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Booker
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Apr 9, 2004, 12:45 AM

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Hi, I would like to take this opportunity to talk about Rottweiler breed in our country.ROTTWEILER is always defined as a very dangerous dog in Malaysia.However,since so many years passes, it is hardly for me to really READ or SEE any news that Rottweiler attack ppl again, after the sad incident years back. For me,there is always some bad dogs out of the breed,same as us,human.I own a female rott and she is now 8 months old and she is such a nice dog I can say.This is because I socialise her oftenly and train her since her puppy age. I'm also see a lot of imported rott from many kennels,where non of their rottweiler actually showing me an "ANGRY" face......[:)] All of them allows me to touch them without any prob. IMO,most of the incident happen due to the irresposible owner, and I really hope that if the owner really couldn't handle this giant breed, they should just go for some other breeds which require lesser training.Rottweiler is such a robust dog which really require a lot of OB training at their younger age.After that,they will be one of your best partner in life.
I really wish to share some opinions out there and tells the ppl that rottweiler is not a dangerous dog if you are willing to spend times with them.


chilimson
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Apr 11, 2004, 2:09 AM

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This is the tragedy for most breed when they become too popular, and start "printing" money for irresponsible people. I guess the most important thing to do now is to slowing promote this great breed, and make sure that people are educated on what this is breed is all about. Need to make sure that people understand that they must have the responsibility of socializing and training them. Do not want to make this into a moral debate, but more of educational need for the public.

If the Rottweiler lovers fail to correct the adverse perception, then I think it will be a great mistake for allowing this breed to join the dinos! Mad

I think there will always be exception, and it is important for people to realise such exception and take responsibility in correcting them. Let's get more Rottweiler lovers to do their bit in sharing their experiences.Sly


Polluxx
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Apr 13, 2004, 4:49 AM

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Hi guys,

Yes , it will be a real pity to see such luv'able & loyal breed go the way of "dino" . . . ! ! Frown

but ....hey ! , that where tis forum comes in to inform & educate so that tis wonderful breed & many others will not be misunderstood by the general public . . . . ! !


Therefore more rottweiler luvers on board should come forward to share their wonderful experience ....



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and start "printing" money for irresponsible people.
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Sadly . . tis sad state of affair is very much true over here nowadays . . .esp when it comes to rottie, let me quote what the founder of GSD, Capt Max has to say on such situation likened to what has happenend then to the GSD (very much still happening now . . . unfortunately ....)

'The dog bred as a business is no longer bred for his service to the breed, but for his market value. The direction of the breed then is dictated by the desires of the market, usually Novices to the breed, who knows nor cares (nothing) of the weal and woes of the breed, . . . . . . . . .''


'The Internationalism of The Big Bank Balance has been the downfall of the Shepherd Dog."



Such breeders who only breed out greed will not care nor take upon themselves to understand the complexities of temperament, therefore chances of getting a puppy who are of weak nerve & unstable temperament are very high......Unsure

. . . . . . such irresponsible breeding by this ppl . . .need to be brought to attention & be put to a stop ! ! Mad






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


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liswarhol
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Apr 13, 2004, 10:50 PM

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hi

first of all, thanks for a great write up on rotties... it's my pleasure to finally join a thread regarding rotts.

ok, let me intro us.......am lisa and my lil pug babe's hiley...and i have a rottie call ruby...who's staying with my dad cos she can't fit into my condo. my dad used to own few more but we have to sell them cos too many to handle....but all of them are lovely.

i believe that rott makes a very good family dogs...they can guard and really nice to people that they fond of. don't think they'll simply bite people for no reasons. it's not fair how the media projected them to the public after few cases. there's no bad breed...just bad breeders or owner.

cheersWink
cheers : lisa,hiley & jadite

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Polluxx
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Apr 14, 2004, 4:55 AM

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Hi all,

I tot of sharing tis wonderful story abt a 'misunderstood' rottie as published in the 'The Rottweiler In Word & Picture' by ADRK E.V. Stuggart 1926

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Title :Saved From Death

In the city of M. I had ended my apprenticeship and now came to a cattle butcher in W. How great was my joy when, as I entered his house, a beautiful Rottweiler came up to me. That made me right at home. It was like a greeting from my father's house far away. Since I had left there, I had seldom seen a Rottweiler. In M. there weren't any of them at all - at most a Giant Schnauzer - but it was different in W. where every butcher owned a Rottweiler. The reason for this was not a knowledge of the breed, but rather the feeling that a Rottweiler too belonged in a butcher's family, the way people had always been used to. And it was that way at my employer's house. He too had been accustomed from childhood on to seeing a Rottweiler around the house.

Just having arrived, I asked my fellow apprentice about the Rottweiler. But in his opinion, "Spanner" was no good. "The only thing he can do is bark at people, so nobody dares come in the house." He wouldn't let anybody touch him and sullenly avoided all members of the household. Nevertheless my interest in the dog was there, and so I tried to make friends with him. But soon I had to go along with my co-worker's opinion. "Spanner" remained unreachable, an introverted good-for-nothing with whom no one could be on good terms.

One day I was supposed to fetch two calves from nearby N. Our horse was lame, so I knew I had my work ahead of me if I was to drive the two animals. I asked my employer if I could take Spanner with me. But my request was curtly denied. The dog would only inflict injuries, would bite the calves' legs, etc. However, I was not to be turned down so easily. If I couldn't do it one way, I'd try another. I turned to my employer's "better half" and she seemed to have more understanding. She thought it would do the dog good to get out, and so I got my way.

As I took the dog out of town, there appeared an unbounded joy such as I have never seen; the dog was transformed. I could do what I liked to him. I could hold him, pet him - he allowed anything. An hour before I would have considered it impossible.

So we arrived in N., where I looked up the agent who told me the name of the calves' owner. I went into the stall, tied the rope around the animal and pushed him in the usual way out the door, just as I had often seen it done at home. This was done so that the calf was pushed out backwards, so that the cow and calf could see each other. In the doorway, the baiting was supposed to begin. As soon as the command "Grab his nose!" was given, I would stand by the calf's hindquarters and the dog then had to grab the calf's muzzle. The calf then whips around in fear and looks to me for help from the dog. The dog then followed, always frightening the calf with more barking , while the latter willingly let himself be led. How great was my astonishment when, in this case, Spanner reacted to the command, although he was not trained, and that he did the work required of him.

The same scene was enacted on the second calf. The dog worked as though he had never done anything else. I put both calves in the courtyard in order to pay the agent the commission he had coming. He was completely beside himself. At lasy, he said, once again he had seen calf herding of the old school, it always used to be done that way, and my father must have been a butcher or a cattleman too.

As I went through the city with my calves and "my" Spanner drove them on, obeying every motion of my hand, my heart beat so fast I could hardly wait to show my employer the good qualities of the Rottweiler.

From that day on, Spanner was my constant companion. Even on Sundays he would not leave my side. The friendship was so great that my employer's wife often had a good laugh. Every ox from then on was fetched with Spanner - no shipment was carried out without him.

Once my employer bought a stubborn ox in Ch. He ordered me to use the greatest care in fetching him. In the beginning it went very well; from the dog's energetic running back and forth, the ox was so occupied that for a long time he found no opportunity to to play any tricks on me. We had gone along about an hour when the ox stopped short - jumping sideways and knocking me over was a matter of seconds. Realizing he was free, the ox leaped wildly about and ran off. When he finally slowed his pace a little, I crept up on him from behind. But when he saw me, he turned like lightning and rushed, bellowing wildly, toward me. I though my time had come, since no one was anywhere to be seen, who might somehow have helped. But then something happened that momentarily paralized me. My Spanner had immediately taken in the situation. He threw himself with unbelieveable force on the animal, grabbed his muzzle with a jerk and bit hard. He would not be shaken loose in spite of the tremendous efforts of the ox, who bellowed in pain like a lion. In the meantime I had recovered from my fright. I grabbed up the rope immediately. Only then did Spanner let go of the ox, who was trembling in every limb, and who would now let himself be led like a lamb. If Spanner had not come to my aid at the last moment, I would long ago been under the ground. I owe my life to Spanner.

And only now did my employer get a real idea of Spanner. Finally he saw in him a jewel, which from then on was highly valued.

