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supermutts
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Sep 15, 2007, 10:27 PM

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Now that the dog catching comp is scrapped, i think its time for us to discuss ways to reduce stray dogs, cos this is the main reason the comp was held.

Look at the USA, world superpower, developed country, but still how many millions of strays?

Are the gov, ngos, people there not doing anything?
Are the ppl there not being educated?
How many dogs are being put down each day in the whole of US, and still there are so many strays left?

Back to M'sia...
what are the steps being taken currently to reduce strays apart from catch n' kill??

Where does the strays come from?

From irresponsible dog owners, dumped , dogs not neutered or spayed, 2 litters a year....

Catching the strays, put them in no kill farms, neuter n' release is not the long term solution...
should stop it from the source...

source... dog owners...
dog owners... mainly chinese...
if u go to towns outstation where there are many chinese population, u can see many strays, some mange filled... sad...

how do we reach these ppl?
KLinik kembiri...?
How many klinik kembiri in malaysia?
How many ppl knows the existence of it?
How many are willing to spend time n' some money to send their mongrels there?
Afaik, these ppl are not willing to spend a single sen, or a second to do it.
Dogs? just let them be......

Who is going to spend time educating them?
How many vets are willing to contribute spaying for free?
Medical cost?

Go from house to house to offer to take their dogs and get them neutered? Are all dogs that friendly?
Neuter male dogs only?
If the dog dies, who is going to compensate?

to change the mentality of ppl seems to be the only way...?
and does it take an evolution to change the mentality..?
how many generations can create an evolution...?

let u guys continue......



No Buying! No Selling! No Breeding!

Don't Lost your dogs!!
Please make sure they are safe at home!



(This post was edited by supermutts on Sep 15, 2007, 10:47 PM)


supermutts
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Sep 22, 2007, 5:38 AM

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Sly



No Buying! No Selling! No Breeding!

Don't Lost your dogs!!
Please make sure they are safe at home!



(This post was edited by supermutts on Sep 22, 2007, 5:47 AM)


fartu
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Oct 3, 2007, 9:05 AM

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hi super,

the root of the problem is.... guess what?
ppls who pass around pups as gift. the ppls who happily see their bitch pregnant twice a year, and then the next door AhKow book a male, the opposite Ah Far book another male, then they reserve themselve one. so the female? they dump it roadside, temple entrance, restaurant, in a box. mercilessly. that was the old way before the cyber era.

the new way, now with technology, and a lot of time, and the hero of being so called Animal rescuer, there are boys n gals, uncle and auntie, pull out pups sleeping together with mommy dog below the lorry, snatch the pups who was following mommy to carry makan. immediately in less than a day max. words get around by sms or phone, hey i just rescued xx pups, can u help me to find ppls to take them? so they go around begging ppl who r uncommitted, so some use it as toy while still cute, then throw out like rubbish.


yes yes there r form being printed and sign. but WHO ENFORCE IT? who check if the dog is spayed or neutered?


Old Man
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Oct 3, 2007, 5:37 PM

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agree, this is one of the reason.
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supermutts
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Oct 3, 2007, 5:48 PM

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ha u r the only one who has given opinion so far.

the first still happens, not only in the old days, but now, everywhere, worldwide.

it is the mentality of the people, many still think.. ai ya ... y so "chan yan" (canto) go and cut off the dogs' balls ler. He will lost its manhood.

i overheard a breeder telling the buyer to neuter the male oni is enuff la, no need to spay female... wht crap... they duno about cancer, pyometra, twice a year messy cycle, attraction of other males... etc etc.?

2nd one, now don't generalise all dog rescuers, i know many who are knowledgeable, who knows what they are doing, who has been really dedicated, spending time and money to foster dogs, and they won't simply force or ask ppl to adopt the dogs.

the thing is are we doing enough to solve the problems at the roots?

i see, more and more people are interested to own dogs, and most of them wan a "breed ", die die oso wan a gr, etc etc. pet shops n' vets are havin good biz these days. and the most lucrative.... breeders...
anyone can be a breeder huh? u try to call some from JB, whoa.. have dozens of females all ready for reproduction all year round. sickening man, and they are selling to those TDHs who knows lil about choosing the right breeder... i just wan my GR....!!

this sunday, have a look at how many mongrels in BU park.

Agree is not enough! IMHO, for a true dog lover, do your part, if you can't contribute to help educate the ppl, start with yourself, don't buy, stop the urge, when the buying stops the selling stops. Difficult isn't it? still wan that GR,,, etc etc. Because of you more and more bitches have to go tru pain twice a year in the name of love, more pups will end up in some TDH's hands. More sufferings...
I went to a chop shop, for those who doesn't know, those junkyards where they sell chop car parts, and there tied a GR pup, poo was everywhere, and you think a chop shop is a place for a dog? even so a GR? the greasy boys who works there, u think they will take care of him? Y do they have a GR? not a mutt? bcos the GRs are everywhere, left over pups, those who u have not chosen in the first place. Now ends up there in a chop shop, tied for the rest of his life? and lick grease? breathe carbon monoxide! and you still wan ur GR... yes, go a head dog lover...

" A young man that is always young, and his old but young looking mutts " SlyLaughCool



No Buying! No Selling! No Breeding!

Don't Lost your dogs!!
Please make sure they are safe at home!



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perth
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Oct 3, 2007, 7:02 PM

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supermutts,

anyone seen what a bitch has to go thru when on heat? last nite i pick up a bitch being cornered by 5 males, waiting to fxxx her. and what she did, she position her backside to the wall, for hours. finally i cannot tahan and took her out, and the male chasing me and her. sent to vet, dyhydrated, high fever, bite wound on all legs, no food for days, becos as soon as her stand up, the male will get his way. in the chinese area where they r strays, u can see dozen of male chasing a bitch on heat, they practically gang rape the bitch and in order to discipline the bitch, they bite the neck or anything to stop her from struggling. resulting in trauma and bitewound all around. the side effect, a lot of barking and figthing amongst male dog, and someone call the Majlis, tomorrow many of the dog, innocent or guilty, got trap.

enough said, i have started a spay program a few years ago,together with the help of friends, i have spayed more than 300 bitches. i hope to expand it one day, to have a mobile van with vet to go around n spay not only female dog, but female cats too. since u r the only one interested in solving stray issue. i wish u can contribute more ideas to me, i have only 1 Priority in this lifetime. it is to spay as many female dogs and cats as possible.


tpsing
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Oct 3, 2007, 7:07 PM

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It will be great if all the spayed females can also be microchipped for identification and convince the local authorities not to cull those have been spayed.


ai_ney
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Oct 3, 2007, 9:49 PM

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perth, i agree that one of the ways in controlling the stray population is to spay and neuter... a mobile van is also an idea i had but how to execute it, i duno, coz we need money, expertise, and a team who really care about animals...

in the area where i live, the number of stray dogs have increased from just 2 or 3, to over 10 in just 4 years... that figure does not include the puppies that some people have picked up to keep in their homes, and those caught by local council...

i want to help, because i have seen how these dogs suffer as strays, i'm sure u know more than me in this... and the young puppies being bullied by human...

i need help to catch the dogs and send them for spaying... is there anyone whom i could call for help?


