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SeanYoung
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Sep 12, 2005, 9:03 PM

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Hi all,

Anyone can advise me the followings:

My GSD is 8 months old now. And now he has two main issues:

1. He is dog aggresive , I think. Everytime i take him for walk, if he sees a dog, he will pull and jump and drag me to the dog. I fell down and injured last week due to this action. I keep yelling, "NO" but to no effects. He just ignore me. Then I use the leash to snap him a bit. It doesnt' work at all. What should I do? Sometimes, I get my friends to bring his dog to stay in front of my gate, their dog just quitely sit. But my GSD, like want to rush and jump on that dog. I don't think he wants to kill them but rather play.

2. He is starting to have separation anxiety - I think or boredom. He barks for attention. There was no stranger, no dogs around, no cats etc but he barks from 11pm to 5am. It was not like that earlier but it's now starting to do that. He is placed in his usual kennel outside my house. Yesterday, I leash him to my front door and i put a radio and he didn't make noise since then. But i cannot afford to make this a habit right?

Another thing - can anyone advise where I could get a bicycle jogger that allow my dog to exercise with me while I ride on the bicycle. Not sure whether this is also feasible if he can pull - i think there's a safety release device. The dog may just run away.



Advice anyone?


leecy
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Sep 13, 2005, 4:52 PM

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SeanYoung

Maybe u can try to bring ur dog to socialise with other dogs, i think ur dog never stay with any dogs since he is with u right?

last time i used to own 1 dog only, then she seems vey boring & being very destructive whn im not around, then i bring back another playmate, at 1st she was jealous, but now, she enjoy the companion. Smile






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SeanYoung
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Sep 13, 2005, 5:25 PM

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Thanks for reply! You're right that i only have one dog and that dog never socialise with other dogs. I'm not planning for another dog as I have not establish myself as the pack leader yet. So, it's disastrous to have 2 dogs. Who would be the leader? Another thing is that my 70 years old mum feed the dog in the day, I don't want the risk of her being attacked by 2 dogs who decided to fight for ranking later.

I tried to bring my dog to my uncle's house daily to let them meet (thru the fence). Yesterday, I tried and my GSD really pull vigorously - I almost have a broken arm. He's not wanting to fight but rather play I think. U think behaviour will change after a few rounds of meeting the other dogs? Should I let him pull and jump vigourously or should i force him to sit and down?


kitconnie78
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Sep 13, 2005, 9:31 PM

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The problem with your dog is not just only with socializing but is also developing aggresive behaviour. Do not let your dog do she like but must follow what you want her to do. Just telling NO is not enough. When putting your dog on leash use the choke chain. If your dog decided to pull then she will get choke by the chain. If your dog decided to bite another dog just press and hold the mouth until your dog will calm down. Just letting your dog to get to know another dog through fence is not a good way. Must let them really mix with the dog. Sometimes dog will fight but just try to watch out. Must raise your voice when you are not happy with the behaviour of your dog. The dog doesn't understand our English but rather our tone of voice.

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RealityDreamer
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Sep 20, 2005, 4:04 AM

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Hi Sean,
I noe exactly how u feel as I hv an aggressive dog as well.If I socialised him,he would launch himself & lunge at other dogs. If I didn't,it would just get worse. What I did was gv one hard correction that he would remember for a long time & make him think twice before misbehaving.
I highly recommend getting a prong collar ( www.cobankopegi.com/prong.html ) It is a proven effective method of correction.
Instead of choking (which is very risky),the prong/pinch collar would just pinch the skin of the dog.
When he got aggressive,I just jerked him very very hard once while saying "no!" & that is all it takes. Bear in mind he is a bullmastiff.

Once he listens to u,u should socialise him,teaching him that other dogs r nothing to b aggressive abt. Start slow & work ur way frm there. In addition to that, I also got him to focus on me while other dogs are walking around him. Create not only a neutral environment,but a positive (happy=tail wagging,lol) one.