When I left W. later on, parting was difficult, not from my employers, but from my beloved Spanner. In vain I begged my employer to let me have the Rottweiler for a nice sum of money, but he would not let him go at any price. So I had to leave, but such is life, that one has to part with that which he loves most.

What is most stiking about this Rottweiler is the psychological moment. How could such a good helper be made from a moody good-for-nothing, and that in the wave of a hand? All efforts to befriend the animal went astray. Why? Because the working instinct slumbering in the Rottweiler could not come into play. Only when the dog could work, when the purpose of his being was fulfilled for him, was he satisfied. And how touching is the greatful dependence he shows the person who satisfied that working instinct for the first time!

In my opinion, the Rottweiler, precisely because of his need for work, should not grow up in a kennel, because his instinct is not satisfied here. The more the Rottweiler is kept busy, the better his abilities will develop, for his whole being strives for work and action.


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"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


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chilimson
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Apr 14, 2004, 8:03 AM

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Hi Polluxx, it must have been a while since we have a chance to chit chat on the forum. Thanks for the great article. I think it rightfully describe the spirit of the Rottweiler, which is loyal and resolute!Sly I think there is more than just educating the public that is important, but rather it is important for breeders to consider undertaking the task breeding excellent TYPE of Rottweiler. However, it is too idealistic to imagine that the whole Rottweiler situation will change drastically. Personally, I think the situation in Germany is the result of similar negative outcome of its popularity, and thus a sharp correction by the ADRK to institute changes to hopefully save the breed. I honestly think that there is some success in Germany and Western European countries. However, I think the situation really got worst elsewhere, as the local controlling body have little influence over the breeding program. Therefore, the printing of money continues at the expense of the breed, as accidents and vicious Rottweiler attacks begining to force legislations and social hatred.

Well, I think the breeders of today, must take the resolute stand of improving the breed and not breed for money or for fun. This is true for every breed, then only will the future of each breed be preserve for future generations and not face the tragic extinction like the dinos!


Booker
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Apr 14, 2004, 6:17 PM

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Hi Polluxx,
Thank you so much for your valuable comments.Sometimes I was wondering what is the role of our local Kennal Association in controlling of the breeding program.For me, the registration of breeding is SOOO lenience. You just need to show both stud and bitch certificates to them within 7 days after the mating and the Association will then register the litter under that mate. My question is, if you are really a good friend of someone who own a champion dog and he is keen enough to borrow his stud dog to you or with minimum stud service fees, this means that even with poor nerve bitch you also can later advertise your litter with "Show Quality Puppy from Champion Father..."..bla bla bla. Is that really what we want? IMO some standard procedures should be implemented in controlling the quality of the rottweiler in our country. Before a breeder wish to breed their dog, the dog should at least pass some examination which is required from the Association, both Physical and Sychological, to make sure the dog is fit/suitable enough to breed. I understand that our country is still lacking of those new technology such like to check on ED/HD but at least, we should be able to check on the Dog's temporament rite?


Booker
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Apr 14, 2004, 6:39 PM

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Hi Lisa, nice to see another Rottie fan in the forum.....Wink Really wish to see more ppl joining this thread to share their opinion on Rottweiler. (Doesn't means that they must own a rott......)I own a female rott and she is now 9 months old. She is so OB and really like to please ppl. Most of the time ppl got wrong information that the dog is trying to attack them when it run to them or chasing them.In fact, the dog is just want to play with them,such like my pup...Crazy


liswarhol
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Apr 14, 2004, 7:04 PM

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hi

another great article...nice touchy one. hmmmmmm...one thing i can say about rott, they are so humane at times....great breed.

just can't believe my ruby...she'll even shut her pup (henna) up, whenever she barks...hehehe...

thanks for a nice one to start my day with.

cheersWink
cheers : lisa,hiley & jadite


liswarhol
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Apr 14, 2004, 7:35 PM

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hi

yeah am so glad to finally have a rotty thread to enjoy and share about our rotties.

well, many are afraid of rott as the media here gave a bad impression on them but they didn't realise that human's the main disaster in all nature. some owners came to me and my family with their issues...and end up blaming on their rotties lor. my we'll usually advice them but still up to them to accept the fact.

even some got guardline rotts through breeders without knowing about it! those are the one master type lor...and more agressive lor....

to me after having few of them, i've never gotten any probs at all...dunno why this people got so many issues.

nice to meet you.............keep in touch. need to go cos got appointment with client.

cheersWink
cheers : lisa,hiley & jadite


Polluxx
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Apr 15, 2004, 7:29 AM

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Hi All,


Hi chilimson,
Yup ! it has been a while mate, . . . btw U r absolutely rite this greed for $$$ is causing the breed quality to decline rapidly....sometimes U gotta wonder what r those breeder who profess their luv for tis breed is Doing ...? ? Crazy . . .

And . . . those 'damm' breed specific legislation Mad, ....they should have 'breeder' specific legislation instead....Darn...! ! MadMad

my hope is that tis distinct character quality within the dear 'butcher dog' will stand the test of time . . . ! !



Hi Booker,
Yes.....sometime I oso wonder what their roles are, other than collecting the litter registration fee of course . . . . ! ! Wink


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we should be able to check on the Dog's temperament rite?


Well , hopefully the breed chapter will come out wt something in the near future for a change . . ! ! Unsure Until then, I guess the only way to test our dog's nerve & his working temperament is to involve ourselves wt dogspot such ScH and at the same time can keep the dog strong in mind & body Tongue



Hi liswarhol,

No problem , in fact I hope it brighten up the day of every one who read it ...! ! he he he . . . Wink


Here's a quote from a countess describing rott's nature :
"the self-denying defender is a real lamb at home, His clever eye can light up causing fear shine, being absolutely naive wt friend, The rottweiler though is not elegant, but he has the nobleness of force, cheerful nature, self respect and deep soul"

. . . . and rightly so . .wouldn't U say... !! Cool


Cheers






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


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Booker
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Apr 17, 2004, 1:40 AM

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Hi Polluxx,how are you? So, when will you be getting ur Rottie?Wink Our country really needs more ppl like you who knows very clearly on your role as a dog owner.


Polluxx
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Hi Booker,

I'm fine & thanx for your comment but the truth is I'm still very far from being a good owner ..... ! ! Wink

As for getting a rott, well let's just say . . . I m hoping it will be in the very near future . . ! ! ! Smile

So how's ur rott coming along ? ? frm ur avatar, it looks like he is developing along quite nicely...he he he... ! !






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


Booker
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Hi Polluxx, just to tell u that......my rottie is a SHE lah......haha.......Well, she is doing fine, and I've shown her for 2 MKA shows in puppy group recently but too bad, she reluctants to run in the ring.She can really stack nicely and no prob in letting the judge to check on the bite.Anyway, will keep trying again and hope in near future, I can get some title for her......Wink

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Polluxx
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Hi Booker,

My mistake....looks like my eyesight is getting poorer wt age...CoolCool


BTW ....dun worry too much on wt ur dog performance during the show . . . it is still just 'show' only.....but most importantly both U & her enjoy the outing together . . . Tongue Wink






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


Scott_Sheila
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May 24, 2004, 10:36 PM

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Thank you so much for the wonderful write ups about Rottie. To me Rotties are a regal and magnificent breed.

Cody is my first Rottie puppy. Even he is only 9 weeks old, people are scared of him and some of them referred to him as "the dog that kills ppl". That comments upset me. Even though I don't know much about Rotties except from what I've read from books but Scott is crazy about them. He has been having Rotweilers for a while now. Ninja, Chloe, Marty, and Dux, the one he loved the most. Dux was a 150 pounds schutzhund dog from champion bloodlines. He was loyal and loving and when he died Scott didn't think he would have another Rottie. Truth is, Dux saved his life. He was attacked by two adult GSD, he hit the ground and all he remember was that the two GSDs were dead. Dux broke their necks.

Dux was trained well. He loved kids and would not harm any of them. He was smart and intuitive. Even though he was a strong and tough outside he was really a baby inside. He would sulk when left too long and when scolded.

I am really glad that he's finally decided to take a new puppy now. Maybe cause in so many ways Cody is like Dux, despite that Cody will be a smaller male. His coat is not all black (which shows that he is not a pure breed, maybe cause his mum is local even though his dad is from a champion bloodline.) and he will never be a show dogs. However, what he is lacking in size, he is compensating it with his strong mind and intelligence. At this age, he already starts barking..*lol*

Rotties are wonderful dogs through proper trainings. I also agree that people who can't handle large breed dogs like a Rottie, they might as well not get one.