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supermutts
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Oct 3, 2007, 11:10 PM

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perth, your action as well as others like you, are very noble!

i hope more and more people will form rescue/action groups in their community.

yes, the scene you have described is very common in my area as well, as here is also an all chinese community, where the bitches are not strays, they are owned, but allowed to roam, can't simply go and catch them, and the ppl here won't call DBKL. Roaming dogs are a norm.

indeed, spaying strays is one way to lessen future strays. but the spayed homeless strays will be a nuisance unless it is feed. or shipped to no kill farms.

about the mobile vet, would the spayed bitch be fit enough to be released right after surgery?? she might chew the wound etc.

so how do we reach the dog owners to get them spay their dogs?? honestly they won't giv a damn, what to do? offer to spay for them? FOC, still dun wan?? what if my dogs die, you gona compensate?

but i still believe, there are some who is willing to co-operate, they just don't have the time and don't know how to get it done. if we offer them help, they will take the offer.

one idea is to stick a poster in those chinese kopitiam, to tell them about free/low cost spaying program, the benefits etc. some will buy the idea. volunteers can collect the dogs from them.

it is really hard to change ppl's mentality.....

some radical ideas that i have, but it will work in a perfect world, where there are no corruption, strict enforcement.

for a country like Msia, the gov will be happy if you don't keep dogs, or eat pork rite? ok pork is another issue Laugh

if the gov pass some laws to control dog breeding and ownership.
Main aim is first to eliminate all strays and zero dogs in pounds.

Breeding is not allowed/illegal.
Selling dogs of all breed is illegal.

Set-up a special Assc or maybe MKA to control all pedigree dog breeding activities. Main purpose of breeding is to preserve the line of the breed, not for profit.

Any one who wish to own dogs, adopt from the pound until there is no more dogs left in there.

Pedigree dog litters, the pups are to be sold off by ballot, anyone can submit. Strict identification of the pups and ownership will eliminate the possibility of dogs being stolen.

Until all the strays and pound dogs are gone, then pedigree breeding will be slowly allowed to grow.

Still, only qualified dog breeders with proper facility, controlled litter, and amount of bitches are allowed. All pups must be neutered before allowed to sell...

many ways.. but without enforcement and with corruption, and ppl crying human's right infringement .. its hard to get it done.

but country like SG shouldn't be a problem....



No Buying! No Selling! No Breeding!

Don't Lost your dogs!!
Please make sure they are safe at home!



(This post was edited by supermutts on Oct 3, 2007, 11:28 PM)


acsyen
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Oct 3, 2007, 11:31 PM

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Unless the govt is very dedicated to reduce strays if not the methods we suggest might not be helpful. Anyways wat perth is doing is really very noble. I play my part also by putting an agreement for my adopters to sign before they take the dog. Any dog above 6 months must be spayed or neutered before they go to new homes. For pups i do follow ups so that new owners spay them. And i do take back dogs if they are not well kept or neutered when time comes.

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perth
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Oct 5, 2007, 3:54 AM

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thanks supermutts,

appreciate ur suggestion.

(so how do we reach the dog owners to get them spay their dogs?? honestly they won't giv a damn, what to do? offer to spay for them? FOC, still dun wan?? what if my dogs die, you gona compensate? )

i have spayed houses of dogs, some are very hostile, told me off, said busybody, said we eat-full-got-nothing-todo, some kept pedigree in house, mongrel outdoor, so they lay down the condition, must treat thier pedigree for certain illness before allow us to spay the mongrel.
some just chase us out. we find that spaying stray is more meaningful, nevertheless, in future i will have to thrown in a 10kg of doggy food, in exchange for owner bringing thier bitch to spay. presently we tie up with a few vets where we send the dog to spay, in future will get a proper vet doing it in a house, dont need a shop. good vet, with proper pre surgery check, ie. healthy n fit for spay. it is very very rare to risk dying in operation, esp when the vet is using Gas rather than jab to anaesthetise. so far it has been 100% save, offcourse there is still risk of surgery, the owner have to accept to take a little risk. like anything else in life. if they refuse, we can proceed to other case. no point waste time.

about the mobile vet, in future, i was thinking of establishing contact points where the spay dog can have a few day rest before discharching. i m sure there will be volunteer by them.

in a perfect world, dog get chipped with info, when lost can contact owner, in reallife here, dog catcher n shooter wont check before shooting. and owner who wants to get rid of the dog wont even bothered, i once rehome a dog to a nunnery...we have to supply dog food and medical bill too, for some reason they dont like the dog n dump the dog out, inform us after 3 days. a kind indian shelter the dog n manage to get the add of the doggy license and return the dog. the next time, they dump the dog again, and we found the dog license hanging on thier new dog. ppls are so eager to give them dogs, these are the culprits dog rescuer who are fighting to rehome thier stocks, good home or bad home doesnt matter. you will be surprise thier name appear on animal welfare article very often and they speak as if they know what they are doing... $$$$$$

for years i been thinking of the stray problem, i feed lots of street dog and whenever ppls found us feeding stray in certain location, they dump more dogs. i m really sick with malaysian chinese, i think we r one of the lowest class chinese in the world, u will find dogs with tailor made collar, plastic straw, or wires, all funny funny thing on thier neck. they cant afford to spend a few bucks for their dog?? there r cases where we get dog licenses for doggy in temple, and all got stolen, they even want to steal the doggy license, doggy collar.

to me there is no way to reduce strays, what i mean is we cannot beat those ppls who get dogs easily, for free. and throw them out and get another one, for free again. what we can do, is to spay whatever female dog we can get hold of so that they dont have to bring in few more, and few more, innocent life into this part of the world, where dogs loyalty, protection and unconditional love is taken for granted, and not appreciated.

i have no feeling or those whose house got broke in, daughter got rape or murder etc. 99% of the cases they hate dogs, they dont keep dogs. for years i didnt lock my house. i have 1 rottie mix living in masterbedroom with balcony. nobody get a chance to poison him and nobody get to come close.

it is really very draining into real rescue...where most ppls r exploiting our compassion.


supermutts
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Oct 5, 2007, 5:30 AM

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hi perth,

yea i would say that too, no way to reduce strays, even the so called developed country with their white brains- USA can't do it, and we....

the spaying of strays must not stop and should be promoted...

wht im mad about is, the people who contributes the strays... its a reality that their mentality is almost impossible to change...

actually there is something the authorities can do, they make the rules, those idiots can come out with a dog catching competition idea, they should think better, or we can make suggestions.

some municipal can make the initiative, like the idea of banning pedigree dogs, all dogs be chipped and spayed before issuing license....

you mean dog rescuers can earn $$$ by re-homing dogs? its like selling the mutt again?

"
it is really very draining into real rescue...where most ppls r exploiting our compassion. "

Frown



No Buying! No Selling! No Breeding!

Don't Lost your dogs!!
Please make sure they are safe at home!



(This post was edited by supermutts on Oct 5, 2007, 5:33 AM)


perth
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Oct 5, 2007, 1:49 PM

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hi ai_ney,

according to this group:
Animal friends @ home is created by a group of animal lovers to help dogs to rehome . They can rescue and rehome, grooming, boarding and transportataion, dog licensing and pet food delivery. You can call them to help dogs, Here're some of their handphone numbers.

