their lives becoz their owners are the alphas so, train them & give them jobs!


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chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 17, 2008, 6:32 AM

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Not everyone so free like you ma.


Amber.Faith
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Feb 17, 2008, 7:13 AM

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Oh, that is not a very good excuse. No time, then don't get a dog. Right? Aiyah, you should know mah... And no one is asking them to train their dogs as well as my Amber mah unless they want to, then I think that's great. At least they are pushing their dogs to a higher level & striving for anything they could strive for. Actually, just OB train it. It's good enough. Or something instead of making it stay at home & become couch potatoes all day & do nothing at all in its entire life! Or just let the dog live in the porch & become guard dogs. Especially Pedigrees. For example, what are Silkies bred for? If they are bred for a reason, then train it to do that certain job. If cannot, then at least OB train it... Not too difficult right? The reason why we got dogs was not only becoz we want dogs just for a change after having cats for almost 15 years & the reason why we got pedigrees was not becoz we dislike mongrels. We got dogs becoz we want to enjoy life & activities with them. We work as teams & we try every single thing that life has got to offer, new activities, whatever no matter how hard they are! We strive for everything! And the reason why we got Pedigrees was becoz we know their characters & personalities & they were bred to do a certain job like for example Goldens, they were bred to mainly do retrieving. Dalmatians were bred to become fire dogs. Since there's no such sports here in Malaysia, we do something else instead which is OB. And then we slowly progressed & started doing other sports & stuff. There's nothing wrong with breeding dogs for shows but it's very important that the dog has brains too... When the dog is intelligent, don't let it go to waste. Dogs having brains is very important more than beauty actually... But, it's always nice to have both, isn't it? There's one dog who I know who is a Grand Champion Show Dog, OB Champion & Tracking Champion. This is a Gordon Setter from Australia. Now this is what I call a full package! Amber's gonna breed with a well trained male Golden in a few months time & we are gonna make sure that the pups are sold to people who WILL bring them for training. Everybody will want an intelligent dog, wouldn't ya? If I would to buy another pup next time, I will buy a pup that comes from parents who are well trained. At least I know the pup's genes are good & it should be just as intelligent as its parents. I will forget about its beauty 1st to be honest... But like I said earlier on, it's nice to have both instead of one only.Frown


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chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 17, 2008, 3:42 PM

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Basicallly in this tread is about you telling the whole world you own 3 dogs with beauty & brain.

Then condem other dog owners that they are owning dog for the wrong reason.

Amber.Faith you must understand everyone is different. Everyone have their own life. You have yours too. Not every dog owners have time to train their dog to become a champion whether in showring or agility.

We as a human being that owned dog must gave our uncondition love to the dog. That is the most important thing of owning a dog. What is the point when you train a dog that win BIG in showring or agility but you just ignore and put them aside at home. I see many of this kind of ppls. They just are not dog lover, they using the dog as a tool to become famous. They employ trainer to train the dog when the time come for competition they just handle the dog only.

Good luck in your breeding.


Amber.Faith
Old Kaki


Feb 19, 2008, 2:18 AM

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Wahhhh!!! Condemn ah??? That's not a very nice word to use here... I didn't find any passage or line that was condemning. I think you better read my original post & my previous reply one more time. Chrisong, every single dog no matter what breed, your dogs, my dogs, other people's dogs, they ALL have their own beauty & brains. Don't your dogs have too? Ofcourse you will say yes! Don't other people's dogs have too? Ofcourse they will say yes too!

Chrisong, in my previous reply, I did not mention that their owners or even you have to train your dogs till champions! I thought I mentioned, just train OB, it is good enough. Training is very very very important no matter what breed the dog is, no matter which line it comes from & no matter if it was a stray before or not.

If you were an OB trainer, you would understand & would tell this to all your students too. Ofcourse the dog requires love & care & no, I have not met any dogs that have been neglected nor mistreated but are well trained & champions. If I was mistreating Amber, just using her to win everything becoz I WANT her to, then wouldn't she look like shit by today? Wouldn't she not love me? Wouldn't she be in bad shape by now? Definitely yes but she's not becoz I love & care for her & ofcourse I want her to be good in anything that she can do! If I knew what was hurting her or was making her not happy, I would stop right away.

It is very important that the dog's brain is developed. Say you have a child. You make him/her go to school. Why do you want to make your child go to school when he/she already has so much love & care & all the things that he/she needs in his/her life? What for? It's becoz you want his/her brains to develop so that he/she can have a carrier next time, right? Well, dogs should be given the same opportunity too. And again, I'm not telling everyone in the world that they MUST train their dogs till they excel & become champions. No, just train your dog OB if you can't train it for something else. Is that too much to ask?

Okay, here's some common sense. If they have time to watch television everyday, if they have time to cook, if they have time to use the computer & if they have time to bathe their dogs every week, why can't they have time to train their dogs? No one is asking them to train their dogs everyday! Atleast bring the dog to school for one hour class only. Or if really really really really cannot, then 5 mins at home. I think it's so simple. Just put in a little effort, that's all! Or else the dog's brain become kosong, you know?