:)Sheila


Booker
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Hi Sheila:
Nice to see another Rottie's fan here in the forum.You are rite.Many ppl categorised Rottweiler as a KILLER DOG which is really unfair to the dog. Most of the time it is the owner's fault for letting the giant breed run free with minimum attention. Dog bites for a reason and the owner should teach the dog when to bite or if the owner cannot handle the dog then they shouldn't work the dog or teach the dog to bite from the first place.
Puppy training is very very important and only with correct training your dog can turn up to be a CGC.


PSD
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Dog bites for a reason and the owner should teach the dog when to bite or if the owner cannot handle the dog then they shouldn't work the dog or teach the dog to bite from the first place.


Booker, You are somewhat right that dog bites for a variety of reasons. It could be out of teritorial aggression, fear of threats, being challenged, or simply dont like a person's crooked face...kakakak..seriously, what I want to eventually say is "bite needs no training" A dog knows how to bite from the day it was born in suckling and then when they can move they will bite play with each other of their littermates. Then when they can run the will chase each other and try to bite everywhere from biting the ears, the necks, the legs, the body thew tail and everywhere u can imagine. This is the way the dog learns as mother nature intended. This is the foundation of bite work. So it is very innacurate to say that by not teaching your dog to bite he wont. The dog already knows how to bite regardless of we teach or not.

When it comes to PP or Protection Sports, it is very mistaken to say that those dogs are dangerous. Well from the above, if a dog with no training bites as compared to a trained dog bites.....which is more dangerous? In most case, a trained dog will bite for a valid reason while an untrained dog will bite for whatsoever reasons so which of this case is more dangerous? Further to this, a trained dog will release at the handlers command while will an untrained dog do ?????

Therefore I'm more inclined to say get a breed that is suited to our own lifestyle and if we want a breed that has the natural ability to guard and to protect then put them into training and upgrade our own skills in understanding their behaviour and how to handle them well. At least O/B them should be rule No. 1. This way the dog will then be a safe dog whatever the breed.

Just to add on some thoughts in case people mistakenly think PP dog or Schutzhund dog is a dangerous dog.....it is definately very very very far from the truth.Smile

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

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ngkl
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Jun 11, 2004, 11:51 PM

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Yoo ... brother ... i'm finally in ... now in new working place ... got a bit time to spend on the net .... oooppss !!! hie everyone .. i also have a Rott. He just celebrated his 1st birthday. If a killer is a man, does it means that all man are a killer? Some AI question to ask about ... Crazy


Booker
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Jun 12, 2004, 6:46 AM

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Hi Pal, glad to see u in the forum. Miss Rufus very much and from the picture he looks very "Handsome"...haahaha......

Sorry to tell u that my comp's email is still not available so will surely keep in touch with u again once my email is ready.

By the way, u should introduce yourself to the board mah so that ppl will know u better.......

Last, welcome to the Forum pal.......


ngkl
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Don't worry bro, inside this forum I think everyone here has Rottie or working group of dogs. Glad that you are fine so do Riff. So are you staying in Butterworth now? Rufus look mature a bit, but still fussy about his food. Unsure


robros
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Hi all,

So nice to have people who understand why we love Rotties. Other people usually give me a weird look and some even ask me why on earth I have gotten not one but two of the ferocious killer breed!!

My rotties are getting on in years. One is 8 and the other 7. They are still healthy and do not have any problems yet. Whenever I think of their advancing age, I feel a little sad. They have been such a major part of our lives.


Dar
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Hi Everyone,

Its nice to read about rottis here. I think finally the rotti people got together here. After all the heavy reading lets get to something light, I came acrose this in the net sometimes ago and would like to share it here;

Once upon a time, long, long ago, before Mankind and Dogdom learned to love one another, the Grand Canine Council of Eight, which govern the fate of all dogs, called an important meeting. It had been decided that the governing of dogs would be more easily accomplished if each dog was designated by the name of his choice and each breed could then select a prototype to portray breed characteristics. This action was deemed necessary because Mankind and Dogdom were to soon unite, hopefully to the benefit of each.

On the appointed day, the representatives gathered and one by one, in a orderly fashion, each made his selection from a series of catalogs depicting body parts available. As the day wore on, it became clear that there was not enough material on have to satisfy all breed requirements. Shortages were beginning to develop, especially in the ear and tail categories. A few of the breed representatives began to show signs of anxiety.

A Greyhound crowded near a large dog at the front of the line.
"Please, friend Rottweiler," whined the Greyhound,
"let me take your place in line. If I stay at the end of the line there won't be any long tails to act as a rudder, Greyhound will run crookedly."

"Well, Okay," said the Rottweiler, and he moved back a step for the grateful Greyhound. The line began inching forward again.

"Pardon me, sir," rumbled a deep voice at the rottweiler's shoulder.
"Would you mind if I went ahead of you?"

"Well," said the Rottweiler,"I really don't think...."
"You see, " the deep voice went on, "we St. Bernards must have great size to perform our rescue work in the show. It's extremely difficult for small dogs to rescue people. Just think of all those lost children."
"Oh, all right," sighed the Rottweiler, and again he moved back in line."

And so it went....a little prototype dog for whom a long body was essential so he could wriggle into badger holes edged in; a Terrier type needed agility and speed to catch rats; another needed a dense coat to be comfortable while guarding sheep in winter; a tiny prototype needed a silky coat to please those upon whose lap she sat. Finally, all that remained was the tired canine who had patiently yielded his place to the others. Sadly, he looked through the catalogues. Most of the items had black lines drawn through them....all of the good stock was gone. The Rottweiler sighed deeply.

"HURRY UP", yapped the Eighth Fate, without looking up.
"Well," said the Rottweiler, very alert now that his turn had come.
"I guess a big deep chest won't look bad with small ears that stand up sharply."
"Sorry," said the Eighth Fate. "All out of stand-up ears."
"NO STAND UP EARS!?" howled the Rottweilers.
"That's what I said. We can give you rosettes, long or medium-short, but they all drop."
"I'll take the medium-short," said the Rottweiler with disappointment,
"They won't be too noticeable with a nice bright color combination."
"NO BRIGHT COLORS," yipped the Second Fate.
"Only black." "BLACK?" Snarled the Rottweiler.
"Wait, Wait," whimpered the Fourth Fate, in an attempt to placate,
"Here are a few tan markings you can scatter on the face and legs."
"I have three white hairs here," said the Fifth Fate. Not enough for everyone, but occasionally you can sprinkle two or three on a chest."
"It's not really what we had in mind." said the Rottweiler.
Then he brightened,
"However a big plume of a tail will make up for everything."
"SORRY," barked the Sixth Fate, "NO TAILS."
"WHAT!" Roared the Rottweiler,
"You expect me to report back to my breed chairman in BLACK with a few tan markings, DROP EARS and NO TAIL?"
"Sorry," said the others. "You should have gotten here sooner."
"One moment," the Chief Fate interceded.
"This prototype was one of the first to arrive."
"I can't help that," said the Eighth Fate crankily (he was getting very tired).
"Besides," added the Third Fate,
"All of the catalogues are closed. There are no more supplies to be had."
"I realize that, " answered the Chief Fate,
"but we can do what all good dogs should do.....give something of ourselves. From each of us, Rottweiler, you will receive one gift to bestow upon your breed:

COURAGE,GENTLENESS, INTELLIGENCE,
STRENGTH, LOYALTY, PLACIDITY, HANDSOMENESS and VIGILANCE.



However, the greatest attribute of any breed you already possess in abundance.....

Beverly Mitchell

Bye

Dar


(This post was edited by Dar on Jul 4, 2004, 6:43 PM)


shaun_sia
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Though i m no expert in raisin rottie..but i m very pleased with my rottie named Jazz...

She is 15 y/o n she has been very popular with kids in the neighbourhood...my neighbour kids used to ride her like a horse when they were kids then..

I totally agree its the owner or breeder n not the breed that makes a dog bad dog...

Jazz has been my very good friend...we are very close....sometimes i feel sad that she is old...so old that she is lying on the floor most of the time...but i always try to get her to walk with me...unleashed...she will never be a stone thrwo away from me...

