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supermutts
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Oct 13, 2007, 9:44 AM

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there is nothing to " shoot " about your post Sly

i think paws is still a shack along the road to old subang airport, and SPCA in ampang is better, where it is about the same as your description, not as perfect tho... ive not been there for some time....



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supermutts
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Oct 13, 2007, 10:13 AM

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OK e'one, ive dug up a complain by one of the members here, posted 2 years ago, regarding SY, mentioned by fartu, fartu becos u mentioned her, then im curious so i started to dig, i hope leecy won't mind i repost his stuff..

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I do agree with you many of SPCA personals especially volunteers are sincerely in helping the animals. But I have to admit that not all are perfect. Wish to share my own experience..

When our group of animal rescuers rescuing pets, we face some difficulty when MPSJ realise we have more than the amount of pets allowed.

But the main point is we dont blame the person who complaint as she got the very right to complain, but what sadden us is SPCA inspector, Sabrina came to our house 1 day. She didn't inform us in advance & once she reach, she didn't call us. What she did is tried to open our gate number lock & we do have witness.

Once she entered she grab our pups & start to walk away, we saw the incident so we questioned her why she take our dog? She answered bcs we receive summons from MPSJ. We insisted that she doesn't has the right to take away our dog but she threatened that if we don't let her take the dogs away, she will ask MPSJ personals right away to come to our house & catch all our rescued pets which they will being put to sleep.

We have no choice but keep asking wether the pups she taken will be safe, she promised yes. As a result, the pups ended up at a lady's place who have hundreds of dogs, who definitely wont be able to take good care of her own, as she is doing alone. Not to mention adding any extra dogs, i mean pups! Some of the pups even ended up in a vet!

We don't wish to comment wether this is good or bad, since we are the victims so ppl might think our comments are 1 sided, this we hope the public to give us some opinions.

Personally I have few points, according to my knowledge.

1) SPCA - Society of Prevention of Cruelty to Animals not suppose to act upon personals who receive summons from Councils, and this is the reason Sabrina gave us when took awy our pups.

2) What does an Animal Inspector do?
"My main job is to investigate Animal Cruelty cases mainly domestic dogs and cats." This statement is said by our respective Sabrina Yeap. Definitely not to investigate council summons cases.

3) "We have to identify the seriousness of the case by carrying out investigation to look at the animals' condition and its living environment before communicating with the owner to find out the reason why the animal suffers in that condition." - by Sabrina Yeap.

Obviously she doesnt & had never communicate with us, and plan to give us a "surprise" She knows very well we are students and we are not suppose to be at homw at weekdays, i wonder why she came on weekdays? Just fortunate we decided not to go that day.

4) "If the physical condition of the animal is very bad, we will file a report to the Jabatan Haiwan Enforcement Division for the officers to take action within 48 hours." - by Sabrina Yeap

She never give any reason about animal condition at out home is bad. The reason given is MPSJ summons which nothing to do with her job.

5) "The authority concern has the rights to consficate the animal. Jabatan Haiwan Enforcement Officers can prosecute the owner for animal abuse." - by Sabrina Yeap

This statement clearly stated that she need approval from Jabatan Haiwan Enforcement Officers in order to consficate our pets, her act is very illegal.

6) "We need evidence in prosecution." - by Sabrina Yeap NO evidence given at all!

7) "But the poor environment conditions is impossible to be proven in court and the cruelty cases is solely dependent on the physical condition of the animal, that is either a big wound or a broken limb." - by Sabrina Yeap

NONE of our pets suffered BIG WOUND or BROKEN LIMB. Indeed we are looking for such a pet then cure it.

8) What are the factors deterring youth from becoming a full time Animal Inspector?
"The factor is there is no animal welfare awareness amongst the youth." - by Sabrina Yeap

Sadly when a group of youth are trying help the helpless, this happens. All other factors didn't stop us, but what Sabrina Yeap did, had really stopped us.

9) We wonder this is Sabrina Yeap's personal decision or ordered by SPCA since this is very illegal & not following procedure. We also wonder why the pets are sent to else where which is in very bad condition & not suitable but not SPCA or authority's shelter itself. We heard that Sabrina Yeap brought reporter to Mdm Kang's place & criticise her great job, but if the place is really that bad, why are you sending our pups there?!! We do have photos as prove.