It's great to have a dog that gives love back to you but wouldn't it be much wonderful if it was trained too? I think so & I think other people think so too especially those who have trained their dogs. Everybody will ant a beautiful & intelligent dog. I don't know about you but I think your dogs are beautiful but it's up to you if you want to rain. Hey, we trainers can only give advice to dog owners & it's really up to them if they want to do it or not. Just like us trying to tell irresponsible owners who let their dogs loose. We tell them not to & tell them the consequences on having a dog loose on the road & so on. If they want to listen, then great but if they don't, is there anything we an do? Only punishment for the irresponsible owners lah but for training, we can't punish the owners.

You're right, it depends on every owners & their lifestyle but a little effort is required. But that excuse you made in the previous reply is not good at all.

So this is my advice to all owners. Train your dogs & develop dog's brains. Dogs need guidance in their lives & they look up to you as their masters. Most important thing that the dogs require the most is ofcourse love & care but the number two most important thing is TRAINING.


Amber.Faith
Old Kaki


Feb 19, 2008, 3:22 AM

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Oh & about the breeding, if there's any advice you'd like to give, please do. My Dalmatian's breeder is now breeding Poodles. And he said, when his male dog mates with his female, he says they both don't really have to have a lock in order for the female to get pregnant. His female got pregnant without any lock. Can this happen sometimes? Or is it just a 50-50 percent chance only? And then he said, breeding is not much work at all. Is it true?


acsyen
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Feb 19, 2008, 4:11 PM

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Waaa... Dun be so direct la.. even if this is the truth. But I do agree with you. No point replying more to this thread.

P/S: Amber why do you post something when you can't take people's comment? This is a forum and everyone is entitled to their own comments. Of cos we can't see the dirt on our own nose so when other people sees it we have to accept it. Truth hurts right? So dun post something that will backfire on you.

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PSY
K9 Kaki


Feb 19, 2008, 4:28 PM

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Hi Amber, do not worry about it as I am sure you are not Chris do have a knack saying the wrong things at the wrong time.. most of the time. There are posting complaining about him, he stay low profile for awhile and now seems to have resurface. Do note he too advertise how many dogs he has at the end of each posting so he really can't talk. You do what you know is right and am sure Chris will do what he thinks is right. Oh, Christ you mentioned about dog shows and MKA not doing anything about organising shows for 2008, did you go to the EGM, did you vote? If not, then not much to say. (Subject on show will not be mention again on this thread so please need not point it out.)


chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 19, 2008, 4:45 PM

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Vote? You must be joking.

Both side also lousy ppls. All of them look like gangters. So childish.


(This post was edited by chrisong on Feb 19, 2008, 4:53 PM)


chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 19, 2008, 4:57 PM

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Sorry lah. Since someone posted a thread. Amber.Faith also need ppls response right? If she can't take ppls comment. That's fine for me.

I have no hard feeling not like some ppls just like to come in add more petrol into a fire.


PSY
K9 Kaki


Feb 19, 2008, 9:45 PM

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Fair comment, but not voting is not helping plus complaining here is not doing any good either. So now would you like to run for presidency or if not do you know who the oppositions are?


Amber.Faith
Old Kaki


Feb 20, 2008, 4:04 AM

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Sometimes I get really confused becoz the WHOLE point of this post was just "train your dogs". That was it! I did not condemn those who show their dogs, I did not condemn who just keep dogs as pets & I did not condemn those who just make their dogs become champions & then don't love them. And yes, I would love to hear what others would say but I don't really like it when people just backfire you when this post was just to tell people that no matter what breed your dog is, all dogs should be trained. Maybe Chrisong did not really understand the whole point of this post. Maybe not just him, maybe others too... So what I try to do here is, I try to make them understand what I'm trying to say. But when people just say, "You condemn this lah you condemn that lah!" without even understanding what was my purpose of posting this post here in the 1st place, then I really need to rephrase & explain to them one more time. I also can't stand people who compare my age with others & talk like they know more than me when they don't even know me or know what I do. I shall not name who that person is becoz it's not appropriate or nice to do so... So sometimes, I get really really confused. This post was not started to start fights or debates. I'm sure you understand what this post is all about right Acsyen? That's why I have a feeling Chrisong misunderstood something that was written in my original post... I don't dislike him becoz of this. All he needed was just a little bit of explanation that's all! But sometimes he can be a little too direct...


(This post was edited by Amber.Faith on Feb 20, 2008, 4:33 AM)


chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 20, 2008, 4:13 AM

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Amber.Faith no feeling OKWink

Forum is for ppls to express their opinion. If you can't take ppls comment better don't post. Is that simple.

That why when you reply me. I also didn't reply u back cause both of our view are different. Like what acsyen say no point continue for discussion. But there are some ppls like to make thing worst in the forum by adding some salt & pepper to make the topic spice up.

So just continue your wonderful work with your dogs.


chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 20, 2008, 4:17 AM

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Fair comment, but not voting is not helping plus complaining here is not doing any good either. So now would you like to run for presidency or if not do you know who the oppositions are?



I have much more better thing to do than involving myself in this stupid dog politic.

All bunch of crazy dogs bitting each other. I enjoying myself watching all the drama going on now


Amber.Faith
Old Kaki


Feb 20, 2008, 4:26 AM

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Neh, I'm fine... I just hope you understood what was my whole purpose of posting that post in the 1st place. It's nothing about show dogs & all that. I was just trying to tell others that training is very very important.