I forgot to add,always praise for good behaviour!

Good luck.Smile
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SeanYoung
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Sep 20, 2005, 4:56 AM

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Thanks! I just ordered a prong collar. I'm not sure whether it will work on my dog. What do you mean a hard correction. Will it break his neck if I too hard? or will it poke into his neck if i pop too hard? the puppy now develop jumping habit and also mouthing habit. Not sure what other things I should do.


RealityDreamer
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Sep 20, 2005, 8:58 AM

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Hi Sean,
Ur welcome.
If it is done correctly,it will definitely work.I hv seen the prong work wonders on uncontroble aggressive, overly hyper dogs etc.

One hard correction is something like one serious punishent. For example,using soft corrections in general (screaming no,pulling the choke collar,etc) is more like nagging which after a while,the dog will ignore(like kids). One serious(hard) correction will shock the dog,he would not want to repeat whatever it is that caused that correction.

Some dogs hv been jerked up really roughly n left standing on 2 hind legs for a second or 2 & they r fine(i don't think ur puppy needs that kind of correction,lol)

It does not poke the neck but does pinch the skin around the neck. While there are risks,they are definitely lower than using a choke collar which can restrict air flow & collapse tracheas.

For mouthing,u can actually just shove ur hand deep into his mouth. He won't like the sensation & will do the opposite of mouthing.Do this consistently & it should help.

Attach a "tab",or a very short & light string/leash to the prong which is short enough so that it doesn't touch the floor & leave it on the whole day. The second he jumps on u, tell him "no!" & jerk him off. Tell him to sit & then reward him by praising & treats.

Hope this helps Smile
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Kilo KG
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Jun 14, 2006, 5:08 PM

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Hey RD, happened to stumble upon your previous post re prong collars. Need your clarification. You mentioned that choke chains are "more dangerous" as compared to prong collars (somewhere along those lines...) I've seen what a prong collar looks like and it looks painful. But after reading your post, i'm tempted to try the prong collar over the choke chain. What did people who saw you using the prong collar say? I want to try the collar but am afraind of the social repercussions of the less informed public. Plus what happens to my dog should i pull on the collar? I have an amstaff, still a puppy but i intend to train it myself when it gets older. (with the employ of either tool - prong collar or choke chain).

Thanks. By the way, nice dog in your avatar. Shutzhund fan? Perhaps.









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Kilo KG
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Jun 14, 2006, 5:44 PM

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Oops pardon me. that should be spelt schutzhund.









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sk241
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Jun 14, 2006, 9:48 PM

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Maybe I could also add something about the prong collar. I have heard it described as power steering for dogs and owning an 18mo GSD and having had the prong collar for the last three I can tell you it makes the world of difference. I have some thoughts and some advise.

In terms of what others think you would be happy to know that most wont know and most wont see. Viewed from the outside it looks just like a fancy thick collar. I used one for a whole season of MKA's abedience training and only one person noticed (they had one as well)

For my advise. When you first get the collar you need to spend the first two weeks just putting it on and taking it off - maybe 4-5 times a day. The purpose is to desensitise the dog to the collar so that putting the collar on doesnt become a drama and he doesnt link that to training or correction. My dog still happily welcomes the collar each every time as generally it means going for a walk or the car etc. The correction, if necessary, is linked to the bad action, not the collar. Fully agree also with the short lead at all times. This works the same ways for e-collars - which is another topic but even more effective when used properly. One hard correction at the gate stopped my dog from thinking about running through without permission. Compare that with what could happen if he ran out and got hit by a car, for me its worth it.

If you think its harsher than a choke collar then run two exercises. Put a choke collar on your thigh and have someone give it a good yank, then try the same with the prong collar, then come back and tell me which is more severe. the choke collar also has a habit of breaking the very small bones around the throat area which has been determined by autopsy study of many dogs. Something like 80% of dogs had some damage opposed to 2-3% for a prong collar

Any training aid can become a tool for abuse in the wrong uneducated hands, so do plenty of reading at least on the net or from a real training book that doesnt advocate hugs and kisses fixing every problem.