Adeline- 012 3206622
Lisa- 012 2880606
Regina- 016 2036455
Rena- 012 3051815
Julie- 019 3885119

Here's is their website: www.animalfriendsatwork.com/

Help us to help the animals


they claim to rescue, chances are when u call them, they either refer u to spca (for stray dog problem) for spaying dog, they will refer u to another member, and another member direct u to yet another member. at the end, u learn a lesson of what ANIMAL RESCUER are, from malaysian.

catch a stray to spay, invest some time to befriend them, it will make the job so much easier. i really donno any committed person who can help u catch stray at this moment. maybe u can post it in a new thread to see?

for charity work, i can get u good vet with 120 only. forget abt kembiri, it is so much suffering for the dog. booking and have to take out immediately after surgery, like very unwilling to do it.
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perth
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Oct 5, 2007, 2:09 PM

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super,

$$$, ya la, my keyboard doesnt have the key, where an eye has $
anyway. i have been in so-call rescue/rehome circle actively since yr 2001, participated , visited, studied in many animal welfare groups directly or indirectly, i found 1 thing in common.
they all started with good intention, donation come easily, when they see money, INTERNAL MONEY FIGHTING PROBLEM. EXTERNAL REPRESENTATION PROBLEM. ie who get to speak to press. haha

call me skeptical, but i have seen most of these ppls actually make the animal suffer even more! and yet they carry themselves as an angel. in most cases, the animal is better not to be rescued by them! u can go into details of how these ppls handle their stock. basically they pass around like a football thinking that the animal have no emotion, doesnt know how to think.

i give u a few celebrities status Animal rescuer,hint: SY, MK, JT, AF. FF, t,
all big time con $ onli mah,

the real animal rescuer, spend the money they earn. if the bill is high, they try to earn more. those who get money here there telling tales abt sad doggies are using doggies to feed themself. have u wonder how on earth this so called animal rescuer make a living? they dont have a day job, they dont have any proper job. they collect donation n park the money in thier proxy acct n keep telling sad tales abt doggies no money to buy food, no money medical, doggies need money, infact thier appetite grow bigger n bigger.

sad lah my fren. most conwoman lah, men have no time to use pitiful animal to con for money, men have better way to make money to help animal.

i expect u to disagree la, expected la. Frown


acsyen
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Oct 5, 2007, 4:00 PM

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Hi perth,

I will not disagree to what you say as I have a first hand experience of what you are mentioning above and that is also a reason why I come out and help rescues dogs on my own. I would say another person which is definitely corrupted is SK. Dun wanna mention la.. All these hypocrites that's why if they call me for help I would think twice. All will claim to help with medical expenses but end up i take from my own money. I dun mind paying at all as i dedicate 10% of my salary for charity but dun promise in front of people la if they can't afford it right. All only want a good name. I would rather go n my own and rescue the pups myself. A precious, golden advice that i get from my fren JO is dun ever get involved in those rescue organisations at all.



Yes i agree that no one is willing to catch strays esp the adult ones. All talk and no action. And even if they catch they have no place to foster them and they will dump at people who are kind enough to foster them and when they dump it is not one dog it is few dogs. Believe me I had 5 dumped to me once and when i take them to see the doctor and pay for it I get scolding as I am not supposed to pay the medical fees and they will settle it with the vet themselves. End up i found out that they owe the vet at least few hundreds of dollars and dun even bother to answer their phones at all. And worst part is they have not even taken a single picture to post up at their webpage/blog at all. i wonder how the dog is going to be rehomed and how long it is going to be at my home. and those dogs are rescued from the pound and most of them are so terrified and are even too scared to walk when i go near them. Some dun even want to eat and they blame me for not fattening the dog up. They dun understand that these dogs need time and not all of them will want to eat dog pellets. And when i give them chicken and rice they say i mistreat the dog and dunno how to take care of them.And i am not the only victim as i have heard that some other people have got more than 5 dumped at their house also. Sigh...



I have even heard that they found very cute puppies and sell them of to new adopters claiming that those are adoption fees to pay for the medical bills but when check with the vets, sometimes they dun pay up and most of the time they are given a special rescue rate and the adoption fees that they charge dun tally with the amount at all. usually more as you say they use the money for themselves. Most of them dun have a job or have a so called freelance job. very sad to hear that sometimes. sorry to say that i discourage all my friends to help them foster or even donate money to them as i dun wan their hard earned money to be misused by these people. i rather ask them pay directly to the doctor if i need help to get the dogs to be spayed or neutered.



i think i better end my long story here.. Basically they go their way and i go my way. And i dare to say 'No' to these people who ask me for help as they dun even help me when i really needed help. I do appreciate the goodwill that they are doing but sorry there's also too much corruption and problems going around so it is better to go alone..Anyone can disagree with me as they like but they have not been involved with these people directly so they wun know so i wouldn't care if they disagree or not. No offence..

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supermutts
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Oct 5, 2007, 5:41 PM

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well, i wouldn't say i disagree cos i have not dealt with these people.

i hope those who had experienced these, will come forward to tell more stories.



No Buying! No Selling! No Breeding!

Don't Lost your dogs!!
Please make sure they are safe at home!



(This post was edited by supermutts on Oct 5, 2007, 5:50 PM)


sloppy
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Oct 5, 2007, 6:44 PM

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What Perth mentioned is true


perth
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Oct 5, 2007, 8:39 PM

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thank u so much acsyen and sloppy.

i was wearing double layer underwear to read the replies expecting to be kkc by the world. thank u for revealing the true scene of our "admirable angels animal rescuers organs." without them, the stray animal as a whole, suffer less.

i have paid vet bills that those angels conveniently forgotten to pay, forgotten to pick up phone call by vets asking abt months long outstanding bill. many vet has told me, they no longer want to deal with these animal rescue angels, all bullshit.

i have also seen how they squeeze 7 puppies in a cage,(its thier common practise to save COST ) and ask the vet to charge by cage. and i really how anybody with a slightess compassionate heart will allow this to happen, some puppy r so sick due to bad ventilation, unable to get food n drink bcos block by bully puppies. u think the vet will examine all of them? for rm20 a day, per cage. lets be reasonable, the vet has his own cost to take care, overheads ect.
this is not the worst, nobody visit, nobody pay, nobody pick up the vet phone. if the vet somehow get thru the phone, thier standard reply " i have wrote the cheque, ms. so n so will go n pay u, turn out miss so n so is a new volunteer who donno anything abt paymt. aiyah super corrupt la,

endless stories la, we can talk until the cow come home. i agree with Supermutt on exposing them. stop making them rich by using the sympathy of kind soul. why cant they earn a living in a proper employment than to screw the animals for money, and appear as angel too. this is what i hate most.

my advise, stay out from all these organs. if u really want to help animals, do it urself. like asyen. it doesnt matter abt the scale, quality is better than quantity.

btw, the SK was a branch out fr AF right? she is an Academic winner as best actress. due to money issue they splitted, restructured, attack each other, joined together for money, splitted again. walao. messy like my grandma underwear.

just hope everybody tell everybody abt the real situation in "rescue bizines"


acsyen
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Oct 6, 2007, 12:00 AM

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Waaa.. i wonder how messy my grandma underwear is..hahaha... Anyway some may see me bad but I have threatened to report to the police before as SK has help my house key and not return me. Last time first started fostering very stupid always believe what she says. Give her key so she can come in n feed the 1 month puppy. End up she take the dog without permission and never tell me where she rehome also. Ask to give back key pass to 2 people onli i get it back. Dun mention about medical fees...



You are right can talk till cow come home.. Let them be and i will go my own way.. Perth you can call me for help if you need any ..

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myzanordin
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Oct 6, 2007, 12:15 AM

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wahhhh....now I know...memang terukkk....Frown


perth
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Oct 6, 2007, 7:08 AM

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Thanks acsyen,

i will take a raincheck.

do u have email?


acsyen
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Oct 6, 2007, 7:26 AM

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acs_yen at hot mail . Hope you get it. Do update me of your email address. Thanks..