Amber.Faith
Old Kaki


Feb 20, 2008, 4:41 AM

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Hi PSY, maybe he got a little offended when I put that quote in but I wasn't the one who wrote the quote, it was someone else & I think that quote makes sense. I understand you do train dogs too right? I think you understand this quote. Do you think training is very important too all dogs? I think so. I really think dog's brains & body should be utilized.


chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 20, 2008, 5:13 AM

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I know what is OB & agility. Before I started involving in dog show, first thing I do was train with my dogs in OB at MKA. I totally understand wat it take to train up a well handle dog doing well in OB or agility.

That why I say. Not everyone is free like you. Everyone have their life. Some work from 9am-5pm, some even have to work on weekend, does that mean this ppls can't have dog? NO. They can have dog provided they gave the dog basic need like shelter, food, & lot of LOVE!!! Training in OB & agility is OPTIONAL is not a MUST thing to do with dog.

Unless you are talking about other training that I didn't know.


Amber.Faith
Old Kaki


Feb 20, 2008, 6:21 AM

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Actually the truth is, training is love. Sure training it's not a compulsory thing but they SHOULD be trained to stimulate it mentally & physically. Whenever they are free, they should put some effort into training it. Just like I said, cannot bring it to school once a week, if that bad, then train it at home. 5 mins is good enough! But keep on going. Training is for life. There's never an ending to training. Spend time with the dog. Sure, getting a dog as a companion, is totally fine. Nothing wrong with that but training makes you spent time with the dog, bond with the dog, work as a team. We got dogs as companions too but we go around together, work together, do activities together. That's what I call bonding. So training is one of the MOST important thing becoz training is love. No one would train their dogs when they do not love them. Becoz training is spending time with them...


PSY
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Feb 20, 2008, 3:55 PM

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Ok, see how things are going out of context, one thing leading to another. My personal feeling is what ever the breed, know your breed, what it was bred to do and keep to the standard accepted by norm and train it to show off the attribute of the breed. In short, breed a better dog and train it to do what it is suppose to do, this means obedience, (listenning to command). To Chris, as for "time availability" if you cannot and do not know how to "time manage yourself" do not have so many hobbies. I, too work 9 to 5 plus on call at times, I manage to work my dogs every day so I cannot see why you can't as you come across to be an expert in dogs in particular silkies. On MKA, things aren't, to many, looking good but know this, I did my part, you didn't so don't complain.

Amber, not going to string this thread on anymore as someone out there is going to write "this is the wrong thread"


chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 20, 2008, 6:37 PM

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For you training is love. But you cannot apply this to all other dog owners that they must follow what you do best. This is call selfish.

Other dog owners show their love in different way like pampering their dog and treat them like King & Queen in the house. That also is call love.


chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 20, 2008, 6:45 PM

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Why you say I didn't train my dogs? Did I say I didn't have time do to it. Please read my post carefully before writing something I didn't say.

I only disagree with Amber.Faith regarding training dog is a MUST to all dog owner.

She might have the time & passion in training her dogs but this cannot apply to all dog owners must follow her foot step.


PSY
K9 Kaki


Feb 20, 2008, 8:16 PM

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I know what is OB & agility. Before I started involving in dog show, first thing I do was train with my dogs in OB at MKA. I totally understand wat it take to train up a well handle dog doing well in OB or agility.

That why I say. Not everyone is free like you. Everyone have their life. Some work from 9am-5pm, some even have to work on weekend, does that mean this ppls can't have dog? NO. They can have dog provided they gave the dog basic need like shelter, food, & lot of LOVE!!! Training in OB & agility is OPTIONAL is not a MUST thing to do with dog.

Unless you are talking about other training that I didn't know.


The above that you have written, implied so. If otherwise then maybe you should make it clear. As you well know from previous posting you have put yourself in this predicament and yet you have not change so it is only obvious to conclude that you are doing it delibrately. Check out "Chit Chat" ( I think) on forum members complain.


chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 20, 2008, 8:54 PM

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Implying I not training my dogs? Hmmmm..........can please tell us how u concluded my above statement that didn't train my dogs?

Please stop insulting ppls & stick to the orginal post discussion. Thank you.


PSY
K9 Kaki


Feb 20, 2008, 9:19 PM

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You implied you have no time.... so it is also obvious you have no time to train, everything you say and other response and then you get all knotted up. "Not all people have time" you wrote it not me. Please if there is nothing contructive you can say do not say anything at all.... just apply the same attitude you have to MKA.


Amber.Faith
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Feb 21, 2008, 12:46 AM

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Chrisong, this is not called selfish, this is called educating those who don't know how much benefit they can get from training their dogs. Honestly, I don't know where people & even you got this idea of pampering & treating dogs like queen & kings? Same thing with, tying dogs outside 24/7 & then calling their dogs "guard dogs" when they're actually not. Really, where did you guys get this idea from?

If you had a child, would you spoil it by giving it EVERYTHING he wants, what he wants to do only, disobeying & being rude to you, embarrassing you in public, crying & screaming at the top of its lungs & demanding? Is that what you want in a child? It's exactly the same as dogs. I have boarded one VERY spoiled & annoying Maltese once. OMG! I can't tell you how much I wanted to strangle it? It was all the owners fault for making her like that. The Maltese always demands to be carried, whine & whine & whine, refuse to eat the food that the owners give. Only wants human food. Wants to do her own thing, disobeys the owner, marking ALL over our house despite we scolding her (yes, we were the ones who infact had to scold her. The owners did nothing but just stood there & watched us cleaning up her pee) but when the owner is supposed to correct the dog, she carries it instead. I mean like what??? And then complain, oh why my dog always make so much noise & pee all over the house ah? I would have told her straight away that it was infact HER fault for spoiling her dog till it's like one spoiled child! But ofcourse how can I do that right...

