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Butterfly_B52
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Oct 10, 2007, 1:20 PM

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Sometime good or bad very hard to say. Sometime people says= Expect excellence vs. Expect perfection
People do make mistiak like sponsoring a rescue group that later go into breeding. boleh happen also wat. A fine gentlement like Abraham Lincolm also got people hurl abuses against him wat. Aiya can give some benefit of doubt to some who appeared in the press. Dont put blanket on all mah.


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acsyen
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Oct 10, 2007, 4:34 PM

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Perth is right.. It's not that we are expecting excellence/perfection but these people are not honest at all. And she did mention that not all are like that. I do agree that some who appear in the press are really rescuers but those are the really small ones and not part of any animal rescue group.. Well wat is behind the scenes many will not know and lotsa ppl love to comment without getting involved in it at all.. End of the day pls do your homework before investing or sponsoring your money and decide for yourself whether it is worth it or not.

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perth
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Oct 10, 2007, 6:34 PM

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ya la, we live in a country and culture where giving benefit of doubt is expected on everything n everytime, a question is, how many benefit of doubt r we suppose to give? say ur house everytime hilang duit, there is only u, ur wife, and ur maid, and a 1 yr old babi. so first day u give benefit of doubt it may not be the maid, then after it happen 30 times still benefit of doubt. doubt is doubt, fact is fact, benefit of doubt is given to a situation where one has totally no concrete evidence to a case.

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edksdan
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Oct 10, 2007, 7:07 PM

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ya la, we live in a country and culture where giving benefit of doubt is expected on everything n everytime, a question is, how many benefit of doubt r we suppose to give? say ur house everytime hilang duit, there is only u, ur wife, and ur maid, and a 1 yr old babi. so first day u give benefit of doubt it may not be the maid, then after it happen 30 times still benefit of doubt. doubt is doubt, fact is fact, benefit of doubt is given to a situation where one has totally no concrete evidence to a case.

Maybe the 1 yr old babi eaten it. Just joking and try to lighten up thing. Look at the bright side .


perth
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Oct 10, 2007, 8:33 PM

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u should join bk aman....thats how they work. haha


edksdan
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Oct 10, 2007, 9:58 PM

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How do you know bt aman works that way. Now you see it, next you don't, hahaha, just like "chipmore" advertisement.

You can recommend me to join bt aman meh? If can OK also wat, just go to sign-in(show the face) in the morning and go home.

Spent more time with my doggie.


supermutts
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Oct 10, 2007, 10:11 PM

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hey wht r u guys talking bout ler....

just do independent dog recuse,

those who wana volunteer with those groups mentioned, can go ahead, but if regret later, dun say nobody warn you.



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Butterfly_B52
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Oct 10, 2007, 10:31 PM

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The fact remain that there is no such thing as perect rescue group , club or any other organisation. In case there is one, then the wise man of the century will strongly advise you not to join. Why lah? Because if you do, then it will not be perfect anymore. Why lah? Because you guess is better or same as mine.


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supermutts
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Oct 11, 2007, 12:13 AM

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no guessing here, get straight to the point!

i started this topic to discuss ways to reduce stray dog, and what r we doing about it.

since there are infos about how some(NOT ALL OK) dog rescue groups operates, ok, lets talk about it.

They are or ex volunteers, if there are volunteers who dispute these claims please do comment.

For those who has never deal with these mentioned groups, and feel likes to 'bela' them, please join them n' volunteer your service like those explained above, let ur house foster d dogs, see who pays the bills, and gather evidence to clear these issues.

Don't sit there and talk sideways.....



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perth
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Oct 11, 2007, 1:12 AM

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hey supermutts

give him the benefit of doubt la, to sit down and talk kock is also a malaysia culture mah. they talk only, they comment on these, on that. but there is nothing come out fr them except fr thier mouth.

we r not talking abt perfect here...its unscrupulous here we talk abt.


shekel
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Oct 11, 2007, 5:31 AM

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Hi everyone... I'm actually 1st time having my own dog and seriously i did not know how painfull it is when i read all the commans. i'm touch by all of you have help the strays and i'm sorry to say that my own familly are not a good dog keeper. when i 1st got to know about this forum is becoz of my boyBlush (i'm sure some of you knows about my boy problem). desperately to get advice from everyone. i'm glad the forum here is more friendlier then s'pore forum.