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sloppy
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Oct 8, 2007, 5:15 PM

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They cramp all puppy in one small enclosure, when parvo virus outbreak, all the innocent puppy dead !!!

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perth
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i bet they not only dont feel anything, they would say "its better than let them roam around in the wild. some puppies r kipnapped from very secluded environment, ie, lake, forest etc. i tot even when life is short for them but they live happily with siblings and parents until the day they die, not cramp in a cage until the day they die. what do u think slop?
AF stand for animal farker? i wonder.


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sigh... ok after reading all these, the conclusion is to do it on my own, right?

i hope people could really care about animal welfare and sincerely, truthfully, 100% want to help them, and not just to be seen as an Angelic angel, appear in press, bla bla bla...

sigh... sad... very sad...


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Oct 10, 2007, 1:20 PM

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Sometime good or bad very hard to say. Sometime people says= Expect excellence vs. Expect perfection
People do make mistiak like sponsoring a rescue group that later go into breeding. boleh happen also wat. A fine gentlement like Abraham Lincolm also got people hurl abuses against him wat. Aiya can give some benefit of doubt to some who appeared in the press. Dont put blanket on all mah.


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Oct 10, 2007, 4:34 PM

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Perth is right.. It's not that we are expecting excellence/perfection but these people are not honest at all. And she did mention that not all are like that. I do agree that some who appear in the press are really rescuers but those are the really small ones and not part of any animal rescue group.. Well wat is behind the scenes many will not know and lotsa ppl love to comment without getting involved in it at all.. End of the day pls do your homework before investing or sponsoring your money and decide for yourself whether it is worth it or not.

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perth
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Oct 10, 2007, 6:34 PM

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ya la, we live in a country and culture where giving benefit of doubt is expected on everything n everytime, a question is, how many benefit of doubt r we suppose to give? say ur house everytime hilang duit, there is only u, ur wife, and ur maid, and a 1 yr old babi. so first day u give benefit of doubt it may not be the maid, then after it happen 30 times still benefit of doubt. doubt is doubt, fact is fact, benefit of doubt is given to a situation where one has totally no concrete evidence to a case.

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Oct 10, 2007, 7:07 PM

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ya la, we live in a country and culture where giving benefit of doubt is expected on everything n everytime, a question is, how many benefit of doubt r we suppose to give? say ur house everytime hilang duit, there is only u, ur wife, and ur maid, and a 1 yr old babi. so first day u give benefit of doubt it may not be the maid, then after it happen 30 times still benefit of doubt. doubt is doubt, fact is fact, benefit of doubt is given to a situation where one has totally no concrete evidence to a case.

Maybe the 1 yr old babi eaten it. Just joking and try to lighten up thing. Look at the bright side .


perth
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Oct 10, 2007, 8:33 PM

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u should join bk aman....thats how they work. haha


edksdan
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Oct 10, 2007, 9:58 PM

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How do you know bt aman works that way. Now you see it, next you don't, hahaha, just like "chipmore" advertisement.

You can recommend me to join bt aman meh? If can OK also wat, just go to sign-in(show the face) in the morning and go home.

Spent more time with my doggie.


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Oct 10, 2007, 10:11 PM

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hey wht r u guys talking bout ler....

just do independent dog recuse,

those who wana volunteer with those groups mentioned, can go ahead, but if regret later, dun say nobody warn you.



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Butterfly_B52
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Oct 10, 2007, 10:31 PM

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The fact remain that there is no such thing as perect rescue group , club or any other organisation. In case there is one, then the wise man of the century will strongly advise you not to join. Why lah? Because if you do, then it will not be perfect anymore. Why lah? Because you guess is better or same as mine.


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supermutts
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Oct 11, 2007, 12:13 AM

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no guessing here, get straight to the point!

i started this topic to discuss ways to reduce stray dog, and what r we doing about it.

since there are infos about how some(NOT ALL OK) dog rescue groups operates, ok, lets talk about it.

They are or ex volunteers, if there are volunteers who dispute these claims please do comment.

For those who has never deal with these mentioned groups, and feel likes to 'bela' them, please join them n' volunteer your service like those explained above, let ur house foster d dogs, see who pays the bills, and gather evidence to clear these issues.

Don't sit there and talk sideways.....



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perth
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Oct 11, 2007, 1:12 AM

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hey supermutts

give him the benefit of doubt la, to sit down and talk kock is also a malaysia culture mah. they talk only, they comment on these, on that. but there is nothing come out fr them except fr thier mouth.

we r not talking abt perfect here...its unscrupulous here we talk abt.


shekel
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Oct 11, 2007, 5:31 AM

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Hi everyone... I'm actually 1st time having my own dog and seriously i did not know how painfull it is when i read all the commans. i'm touch by all of you have help the strays and i'm sorry to say that my own familly are not a good dog keeper. when i 1st got to know about this forum is becoz of my boyBlush (i'm sure some of you knows about my boy problem). desperately to get advice from everyone. i'm glad the forum here is more friendlier then s'pore forum.

actually i can say i steal ppl puppy which is my boyTongue. anyway i'm sure they couldn't be bother coz they have too many of it. place that i'm staying right now is gombak which also a chinese area with kampung mentality. i'm sad to see some mongrels actually own by ppl who don't bother to taking care of. some say they spray or neuter thier dog but thier dog get over weight and not garang la this and that. i have no voice to tell them about the way their feeding and their care about their dogs. coz to their mentality mongrel is just mongrel anything hantam tak pa. mati pun tak sakit hati ada lagi banyak puppy kat jiran. coz most of ppl here are senior citizen and i'm just a young mommy no word say.

at home i have to keep reminding my father inlaw stop feeding my boy this rubish and pls don't let him out from the gateMad. sometime i have to use patlock to lock my poor boy. i told my hubby if anything happen to my boy i will not forgive who ever it was. don't care even my boy is a mongrel he's my son!!!

how to educate ppl with tidak apa mentality and yet they think they really do care about their own pets? and they think i over pamper my mongrelUnsure.

only idea i have is to educate the young generation 1st coz the old one is tidak apa mental.
Shekel


supermutts
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Oct 11, 2007, 8:15 AM

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shekel, your actions are right, first you adopted a mongrel (noble choice),then you must keep reminding the old generations which is your father in law, and you are starting a new generation of responsible dog lovers which is you and your unborn child (girl or boy)?



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acsyen
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Oct 11, 2007, 3:52 PM

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Thank you shekel,

The world would be better with more ppl like you..Take care..

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shutterclicks
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Oct 11, 2007, 10:31 PM

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Money is always the cause of a downfall.
So sad right?
I never knew this about these people (I had to ask acsyen who they are) so I am totally shocked.
Having to know Julie and acsyen, they've really touched my heart on how they can do this with such open hearts so I've expressed that I will start doing a bit of rescuing myself.

I adopted a dog from Julie and I love my Max to bits! He is such a cutie and really, I feel so good because I helped keep one dog off the streets.

Really, god bless you sweet people. Not many people can do what you guys are doing now.