10) What really sadden us and made us regreted is ALL THE PUPS DIED except 1 who brought out by a good samaritan in bad condition! NO reason was given. NO explanation. She even NEVER informed us about this issue!! We need explanation & apology from Sabrina Yeap. When the 1 & only animal cruelty prevention inspector did cruelties to animals, who is the one to inpect them? We really regreted to save the pups, we should had left them there. Sorry, to all of these loving creatures...
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this is the thread....

http://www.puppy.com.my/...s-satisfied_P229718/

ALL THE PUPS DIED EXCEPT ONE!!

Just because of an idiotic act!! You be the judge....



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(This post was edited by supermutts on Oct 13, 2007, 10:22 AM)


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 10:46 AM

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Supermutts,

I m very impressed with ur investigative powerFrown
i wish bk aman has ppls like u then we dont have to read nonsense headline in newspaper.

to Khenteik.
i m glad u take an interest in this, "ways to reduce strays...."
my questions to u.
1) have u in any practical way tried to reduce the strays? beside talking.


2) how many good Independent good animal rescuer u have come across? how many independents, small group rescuer exist in Msia? IN statistical term, what is your sampling size?

3) have we in anyway accusing all Dog rescuers as Bad? you wrote"therefore as some has mentioned, it is not right to put the blame on every single independent dog rescuers". pls read carefully our posting before u shoot ur nonsense.

4) what is ur knowledge abt SPCA n Paws beside being a body of animal welfare association? have u been a volunteer? if not, why credit has to be given to them? if they have done thier job, why is the RIGHT OF ANIMALS deteriorating year by year?


5) what do u know abt the land issues in spca n paws? for years they been getting endless donation, why cant they acquire a land? do u know that they are landS being offered to BOTH of them, on numerous occasion but they turn down?

6) your section 1-5 appears outside this country.

7) what is ur defination of volunteer?
do they drop by when they have nothign to do? or they really come in as volunteer on fixed schedule?

i find that u have very very little knowledge abt what is happenign in the real scene of homeless animals.
i hope u can come up with something constructive and right to the point, also, do ur homework before u voice out, like supermutts.


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 10:54 AM

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super,

SY won Academy Award for best actress too. beside another Blackcolor S.
what leecy reported is only a tip of the iceberg of sy. she really rescued dogs u know, all rescued from spca. they are all Terrier!
got it?
she sell them.

give credit to spca? what do they know abt spca....they just open thier big mouth and comment without knowing anything.


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 11:03 AM

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what leecy said is right to my point!

do u think an old lady at the age of 70+ is capable of handling dogs of 200???? of all breeds and mixed breed of all age n size? all by herself?

what do u think the welfare level of the dogs there? it is totally SHOWtime. Big production SHow. 1 director, 1 producer, 200 extra.

and the whole world think the old lady is great...Unsure

btw the picture u taken of her is outdated. i mean the look, she has done some finetuning to her skin. and also, she is very modern looking now lah, wear high heel to airport wor.

ppl r business woman now la. no longer begging.

those who donate to her, actually is worsening the situation there by encouraging her to screw all those dogs.

another secret. u try n go there midnite spot check u wont see her there. hahaha.

Big big show time la, dont believe u hire a PI. u get the shock of ur life.
pity the dogs......


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 11:22 AM

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 www.puppy.com.my/forum/Dog_Rescue_and_Adoption_C14/Dogs_for_Adoption_at_SPCA_F41/Dis-satisfied_P229718/

ALL THE PUPS DIED EXCEPT ONE!!

Just because of an idiotic act!! You be the judge....


actually all died. the one rescued from the MK hell died 2 days later. they died suffering from deadly distemper virus, i prefer them to die by car running over at least not so suffering. there have been thousands of dogs died from distemper in her place. have she ever learned, NO. she justify it by saying, "its not a matter of how long there live that counts, when they come here, i give them L O V E. and that is more IMPORTANT...

so dogs will continue to die from distemper, parvo and dog fight. during a visit there, fren of mine witness dog fighting over Bread and biting on another eye. big fight i mean, but i think she is immune to that as it didnt bother her. (so she has a new blind dog, more bonus for donation)

who are the culprits, the public who support her.


(This post was edited by fartu on Oct 13, 2007, 11:24 AM)


supermutts
K9 Senior

Oct 13, 2007, 11:57 AM

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eh i did not shoot those pics la... those i dug out from this forum as well... seems last time some flers from puppy.com oso went there to donate.... they took the shots..


more inputs, more inputs!!