actually i can say i steal ppl puppy which is my boyTongue. anyway i'm sure they couldn't be bother coz they have too many of it. place that i'm staying right now is gombak which also a chinese area with kampung mentality. i'm sad to see some mongrels actually own by ppl who don't bother to taking care of. some say they spray or neuter thier dog but thier dog get over weight and not garang la this and that. i have no voice to tell them about the way their feeding and their care about their dogs. coz to their mentality mongrel is just mongrel anything hantam tak pa. mati pun tak sakit hati ada lagi banyak puppy kat jiran. coz most of ppl here are senior citizen and i'm just a young mommy no word say.

at home i have to keep reminding my father inlaw stop feeding my boy this rubish and pls don't let him out from the gateMad. sometime i have to use patlock to lock my poor boy. i told my hubby if anything happen to my boy i will not forgive who ever it was. don't care even my boy is a mongrel he's my son!!!

how to educate ppl with tidak apa mentality and yet they think they really do care about their own pets? and they think i over pamper my mongrelUnsure.

only idea i have is to educate the young generation 1st coz the old one is tidak apa mental.
Shekel


supermutts
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Oct 11, 2007, 8:15 AM

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shekel, your actions are right, first you adopted a mongrel (noble choice),then you must keep reminding the old generations which is your father in law, and you are starting a new generation of responsible dog lovers which is you and your unborn child (girl or boy)?



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acsyen
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Oct 11, 2007, 3:52 PM

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Thank you shekel,

The world would be better with more ppl like you..Take care..

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shutterclicks
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Oct 11, 2007, 10:31 PM

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Money is always the cause of a downfall.
So sad right?
I never knew this about these people (I had to ask acsyen who they are) so I am totally shocked.
Having to know Julie and acsyen, they've really touched my heart on how they can do this with such open hearts so I've expressed that I will start doing a bit of rescuing myself.

I adopted a dog from Julie and I love my Max to bits! He is such a cutie and really, I feel so good because I helped keep one dog off the streets.

Really, god bless you sweet people. Not many people can do what you guys are doing now.


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fartu
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Oct 12, 2007, 3:59 AM

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hi shutter,

there is 2 side to a coin and notes.
charity money may come easily when ppls are touched, however, many do not take the effort to find out what is operating behind the scene. interested parties come in to the group to get what they want, some come in to get Fame, recognition, friendship, some for true noble act, and some for the money. at the end of the day, the persons who come in for the money make his/her way up to the ladder and call the shot. the real noble one is purge out by money one.

nowaday there are 2 types of begger, the 1st type is badly dress, mostly very quite, appeal for ur sympathy with thier pathetic state. the 2nd type of begger is welldress, vocal, argumentative, and uses Dogs in pathetic state to raise money for their own livelihood.

thats why u see most if not all of them have no other source of income beside the donation. they DONT HAVE A JOB. OR THEY TELL U THEY HAVE FREELANCE JOB. the founder of FF. a sacked spca celebrity. claim to provide tuition to help dogs. your toe can also laugh. it is just a cover up. like those gay movie start they tell u or show u they have a galfren.

the modus operandi, they have thier signature dogs. 3 legged, blind or chopped nose dog where they carry around to gain symphathy. they host donation drive, campaign all sort, they will never reveal how much they received and how much they spend, everytime they talk to u, the SOP, (standard operating procedure) is directed to an issues n the opportunity of telling u the dogs need money for bla bla bla.

a visit to Taiping mdn kwan, u will b greeted by very pathetic looking dogs where they are station in the front line. (to greet the visitors) then within a few minutes she get the opportunity to tell u how miserable n how noble she is in helping dog, with her epf money, but for a start the epf money is so little with her previous job. recently she had a good holiday travel in style to China for 2 weeks. what happened to the dogs there during the 2 wks i hate to know.
offered to get her full time workers in taking care of the dog farm is rejected, for the sole reason being she want to appear Great and sacrificial. she want to be the Only person who handle the dog farm with no regards for continuity of food and water of all the dogs there, what if she suddenly passed away? she refused to have transition plan when offered numourous time, the sole reason, the money is so good. so easy. why would she allow anyone to come in to share?
the dogs are suffering in taiping under her leadership, they r very often outbreak of deseases that kills tens of dogs which conveniently clear up more space for new dogs. all the dogs medications, food n everything else are sponsor by a few rich persons on permanent basis.there is no need to give her any financial support, the more important thing is to question her practise.
she feed n clear as she pleases n when visitors arrive during weekend.
there r cases where the dog shit are not clean for weeks, they have nowhere to stand in the pen and unable to move. they jump up to chair and stand there the whole day. dont believe? i have a photo of that.
MK (mdn k) is just one of the many examples.

to be continued.....


supermutts
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Oct 12, 2007, 4:19 AM

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mind to share the photo?
i can help you to post it up if u like.