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fartu
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Oct 12, 2007, 3:59 AM

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hi shutter,

there is 2 side to a coin and notes.
charity money may come easily when ppls are touched, however, many do not take the effort to find out what is operating behind the scene. interested parties come in to the group to get what they want, some come in to get Fame, recognition, friendship, some for true noble act, and some for the money. at the end of the day, the persons who come in for the money make his/her way up to the ladder and call the shot. the real noble one is purge out by money one.

nowaday there are 2 types of begger, the 1st type is badly dress, mostly very quite, appeal for ur sympathy with thier pathetic state. the 2nd type of begger is welldress, vocal, argumentative, and uses Dogs in pathetic state to raise money for their own livelihood.

thats why u see most if not all of them have no other source of income beside the donation. they DONT HAVE A JOB. OR THEY TELL U THEY HAVE FREELANCE JOB. the founder of FF. a sacked spca celebrity. claim to provide tuition to help dogs. your toe can also laugh. it is just a cover up. like those gay movie start they tell u or show u they have a galfren.

the modus operandi, they have thier signature dogs. 3 legged, blind or chopped nose dog where they carry around to gain symphathy. they host donation drive, campaign all sort, they will never reveal how much they received and how much they spend, everytime they talk to u, the SOP, (standard operating procedure) is directed to an issues n the opportunity of telling u the dogs need money for bla bla bla.

a visit to Taiping mdn kwan, u will b greeted by very pathetic looking dogs where they are station in the front line. (to greet the visitors) then within a few minutes she get the opportunity to tell u how miserable n how noble she is in helping dog, with her epf money, but for a start the epf money is so little with her previous job. recently she had a good holiday travel in style to China for 2 weeks. what happened to the dogs there during the 2 wks i hate to know.
offered to get her full time workers in taking care of the dog farm is rejected, for the sole reason being she want to appear Great and sacrificial. she want to be the Only person who handle the dog farm with no regards for continuity of food and water of all the dogs there, what if she suddenly passed away? she refused to have transition plan when offered numourous time, the sole reason, the money is so good. so easy. why would she allow anyone to come in to share?
the dogs are suffering in taiping under her leadership, they r very often outbreak of deseases that kills tens of dogs which conveniently clear up more space for new dogs. all the dogs medications, food n everything else are sponsor by a few rich persons on permanent basis.there is no need to give her any financial support, the more important thing is to question her practise.
she feed n clear as she pleases n when visitors arrive during weekend.
there r cases where the dog shit are not clean for weeks, they have nowhere to stand in the pen and unable to move. they jump up to chair and stand there the whole day. dont believe? i have a photo of that.
MK (mdn k) is just one of the many examples.

to be continued.....


supermutts
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Oct 12, 2007, 4:19 AM

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mind to share the photo?
i can help you to post it up if u like.



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hammy
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Oct 12, 2007, 4:36 AM

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wahhh... thx for the story...

neva knew bout tis at all!!!!
mus open my eyes BIG BIG dy next time...


fartu
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Oct 12, 2007, 4:42 AM

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if we do meet 1 can show u the photo but i dont intend to post it here.


shekel
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i'm going to have a girl i guess coz i'm only 5 months prenant. due next year in the midlle of CNY. i'll try my best to do my part and educate my familly first.
Shekel


acsyen
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Oct 12, 2007, 4:45 PM

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Congratulations, am sure she will be a nice and kind hearted gal like you.

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acsyen
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Oct 12, 2007, 4:48 PM

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Thanks for sharing fartu, you are welcome to share more epxeriences here so that the public will open their eyes and not let their money to go into waste..

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shutterclicks
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Oct 12, 2007, 7:45 PM

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Thanks for the information.
This is really an eye opener.

Do you have the address of Madam Kang from Taiping?
I am from Taiping and I will be going back during christmas. I intend to collect a bit of stuff here from various people to give it to her.

If you all want to donate, let me know, I'll arrange to meet you but not so soon yeah....somewhere around Nov to dec then I will start.
Fartu, if you have the add, please email me at thuilinglee [at] [dot] com.

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supermutts
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Oct 12, 2007, 8:12 PM

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here u go... pictures right from this forum...







and some directions to go there here.... in this thread as well....

http://www.puppy.com.my/...ndar_Utama_P56689-24

From Star online.

130 stray dogs, and still counting …

The Star Online

130 stray dogs, and still counting …
By CHRISTINA KOH
The Star, 4 Oct 2005

WIDOW Kang Gaik Kee, who made headlines years ago for spending her savings on her 80 beloved dogs in Penang, just cannot stop picking up more strays.

When she comes across abused, sick or abandoned dogs, she cannot find it in her heart to turn the animal away.

She treats the dogs like her “children” who respond to her love, care and gentleness.

Today, she has over 130 strays at their new home in a 0.8ha ram-butan orchard in Kamunting, near Taiping, Perak, which was given to her by a Samaritan.

However Kang, 64, feels increa-singly frustrated and worried with age catching up.

“Although I need dog food and money to feed my dogs, more than anything I hope to have someone, like a volunteer, to help me here at least once a week.
“I know it’s a lot to ask for. But if I die, I don’t know if there is anyone who can continue my work,” she said.

Feeding, bathing and caring for her dogs from morning to midnight is a labour of love which Kang has to do alone.

Her sacrifice began over 20 years ago when her husband died and she had no children to care for.

To ease her loneliness, she began collecting stray dogs, spending about RM50,000 of her EPF money to provide them shelter.

“I’m very grateful to people who have come forward and help al-though the economy is not very good right now,” she said.

She added that she was especially grateful to two people in Kuala Lumpur and another two in Penang who provided her with dog food and other supplies.
However, the widow still faces difficulties in making ends meet be-cause she usually needs to spend about RM200 daily to feed the animals.

To help raise funds for Kang, the Ipoh Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ISPCA) is orga-nising a charity dinner at the Tow Boo Keong Temple hall in Ipoh on Oct 30.

Society vice-president Dr Goh Hue Lang said the proceeds would go towards the upkeep of the Kang’s shelter and the ISPCA shelter in Jalan Raja Dr Nazrin Shah at Jalan Gopeng.

She said those who wished to do-nate should cross their cheques and bank drafts and make them paya-ble to ‘ISPCA’ with their name, add-ress and contact number written on the back.

For details about the dinner, call Doreen at 016-5608905 or Dr Goh at 05-5455933. Kang can be contacted at 012-5549716.



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perth
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Oct 12, 2007, 8:35 PM

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old location.


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Oct 13, 2007, 8:40 AM

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money is the root of all evils.... thats what they say.... and also there are two sides of a coin.....

it is true that some people are exploiting dogs for their own selfish personal gain but there are also some who do it becos of their undying love for those dogs. therefore as some has mentioned, it is not right to put the blame on every single independent dog rescuers.

so lets see.... let me think out loud and let all of you shoot me back Frown

first and foremost, some independent dog rescuers i know are really committed in what they are doing. for example, the lady (i wont mention any names here) who help rescued my girl spent quite a bomb in medical and boarding fees. this is because my girl just gave birth to 3 pups and they are all placed at the vet's place along with a motherless pup that my girl also took care of at the vets. this means that all together she had to come out with the medical fees for all 5 dogs including my girl where all of them had mange or some skin problem. one of her pups was at the vets for almost 6 months due to some complications. she didn't even ask for a cent from me but just asked me to pay for the spaying and vaccination of my girl. the vet only charged me a fraction of the cost for my girls medical bill.. apart from that, the vet is soo extremely dedicated to all the animals there. he keep on explaining and going on about my girl, her condition, keep asking me to be patient and give her time to settle down... etc etc etc i'm very grateful yet ashamed of myself because i cant find time for my girl which i have promised. but i'm lucky that my aunt is now taking care of her for me. this is my experience working with a group of independent pet rescuers.

secondly, i think more would be accomplished by working together for the betterment of our 4 legged friends. We have 2 quite big organizations here which would be PAWs and SPCA. although the both have different views and methods on running their organizations, we have to give them credit for a job well or not so well done. at least something is being done to help those homeless dogs. i know some people here have negative views on either Paws or SPCA but like some of the members here say, do it for the sake of the animals. therefore, here is my crazy n i hope not that stupid idea.

if the land for both PAWS and SPCA is on now belongs to them, this means alot can be done. (sadly i have not been to PAWS or SPCA because of my hectic and crazy work schedule therefore i am not 100% sure that it would work or not but just hear me out... and i will let anyone shoot or critisize me all they want). so as i was saying, if the land belongs to them, there are alot of things that can be done.

the most important thing i think would be the infrastructure of the place.