Recently i got two more rotties, one named Mars n the other Stout...they r just adorable...great is the only word i can use to describe rottie.. i honestly lov them...

My house is just opposite a primary school, i always try to show the kids that rotties are not dangerous dogs by putting my palm into their mouth..n tell the kids they wont bite..

I oso try to ask the kids to pat / stroke my rotties...n they luv it...

Yup i really hope ppl not not misled of this good breed...

I LOVE ROTTIE....


XoXo
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Nov 8, 2004, 6:43 PM

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15 years old for a rotti dog? Wow that is one very old dog. Most pure bread rotti can live until 10~12 years old by average.


shaun_sia
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Nov 8, 2004, 8:07 PM

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yup..i m very pleased with my rottie, Jazz, though she is old she still look beautiful...even my vet commented that she has been very well kept...

aha...she can't walk long distance these days, she needs to stop on the way for a walk...sometime she even have to lie down for a while 2catch her breath...then i will stop by n stoke her head... n we will continue walkin...

she will still bark at stranger coming near my house from where she lies...only "emergency" she will run 2the gate n bark at intruders...

she is an old faithful... n i really appreciate her service as a guard dog...


ngkl
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Mar 23, 2005, 9:44 PM

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Rottie attacked children. So whose fault? Owner or the malay boy? I do hope that the 3 dogs will have a better life after this incident. If really wanted to put to sleep, better put the owner to sleep for good. You all should go and have a look at the place in Puchong. Not even fit for a human to stay, and he treats his dogs like cockroaches. What the hell he is thinking about. The owner of these 3 lovely dogs should have goes to prison. Such irresponsible person shouldn't keep this type of dog. As for the boy, i really hope that he will learned a very valuable lesson. Don't go out and disturb dogs.


(This post was edited by ngkl on Mar 23, 2005, 9:45 PM)


Polluxx
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Mar 25, 2005, 4:43 AM

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Hi ngkl,

Another sad story of our breed ..., I hope the the authority will deal wt the owner rather than punish the dog. Its always

stupid & irresponsible owner who who coz the bad name to the breed. Typical charcteristic of irresponsible owner...only wan to own

them but dun wan to take care , much less bother to train them..... !!! tis kind owner should be punish severely .......!!



when dogs r let out in pack, they will work like a pack and hunt like apack....part of their instinct.....!! owners have theresponsiblity to

ensure incident like this do not happen...esp when they r let out in-pack......!!!






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ngkl
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Mar 25, 2005, 9:15 PM

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Now the owner even wanted to cheat the authority by sending another 2 mongrels to them. Hiding from the fact. I'm really disappointed with his attitude by giving them the "one", I think he dislike most. Then go and hide the other two.

Really disappointed. I can't walk my dog recently. Everyone is talking, gossiping and started to pin-point to my house when they walk in front of my house. Started to point at my dog. Started to speak in cantonese - "haiyo ngau sei yan keh kow" ... last time walk in the neighbourhood, nobody says anything, now... my dog is like a star in Setapak. Really bollywood.


tterrynick
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Mar 26, 2005, 1:58 AM

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hi there everyone.

we are getting a 3 y/o rotti next month. any tips on handling a full grown male rott? he is fully trained and a lovable boy. he gets along well with my mongrel girl. he will come home to us early next month. looking forward to him. excited and a bit worried too, because of all the bad press recently. but we need a good guard dog to look after our house as we have just moved into a new area and most of the neighbouring houses are not occupied yet.

i have 3 pekes - nicky, tutu and lingling and a mixed named gigit. so this is the first owning a large breed. anything to look out for?

cheers guys. hope to be part of your rotti group.


ngkl
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Mar 26, 2005, 6:40 PM

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Wow! that's nice. Since you got the well trained rotti. I think you should have any problem with him. He gets along well with your gigit. How about your Pekingnese? Just spend more time with him. Rotti get jealous quite easily and they are more dominant type. If you started to handle him, and he seeing you touching/pat other dogs, they don't like it at all. So be extra cautious when you play with your peks...

Have fun with him... he like to play all the time, spend sometime for late evening walk or early morning walk. Let him know the place surrounding neighbourhood.

Rotti loves to play, just enjoy it....


tterrynick
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Mar 26, 2005, 11:08 PM

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the pekes are in the house. gigit and flyboy (rotti) will be outside. hope that works!


chilimson
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Mar 27, 2005, 8:35 AM

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Just curious on what you meant by he is trained? Do you mean obedience training or manwork? Please remember that Rottie will be Rottie and so please spend some time understanding this breed. Please spend a lot of time with him when he arrived and watch his temperament. Therefore, it is definitely worth spending time first before you let him loose to roam your house. He will start marking up his "territory" and you will need to take care before you trust him fully.

If his temperament is mild and not a typical Rottie, then having him as a pet is one of the greatest gift you could have. He will be loyal and obedient. You must make sure that he accept you as the dominant owner and obey your voice command.

Enjoy him.


tterrynick
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Mar 27, 2005, 7:57 PM

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he is supposedly trained as a guard dog, against intruders. we will have to go through training as owners as well in order to handle him. i am actually a bit apprehensive but we do need a guard dog around the house - as i have mentioned, the area i have just moved into is new and most houses are not occupied yet.


chilimson
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Mar 28, 2005, 8:52 AM

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I think you need to determine whether the dog is being trained for manwork and please check his temperament. You cannot undone what is being done. A Rottie will always be a Rottie, and so please take extreme care because you must really understand his temperament. Do not take chances, unless you have had plenty experience with the guard dog. I have been keeping them for many years, and I think many people do not understand them and wanted to keep them by assuming that they are like GSD. They are not GSD, and also not GR. Please spend a lot of time understanding him and take control of him. There are many ways of training guard dog, some are fast and some are slow. However, some method leaves permanent "damage" to the dog, and so do not blame them. It is better to install security alarms, then rely on "guard" dogs. You only can afford to own one, when you are prepared to train with them and be the alfa dog. Am not intruding, but just cautioning.


tterrynick
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Mar 28, 2005, 10:34 PM

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i understand what you are saying and i really appreciate your concern. i will try my best to be a responsible owner and look after him well. please feel free to give me more advise. thanks!!


RealityDreamer
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Mar 28, 2005, 10:49 PM

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Hey Polluxx,

How r u doing? Long time no talk

What's ur email? Drop me a mail at realitydreamer69@yahoo.com if u hv the time. Would like your opinion and help on some dogs.

Hope to hear from u soon.
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Polluxx
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Hi RD,

Nice to see U on-board as well ...!

....do chk ur email !!






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Sydney
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Mar 30, 2005, 1:53 AM

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Hi there, rottweilers are extreme dogs which like to be taken care of. their ability is good at guarding the house. If you're an experienced owner then you can breed 1. be gentle wif the dog or else you have a stitch.

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Your's truly,
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Booker
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Mar 31, 2005, 6:58 AM

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Hi Loon,

Nice to see u on board. My first impression when I heard the news of "Rottweiler attacked again!!" early morning from the radio was, "Why ROTTWEILER again??" and immediately my conclusion was, another irresponsible owner. Was wonder what is the purpose of those ppl keeping a rottweiler. Is rottweiler adorable? Well, before 8 weeks then yes, they are adorable but not when they are in their full grown of size. Is rottweiler really a good guard dog? My answer will be, YES and NO. Yes if the owner really understand their dog with stable temperament and really willing to spend lots of time to train them at least the basic obidience. Some Rottweilers are not a suitable guard dog at all especially if they are coming from some Eastern Europe where the breeders tend to breed tame tamperament of Rottweiler so that it is suitable to keep as a pet. Therefore, as an owner, we really need to understand the dog especially ROTTWEILER breed. For me,Rottweiler is not for everybody who just love to own a BIG dog which can make them look really macho when the walk with them at the street but does not understand the breed very well. Rottweiler need a lot of time to play with ppl and run free rather than just chaining them or putting them in the crate.