Dogs are not cats. Dogs have the tendency of disobeying & disrespecting the owners. We as trainers always tell owners to NEVER carry their small dogs too often becoz this will make them so spoiled & the moment the owners put them down on the ground, they become so scared & then demands to be carried again.

Dogs are dogs. They were not made as fashion accessories or as trophies. "They were made for a purpose". This is what I'm trying to tell you. If the owner wants to get a dog, sure nothing wrong with that! But what do they want in a dog? Even if they say they want it as a guard dog only, train it to be like one. Don't call it a guard dog when it doesn't behave like one. Most people's idea of a guard dog is, fierce & aggressive. All they can do is bark bark bark & then bite people. That is not a guard dog! The so-called guard dogs can't tell the difference between a postman, neighbors & a thieve. It can bite anybody! I also don't get it when rescuers try to find new homes for the dogs they have rescued. I respect what they do & I know one or two here who vet each new owner to make sure that the dogs they've rescued, goes to new loving homes. But when they call the dog "very good guard dog", it's like, what is that suppose to mean? Hey, I can call my dogs guard dogs too. They bark at everyone who walk pass our house but the moment the thieve actually comes in, they run away. Same thing with the other dogs that I see in the neighborhood. They show aggressiveness behind the bars but when my dogs come close or even if we come close, they move back & hide. Is this what we call guard dogs?

So, let me clarify one more time. TRAINING IS VERY IMPORTANT no matter if your dog is a show dog, a mongrel, a beautiful or a ugly dog. Their brains must be developed or it really becomes vegetables & then they learn bad habits & wrong things! Those who pamper their dogs, sure love their dogs but they really are spoiling their dog's brains. You may think training is not so important, better think again. The dog is sharper, responds to you better, much more well behaved at home, listens to the owners & they make a much much more wonderful pets. Believe me... People will only realize this when they do train their dogs.

We trainers can only give advise & tell them what benefit they can get from a trained dog. But if they think training is not very important, then there's nothing else we can do. They will only realize it IF they put in some effort into training their dogs. And one more time, 5 mins at home, not a big deal!


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Amber.Faith
Old Kaki


Feb 21, 2008, 12:51 AM

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Absolutely agree with you! That was what the quote meant... I really believe all dogs should be trained.


chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 21, 2008, 4:05 AM

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"Not all people have time" mean me?

I only dislike the way committee members handle thing not MKA. Overall MKA image are so bad in many MKA member eyes. They should accept critics & buck-up and do something about it. By not listening to MKA members complain & trying to avoiding thing its not going to help clear their bad image.


chrisong
Doggyman

Feb 21, 2008, 4:28 AM

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Dogs are dogs. They were not made as fashion accessories or as trophies. "They were made for a purpose". This is what I'm trying to tell you.

Sorry I very lazy read your long message here. I didn't say training is not IMPORTANT!!! I just say not everyone have the time to train their dog. THAT IT!!! AIYOCrazy Ask you questions based on the above statement. Since you mention in your first & second post you should train your dog what they were breed for. Few questions for u. What is the purpose of a GR Dog Breed? Are GR/Dogs suppose to be breed & train in doing dancing & entertain human being? Use them as a tool to generate income? Is that mean in all adoption puppy/dog section Admin should include "TRAINING YOUR DOG A MUST TO ALL ADOPTER"? I think chances the puppy/dog being adopted a so low many will end up dead. Good luck to Amber.Faith breeding beauty with brain GR. Hope to hear more about you in future. Good luck to PSY. hmmmm.....wat ar? become MKA president lah. Last post to you & PSY. No point continue discussion but I still continue replying few post. DAMN it.Unsure Really take up alot of my time in internet replying. Better use the time spend with my dogs.


Amber.Faith
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Feb 21, 2008, 6:45 AM

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Chrisong, I'm quite tired of explaining & replying some more lah. I really need a break at least for a while but I will rely this one bit. Like I said in one of my replies. GRs are bred to retrieve ducks BUT since Malaysia don't practice this sport, what to do? Train OB. Malaysia has a few dog sports to offer so do those sports instead. Well like I said, owners decision. If they want to train then GREAT! But if no, what can we do? So, now you get it? This whole post was actually to advice owners to train their dogs. These kind of posts is very important especially to those who are thinking of getting a dog. I noticed when it comes to these kind of educating posts, no one will reply. Instead, they will go to the adoption forum to look for a dog not wanting to learn the important facts of owning a dog 1st. Malaysians are like this half past six. Not willing to learn, not willing to listen. You see, who's replying this post only? You, Acsyen & PSY. The active ones ONLY! I was hoping that new members who are still learning about dogs or who are gonna get a dog reply to this post to learn more about owning a dog & that to know that training is very important. Well, I guess they all just want to get a dog for what purpose? I have no idea. What to do you tell me?????? I'm quite disappointed. I think I'm just really wasting my time & breath explaining. I wish Malaysians change their mindsets & attitudes about owning dogs. Dogs are like children & they need the same requirements & infact everything that a child needs in its life till it grows up.