First, we come out with lets say 5 sections.

Section 1 - office/management area and clinic
Section 2 - quarantine area for big dogs
Section 3 - quarantine area for small dogs
Section 4 - quarantine area for cats (dont think i forgot about them)
Section 5 - adoption area ( this is where all the dogs or cats that are ready to be adopted are placed at. preferably far away from the quarantine area)

all this is to ensure that all the dogs are given enough space for themselves. for the quarantine area, just normal kennels could be built where each enclosure is big enough to house mayb 5 animals at a time. and for the adoption section, we could always do as the what the petshop has... 2 or 3 story kennels (the one like the display kennels in most petshops) where each is big enough for lets say 2 animals of the same breed. bigger dogs can be place at the bottom section and smaller dogs on the top section.

the trick, which is the most difficult part is to get people to donate building materials or even building expertise to get it done. and lets say for the sake of argument that there are people to do this major construction, then the next thing would be volunteers.

As i have stated earlier, working together is easier then working alone. if everyone is united and only has the wellbeing of the animal in mind, then things would be much easier. instead of looking after so many animals at home, they can just bring the animals that they have rescued over to either one of the stated places and take care of them there. where everyone will do their part in taking care of the animals there. My ideal animal sanctuary would be to see all the volunteers working together and have all the rescued animals placed in a proper place where it is the most safest place for them. in this case, the person or persons that are fostering the animals at home would not be afraid of getting complaints from everyone.

i know this is a long shot... but its just a piece of my mind that i'm sharing with all of you. to me, better planing is just as important as having a good infrastructure. the management can be first class... top notch... but without the proper infrastructure, everything is lost. that is y i have the idea of having different sections. as some architects say, if you cant built them wide, built them tall...

just a piece of my mind.. its part of what i do for a living.. planning and executing things/works... i'm not saying that my idea would work... but its just an idea... so feel free to "screw", shoot, or reply in anyway you wish.

peace Frown




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supermutts
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Oct 13, 2007, 9:44 AM

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there is nothing to " shoot " about your post Sly

i think paws is still a shack along the road to old subang airport, and SPCA in ampang is better, where it is about the same as your description, not as perfect tho... ive not been there for some time....



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supermutts
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Oct 13, 2007, 10:13 AM

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OK e'one, ive dug up a complain by one of the members here, posted 2 years ago, regarding SY, mentioned by fartu, fartu becos u mentioned her, then im curious so i started to dig, i hope leecy won't mind i repost his stuff..

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I do agree with you many of SPCA personals especially volunteers are sincerely in helping the animals. But I have to admit that not all are perfect. Wish to share my own experience..

When our group of animal rescuers rescuing pets, we face some difficulty when MPSJ realise we have more than the amount of pets allowed.

But the main point is we dont blame the person who complaint as she got the very right to complain, but what sadden us is SPCA inspector, Sabrina came to our house 1 day. She didn't inform us in advance & once she reach, she didn't call us. What she did is tried to open our gate number lock & we do have witness.

Once she entered she grab our pups & start to walk away, we saw the incident so we questioned her why she take our dog? She answered bcs we receive summons from MPSJ. We insisted that she doesn't has the right to take away our dog but she threatened that if we don't let her take the dogs away, she will ask MPSJ personals right away to come to our house & catch all our rescued pets which they will being put to sleep.

We have no choice but keep asking wether the pups she taken will be safe, she promised yes. As a result, the pups ended up at a lady's place who have hundreds of dogs, who definitely wont be able to take good care of her own, as she is doing alone. Not to mention adding any extra dogs, i mean pups! Some of the pups even ended up in a vet!

We don't wish to comment wether this is good or bad, since we are the victims so ppl might think our comments are 1 sided, this we hope the public to give us some opinions.

Personally I have few points, according to my knowledge.

1) SPCA - Society of Prevention of Cruelty to Animals not suppose to act upon personals who receive summons from Councils, and this is the reason Sabrina gave us when took awy our pups.

2) What does an Animal Inspector do?
"My main job is to investigate Animal Cruelty cases mainly domestic dogs and cats." This statement is said by our respective Sabrina Yeap. Definitely not to investigate council summons cases.

3) "We have to identify the seriousness of the case by carrying out investigation to look at the animals' condition and its living environment before communicating with the owner to find out the reason why the animal suffers in that condition." - by Sabrina Yeap.

Obviously she doesnt & had never communicate with us, and plan to give us a "surprise" She knows very well we are students and we are not suppose to be at homw at weekdays, i wonder why she came on weekdays? Just fortunate we decided not to go that day.

4) "If the physical condition of the animal is very bad, we will file a report to the Jabatan Haiwan Enforcement Division for the officers to take action within 48 hours." - by Sabrina Yeap

She never give any reason about animal condition at out home is bad. The reason given is MPSJ summons which nothing to do with her job.

5) "The authority concern has the rights to consficate the animal. Jabatan Haiwan Enforcement Officers can prosecute the owner for animal abuse." - by Sabrina Yeap

This statement clearly stated that she need approval from Jabatan Haiwan Enforcement Officers in order to consficate our pets, her act is very illegal.

6) "We need evidence in prosecution." - by Sabrina Yeap NO evidence given at all!

7) "But the poor environment conditions is impossible to be proven in court and the cruelty cases is solely dependent on the physical condition of the animal, that is either a big wound or a broken limb." - by Sabrina Yeap

NONE of our pets suffered BIG WOUND or BROKEN LIMB. Indeed we are looking for such a pet then cure it.

8) What are the factors deterring youth from becoming a full time Animal Inspector?
"The factor is there is no animal welfare awareness amongst the youth." - by Sabrina Yeap

Sadly when a group of youth are trying help the helpless, this happens. All other factors didn't stop us, but what Sabrina Yeap did, had really stopped us.

9) We wonder this is Sabrina Yeap's personal decision or ordered by SPCA since this is very illegal & not following procedure. We also wonder why the pets are sent to else where which is in very bad condition & not suitable but not SPCA or authority's shelter itself. We heard that Sabrina Yeap brought reporter to Mdm Kang's place & criticise her great job, but if the place is really that bad, why are you sending our pups there?!! We do have photos as prove.

10) What really sadden us and made us regreted is ALL THE PUPS DIED except 1 who brought out by a good samaritan in bad condition! NO reason was given. NO explanation. She even NEVER informed us about this issue!! We need explanation & apology from Sabrina Yeap. When the 1 & only animal cruelty prevention inspector did cruelties to animals, who is the one to inpect them? We really regreted to save the pups, we should had left them there. Sorry, to all of these loving creatures...
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this is the thread....

http://www.puppy.com.my/...s-satisfied_P229718/

ALL THE PUPS DIED EXCEPT ONE!!