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supermutts
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Oct 13, 2007, 12:12 PM

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fartu, the black S u mentioned issit a woman? name starts with S?



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(This post was edited by supermutts on Oct 13, 2007, 12:45 PM)


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 5:44 PM

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change ur name to chicken_P67 that better reflect ur character. there is nothing to get jealous on ppl doing charity.Frown


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Yeah and Goodmen.


He’s more concerned about your character than your good name, your status, or your ability to play hero to donate and spay more than 300 dogs and can argue using foul language better than other creations.
The real hero should be a kind, compasionate person towards dogs and other animals as well as human.


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u came in as a self-proclaimed HERO, nobody has ever indicate anything of that. fyi, HERO go out to save human n appear in press, hero doesnt save small animal.


(This post was edited by fartu on Oct 13, 2007, 6:01 PM)


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 6:03 PM

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super,

ya. u know her?


acsyen
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Oct 13, 2007, 7:15 PM

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She also another celebrity ma... Her blog so big.. Always like to dump to ppl many dogs wan.. I also kena before la.. she very good at getting young students wan cos they more naive ma. She also act like SY wan lo.. Go in house to take pups never inform and we will never know where the pups go to forever..

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khengteik
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Oct 13, 2007, 8:13 PM

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fartu... nice to hear some negative views from someone.. Frown

well i guess its time for me to give an answer to your questions.. lets go one by one...

first of all... i'm glad/sad to say that i'm staying around Shah Alam area... therefore you wouldn't have the chance to see strays around here. but i do believe in adop rather then buy as my dog is a rescued case. and also there is a stray living at my factory where me and my colleagues feed her daily (mind you she sleeps in the company compound). i also try to educate my colleagues by telling them not to buy but adopt and some of them are really not buying.. but if you dont consider that as a practical way to reduce strays, then i guess i'm just all talk...Blush

2. there are groups of independent pet rescuers around. my argument was there are independent pet rescuers and not how big they are or how many they are. my argument is there ARE independent pet rescuers around.

3.i'm just quoting from some ppl about some independent pet rescuers are bad. and i'm also just quoting and also it is my view that not to judge a group of ppl and say that they are bad because one or 2 of them are bad. (if the way i'm writing it is insulting, i'm sorry bout that... its my bad)

4. About SPCA and PAWS... please take note that i've written "we have to give them credit for a job well or not so well done. at least something is being done to help those homeless dogs" i'm not saying that i know specifically what they are doing or not doing. i'm just acknowledging them for doing their part in reducing the strays or not i dont know... at least they are doing more then i can do. and i'm just acknowledging them on that.

5. well about the land issue.. i dont know anything bout it... thats y i said "IF" the land belongs to them.. and its just a crazy idea of mine..

6. nothing is out of this country. open up your mind.. just because that there isn't any place like that in malaysia does not mean that i cannot be done or something.

I'm sorry to add that i'm not what you would take as a normal guy or those nerds. i got KICKED out of a university because i cannot choose the subjects i wanna study and i fail in the subjects that i do not know shit about. and from my experiences, only a fraction of graduates are usefull as in able to do work... most of them are all talk and no hands dirty kind of ppl... i'm NOT SORRY if i have insulted anyone... because that is what i've experience. out of 10 graduates i know off (some from overseas) only 3 i respect. because they do not mind to get their hands dirty and they are all talk and all work... not like some who are all talk and no work. if you are one of the all talk and no work kinda of ppl... then i have nothing to say.. but if you can do what you say... then my salutes to you.

7. a volunteer is a volunteer. even if its just once a month or they drop by when they have nothing to do or they really come in as volunteer on fixed schedule.. i have always wanted to help out at Paws, but due to my hectic working schedule, i'm not able to help out or volunteer myself.

i wrote the previous post for the sake of the argument on how strays can be reduced.. trying to gather constructive information.. i might not be experienced enough to comment on these things but its just a piece of my mind. do understand that most of the times, not everyone gets what they want. i've seriously thought of going to PAWS to help out but because of my working times and also my constant traveling, i am not able to do anything. not everyone works from 9-5 daily..

anyway, i thank you fartu for your replies and questions but as they say, there are two sides of the coin. i wrote the previous post with the mentality that i'm still working. and in the designation that i'm holding, i am required to think further ahead, to think of something that has never been done yet.. but all my ideas must be feasible. and i do not think that what i have posted earlier is not.