Hope this helps your anxiety


Kilo KG
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Jun 14, 2006, 10:01 PM

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sk241, ah super!! thanks a bunch for your reply. it sounds like a good idea. will go looking for a prong collar soon. i have done a copy-paste of your post to word.doc so i can print it out.

Yeah, i've heard about e-collars and i should perhaps consider using that too especially for when the house gate opens. I think most of us dog owners who know of the existence of the e-collar have thought about this solution at some point or other. I suppose now i won't feel so bad if i do use it some day (assuming i can find one to buy that is).

Hey check out the Mixed Breed thread. I started a new thread re Malaysian Hunting/Working Dog. Hahaha it's about the dream of having our very own Malaysian Dog. Check it out if you have the time.

Thanks again.









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RealityDreamer
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Jun 15, 2006, 1:08 AM

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Hi Kilo,

Sk has pretty much said what I wanted to abt the prong. Even with my current GSD,the prong is on him randomly to avoid "collar smartness".He does not need the prong yet..but just starting him with it.

I don't think you should worry too much abt social reactions. With dog training,we all look a little mad at times Tongue However I have had ppl giving me looks when the prong is on my bullmastiff........and.....I have to admit,he does look meaner!

P.S. Yes....a definite shutzhund fan here!
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boon
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Jun 15, 2006, 6:55 AM

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You can actually get the 'hidden' prong collar if you mind what the general public think about when u have the prong on you dog(s). It is kind of like a flat chain or a flat nylon collar from the outside but inside it , it is a prong from HS. But it will coz you quite a bit for products from HS.

But it worth the money and get the stainless steel one....those chrome plated is not so good or not to my liking. Also for easy put on and off, you get get the 'clipper prong' which turn the traditional link to a clip like any nylon collar.

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Kilo KG
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Jun 15, 2006, 7:16 PM

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RD... cool. so prong collars are ok then. I checked out the leerburg website and it teaches a lot of stuff. also how to fit prong colars and how to use them effectively.

So when ppl gave started giving you looks, was it because your dog looked meaner with the prong collar on, or was it because they thought it was painful and cruel and told you so... or was it a gender thing, ie boy stares at cute girl or girl looks at cute guy.

heheh, thanks. BU on Sunday?









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Kilo KG
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Jun 15, 2006, 7:23 PM

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hey boon... what or where is HS? Re clipper prong, based on my reading, i thought prong collars can be fastened using any part of the prong links ie removing and fastening on the particular link itself.

in any case, the clip shold be convenient. i shall have to look around. so far i haven't found any pet shop selling the collar except for one but they have sold out on those collars and don't have any these days. wonder why...

i shall check the forum re dog food. thanks.









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boon
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Jun 15, 2006, 8:22 PM

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HS == Herm Sprenger, it is a brand for dog gears

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RealityDreamer
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Jun 16, 2006, 1:46 AM

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I love prongs actually. Helped me tonnes with controlling my BM's dog aggression Cool

Not sure really..lol. I noe my friends who knew abt prongs told me that he looks a whole lot meaner with the prong.As for the others..i'm don't know.

Btw,I think the prong with the clip does not have a live ring. The clip helps so much when u hv a dog which can't sit still. Tongue

Yeap,I will be there.
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Kilo KG
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Jun 16, 2006, 2:34 AM

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Ah, i see. thanks for the info. I googled HS and got HS collar! lol. banged my head on my desk a couple of times and posted. so there. thanks a bunch.

re prong collar, where can i get the concealed version. is getting accesories from the U.S. any better than sourcing it locally?

re BARF. have looked thru' the thread. very helpful thanks. may i have your view(s)/experience(s) with using BARF? thanks.

BU Sunday?