Just because of an idiotic act!! You be the judge....



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fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 10:46 AM

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Supermutts,

I m very impressed with ur investigative powerFrown
i wish bk aman has ppls like u then we dont have to read nonsense headline in newspaper.

to Khenteik.
i m glad u take an interest in this, "ways to reduce strays...."
my questions to u.
1) have u in any practical way tried to reduce the strays? beside talking.


2) how many good Independent good animal rescuer u have come across? how many independents, small group rescuer exist in Msia? IN statistical term, what is your sampling size?

3) have we in anyway accusing all Dog rescuers as Bad? you wrote"therefore as some has mentioned, it is not right to put the blame on every single independent dog rescuers". pls read carefully our posting before u shoot ur nonsense.

4) what is ur knowledge abt SPCA n Paws beside being a body of animal welfare association? have u been a volunteer? if not, why credit has to be given to them? if they have done thier job, why is the RIGHT OF ANIMALS deteriorating year by year?


5) what do u know abt the land issues in spca n paws? for years they been getting endless donation, why cant they acquire a land? do u know that they are landS being offered to BOTH of them, on numerous occasion but they turn down?

6) your section 1-5 appears outside this country.

7) what is ur defination of volunteer?
do they drop by when they have nothign to do? or they really come in as volunteer on fixed schedule?

i find that u have very very little knowledge abt what is happenign in the real scene of homeless animals.
i hope u can come up with something constructive and right to the point, also, do ur homework before u voice out, like supermutts.


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 10:54 AM

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super,

SY won Academy Award for best actress too. beside another Blackcolor S.
what leecy reported is only a tip of the iceberg of sy. she really rescued dogs u know, all rescued from spca. they are all Terrier!
got it?
she sell them.

give credit to spca? what do they know abt spca....they just open thier big mouth and comment without knowing anything.


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 11:03 AM

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what leecy said is right to my point!

do u think an old lady at the age of 70+ is capable of handling dogs of 200???? of all breeds and mixed breed of all age n size? all by herself?

what do u think the welfare level of the dogs there? it is totally SHOWtime. Big production SHow. 1 director, 1 producer, 200 extra.

and the whole world think the old lady is great...Unsure

btw the picture u taken of her is outdated. i mean the look, she has done some finetuning to her skin. and also, she is very modern looking now lah, wear high heel to airport wor.

ppl r business woman now la. no longer begging.

those who donate to her, actually is worsening the situation there by encouraging her to screw all those dogs.

another secret. u try n go there midnite spot check u wont see her there. hahaha.

Big big show time la, dont believe u hire a PI. u get the shock of ur life.
pity the dogs......


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 11:22 AM

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 www.puppy.com.my/forum/Dog_Rescue_and_Adoption_C14/Dogs_for_Adoption_at_SPCA_F41/Dis-satisfied_P229718/

ALL THE PUPS DIED EXCEPT ONE!!

Just because of an idiotic act!! You be the judge....


actually all died. the one rescued from the MK hell died 2 days later. they died suffering from deadly distemper virus, i prefer them to die by car running over at least not so suffering. there have been thousands of dogs died from distemper in her place. have she ever learned, NO. she justify it by saying, "its not a matter of how long there live that counts, when they come here, i give them L O V E. and that is more IMPORTANT...

so dogs will continue to die from distemper, parvo and dog fight. during a visit there, fren of mine witness dog fighting over Bread and biting on another eye. big fight i mean, but i think she is immune to that as it didnt bother her. (so she has a new blind dog, more bonus for donation)

who are the culprits, the public who support her.


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supermutts
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Oct 13, 2007, 11:57 AM

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eh i did not shoot those pics la... those i dug out from this forum as well... seems last time some flers from puppy.com oso went there to donate.... they took the shots..


more inputs, more inputs!!



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supermutts
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Oct 13, 2007, 12:12 PM

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fartu, the black S u mentioned issit a woman? name starts with S?



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fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 5:44 PM

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change ur name to chicken_P67 that better reflect ur character. there is nothing to get jealous on ppl doing charity.Frown


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Yeah and Goodmen.


He’s more concerned about your character than your good name, your status, or your ability to play hero to donate and spay more than 300 dogs and can argue using foul language better than other creations.
The real hero should be a kind, compasionate person towards dogs and other animals as well as human.


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u came in as a self-proclaimed HERO, nobody has ever indicate anything of that. fyi, HERO go out to save human n appear in press, hero doesnt save small animal.


(This post was edited by fartu on Oct 13, 2007, 6:01 PM)


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 13, 2007, 6:03 PM

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super,

ya. u know her?


acsyen
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Oct 13, 2007, 7:15 PM

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She also another celebrity ma... Her blog so big.. Always like to dump to ppl many dogs wan.. I also kena before la.. she very good at getting young students wan cos they more naive ma. She also act like SY wan lo.. Go in house to take pups never inform and we will never know where the pups go to forever..

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khengteik
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Oct 13, 2007, 8:13 PM

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fartu... nice to hear some negative views from someone.. Frown

well i guess its time for me to give an answer to your questions.. lets go one by one...

first of all... i'm glad/sad to say that i'm staying around Shah Alam area... therefore you wouldn't have the chance to see strays around here. but i do believe in adop rather then buy as my dog is a rescued case. and also there is a stray living at my factory where me and my colleagues feed her daily (mind you she sleeps in the company compound). i also try to educate my colleagues by telling them not to buy but adopt and some of them are really not buying.. but if you dont consider that as a practical way to reduce strays, then i guess i'm just all talk...Blush

2. there are groups of independent pet rescuers around. my argument was there are independent pet rescuers and not how big they are or how many they are. my argument is there ARE independent pet rescuers around.

3.i'm just quoting from some ppl about some independent pet rescuers are bad. and i'm also just quoting and also it is my view that not to judge a group of ppl and say that they are bad because one or 2 of them are bad. (if the way i'm writing it is insulting, i'm sorry bout that... its my bad)

4. About SPCA and PAWS... please take note that i've written "we have to give them credit for a job well or not so well done. at least something is being done to help those homeless dogs" i'm not saying that i know specifically what they are doing or not doing. i'm just acknowledging them for doing their part in reducing the strays or not i dont know... at least they are doing more then i can do. and i'm just acknowledging them on that.

5. well about the land issue.. i dont know anything bout it... thats y i said "IF" the land belongs to them.. and its just a crazy idea of mine..

6. nothing is out of this country. open up your mind.. just because that there isn't any place like that in malaysia does not mean that i cannot be done or something.

I'm sorry to add that i'm not what you would take as a normal guy or those nerds. i got KICKED out of a university because i cannot choose the subjects i wanna study and i fail in the subjects that i do not know shit about. and from my experiences, only a fraction of graduates are usefull as in able to do work... most of them are all talk and no hands dirty kind of ppl... i'm NOT SORRY if i have insulted anyone... because that is what i've experience. out of 10 graduates i know off (some from overseas) only 3 i respect. because they do not mind to get their hands dirty and they are all talk and all work... not like some who are all talk and no work. if you are one of the all talk and no work kinda of ppl... then i have nothing to say.. but if you can do what you say... then my salutes to you.