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fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 14, 2007, 2:36 AM

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khengteik.

try to take a day off and volunteer in Paws. (and another day off for spca)
then u know what we r talking.
thank u.


supermutts
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Oct 14, 2007, 7:35 AM

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her name is sm right, i don't know her personally, but have met her in person, not dealing with dogs tho... often saw her in bfields vet as well.



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yeee
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Oct 14, 2007, 8:09 AM

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Well I thought it's SK, the black. haha


steffy1811
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Oct 14, 2007, 6:30 PM

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wahhh pening liao lor.... who/what is SK, SM, SY, MK and etc.....Crazy

I think i know what is SY and MK lah....but the other 2 lei.... think think think also cannot recall sape wor.... Tongue

Without strong government support, it's very extremely difficult for SPCA especially to do anything at all. I'm not even talking about getting government money....there are many other ways the govn can step in to help. Like tax deductions for individuals and especially big companies. Give them bigger tax deductions lah, i'm sure got companies will donate. Impose stricter rules on animal abusers....hahah maybe can learn from ASPCA....they got officers that carry guns and handcuffs and also got saman book one wei.....

animal abusers can be booked and charged on the spot and throw masuk lokap.

1st, we stop backyard breeding. Then we can control strays from there...........i think we're gonna be facing pedigree overpopulation soon also....look at the amount of STs in the market....MS also catching up, GR also....wahhh...............very soon pedigree population sure getting out of control liao....that time betul betul gila liao lor....Tongue

ok back.....sape SM and SK? drop me hint then I will google/wiki it.... hahahahah Tongue *yes yes going mad on 2nd day of raya at OFFICE!!!*








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supermutts
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Oct 15, 2007, 8:18 AM

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today i was at the book store, one book says that there's an average of 27.++ pitbulls abandoned in new york alone everyday, about 10K pbs each year....

so that means, is there any law to prosecute dog owners who abandon their dogs??

k since u noe wht is SY, then u can find which organisation sy is involved from there u will find links to some other sites etc, then from there u can get the clues for sm....

start digging.... Sly



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khengteik
ALPHA


Oct 16, 2007, 5:09 PM

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well fartu, i've been dragging and dragging and dragging the day when i'll go and visit SPCA or PAWS.... but the thing is... i dont have the time to do that... how i wish i could just work 5 days a week and from 8-5.... like any normal people... but then again... i'll definitely TRY to get some time off to visit both of the places...




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khengteik
ALPHA


Oct 17, 2007, 1:19 AM

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ok... i'm not sure how true it is... i heard from a colleague of mine that the dog catching competition wasn't called off... instead they just changed the rules abit where all dogs cought must be alive.

i'm not sure if it is true as my colleague also heard from someone else.

so just posting it here to check...

i hope what we heard is not true...




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supermutts
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Oct 17, 2007, 5:40 AM

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well the rules of the competition is to catch the dogs hidup-hidup, not mati mati.



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khengteik
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Oct 17, 2007, 6:05 AM

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thanks for the info supermutts...

but all the same... hope all the dogowners have their furkids under constant surveillance and not let them loose even in their compound unsupervised.... just a precaution

hopefully non of the dogs are manhandled.. because you can still manhandle a dog yet not kill it...




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supermutts
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Oct 17, 2007, 6:15 AM

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dun think they will man handle any strays, they use the lasso in a hollow tube....



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khengteik
ALPHA


Oct 17, 2007, 6:22 AM

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dun think they will man handle any strays, they use the lasso in a hollow tube....
hope what u say is true man... or woman... Frown

but then again.. there are many different kinds of people around... just hope that the dogs are not manhandled... thats all..




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sloppy
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Oct 17, 2007, 11:01 PM

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PxW insists to charge RM80 per puppy surrendered. If a stray mama dog delivers 11 puppies, they charge RM880 !!

There were some stray / abandoned dogs roaming outside the shelter or rescuer cannot afford to pay the full amount ,it turn them away. Many run across the highway and were knocked down by car !!


(This post was edited by sloppy on Oct 17, 2007, 11:27 PM)


Riccaval
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Oct 19, 2007, 6:15 PM

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Just came a cross this.....

http://www.smh.com.au/...8/1192300946618.html

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