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robros
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Feb 21, 2008, 11:41 PM

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Dear Amber.Faith,

I absolutely agree with you in terms of training. VERY VERY important. Used to have 2 rottweilers and having breed such a rottie, cannot emphasis more on the importance of OB training. If not may get famous in the papers; rottweiler attack!, etc, etc.

The dogs also thrives on OB training and it brings the owners closer to their dogs. Dogs are very much like children. Need to know/understand the clear instructions, expectations, boundaries, limitations and who is the alpha leader, etc, etc.

When I took my rotties for OB training & puppy.com get together previously, a couple of times they were attacked by other dogs such as min pins, maltese, etc. I am proud to say that despite being bitten, they did not retaliate. You can imagine the consequences of a retaliation by a rottie!

Pity when I strongly advised the owners of these sakai dogs (so out of control despite their small size), the owners had the cheek to tell me that rotties should be banned from public events...as if my dogs did something wrong.

No need to get so heated up lor. We are all dog lovers but have different opinions on the way to manage our fur-kids but we do have one common love - dogs.


mickey123
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Feb 22, 2008, 5:10 AM

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Amber,

sorry to interrupt.. do you know why nobody is answering?? cause don't want to involve ourself into both of your debate.. ( I don't know what other people's thinkingbut for me, if I see people debating.. I won't say anything until they end their debating.. :)). So, please don't blame others for not replying your post.. :)

by the way, sending our furkid to OB is good for both the dog and us.. cause this class will let the owner know how to communicate with the dog.. but, we'll need to spend time practising with our furkid, if not after attending the class also no effect at all.. and all of these, need TIME..

anyway, my furkid will attend her first OB class this coming Sunday.. :) don't know how she'll react.. hope that she's fine.. :)


(This post was edited by mickey123 on Feb 22, 2008, 5:12 AM)


Amber.Faith
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Feb 22, 2008, 6:37 AM

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Yeah true...Well, gotta have debates sometimes right. Everybody will have their own opinions & thinking. Training is part of responsible ownership too. I just hope new owners will consider bringing their dogs for training. They will realize how wonderful the pet can be when it's trained. Ofcourse, don't stop in the middle of basic or pupy class lah. The dog has not learned anything yet! Atleast reach up to Pre-Novice & then they can see the difference in their dogs & they can feel proud of their dogs especially after what the dog has achieved (eg: new command) People who say training is not so important or what good is training for, they don't know becoz they have not tried it yet. Once they do, they will really know & understand what I'm trying to say here. Anyway, will see you & your pup this Sunday. Going for puppy or basic class? How old is she? Remember to bring lots of cold water for her as it'll be quite hot there. Wait, you'll be training your pup at Taman Desa is it?


mickey123
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Feb 22, 2008, 6:46 AM

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oh.. no.. I'm not taking her to Tmn Desa.. cause I'm staying in Ipoh..

I'll go to the YWCA, Ipoh for training.. it's organized by the..

I went to the training centre last Sunday, and talked to the trainer already.. He asked me to bring my furkid this Sunday for the class.. so, sorry.. you won't be seeing me in Tmn Desa until my furkid finishes her training (10 weeks).. I can't travel until she finishes her training.. Frown so, need to stay in Ipoh for this coming 10 weekends.. I will bring her go travelling again after her training... (I used to travel to KL or Penang during weekends --- not every weekends, but quite often --- cause my brother and sister are staying there). So, you won't be seeing me in Tmn Desa this weekends..

I will bring my furkid to KL again after she finishes her training. I might join the Saturday morning Gasing Hill dog gathering if I were there.. so, see ya..


oops.. forget to tell you.. my furkid is a black female lab, 6 months plus.


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Amber.Faith
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Feb 22, 2008, 8:03 AM

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Oh okay! Well, I just hope her training goes well. One important thing for you to know, be consistent on everything. If she does something wrong, immediately correct her. Praising is so so so important! So anything she does right & pleases you, praise her in a happy tone. Giving treats or toys as rewards is good. But if she's not motivated by either of those two, praising will do but remember, praising has got to be very enthusiastic. Just a piece of my two cents. Good luck with her training! Hope to meet you & your Lab one day...


myzanordin
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Feb 22, 2008, 9:54 PM

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Yup, I agree with Amber too on training. Not that is a must, but it is for the betterment of the furkid. My min. pin has improved a lot from what he was 6 mths ago. Training not only bond handler and dog but also a good way to socialise your furkids'.

Robros, yes, I have seen many rotties who are so gentle. In fact, one of Basco's classmate is a Rottie. Very patient and gentle. Saw it licking one of the classmate that day. In fact, one of the silky was such a barker and ready to attack, but, the Rottie was so cool bout it.. I guess, its the training that helps them to relax and obey....(hmm...but I wonder, y it did work on the Silky though...ha ha ha )

Small breed (tend to exagerate, like mine lah) ..but with the training, they learn to LEAVE.....(ignore and behave when asked to)...Its true, training does help. But, handler needs a bit of commitment too. Dont just expect things to change overnite, the least 5 min. practise a day, to refresh their memory.....or sharpen the skill...