The worst part of the incident was, the owner didn't even own any dog license. If they are not keen enough to even pay for the lisence, why should they deserve to keep a dog from the first place? Therefore, as a Rottweiler lover, we should point out those irresponsible owner and stop them from keeping Rottweiler before the government totally bend on this breed. Or else, everything will be just too late and Rottweiler breed will become extinct in our country.


ngkl
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Mar 31, 2005, 6:55 PM

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hi buddy,

How are your 'boy' n 'girl' doing? hope everything is fine. When is the real boy or girl is coming? Haha.. I just got my bdr cheras mahkota house keys. Moving in after I renovated a bit of my house. Don't know whether there got rottweiler or not? If not sure people will scare of me when I bring my rottie out for late evening walk. Really discomfort when people looking at my dog and said "killer dog", don't go near to their kids. Really uneducated parent, uneducated uncle/aunty. To them, whole world people is criminal because human also kills what....


sparky84
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Apr 19, 2005, 8:36 PM

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Wow...its great to meet so many Rottie lovers here. Really appreciate all the articles and stuff u guys post up.
I own a Rottie too...its a male,now 1yr and 4 months old.
Its such a gentle doggie but a tad playful at times Smile
His fav pastime is nudging me to play his "ball ball" with him. Mm...sadly i'm leaving for UK soon for a yr. Really miss him lots and my parents do not have so much time to play with himFrown And am worried that he will forget bout me...Frown


ngkl
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Apr 26, 2005, 7:42 PM

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oh no!!! r u leaving for good? if yes, who gonna take care your rottie? poor him... your parent love him or not?


robros
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May 13, 2005, 1:30 AM

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sad sad day it will be if ever the breed is banned. Like in Shah Alam where rotties along with 7 other breeds are banned. Owners have until end of 2005 to surrender their dogs to the authorities to be put to sleep or give away to a non-shah alam resident. How if you have had your rotties with you for 9 years?? Like asking you to surrender your own flesh and blood. Luckily i do not stay in that area and hope that PJ will never be like that.

owning rotties are not easy. They are a demanding breed. Needs lots of OB training, love, attention and care. Also, if they dun respect you as a alpha person, die-lah! My male rottie only listens to me but can tolerate my family but he won't do as they command. He only listens and do whatever I say.

I have fallen deeply attached to rotties.


stanleyee
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Jun 14, 2005, 11:50 PM

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They should keep this breed for sure... they are really a very good dog... i used to have 1 but went to heaven on monday.... rottie wont actually attack ppl unless they disturb the rottie....ROTTIE is such a wonderful dog...




I may not be the one who start the fight, but I will not hesitate to finished it ....

"expect the un-expected".....cheers..!!

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ngkl
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yupe yupe... If they really want to take my rottie away, i'll give away my life together with my dog. This is to show that how much I love them.


stanleyee
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Jun 16, 2005, 2:32 AM

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wah... don ahve to give away ur life la.... wakakkaakka.... i think we should actually do something to open up the gov. brains on dog good deeds




I may not be the one who start the fight, but I will not hesitate to finished it ....

"expect the un-expected".....cheers..!!

http://s246.photobucket.com/...07/wollyee/?start=40


ngkl
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Jun 17, 2005, 4:30 PM

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yes yes!!! i totally agreed with you. Why don't on the next election, I'll propose you as one of the district MP? and of course you also can nominate me as one of the MP as well.

then in the parliment meeting, we brain wash our PM, DPM, and all other Minister and Deputy minister...




stanleyee
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Jun 17, 2005, 6:53 PM

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eh wonderful idea la.....but to wait for the chnce a bit slim la ahhahaha...better find someone who are already working inside the parliment.....




I may not be the one who start the fight, but I will not hesitate to finished it ....

"expect the un-expected".....cheers..!!

http://s246.photobucket.com/...07/wollyee/?start=40


ngkl
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Jun 20, 2005, 5:16 PM

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haiyoyo... then we need extra $$$ to give it to them (under table) .. we must purposely to breed our dog.. so that to gain extra $ for this reason. so i will lose my dog virginity. sob sob...



good idea?


stanleyee
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Jun 20, 2005, 6:18 PM

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wah lau eh..... u like that also can ar.... "pui fok pui fok"..... by the way.. how old is ur rottie??




I may not be the one who start the fight, but I will not hesitate to finished it ....

"expect the un-expected".....cheers..!!

http://s246.photobucket.com/...07/wollyee/?start=40


Raphael
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Jun 21, 2005, 10:26 PM

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yo guys

im looking for a superior temprement ,health ,and protection instinct rottie adult male for my girl,,,can anyone help?
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ngkl
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Jun 21, 2005, 11:48 PM

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my rottie just celebated his 2nd birthday..on 3rd june... by the way, raphel .. interested to be relative? hahaha....


RealityDreamer
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Jun 22, 2005, 3:23 AM

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Have u checked out James' dogs?

http://www.rottville.com

heard this rottie gang do protection pretty often.
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ngkl
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Jun 22, 2005, 5:25 PM

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then, u can also check out mr.liew's dog... www.therockkennel.com


stanleyee
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Jun 22, 2005, 5:52 PM

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hey i saw a classified in star paper.. there is a rottie selling for RM600.. 2 age forgot already.. it a female.... the other 1 RM800 with cert. and there is also another 2.. RM1600 with cert and its a large breed and the other 1 is RM1000 large breed but when giving birth the mummy accidently step on the pup leg... so will be cheaper




I may not be the one who start the fight, but I will not hesitate to finished it ....

"expect the un-expected".....cheers..!!

http://s246.photobucket.com/...07/wollyee/?start=40


robros
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Jun 22, 2005, 8:47 PM

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Sometimes, the breeders advertised in the papers are selling pups from puppy mills. I have seen rotties that are sickly and have HD problems when they grow up.

If anyone is looking for a big breed like Rotties, please, don't prioritize the price. Don't get seduced by the cheap offer. Might have problems that require expensive vet attention in the future. Worse right?? It is not easy to get a breed like rotties adopted as an adult.


nicky_spykeaz
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Jun 23, 2005, 7:56 AM

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Did you check out the latest article on this month, the one with the St Bernard as the front cover? There is a section on full length on rottie because of the attack. It true what they said, this breed need alot of training and socialization with human and other dog. Even the famous dog trainer Stephen admit he never got beaten by a rottie, so far is only GSD and dobernman. Why ppl discriminate rottie? I think it kinda cute to hug and play with. It like a big teddy bear only with teeth Tongue

Cheers ya,

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stanleyee
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Jun 23, 2005, 8:03 PM

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well like what u said training...Very important...this is very true. but training doesnt only go for GD but all the dogs also need it. At least obediance. So far i haven encounter any story saying GSD attack ppl but doberman yes la....U actually have to spend some time playing wit this big dog...helps them to release tension ahhahahaha.... PPL out there...

NO TIME NO BIG DOGS.....!!!!




I may not be the one who start the fight, but I will not hesitate to finished it ....

"expect the un-expected".....cheers..!!

http://s246.photobucket.com/...07/wollyee/?start=40


ngkl
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Jun 24, 2005, 12:10 AM

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yes... everynight before u go to bed... make sure u play one "big" round with them first.. otherwise... they will make all disturbance noise that makes u can't Zzz well....

do some walking, good for your health n your dog also.

if u don't walk your dog, then your dog will just sit and wait for those kids to pass by, n started to bark at them, and waiting for the missiles from them. Then your dog need to show off his/her skills to avoid them.


nicky_spykeaz
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Jun 24, 2005, 1:48 AM

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True...all my dog spend alot of time playing with each other...not forgetting me ler....i one big child...hehe...
of course that apply to all dog breed..even my mixed breed now is tough in obediance that the rest..he very rascal if no training to be done..but thank god..there is something all my dog scare is the roll of newspaper n the bang..silence they will be Smile
About GSD, i think it easier to train cuz actually in real life a GSD is less protective that the rottie..For example, if you approach a GSD, there is a chance the dog will back a bit but still aggressive, but as for a rottie, is FrownFrown..it never back out and it will continue to guard it property till he can..
The main thing never teach or train your to unlike your guest or stranger, instead, train them to understand situation they should attack and understand the command of OFF..this is very important as this will help you to control your dog when attacking..
Like my GSD, they never back at stranger unless you walk to close to the gate, only growl will come out, then even guest enter my home, i leave the dog off leash. But there is something bad about my dog, never carry thing out from my home unless it only family member of the house, if not.... Frown..if you know what i mean..Now both of GSD is helping my friend guarding hie property, so far it Frown up job.. Smile

Cheers ya,

Nicki the Devil live by the reputation of the name



boBby is a craz3 car PassaNger
Fat FaT other case Elegant Car GuEst
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Jun 25, 2005, 6:48 PM

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there is once i read a book on GSD, rottie and bull terrier, GSD attack by bitting the fella and when the fells went down he letgo the mouth. Rottie will never let go until u ask to let go and perhaps may cause death. Bull terrier will bite and tear off and will never let go even owner ask to let go... what a sturborn dog... My fren having 1 of this rare breed... his dog jaws actually very very strong. The dog he keep in warehouse and lock in the cage..at night when let go he'll look for this to bite.. example steel rod..wahahahahhaha..!!!