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Kilo KG
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Jun 16, 2006, 2:39 AM

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hey rd, so where'd you get your prong from? i think boon mentioned a concealed version too. plus stainless steel. any recommendations? diane jessup on her website mentioned the need for positive training rather than chokes and e-collars. BUT she didn't mention anything re prong collars AND her training picture kinda shows her using something that resembles a prong collar plus a back-up collar on her dog (another concept i picked up from the leerburg site). Comments?

what do you think about BARF? do you know where i can get necks and carcass al-cheapo?

thanks.









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RealityDreamer
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Jun 16, 2006, 3:52 AM

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Mine's from Frabo. Well,no comments abt it really. Nvr used it b4..and m not worried abt wht ppl think. I would go for the stainless steel one. As for which type,it would depend on my dog. If I have a hard dog,and I get the clip on one with no live ring,then it wouldn't serve a purpose. If my dog is softer or more handler sensitive,then I don't mind getting the clip on one...it's so much easier. Maybe try the cheap local ones first,gage how hard/soft ur dog is then get the better quality one.

I think the most effective training would be a combination of both. Correction when smth wrong is done and praise/reward when it is right. I think if u start off positive(no corrections till the dog is old enough to handle it),in the long run he'll generally need less corrections. He's always been rewarded for the right thing,y bother testing?


As for BARF,I love it....so do the dogs Laugh I usually go to the wet market to get my supply.

Saw frm the other thread u hv spoken to Azman. So when will u be joining training? Wink
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Kilo KG
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Jun 16, 2006, 5:08 AM

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RD,

Where is Frabo? Its a pet shop i assume. So you have a prong collar but have never used it? Cool.

"If I have a hard dog,and I get the clip on one with no live ring,then it wouldn't serve a purpose." - so you're saying for a hard dog we need a clip-on type without live rings but then you aslo say "...my dog is softer or more handler sensitive,then I don't mind getting the clip on one...it's so much easier" pardon my inability to process your point but i don't get it...la. It sounds like this to me -

For a hard dog, i need a clip-on type WITH live rings otherwise its ineffective BUT for calmer dogs we get the clip-on type... then blank? or do you mean calmer dogs clip-on ONLY wihout live rings type? but why would calmer dogs need clip-on if they don't trash about when we put the collar on? and then hard dogs clip-on PLUS live rings? i assume a clip-on is for ease of removal and fastening whereas the prongs would serve to "teach'?

heeelllpppppppppp... aargghhhhh...ayoyo sorry la. i appreciate your patience

i haven't met azman yet and my female staffie is only 3 months only while my male beagle just touched 6 months. plus i also neglected to save his number on my h/p so i guess i have to wait for doggie day on the 18th. i remember the post i sent was to sur-something but i can't remember which thread already. i must be getting old. oh wait, i am old. sigh. hahaha.









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RealityDreamer
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Jun 16, 2006, 6:11 AM

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Hi,

Frabo's in Germany at www.frabo.de

For the local prongs,u can try Sea Park Pet Supplies in SS2...should cost u abt RM 20 i think.

Haha...yes. It's on him for display Tongue

Oh dear..sorry if I confused u. The purpose of the clip is for convenience. Period. So I would definitely want the convenience of just snapping on the prong like I do any other collar.The biggest drawback of this collar is that it does not have a live ring. Live rings would be necessary for harder dogs. Dead rings would be for the softer/more handler sensitive dogs (the clip on only has a dead ring)

Well,calmer dogs wouldn't need the clip on..but us..or rather me...if there's an easy way to do it...y not?Blush

Hope this clears it up
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Kilo KG
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Jun 16, 2006, 8:03 PM

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Hey RD,

Ah i see. Maybe i'll source the pinch collars locally. Was thinking of the states but only if a good one isn't available here. Is it? Saw the Frabo Leather pinch collar. Looks good. Must be what Boon referred to when he told me the concealed version of the pinch collar.