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hammy
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Oct 12, 2007, 4:36 AM

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wahhh... thx for the story...

neva knew bout tis at all!!!!
mus open my eyes BIG BIG dy next time...


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 12, 2007, 4:42 AM

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if we do meet 1 can show u the photo but i dont intend to post it here.


shekel
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Oct 12, 2007, 5:23 AM

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i'm going to have a girl i guess coz i'm only 5 months prenant. due next year in the midlle of CNY. i'll try my best to do my part and educate my familly first.
Shekel


acsyen
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Oct 12, 2007, 4:45 PM

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Congratulations, am sure she will be a nice and kind hearted gal like you.

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acsyen
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Oct 12, 2007, 4:48 PM

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Thanks for sharing fartu, you are welcome to share more epxeriences here so that the public will open their eyes and not let their money to go into waste..

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shutterclicks
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Oct 12, 2007, 7:45 PM

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Thanks for the information.
This is really an eye opener.

Do you have the address of Madam Kang from Taiping?
I am from Taiping and I will be going back during christmas. I intend to collect a bit of stuff here from various people to give it to her.

If you all want to donate, let me know, I'll arrange to meet you but not so soon yeah....somewhere around Nov to dec then I will start.
Fartu, if you have the add, please email me at thuilinglee [at] [dot] com.

Thanks!


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supermutts
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Oct 12, 2007, 8:12 PM

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here u go... pictures right from this forum...







and some directions to go there here.... in this thread as well....

http://www.puppy.com.my/...ndar_Utama_P56689-24

From Star online.

130 stray dogs, and still counting …

The Star Online

130 stray dogs, and still counting …
By CHRISTINA KOH
The Star, 4 Oct 2005

WIDOW Kang Gaik Kee, who made headlines years ago for spending her savings on her 80 beloved dogs in Penang, just cannot stop picking up more strays.

When she comes across abused, sick or abandoned dogs, she cannot find it in her heart to turn the animal away.

She treats the dogs like her “children” who respond to her love, care and gentleness.

Today, she has over 130 strays at their new home in a 0.8ha ram-butan orchard in Kamunting, near Taiping, Perak, which was given to her by a Samaritan.

However Kang, 64, feels increa-singly frustrated and worried with age catching up.

“Although I need dog food and money to feed my dogs, more than anything I hope to have someone, like a volunteer, to help me here at least once a week.
“I know it’s a lot to ask for. But if I die, I don’t know if there is anyone who can continue my work,” she said.

Feeding, bathing and caring for her dogs from morning to midnight is a labour of love which Kang has to do alone.

Her sacrifice began over 20 years ago when her husband died and she had no children to care for.

To ease her loneliness, she began collecting stray dogs, spending about RM50,000 of her EPF money to provide them shelter.

“I’m very grateful to people who have come forward and help al-though the economy is not very good right now,” she said.

She added that she was especially grateful to two people in Kuala Lumpur and another two in Penang who provided her with dog food and other supplies.
However, the widow still faces difficulties in making ends meet be-cause she usually needs to spend about RM200 daily to feed the animals.

To help raise funds for Kang, the Ipoh Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ISPCA) is orga-nising a charity dinner at the Tow Boo Keong Temple hall in Ipoh on Oct 30.

Society vice-president Dr Goh Hue Lang said the proceeds would go towards the upkeep of the Kang’s shelter and the ISPCA shelter in Jalan Raja Dr Nazrin Shah at Jalan Gopeng.

She said those who wished to do-nate should cross their cheques and bank drafts and make them paya-ble to ‘ISPCA’ with their name, add-ress and contact number written on the back.

For details about the dinner, call Doreen at 016-5608905 or Dr Goh at 05-5455933. Kang can be contacted at 012-5549716.