I work long hours too...but try as much to practise before and after work...Some dogs learn faster, some are slow and stubborn..handlers have to be patience and jgn cepat putus asa.....


mickey123
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Feb 26, 2008, 6:10 AM

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Laughwell, my furkid's first day to school.. it's terrible ! ahahaha... cause she's so curious that she can't pay attention to both the trainer and me... Pirate

and because she's black in colour, she "heat" up really fast.. hahah.. so, after heeling for 2 round, she'll need to rest.. For the first day, she didn't do much.. but, she's damn tired!!! she needed water.. and I only brought a small bottle of water that day.. it was my fault.. I thought that she wouldn't want to drink when she's outside cause we did bring her to climb hills during weekends and she only drinks little of water for the trip..

by the way, cause we trained the dog outdoor.. not indoor.. plus it's 10 am in the morning and it's a sunny day.. so, my poor girl got no stamina at all.. so, only do very little traning that day.. learnt only the "heel" command.. ahhaha.. and she only did that when I had food in my hand... OMG.. Crazy

then, today, I tried to remind her the "heel" command.. so, practised with her .. you know what.. she doesn't really understand "heel".. but, she can understand when I say "walk" in hokkien.. ahhaha.. cause normally I talked to her in Hokkien.. so, she's a "hokkien" dog now.. and that's the problem to teach her heel in English now.. Pirate

by the way, will practise with her again tomorrow.. see what's the progression.. may be still the same.. only know food and hokkien.. don't understand "heel".. Laugh


Amber.Faith
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Feb 27, 2008, 3:36 AM

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Aiyoh, must bring enuf water one coz she's so black & can get overheated fast. Important to bring some cold ice water. To keep them cold, put them in a flask with few cubes or ice. We bring two every week...

It's her 1st day, don't worry. Sure thing dogs will not know what the heck you're saying. I mean, what's 'heel' to her? It's a new word she's learning. Actually, u to you to use any commands you want just as long you're doing the right thing & you do it right. If you want to use the command "walk", go ahead. What ever word that you think you're comfortable with it or your dog prefers, then use that word. Can be chinese too... But for your trainer, I don't know if he allows it. You try & ask him next week.

Take it slow with her. Always encourage her, don't tighten leash & strangle her I see many new students doing that to their dog. That will not teach the dog to heel with you properly. It's just forcing. So just loosen it to a u-shape & then if she moves out of place, goes forward or lags behind, encourage her to come close. Give a little tug & say "close" ow whatever.


mickey123
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Feb 27, 2008, 5:35 AM

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well, great news.. new improvement.. I'm so happy just now.. without a leash.. I tried it again with the "heel" word.. surprisingly, she really follow me, walk by my side.. just that not so close.. I will let her walk closer next time.. :) After walking for some time, I turn around, and she followed too.. Great !!! (my heart was screaming). .. then, after some walk, I said "sit".. and she really do.. so, I praised her.. I tried it for the 2nd and 3rd time.. she did it really well.. so, I finally rewarded her with a treat.. Sly


Amber.Faith
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Feb 28, 2008, 12:50 AM

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That's good to hear! But don't celebrate too much yet. She just started learning. Doesn't mean she will heel off-leash perfectly with you now, means she will do it again next time. She will still need to be on leash. Right now, she's just following the treat in your hand. And that's good but you'll need a leash just for a back up. Use your voice as the leash (meaning encouragement, giving commands, etc)


mickey123
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Feb 28, 2008, 1:45 AM

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well, I went happy too early.. hahaha..Laugh know what, I found out that she hates the choke chain.. Pirateshe keeps biting the new leash and the choke chain while walking during the practice just now.. Unsure may be she just doesn't get use to the choke chain.. and it's not comfortable... Hope that by practising, she'll get used to the choke chain.. Unsure


Amber.Faith
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Feb 28, 2008, 2:31 AM

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Yes, dogs wearing choke chains for the 1st time will not like it & will either pull away from it or will not walk at all. But doesn't mean when she's like this, you let her get away with it. Put it on & then let her wear it for a few days. When putting it on, reward & praise her. Tell her that the choke chain does no harm. Everytime you train her, put it on to remind her that it is training time. When leashing it, try not to put any pressure on it. Does she pull on it? If she doesn't, then no jerking is required. Just get her attention a3ay from the lead & choke chain by asking her to 'heel' beside you with the treat in your hand luring her. Take it slow...


PSY
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Feb 28, 2008, 4:15 AM

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Wow, glad things are back to normal, been busy but I think we manage to get the point home about "time management".... you know spending more time with the dogs.

You are right about training, never let your dog dominate you, for certain breed, once you let them you will never get it train.


mickey123
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Feb 28, 2008, 6:52 AM

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er... may I know the right way to put on the choke chain?? cause I suspect that I put wrongly..Blush that's why she hates it so much..

she pull the choke chain, that's why she's uncomfortable...

I tried to use food to get her attention..then, she kept jumping and tried to get the food from my hand.. Pirate I said no to her.. but, she kept doing that.. by the way, ended up walking side by side with me (but need some time to get her calm down and walk with me) and I rewarded her with her treat...


Amber.Faith
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Feb 28, 2008, 7:17 AM

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Oh, putting the choke chain the right way is very important or else it will just straggle or hurt the dog. You'll have to make it into a 'P' shape. It's quite hard to explain here so just go online & do a research on how to put on choke chain on dog. It's very simple. It must also be smooth & that it should be easy to release the pressure on her neck.

When she keeps on jumping, stop & stand still. Hold the treat in your hand & look away, ignoring her UNTIL she calms down & sit. Then only you reward her. You want that behaviour, you don't want to encourage her to keep on jumping on you. After that you can continue doing heeling with her. She keeps jumping again, do the same thing again. Stop & ignore.