I may not be the one who start the fight, but I will not hesitate to finished it ....

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Booker
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Jun 28, 2005, 8:40 PM

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Hi Raphael, good to see you on board. Just would like to ask u one question. What is your intention on breeding your rottweiler? Is it because of you would like to creat a blood line which is with stable temperament,HD/ED Free or just breed for money? Sorry to be so direct since I've seen enough so many health and Temperament problem rottweilers in our country which come from many irresponsible breeders who just breed for nothing else but MONEY.Mad How many puppy millers really concern about whether their puppy is going to a correct home who is resposible enough to keep this giant breed? That is the main cause of the Shah Alam's incident happenned.

I do not know whether I've got the right to give my comment here but as a lover of this breed, I really think that we need to work on something to save this breed from being "extinct" from our country. For your information, our Malaysia Rottweiler Chapter is working hard in implementing temperament test on every single rottweiler which is being register with MKA and only those rottie who pass basic obidience & Temperament test will allowed to breed. Later we may want to test on the HD/ED.

Last,just to tell all of you that JB also follow the "Wagon" on baning the breeds which is going to be done by Shah Alam. What a sad day for rottweiler lover like us.


Raphael
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Jun 29, 2005, 7:06 AM

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Yo Booker

its great to read and know that there are still ppl concerned and have the time and effort to write and try to educate others,,i have givven up,and trully lost any intrest in teaching or say educating ppl. about whats called dangerouse breeds,that i,you,and few more know how wonderfull these dogs are

i hope you and others copy and paste what you wrote up there,and repeat it in every occasion possible

now to answer you,,im not breeding to gain or make any money,,and,FYI,none of my dogs or pups are for sale.those pups that are to my expectations,will stay,those that are 80% good 20% not,,wont reproduce,those that have problems with nerves,will have to go to sleeeeeep,,,,very deeep

im producing dogs to love,serve,live with,blindly obey,and most important,.,protect humans,all this with minimum training required.if any of the above is missing,its below what i need

so,do you have the male im looking for?
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Jun 29, 2005, 9:51 PM

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Hi Raphael,

Thank you so much for sharing with me your pass.From the way you wrote, I think u are someone who is entirely giving up hope on our so called "Dog Policy" which both implemented by the government and also the association. I think we should share more in saving this lovely breed.

I do have nice stud in mind,both conformation and working ability.However, it is prohibited to promote or so called advertise in the forum. Therefore, if you want to know more, you can always pm me at booker_sim@hotmail.com. Then we can talk further and hope that I can update you further on our rottweiler circuit or via versa.


Booker
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Jun 29, 2005, 10:18 PM

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Sorry Raphael, my email should be booker_sim@hotmail.com


nicky_spykeaz
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Jun 30, 2005, 6:01 PM

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helloFrownFrown
You guys make so interested on rottweiler breed and force me to read more about this breed Laugh Not bad also..can learn more from you rottie expert..me arh is a GSD so called expert alh..anythe way..have you guys ever wonder where did the name rottweiler come from and the history?? Like to share with you guy on this ya...

http://www.resteddoginn.ca/name.php

http://www.donnerbergrottweilers.com/...-the-rottweiler.html

Cheers ya,

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Jun 30, 2005, 6:11 PM

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yes. that true...In the past, My GSD attack a robber before but all he did was hold him down and bite on his neck..but that bite only cause marking..if the robber move, me afraid he die liao..But my friend who have a rottie for life, when his warehouse kena rompak, the robber was badly injured and wounded with bitten mark, not sure what happen to the robber...
As for the bull terrier, pit bull, they have very strong jaw and their jaw is the power in them, once grab, will not let go, further resistant will cause a tear in the flesh
A friend of mine, show me a video how some country use pit bull as fighting bull...once let go, the pit bull attack and grab the nose part of the bull, then the pit bull swing and pull the bull down. Because the bull is suffocated, he drop, even he drop, the pit bull is not letting the bull go until the owner use a stick and walap the dog then only he let go..the scene is so brutal to see...i nearly cry when see that sceneFrown..another friend told me that is how the pit bull got his name.Not sure how true is that..he is the member of pp.com Frown

Cheers ya,

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ngkl
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Jun 30, 2005, 7:12 PM

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Anybody know about the rottie strike again in Penang? Sim got any news about it? Bad timing .... bad impression again. sob sob...

If I don't have any dog at home right now, may be one day I'll get this pit bull terrier.. if those bugger thought that my dog is a paria dog, then when they come in...hohoho... Merry Christmas!!! just kidding..


Booker
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Jun 30, 2005, 7:38 PM

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Hi Loon,nice to hear from you again. Yeah, you are rite, another sad incident happened again on Rottweiler. There was a maid which was bitten by 3 dogs,according to the reporters, all three are rottweilers. However,when I read on Sin Chiew Jit Poh on Monday morning and saw the photo in it, I was so mad. It clearly shows that there are actually 2 Dorbs and 1 rott. How can the Press or Reporter mislead the public and give rottweiler a bad name?? As a reporter,there should tell the truth and to tell the truth, they should first study the truth. How can they mislead people in this case. We should know that most of us get to know most of the thing which happen far from us through Newspaper and just imagine if the Newspaper also never telling the right thing.(P.S : Am now finding a way to lodge a complain to the Newspaper. Hope some of you can help me up in this case.)

Fyi, the incident happen due to the owner didn't introduce the New Maid to the dogs. All the while the dogs were talking care by another maid and since the maid left, the owner get a nother new maid and assume that the maid should "UNDERSTAND" dog well. Another irresponsible owner.WHEN only this type of owners will extinct from the dog world??


vinkuan
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Jun 30, 2005, 7:45 PM

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yoz....my fren rotti delivered already !!! very cute puppies !!! Laugh

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Jul 1, 2005, 6:22 AM

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haha..that funny..but Malaysia is ban on pit bull even in the state..sound stupid to ask, pit bull and pit bull terrier the same thing??
Penang?? I didnt get paper today....can tell me the detail and the story, want to 88 abit ler..

Cheers ya,

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stanleyee
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Jul 1, 2005, 6:05 PM

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wow.. rottie pups.... hey ur fren wanna sell or give any to ppl a not?? i need a male to company my female la...no cert also never mind... but if sell don sell so high la.. this few months dead broke la...ahhahaha...about the attack i really didnt notice la... those reporter are all bunch of bastard for insulting and hurting the animal....Mad




I may not be the one who start the fight, but I will not hesitate to finished it ....

"expect the un-expected".....cheers..!!

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vinkuan
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Jul 3, 2005, 7:55 AM

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Yeah...my frend do sell the pup....if you really interested, contact me at this forum username at hot mail.

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Jul 3, 2005, 5:24 PM

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Dear all rottweiler lover. Just to inform to all of you that there will be a Rottweiler Specialty Show coming soon.Kindly check on the below link the details of the show.

http://www.puppy.com.my/...;;page=unread#unread

Please feel free to join the show and show your support to our local Rottweiler Chapter.


ngkl
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Jul 4, 2005, 8:00 PM

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Very nice, so how many dogs are you going to compete during the show? Ipoh ah, not too familiar. Got map or not? Might go and jalanx2.


Booker
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Jul 4, 2005, 10:33 PM

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Hei,nice to hear from u. This round I will just show Furst.By the way,am not very familiar either. So, if u really want to go,give me a call and I shall arrange so that u can follow some of my friends from KL since they are also taking part in this event.


Booker
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Jul 4, 2005, 10:43 PM

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wow.. rottie pups.... hey ur fren wanna sell or give any to ppl a not??

Code

i need a male to company my female la...no cert also never mind...