Another question re your barf diet, please... do you buy fresh everyday (unlikely), or freeze a weeks worth, then thaw the noght before and then just feed it first thing in the morning (cold necks don't sound too tasty, frankly). what is your mixture like? ie necks plus omega 3 oil spread all over, a crushed egg+shell, and veg (i suppose i have to blend everynight to feed in the morning, yeah?)

Thanks re clarification on clip-on pinch collars. The frabo ones super. Saw an awesome picture on the net of an apbt -a huge, muscular apbt- with pinch collar plus backup. The visual effect is really powerful. And then you look at the dog. And you know there's a God who loves dogs. Absolutely awesome picture.

The picture in my avatar isn't my staffie. I "borrowed" that from the net actually. Will get mine up sometime early next month.

Thanks. See ya sunday! I'll be looking out for all you schutzhund types walking around with German and Belgian Shepherds...









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whoops. Dear Mr/Ms puppy.com moderator my post here and the one below repeated itself so i took the liberty to delete it. thank you.









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boon
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i agreed with the clip on it, there will not be possible for any live ring. But for dead ring will have more pressure on them and less pulling weight on the other end of the least. Gals/Women when handle hard headed dogs, they will luuuuuuuuv the dead link for corrections. No discremenation here ok.....

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Kilo KG
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Boon,

I read that live rings are good for taking off and putting on. But i guess the clip-on serves that purpose. So i'm gonna look for a concealed pinch collar with a clip-on (and as a result no live rings) . I get the picture (finally!) Now its time to go pinch collar hunting.

Are you bringing your dog/s this Sunday? Will you be involved in the Schutzhund thingy too? Should be good. Very good. Well, see ya sunday then.









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RealityDreamer
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Jun 18, 2006, 1:17 AM

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Hi Kilo,

I think the local ones are OK. I have a few for my other dogs.The only I don't like abt them is that they are not stainless steel...other than that,they seem ok...so far.

Uh huh..those are the concealed prongs.

"Thanks re clarification on clip-on pinch collars. The frabo ones super. Saw an awesome picture on the net of an apbt -a huge, muscular apbt- with pinch collar plus backup. The visual effect is really powerful. And then you look at the dog. And you know there's a God who loves dogs. Absolutely awesome picture. "

Haha...yes. The mollosers/bulldog types look really powerful with the prongs on.Laugh

As for barf,I buy a week's supply (or 2) and freeze it. I usually feed barf at night when I hv more time. He usually gets beef+bones as well as lamb once in a while (yes,I do get grilled frm family for feeding the dogs lamb!). He gets egg the night before training. Fruits and vege isn't intentionally in his diet but my family likes feeding them fruits in the morning. So they get abt a fistful or 2 of fruits every morning.

Glad to see ur taking the effort to look up info Cool 2 thumbs up!!

If u do see me on Sunday,do say hi Smile
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RealityDreamer
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Jun 18, 2006, 1:30 AM

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Heys,

The dead ring will have more pressure on me la. Not the dogs. The dead ring is less sensitive than the live ring. That's why I prefer the live ring...haha...n no,no worries...I do noe my physical weaknesses in this area Smile
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RealityDreamer
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Hi Kilo,

Hope u don't mind me replying here. On a prong there are 2 rings,the live and dead ring. The dead ring does not "tighten" the prong when jerked,where as the live ring does. The live ring is allowed "free movement" and will tighten the prong when yanked. Putting on/taking off the collar has nth to do with the rings...u do so by taking off/putting on the links.

Not sure if I explained clearly.Best if I can show u what I mean.
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Kilo KG
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RD,

Wow that's a lot of good information i can use, thank you!!

I've found a shop that sells pinch collars but i forgot to check to see therewere stainless steel or not. RM27.50 i think. But haven't bought it coz not a need just yet. Also, a bottle of Hartz Multi-Vits 100 tablets for RM25.00.