She's just excited about the treat & there's nothing wrong with that. The whole idea is you want her to get excited about her treat but at the same time, you want her to perform properly. Not jumping up & down like a hooligan! Perform & finish the exercise properly & then you can reward her. That's the way to do it...


(This post was edited by Amber.Faith on Feb 28, 2008, 7:23 AM)


mickey123
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Feb 29, 2008, 5:24 AM

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thanks for the tips.. I just got the pic showing me the correct way of putting the choke chain..

I also forgot the way i put the choke chain the day before.. hahaha.. don't know it's the correct way or not.. by the way, I just tried the correct way, and she's ok with it .. not really hates it any more.. still bit it for a while.. but, after that, she's ok already..Laugh

so, I might be putting the wrong way for her during last practise time.. hahahaha...


Amber.Faith
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Feb 29, 2008, 7:49 AM

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How come the trainer didn't check ah? Usually trainers will check all the new students' dogs' choke chains to make sure they were put the right way...Anyway, just remember to put it on the right way everytime & only put it on during training time, no matter at home or at the training grounds.


mickey123
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oh.. actually it's not the trainer's fault.. it's me that forgot which is the correct way of putting it on..

I didn't buy any choke chain on that first training day.. so, the trainer did show me the correct way of using choke chain.. but, it's me that confused.. hahaha.. so, my poor little fella suffered when I practised at home.. Blush


chrisong
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Mar 1, 2008, 5:51 AM

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After many years in traininig my dogs in OB & Dog Show. I have realised that it is not necessary to use a choke chain collar to choke a dog in order to teach him something. Many dogs resent or fear the choking sensation. This does not put the dog in a good frame of mind to learn. The choke chain collar also called a strangle collar is a potentially dangerous tool. Since its uses are limited, I do not view the choke chain collar as a collar of choice.

The collar is used primarily to guide the dog not correct him. You can either use leather collar or wide buckle collar on your dog. By allowing the dog a chance to response on leather or buckle collar, you preserve his sensitivity. In the end the dog must response because you told him to not because of what collar he is wearing. Once the dog is off leash, the collar is useless.

What choke chain collar can do to your dog - http://www.uwsp.edu/.../dog/LA/hawgood1.htm


mickey123
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thanks for the info.. after reading that, know how scary it is if I misuse the choke chain..

I think I'll only use the choke chain during the training time (and try not to choke her) cause it's requested by the trainer..Unsure I'll be more carefull while training...

She has her own collar (not leather but the wide buckle collar with a bell.. hahaha.. cause she's too quite without a bell and you won't know if she's doing something bad...).. only put on the choke chain when she's having her training.. :)


Amanda85
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Mar 6, 2008, 10:52 PM

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a positive way to teach heeling is use treat/toy/encouragement to make your dog follow u by your side....or keep dropping treats to her mouth when she's heeling (this help to get her heel close by your side)....and a way can make her pay attention to the owner rather than looking at other places while she's heeling...

use treats that is small, so that she doesn't need to stop to chew it...

'overdose' of pulling and tugging the leash and force your dog to follow u will only make the dog dislike training session...

some dogs simply shut down and do all the training in a reluctant mood...

when u doesn't agree with some of the trainer's method, don't force yourself to comply with it, afterall u are the one paying the fees

Pacco de Mongrel
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mickey123
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thanks for the advice..

well, she'd immuned to the toy.. she gets bored to all her toy already.. so, the only way is "food" and praise..

the trainer doesn't advice me to feed her food while heeling.. cause when I let her smell the food while heeling, he said "you don't need to do that in order to let your dog pay attention to you!".. ??? really confused me a lot.. sigh...

by the way, I gave her slices of hot dog as the treat during training.. but, looks like she doesn't really attracted to the hotdog?? may be the ayam mas hot dog doesn't smell good to her?? Pirate

yeah.. she really doesn't like it when I pull her too much.. she'll show objection by sitting there and refused to move any more..

but, that's what the trainer told me to do so.. pull her and let her feel the pain, so that she'll listen to me !!! Frown


acsyen
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Mar 7, 2008, 2:53 PM

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your trainer a bit lack of experience eh? if you ever go to penang on a sunday let me know i tell u where to go to see a professional doing training for dogs. I dunno y food is not encouraged. doesn't mean that we use food we have to let the dog eat it right? Training is always based on what they are motivated at. Ur dog dun like hot dog ah? How bout those jer high treats can cut small small. Or u can always cook chicken and cut into small pieces so that they dun need time to chew it.

The pulling method doesn't work all the time..

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Amanda85
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Mar 7, 2008, 7:50 PM

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did u let toy laying all over the house and she got free access to it whenever she want? then maybe u need to keep all those toys up and only let her play with during training time...either at home or training ground.

if u think she's totally not toys motivated, get a new toy , or juz settle on treats...

before training begins, make sure she's pretty hungry and she will pay attention more...

i don't think there is such things as 'no treats during training'.... u can use what works best for your dog... she is still a new student, treats is a way to get her attention to the owner.

try to think from a dog perspective.... why she will focus on the boring owner when there are other much more interesting around... the owner juz ask her to sit, heel and stay... all those stuff are boring , if she's not being rewarded....

only reward her when she is looking up at u or focus on your hand... then she will learn to associate the focus on owner, an rewarding experience...focus is more important than an accurate sit or solid stay... focus is the fundamental in everything u wish to teach her in the future

and puppy need to be rewarded more frequent during the learning stage.... and when your dog get mature, u can minimize on rewards gradually....

at home, make sure u are the one bringing her out for daily walk, feeding her and playing with her...

training is suppose to be having fun too.... not dictatorship...

make your dog heel with a wagging tail...