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(This post was edited by supermutts on Oct 12, 2007, 8:17 PM)


perth
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Oct 12, 2007, 8:35 PM

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old location.


khengteik
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Oct 13, 2007, 8:40 AM

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money is the root of all evils.... thats what they say.... and also there are two sides of a coin.....

it is true that some people are exploiting dogs for their own selfish personal gain but there are also some who do it becos of their undying love for those dogs. therefore as some has mentioned, it is not right to put the blame on every single independent dog rescuers.

so lets see.... let me think out loud and let all of you shoot me back Frown

first and foremost, some independent dog rescuers i know are really committed in what they are doing. for example, the lady (i wont mention any names here) who help rescued my girl spent quite a bomb in medical and boarding fees. this is because my girl just gave birth to 3 pups and they are all placed at the vet's place along with a motherless pup that my girl also took care of at the vets. this means that all together she had to come out with the medical fees for all 5 dogs including my girl where all of them had mange or some skin problem. one of her pups was at the vets for almost 6 months due to some complications. she didn't even ask for a cent from me but just asked me to pay for the spaying and vaccination of my girl. the vet only charged me a fraction of the cost for my girls medical bill.. apart from that, the vet is soo extremely dedicated to all the animals there. he keep on explaining and going on about my girl, her condition, keep asking me to be patient and give her time to settle down... etc etc etc i'm very grateful yet ashamed of myself because i cant find time for my girl which i have promised. but i'm lucky that my aunt is now taking care of her for me. this is my experience working with a group of independent pet rescuers.

secondly, i think more would be accomplished by working together for the betterment of our 4 legged friends. We have 2 quite big organizations here which would be PAWs and SPCA. although the both have different views and methods on running their organizations, we have to give them credit for a job well or not so well done. at least something is being done to help those homeless dogs. i know some people here have negative views on either Paws or SPCA but like some of the members here say, do it for the sake of the animals. therefore, here is my crazy n i hope not that stupid idea.

if the land for both PAWS and SPCA is on now belongs to them, this means alot can be done. (sadly i have not been to PAWS or SPCA because of my hectic and crazy work schedule therefore i am not 100% sure that it would work or not but just hear me out... and i will let anyone shoot or critisize me all they want). so as i was saying, if the land belongs to them, there are alot of things that can be done.

the most important thing i think would be the infrastructure of the place.

First, we come out with lets say 5 sections.

Section 1 - office/management area and clinic
Section 2 - quarantine area for big dogs
Section 3 - quarantine area for small dogs
Section 4 - quarantine area for cats (dont think i forgot about them)
Section 5 - adoption area ( this is where all the dogs or cats that are ready to be adopted are placed at. preferably far away from the quarantine area)

all this is to ensure that all the dogs are given enough space for themselves. for the quarantine area, just normal kennels could be built where each enclosure is big enough to house mayb 5 animals at a time. and for the adoption section, we could always do as the what the petshop has... 2 or 3 story kennels (the one like the display kennels in most petshops) where each is big enough for lets say 2 animals of the same breed. bigger dogs can be place at the bottom section and smaller dogs on the top section.

the trick, which is the most difficult part is to get people to donate building materials or even building expertise to get it done. and lets say for the sake of argument that there are people to do this major construction, then the next thing would be volunteers.

As i have stated earlier, working together is easier then working alone. if everyone is united and only has the wellbeing of the animal in mind, then things would be much easier. instead of looking after so many animals at home, they can just bring the animals that they have rescued over to either one of the stated places and take care of them there. where everyone will do their part in taking care of the animals there. My ideal animal sanctuary would be to see all the volunteers working together and have all the rescued animals placed in a proper place where it is the most safest place for them. in this case, the person or persons that are fostering the animals at home would not be afraid of getting complaints from everyone.

i know this is a long shot... but its just a piece of my mind that i'm sharing with all of you. to me, better planing is just as important as having a good infrastructure. the management can be first class... top notch... but without the proper infrastructure, everything is lost. that is y i have the idea of having different sections. as some architects say, if you cant built them wide, built them tall...

just a piece of my mind.. its part of what i do for a living.. planning and executing things/works... i'm not saying that my idea would work... but its just an idea... so feel free to "screw", shoot, or reply in anyway you wish.

peace Frown




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