Oh i thought at first rings meant the pronged links around the neck. I assume the rings are at the end of the small chain that links to the actuall pronged bit of the pinch collar. Sall have another look at it the next time i walk into the petshop. Probably get the owner to show me.

I was at the Dog Day but seriously apart fromo some guys calling out "Mr.Khoo1, Mr.Khoo!" I have no idea who everyone else were or whether they were forum members or not. So i must apologise if i didn't say hi not for the want of intention though.

So i was just here and there and everywhere. Hung out with my new staffie pals too. So which of yours dogs (i assume you have more than 1) did you bring? I remember reading some where in this forum RealityDreamer has many dogs. But i can't recall which thread. The police demo was an anti-climax. There should do the works and demo the real stuff. Protection, attack, crowd control ...etc.









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RD,

Your entire family is into barf? good stuff! makes doing it all the more interesting and surely a lot more satisfying since owner and dog are genuinely happy.Ok so fruits and veg too.

I assume youre beef and bones are raw. Where do you get clean, fresh, raw beef? Lamb, is it bad or good for the dog? Plus do you chuck all the fruits and veg into one load for some blender action?

Re vitamins (assuming of course raw meat and veg alone is nutritionally insufficient or inadequate), do you feed liquid form-via syringe feeding, oil-pour on food, tablets-stuff down throat, capsules/caplets-stuff down throat too? Which is your preferred form?

To inculcate good toilet habits in my new staffie, i intend to enclose (she) it in a area till it defecates. I tried it with my beagle (not done earlier) but (he) it takes toooo loonnggg to move its bowels. What do you think? Is it a good idea to enclose my pup in an area till it does the job, then take it out and lavish praise like as if it was a succesful agility trial or something... haha trial probably (if diet lacks requisite fibre Wink)









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Jun 19, 2006, 7:20 PM

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Hi,

Try Petshop. They *should* have some in stock. I bought my local ones there.

lol! Don't worry. I had a short chat with Ern that day...the only "pit guy" that we both noe and a couple of his friends.

Aaah..compared to others...not many. I hv 5..3 big ones,2 smaller ones. I brought the GSD Smile Urself? The beagle?

Didn't catch the police demo..the last time i think they did do some crowd control. Oh well.
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Jun 19, 2006, 7:52 PM

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SmileHaha...the four legged family..or 2?

I get the beef frm the market and come home to wash it again. Lamb is ok for the dog. In fact the lenolene in the lamb helps the coat/skin of the dog. (same stuff we hv in our human lotion!)

lol!! Wow...ur really into the details. Doesn't really matter I guess. Diff dogs,diff methods.The vitamins I use is a herbal supplement so it has to be sprinkled on the food. The fish oil is in capsules so they just eat it like kibble. I just chuck wtv supplements with the food and they'll clean the bowl.The veg oil is poured all over.Shoving down the throat everyday is a real hassle.Crazy

Well,dogs naturally to not defacate where they are held up. If they do,then it's because they are foreced to and it's very uncomfortable. Would u poo in a 5x5 room? Doubt so. Imo,create a routine for ur dog..everyday at the same time..take him to poo and when he does so,praise him. Bring treats.POsitive positive positive. The dog will eventually learn that if i don't go now(during the walk)I'll hv to hold it in or worst still...poo in my own room!Of course with pups..u hv to be patient and hv a routine suited to them at first and slowly transition it to ur shcdule. Eg. They poo a couple hours after eating. When he does poo, praise himSmile If u do howveer want to crate him...that would serve as *stopping* him from pooing anywhere/anytime else than the walk(not too long tho). Unless of course the area is not Near where she lives most of the time....I think it's a level of comroft. Dogs prefer the freedom...so i think tht's y it took so solong. Perhap.s carte her right after eating and 2-3 hrs later take her for a walk. Worked for all my dogsSmile
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Jun 20, 2006, 5:57 PM

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RD,

hahaha oops true true, barf for the doggies, hahaha pardon me.

you spoke to ERN. when? i didn't see anyone with a GSD speaking to ERN. Is Central Park BU a dog friendly park? Can doggies go swimming there too? I hear there are vicious terrapins in the pond. Scary tale!!