Code
 Hi Vinkuan, good to see you on board.Just would like to express my opinion to you that Certificate is very important if we are a dog lover. We shouldn't encourage back yard breeding or puppy millers who only thinking about mass breeding & $$$$. With certificate at least we can make sure that the dog is register with MKA and we can always trace back their bloodline and previous owner. Besides, we can also make sure that the breeder is serious enough for their breeding and it is not an accidental breed.If 


Raphael
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Jul 5, 2005, 1:47 AM

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Sorry Raphael, my email should be booker_sim@ .com



yo booker

cant read the rest of your adress

please call me when free to celcome seventy seven,nine hundred thirty nine,one,nine

thnxWink
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Booker
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Jul 5, 2005, 6:14 AM

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Rapheal,

My email is booker_sim@ hot mail. com By the way,ur phone no look a bit "Special". Does it WORK?Ahaha...Tongue


Polluxx
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Jul 5, 2005, 7:08 AM

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Hi Booker,

Best of luck wt Furst tis coming specialty, . .. I understand tis time the competition will be kinda HOT...!!!

Woof-Woof . . .






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
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Jul 5, 2005, 7:31 AM

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Didnt know that there is another strike...Can tell me the detail? Never heard of it yet...even the new in JB, i am not sure, the one they are about to ban certain breed in JB.. U heard?

Cheers ya,

Nicki the Devil live by the reputation of the name



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Fat FaT other case Elegant Car GuEst
What make Me?
A LoYal huMan Driver.... Frown

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ngkl
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Jul 6, 2005, 3:43 PM

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Don't know can come n support Furst or not? i just move in to bdr mahkota cheras, sg.long. maybe on that day i'll have open house... hmm.. dilemma now..


vinkuan
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Jul 6, 2005, 8:44 PM

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wow.. rottie pups.... hey ur fren wanna sell or give any to ppl a not??

Code

i need a male to company my female la...no cert also never mind...

Code
  Hi Vinkuan, good to see you on board.Just would like to express my opinion to you that Certificate is very important if we are a dog lover. We shouldn't encourage back yard breeding or puppy millers who only thinking about mass breeding & $$$$. With certificate at least we can make sure that the dog is register with MKA and we can always trace back their bloodline and previous owner. Besides, we can also make sure that the breeder is serious enough for their breeding and it is not an accidental breed.If

Certificate can't show that you are dog lover. For those people that mass breeding and only think of $$$, those are the ppl that always register their puppy. It's not that hard to get 2 rottie (or other breed) with cert. With the cert, the price can go a lot higher. MKA registered does not proof that, the puppy bloodline. The puppy is MKA registered, just because it's parents is MKA registered. And it's parents is registered, just becasue their parents are registered too..... so, does any of those part tell you that the owner is a serious breeder? or the owner does not breed for money? or is the owner is a dog lover? No rite??? The puppy do not have cert normally due to either one of the parent is not MKA registered. This does not proof that the owner does not love the dog or so. If you are really serious dog lover, you would care more about the enviroment, the way breeder handle the puppy, and the puppy itself, and what can u give to the puppy after this, and NOT the cert. If you do not plan to show your dog, it's not a big deal that is the puppy MKA registered. To me, home breeder/back yard breeder might even put more efford that those who claim they are "pro breeder" (I think they breed at back yard too..:D). The only thing i would like to say is.....It's not the cert, but the love from you to the puppy. p/s: I am not sure my friend puppy have cert or not. I only know that they are healthy, and cute puppy.

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Jul 9, 2005, 8:40 PM

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WELL said vinkuan
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PSY
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Jul 9, 2005, 10:25 PM

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HI,

Do not actually see your point here as I do feel stronly if done properly the certification is important. Please do take a long hard look at Singapore, look at all crap there in house politics has done and do attend their show, their dogs are pathetic. Malaysia will soon fall into this if people are accepting pups with out cert. Why buy a boxer, a mongrel will do as well as one is looking at how well the dog is kept.

Price of a certified dog is higher simply because the public accepts it.....you know "supply and demand" in short if you are willing to take a non-certified dog for free then I am certain prices of a certified dog would come down too.

On good bloodlines "the buyer is free to check and choose" but they prefer not to do so.... again do not blame the breeder.

How to check.... well if you really wish to find out you will instinctively know how to and beside it may cut down badly bred pedigrees.

Just some room for thoughts.


vinkuan
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Jul 10, 2005, 2:26 AM

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HI,

Do not actually see your point here as I do feel stronly if done properly the certification is important. Please do take a long hard look at Singapore, look at all crap there in house politics has done and do attend their show, their dogs are pathetic. Malaysia will soon fall into this if people are accepting pups with out cert. Why buy a boxer, a mongrel will do as well as one is looking at how well the dog is kept.

Price of a certified dog is higher simply because the public accepts it.....you know "supply and demand" in short if you are willing to take a non-certified dog for free then I am certain prices of a certified dog would come down too.

On good bloodlines "the buyer is free to check and choose" but they prefer not to do so.... again do not blame the breeder.

How to check.... well if you really wish to find out you will instinctively know how to and beside it may cut down badly bred pedigrees.

Just some room for thoughts.



Hi, PSY....

1. Getting a boxer is because, I like "BOXER". Not "The Dog". When I purchase my boxer, I didn't purchase it due to the cert, but, I just love the pup while the 1st itme i saw him.

2. I am not trying to say that the cert is useless, but...to certain extend, it's not "THAT" important. If you want to just keep it as a pet, then, a cert does not bring much meaning to you.

3. I do agree if you want to go for show dog, you should check on the bloodline and so.......

Just imagine, if gov come out with a law that, for those IQ more than 200 should not marrige someone IQ less than 180, due to the IQ 180 will just waisted the "IQ 200 Gen". What you think about this statement?

Sometime, it might be an "accident breed". And, the breeder need to pay for the expances for the puppy. I do think it's fair to give an amount to the breeder. But it shouldn't be over paid.

At least to me, the cert is an Add-on. Not the main point. Would be great if the puppy MKA registered, but if it's not, and I feel "Ngam" with the pup, why not?

p/s: My friend pups are all MKA registered. I say all this is not trying to help him to sell the pups or wut, just feel that, we should give some space for those "Non-MKA" pup.

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Jul 10, 2005, 4:55 AM

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No,

The isuue here is if why you bought your pup is valid but there are people out there that would breed from these pups and here is where the problem starts actually raising the value of the certified pup plus adding to a pool of non quality bloodline dogs. This is the issue I am saying. As you may be aware or may not be, I have a weimer, no cert and I did it because of the breed but I know it is just and ordinary dog so I spayed it, no intention of breeding it and it ends here. As for my dob, I got it for obedience competition and may even show if the developement is good and I do have intention to breed it but after saying all that my dog structure do not look to good so I may not. Temperament is very good and for working she is great so ....I do not know.

These are feelings anyway and I certainly do not wish to bring wishy washy puppies into this world ven if they are eligible for certification.

I do value your thoughts though.


vinkuan
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Jul 10, 2005, 4:02 PM

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No,

The isuue here is if why you bought your pup is valid but there are people out there that would breed from these pups and here is where the problem starts actually raising the value of the certified pup plus adding to a pool of non quality bloodline dogs. This is the issue I am saying. As you may be aware or may not be, I have a weimer, no cert and I did it because of the breed but I know it is just and ordinary dog so I spayed it, no intention of breeding it and it ends here. As for my dob, I got it for obedience competition and may even show if the developement is good and I do have intention to breed it but after saying all that my dog structure do not look to good so I may not. Temperament is very good and for working she is great so ....I do not know.

These are feelings anyway and I certainly do not wish to bring wishy washy puppies into this world ven if they are eligible for certification.

I do value your thoughts though.



I am not sure, if there are no more non-MKA registered pup, will the price fro MKA registered going up or down. But, I agree with you that, it should imporve the quality of the pup in overall. Again.... same example.... 2 group of people, poor group and rich group. Of course, rich group stay in a better life. But does that means, we should stop all poor group for "production"? So that, there will be no "poor people" next time? Or a group of smart people and a group of stupid people....shall we just stop the stupid group for "production". Of course....we try.... if we know there is already genetic issue, or it's something serious, then we try to avoid it. But, for normal case, it should be okay rite? Who knows, stupid group might have a healthier, happier life than those smart group? What if one day, US gov said "Asain should stop "production", we are better, so, we should be the only human in this world", what's your feeling? Of course, we not going to agree with this rite?