7. a volunteer is a volunteer. even if its just once a month or they drop by when they have nothing to do or they really come in as volunteer on fixed schedule.. i have always wanted to help out at Paws, but due to my hectic working schedule, i'm not able to help out or volunteer myself.

i wrote the previous post for the sake of the argument on how strays can be reduced.. trying to gather constructive information.. i might not be experienced enough to comment on these things but its just a piece of my mind. do understand that most of the times, not everyone gets what they want. i've seriously thought of going to PAWS to help out but because of my working times and also my constant traveling, i am not able to do anything. not everyone works from 9-5 daily..

anyway, i thank you fartu for your replies and questions but as they say, there are two sides of the coin. i wrote the previous post with the mentality that i'm still working. and in the designation that i'm holding, i am required to think further ahead, to think of something that has never been done yet.. but all my ideas must be feasible. and i do not think that what i have posted earlier is not.




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fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 14, 2007, 2:36 AM

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khengteik.

try to take a day off and volunteer in Paws. (and another day off for spca)
then u know what we r talking.
thank u.


supermutts
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Oct 14, 2007, 7:35 AM

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her name is sm right, i don't know her personally, but have met her in person, not dealing with dogs tho... often saw her in bfields vet as well.



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yeee
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Oct 14, 2007, 8:09 AM

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Well I thought it's SK, the black. haha


steffy1811
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Oct 14, 2007, 6:30 PM

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wahhh pening liao lor.... who/what is SK, SM, SY, MK and etc.....Crazy

I think i know what is SY and MK lah....but the other 2 lei.... think think think also cannot recall sape wor.... Tongue

Without strong government support, it's very extremely difficult for SPCA especially to do anything at all. I'm not even talking about getting government money....there are many other ways the govn can step in to help. Like tax deductions for individuals and especially big companies. Give them bigger tax deductions lah, i'm sure got companies will donate. Impose stricter rules on animal abusers....hahah maybe can learn from ASPCA....they got officers that carry guns and handcuffs and also got saman book one wei.....

animal abusers can be booked and charged on the spot and throw masuk lokap.

1st, we stop backyard breeding. Then we can control strays from there...........i think we're gonna be facing pedigree overpopulation soon also....look at the amount of STs in the market....MS also catching up, GR also....wahhh...............very soon pedigree population sure getting out of control liao....that time betul betul gila liao lor....Tongue

ok back.....sape SM and SK? drop me hint then I will google/wiki it.... hahahahah Tongue *yes yes going mad on 2nd day of raya at OFFICE!!!*








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supermutts
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Oct 15, 2007, 8:18 AM

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today i was at the book store, one book says that there's an average of 27.++ pitbulls abandoned in new york alone everyday, about 10K pbs each year....

so that means, is there any law to prosecute dog owners who abandon their dogs??

k since u noe wht is SY, then u can find which organisation sy is involved from there u will find links to some other sites etc, then from there u can get the clues for sm....

start digging.... Sly



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khengteik
ALPHA


Oct 16, 2007, 5:09 PM

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well fartu, i've been dragging and dragging and dragging the day when i'll go and visit SPCA or PAWS.... but the thing is... i dont have the time to do that... how i wish i could just work 5 days a week and from 8-5.... like any normal people... but then again... i'll definitely TRY to get some time off to visit both of the places...




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khengteik
ALPHA


Oct 17, 2007, 1:19 AM

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ok... i'm not sure how true it is... i heard from a colleague of mine that the dog catching competition wasn't called off... instead they just changed the rules abit where all dogs cought must be alive.

i'm not sure if it is true as my colleague also heard from someone else.

so just posting it here to check...

i hope what we heard is not true...




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supermutts
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Oct 17, 2007, 5:40 AM

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well the rules of the competition is to catch the dogs hidup-hidup, not mati mati.



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khengteik
ALPHA


Oct 17, 2007, 6:05 AM

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thanks for the info supermutts...

but all the same... hope all the dogowners have their furkids under constant surveillance and not let them loose even in their compound unsupervised.... just a precaution

hopefully non of the dogs are manhandled.. because you can still manhandle a dog yet not kill it...




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supermutts
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Oct 17, 2007, 6:15 AM

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dun think they will man handle any strays, they use the lasso in a hollow tube....



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khengteik
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Oct 17, 2007, 6:22 AM

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dun think they will man handle any strays, they use the lasso in a hollow tube....


hope what u say is true man... or woman... Frown

but then again.. there are many different kinds of people around... just hope that the dogs are not manhandled... thats all..




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sloppy
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Oct 17, 2007, 11:01 PM

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PxW insists to charge RM80 per puppy surrendered. If a stray mama dog delivers 11 puppies, they charge RM880 !!

There were some stray / abandoned dogs roaming outside the shelter or rescuer cannot afford to pay the full amount ,it turn them away. Many run across the highway and were knocked down by car !!


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Riccaval
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Oct 19, 2007, 6:15 PM

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Just came a cross this.....

http://www.smh.com.au/...8/1192300946618.html


fartu
Dog Kichi

Oct 19, 2007, 6:36 PM

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here they even sell pure breed dog in pasar malam. so here must also ban pasar malam from selling ...


supermutts
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Oct 19, 2007, 7:19 PM

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Thanks for posting the article mate!! Really appreciate that!

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Push to ban pet sales from NSW pet shops

October 18, 2007 - 7:14PM


Independent NSW MP Clover Moore has introduced legislation in state parliament that would outlaw the selling of cats and dogs in pet shops.

Ms Moore said her Animals (Regulation of Sale) Bill, introduced into the Legislative Assembly on Thursday, would result in more responsible methods of buying pets from registered breeders, pounds and vets.

She said this would help prevent the impulse buying of pets and end backyard breeders and puppy farms.

"Australia has the highest rate of pet ownership in the world and pets play an important role in our society," Ms Moore said in a statement.

"Most people don't know that more than 60,000 pets are put down each year in NSW ... many pets were abandoned because they were bought on impulse as cute puppies and kittens displayed in shops, but had unanticipated costs and responsibilities, or were unwanted gifts."

Ms Moore said pet shops promoted this impulse buying and irresponsible breeding for profit, and led to the backyard breeding and puppy farms.

She said animals were often kept in appalling conditions where they are forced to breed until they cannot breed anymore, before being killed.

Pet stores would still be able to sell food, accessories and animals such as birds and fish under the proposal.

"Impulse buying is acceptable for handbags or shoes, but pet shops sell live creatures such as puppies and kittens, which need ongoing care and attention," Ms Moore said.

The bill has the support of the Human Society and animal groups including the RSPCA and Animal Liberation.

"If the sale of pets were banned from pet shops the thousands of animals dying in pounds every year could be saved," Humane Society director Verna Simpson said.



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supermutts
K9 Senior

Oct 19, 2007, 7:47 PM

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here in bolehland... mau kasi naik angkasa lepas lulu lah...

for those otaks to think of or even accept these ideas... the sow will climb trees...

did a search online, seems that a few municipality, in canada , new york have push for this kinda law. 60K put down a year... thats a lot man...

all i could think of if this would happen in boleh land...

price of puppies will sky rocket, unless it becomes a controlled item, but who's gona enforce it??

and also illegal breeders will be making a profit.

so wht are they gona do if someone with an illegal dog is being caught? kill d dog or sita the dog give it to some one?? , RM10K fine??

same as in OZ, i wonder wht they gona do with unregistered breeders ie puppy farms, they still can advertise on the internet etc, and sell it cheap, breed more.... how?



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