Yikes my plan was to feed my new puppy and then right after her meal, put her into an enclosed area for her to poop within 10 mins... a couple of hours after eating isnt going to work for me cos i hafta get to work. Maybe barf diet at night will be good so less poo, less smell and easily cleaned. I hope, i hope, i hope.

Thing about crating after eating is the risk that she will poop in her crate and then...with a little imagination... the cycle of bad habits will just spiral into an uncontrollable inventory of no-nos that have to be broken and good habits re-taught. Progress wiht my beagle is slow but he responds VERY VERY well with food. No surprises there i guess.

So you're a shutzhund guy too huh? Maybe if my staffie has the drive and gameness then i'll try.









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The beagle is my brother's while the staffie is mine. But we take care of both just the same regardless.

So yo have a GSD. And the other 4? Planning to build a kennel and a run for the doggies but still can't decide on the design. Am still working on it.

Do yuo have a permanent kennel or are they in mobile kennels?









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Jun 21, 2006, 1:15 AM

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Hi, just caught your posting and I am sure your GSD must a hand full by now and hopefully you have manage to get it under control. You have been getting a lot of good advise here in parrticular from Realitydreamer as I have seen that aggressive dog of hers and yes it is under control with the prong collar.

Just to add to this I believe in the e-collar as I have have experience with friends dogs, a Weimeraner and a Husky. They get along very well with other dogs but not with each other. It is very difficult for these friends of mine as both are dog trainers and certified to use the e-collar. They decided to correct both dogs so when they confront, face to face, they got corrected and this only happen twice and now they can play in a pack but when face to face they just turn away from each other without a snarl or growl. Incidentally, the very first confrontation drwe blood it was quite a fight.

For me the e-collar is better mainly due to the fact that when my dogs are off leash they are still on it as with a prong collar it has to be on leash. Nevertheless, just added information.


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Jun 21, 2006, 3:56 AM

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Heya,

Oh dear...I can't recall what time. It was just before malinois' demo. A friend of his also had a shepherd there. Was also talking to that guy.Officially no,I don't think so but I hv heard of ppl bringing their dogs there once in a while. I suppose if u don't leave any trace that ur dog has been there then it should be ok.

Hmmm...perhaps wake up a lil earlier? Feed her...go back to bed and then take her out.It shouldn't take too long for her (and u..haha) to get used to it.If ur up for it,u can try the old school method which is just as effective. Big NO-NO(correction) when she poops where u don't want her to and quickly bring her and the poop to the place where u want her to poop...smell the ground,smell the poop and then praise like a mad man. However,u hv to be fair to a puppy...u hv to take her out to poo soon. SHe's physically incapable of holding it in that long. Do not worry too much. If she's still naturally has good cleanliness...she'll soon learn/prefer to go poop when she goes for her walk.

Do hope to see u on training grounds soon Wink
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Jun 21, 2006, 4:49 AM

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Hey Kilo,

2 pups at once is no easy task! Kudos to u

The other 4 consists of a dobermann,bullmastiff,cocker and terrier mix, and a shih tzu poodle cross.

I have both.The kennel belongs to the GSD. The others have free run. Smile
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Jun 21, 2006, 4:13 PM

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RD,

Haha now you tell me... oh well, will be bringing the amstaff home tomorrow and we shall see how it goes.

Free run for a dobe AND a bullmastiff AND cocker AND terrier mix!!! Ah btw, an apbt/amstaff is also terrier mix Sly. How do you manage so many dogs!! Amazing.