Pacco de Mongrel
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mickey123
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Mar 8, 2008, 8:08 AM

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yeah, that's what I think too.. he might be lacked of experience.. cause during the 2nd training class.. he didn't even know that I put on the choke chain wrongly.. when I asked him that day, he told me that I put it correctly.. until another trainer pass by and ask my trainer to check on my dog's choke chain.. sigh...

and my trainer is not coming on this coming Sunday.. so, I'll go there and train her myself.. sigh.. so, I don't know whether she'll be ok or not during this coming Sunday...

I would love to go Penang.. but, I have to take her for training classes for 10 Sundays.. so, can't go any place until she finishes her classes..


Amber.Faith
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Mar 8, 2008, 10:59 AM

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It's not very nice for me to make any judgments on other trainers but this trainer sounds like a 1st timer to me & is still unsure. No treats during training? Now, where on earth did he get this idea of not using treats? Not all dogs are motivated with toys or anything else. There's not one trainer or even handlers in Malaysia that don't use treats for training. You do what you think is right & what makes her motivated & wanting to learn. Every trainers in Malaysia & even I have our own thinking & methods. Not all the time you have to listen to the trainer. I never really followed or even listened to Amber's Pre-Novice trainer last time becoz she was just making everything depressing. Pull her here & there especially during "finish" exercise. Sigh... So, what ever you think is right, you use that method & please use treats if she's not interested in anything else.

When you go back for your 3rd or 4th class, could you ask him to show off to you guys what his dog can do. At least you can see how he handles, gives commands & even praise & reward his dog. And you can also see what level is his dog already in! Some trainers just call themselves trainers when actually their dogs have not even passed basic or pre-novice. I know one man who goes around charging more then a thousand ringgit training rich people's dogs. The way he handles his dog is almost abusive, always shouting, praising is like in low deep growling voice & then he drags his dogs around. Anyway, we hardly talk to him anymore. So ask him to show you guys a demo using HIS dog, not someone else's...


(This post was edited by Amber.Faith on Mar 8, 2008, 11:12 AM)


mickey123
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Mar 8, 2008, 5:52 PM

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I keep her toy in a basket... she can access to the basket any time.. She'll only go to look for her toy when she's really bored ... I think that's the reason she doesn't really attract by her toy.. I will keep that basket and take it out again after some time and see what happened.. :)

at home, my dad feeds her early in the morning (about 5 something in the morning).. I'll feed her in the evening about 6 something.. both of us play with her, bring her for hill climbing etc.. so, she listen to both of us more than my mom.. but, for training.. sigh.. so far, only listen to me when she wants to.. sigh.. Pirate (I meant in the training class).. she'll follow my instruction at home.. but, not at the training class.. by the way, if the trainer trained her, she would look at me and not listen to the trainer.. Pirate so, the trainer said that when the owner is around while training, the dog won't pay their attention to the trainer.. Unsure so, end up he gave me back the leash... Crazy

I'll change to jer high and see... cause at home I use jer high salami(cut to 4 pieces).. then, at the training ground, I thought that I should change treat so that she'll be attracted to the food more.. but, looks like I am wrong..


mickey123
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Mar 8, 2008, 6:02 PM

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I did see him train his dog last lesson.. ok lor.. not obedient until listen to him 100%.. e.g. he asked her to stay while he trained my furkid.. then, his dog will stay there for a while.. then, after some time, she couldn't stand her owner training other dog, she'll get up and walk nearer.. when my furkid tries to be friend with her, she'll bark and won't let my furkid get near her.. conclusion: she gets jealous very easily and forget about her owner's command..

I did see other trainer's dog... when they ask them to stay, they really stay there and don't dare to move.. not like my trainer.. sigh..

note: his dog is a 4 year old yellow lab..


Amanda85
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Mar 9, 2008, 3:33 AM

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sometimes commercial dog treats from petshop can't compare to home-cooked...

home-cooked treats are much more delicious and cheap...

u can try cooked chicken liver... i notice most dog loves it...

sometimes u can use chicken meat in small pieces too....

or if u are into baking, u can even bake your own dog treats in large amount and store it up in the freezer, only bring out a small portion to the training class.... recipe can be found from the internet...

Pacco de Mongrel
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mickey123
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Mar 9, 2008, 9:54 PM

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chicken liver and meat.. ok.. I'd jotted down..

bake.. do you mean bake the dog biscuits? I have oven.. so, can try.. I'll search for recipe later..

thanks..

by the way, she improved a lot during this morning's training class.. my trainer didn't come, so another very experience trainer helped me to train my furkid.. she really improved.. and concentrated more on me.. I can even try the stay command.. but, only when I walked around her in a small circle.. when I go further, she will follow me.. won't stay there.. anyway, I'm really happy cause at least she can do the stay command although for a very short distant.. it's really a very good start.. :)


joanch
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Hi Chris, I need to ask you something but I couldn't get the PM works. I just need to know when you groom your silkies, do you trim the hair around their eyes?
I have a Papillon and an Australian Silky Terrier. One sheds and the other one needs grooming quite a lot

 
 




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