It's hard to imagine but i'm sure it works for you. I'd have put the dobe and the b/mastiff in kennels as well. The smaller ones would be ok i guess (assuming terrier mix is small) I bought chicken (from the chicken rise seller) for my beagle the other day. Testing. Put the meat under running water before feeding it. Removed the drumstick bones but wings went in whole. Haha put the cucumber pieces whole too!! Plus a fistful of Eukanuba puppy feed. I don't know if it was my imagination but there was only "2 tiny pieces" of not-so-smelly doggie poo the next day. And that was it. Or maybe i didn't feed enough.









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Yo,

Ok here's the deal with my schedule. I'm up at 6am. So i intend for her to gobble the kibble and finish with her "poo(-dle)ing" in 15 mins so i can do the needful all on schedule. Haha so i better give her more fiber!! Aiyah don't know lah. See how it goes. trial and error i suppose. I'm expecting one helluva ride with an alpha-attitude beagle and a i-won't-back-down-for-anydog she-pup...

[["when she poops where u don't want her to and quickly bring her and the poop to the place where u want her to poop...smell the ground,smell the poop and then praise like a mad man."]]Who smells the ground and the poop?...yes i would praise like a mad man if i had to sniff the ground and the poop too. Hahaha. eh, does it work if i scoop her poop and place it in the area where i want her to do it? I don't really want her to get used to doing it outside. At home is fine as long as it is at the designated area. Then when i go for walks it would be easier to have fun without worrying about messing up!!

Training grounds? Padang Merbok? Aren't my doggies too young? Home-school hahahahaha...









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Jun 22, 2006, 7:28 AM

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Hey Kilo,

What's ur email?

This is getting a little out of topic Blush
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Jun 26, 2006, 4:09 PM

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Hey Rd,

I just got back from leave so have been offline for awhile. My ee mayll is kilokg at y! dot c om. Yes i agree with you. weel hope to hear from you soon. Thanks.









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Hi RD, i know this may be out of topic but i do need your's and others' expert and experienced opinion please...

HELP HELP HELP

My 3.5 month old staffie doesn't is not eating. She will only eat after endless encouragement and that too i to hand feed her first once i get her attention. ALL the encouragement and i still have to feed her by hand the first few bites. Only then will she eat from her bowl.

Plus she vomits but is always running and playing rough with my beagle. Sigh, is she sick? She's had 2 vaccine shots already, with the 3rd and last one due on the 10th of July. She seems active but doesn't eat and vomits.

Help please? thank you.









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Jun 27, 2006, 7:29 PM

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1. He is dog aggresive , I think. Everytime i take him for walk, if he sees a dog, he will pull and jump and drag me to the dog. I fell down and injured last week due to this action. I keep yelling, "NO" but to no effects. He just ignore me. Then I use the leash to snap him a bit. It doesnt' work at all. What should I do? Sometimes, I get my friends to bring his dog to stay in front of my gate, their dog just quitely sit. But my GSD, like want to rush and jump on that dog. I don't think he wants to kill them but rather play.

Sean, From your description, it is not dog aggressive. He is just being a puppy that he is. These can be solved by more socialisation and OB training and if you go through the process the behaviour will be solved by the time he reaches 14-15 months. I had also noticed the advice of using prongs and also choke chains. While I do have my own reasons for preference I would not ask you to use either of them. Remember that these are training tools and should be used correctly to train and condition a dog. It is like if you wants to buy a Ferarri you have to first be trained on how to handle a Ferrari before they will sell you one. Choke Chain in the hands of one who knows how to use it is effective. In the hands of one who doesnt know how to use it is next to "useless" and even life threatening. The same goes for Prongs. In prongs, I would grade it as less life threatening but more of a danger to wrong understanding from the dog resulting from wrong correction. I would advice you to seek out the nearest OB school and learn how to read your dog. Most importantly let your dog teach you how to handle him. Then these tool can come in really effective. Before that, use them wrongly now at best it is useless and at worse it becomes a life taker. Cheers.

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Hello PSD,

Welcome back old friend. How have you been ? Anyway, it is a delight to have you back with us. Let the learning rolls...Cheers.

 
 




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