As you mention, your dob is good. Why not give her a chance? I don't think if the parents is bad, then forever, the generation will be bad. OR if the parents is good, then forever the generation will be good.

I don't know.... I am just not agree with the type "I am better than you due to my bloodline and my cert"....It might due to I, myself not from a "good bloodline" too. Laugh If you were look down by someone b4, due to your "bloodline" (Asian), u might have different though for this matter.

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Jul 10, 2005, 10:45 PM

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See your point but humans are not being sold so here it just do not apply. There is no monetary value on humans.....well not yet, not in my life time, however if when that happens it will be just like that, Adolf Hitler did that once but he lost out, in some way so did our island neighbour, so they have a dying population now.


vinkuan
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Jul 11, 2005, 12:25 AM

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See your point but humans are not being sold so here it just do not apply. There is no monetary value on humans.....well not yet, not in my life time, however if when that happens it will be just like that, Adolf Hitler did that once but he lost out, in some way so did our island neighbour, so they have a dying population now.



Not going to continue with this..since it will be an endless discussion. Sly I can't change your mind, and you can't change mine too...

There is not 100% correct or wrong on this matter, I guess.....

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Jul 11, 2005, 6:48 AM

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Yeah,

however do appreciate knowing your point of view.


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Oct 26, 2005, 7:47 PM

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vinkuan & PSY

wish to add some points here. Certificate do trace back the ancestors of a dog. A responsible breeder will not & should not breed a dog without cert. This is important so that the dog wont be inbred. There are many other reasons but in short, breeding without a cert means breeding without knowing the background of the dogs.

A person who loves their dog wont breed without knowing the background of their dogs since this might be harmful for the pups. The buyer might bought a pup which he/she doesn’t expect to turned up so differently from what they expect from a purebred.

An advantage of owning a purebreed dog is that we will know or expect generally how a particular's dog temperament. A dog without cert might be inbred which cause unstable temperament, deformed, weak or it might even not a purebreed. Imagine u wish to purchase a less energetic dog but it turns up to be so hyperactive as it is not actually purebreed.

Despites irresponsible breeders which makes no difference no matter they breed with cert or not, for those responsible breeders who loves their dogs & care for them, they hardly earn much profit. Pls take note that in order to register a pup need lots of money, time & effort spent. Thus, it is not unreasonable for a MKA certified pups to be sold at a higher price.

Of corse, Im not trying to say purebreed is better than others, but my point is if a person breed without a cert, he/she is not responsible. If a person claimed that his/her dog is purebreed without cert, then we will lose out the benefits to own a purebreed since the background is uncertain.








Regards,

Yang

(This post was edited by leecy on Oct 26, 2005, 7:55 PM)


koolfang
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Oct 27, 2005, 6:07 PM

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vinkuan & PSY

wish to add some points here. Certificate do trace back the ancestors of a dog. A responsible breeder will not & should not breed a dog without cert. This is important so that the dog wont be inbred. There are many other reasons but in short, breeding without a cert means breeding without knowing the background of the dogs.

A person who loves their dog wont breed without knowing the background of their dogs since this might be harmful for the pups. The buyer might bought a pup which he/she doesn’t expect to turned up so differently from what they expect from a purebred.

An advantage of owning a purebreed dog is that we will know or expect generally how a particular's dog temperament. A dog without cert might be inbred which cause unstable temperament, deformed, weak or it might even not a purebreed. Imagine u wish to purchase a less energetic dog but it turns up to be so hyperactive as it is not actually purebreed.

Despites irresponsible breeders which makes no difference no matter they breed with cert or not, for those responsible breeders who loves their dogs & care for them, they hardly earn much profit. Pls take note that in order to register a pup need lots of money, time & effort spent. Thus, it is not unreasonable for a MKA certified pups to be sold at a higher price.

Of corse, Im not trying to say purebreed is better than others, but my point is if a person breed without a cert, he/she is not responsible. If a person claimed that his/her dog is purebreed without cert, then we will lose out the benefits to own a purebreed since the background is uncertain.

leecy, u really know & write a lot eh... well... i'm not as knowledgable as u in the dog world but i love dogs... n i agree that pedigree is also important but not always, depends... i love my dog very much and he's a working and tough dog. maybe i'm thinking of breeding but my dog doesn't have a cert but i somehow get to trace his line... since and i quote u said that a person that breeds without a cert is irresponsible, can u teach me how to register my american pit bull terrier.......?



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koolfang
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Oct 27, 2005, 11:35 PM

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Re: [leecy] Rottweiler Breed [In reply to] Can't Post

hi leecy,

from my last reply, u can see how sarcastic i was. anyway, i wasn't trying to be rude. somehow i agree that we should know the pedigree but is that really necessary....? this is not about being responsible or not... i know there are some backyard breeders that breed only for money but some really can't register. if evryone thinks like u, malaysia will loose many good breeds...

think about it... do we know the pedigree of the 1st gsd/rott or whatever dogs...? as in the pit term... "winner & winner doesn't mean u get a winner". eros maybe 2 times wusv champion but can u ensure his pups can do the same thing...? all this is from the point of view of working dogs. i dunno about the toy dog lovers...

my apbt can bite and hang at the age of 6 weeks and attack on command at 3 months. i like his drive and nerve and he has no cert. what if i want another apbt like him...


- its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog...


leecy
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Oct 28, 2005, 11:26 AM

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koolfang

nice to meet u there, I dont mind ppl to be sarcastic & I love rude ppl. As long as u forget abt my username & focus on the topic, no matter how rude or how sarcastic u r when u reply, I don't mind.

Well, I am not trying to discuss a dog with cert is better or a dog without cert is smarter. Definitely there are many of good traits mixed breeds & bad health's pure breeds.

What I am trying to tell is we shouldnt BREED a dog without cert. Telling this doesnt means we shouldnt OWN them.

Of corse, a dog with cert doesnt means it review ALL the generations of the ancestors. But this is the best we can trace, & the best choice in malaysia is through MKA.

Although the certificate only listed 4 generations of the ancestors but at least it is better than we don't know at all.

As u said a champion dog doesnt means will passes a champion traits. Thus, it is irrelevant here if u feel that ur APBT should be bred.

Unlike humans, dogs matured & capable to mate after 1 year old, they are not going to recognise who are their brother & sister, who are their parents, grandparents... ...

For ur example, u are proud of ur dog without a cert. Im glad, & congrats u abt that. Then u said as he posseses good traits, u wish to breed him.

My advice to you is dont breed as you dont know his background. You might inbred him. He wont recognise if a female APBT is his family or not. You might want another APBT like him but it might turn out with something else.

You said you able to trace the background of ur APBT. But lets be realistic, as i said earlier a dog can produce spring after 1 year old, & they will produce not only 1 pup, sometimes dozen. Your APBT might have thousands of "family members" & it is impossible to trace all. with a MKA certificate, at least u can compare four generations.

Unless you do own bro, sis, parents, grandparents, grandgrandparents and so on under 1 roof, or else you might risk ur dog to inbreed.

A purebreed being registered is a result of the expert breeders who able to breed a particular dog with constant characters, looks, temperaments, behaviours, abilities for a specific purpose or some purposes for many generations.

Well it is impossible to register your dog to MKA but you can find another APBT which posseses the same trait as yours. But if you are keen to register, then you have to create a new breed, and make sure your breed of dog will constantly posses the same traits as the previous generations, then u might be able to register 1.

Well abt breeding for money, it is not an issue here since we shouldnt breed juz for money no matter breeding with a cert or without.

& of corse we wont know who is the 1st to born, but u must understand that no matter what breed of dog, toy breed or working breed, the 1st to register have to be one which have proven results of consistency which means the we can expect what the future litters will be.

What i mentioned applied to all breed of dogs since im discussing abt BREEDING. And for ur info, Im not only toy breed lover, I used to raise champion rottie & GSDs since small.

If you really proud of what your dog is now, & wish to get another like him, the best way is not breed him with another female, the best way is to trace back who is their parents since your dog posseses their traits, and here comes the importance of RECORDINGS on the cert, not the sheet of paper.






Regards,

Yang

(This post was edited by leecy on Oct 28, 2005, 11:35 AM)


koolfang
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Oct 28, 2005, 5:58 PM

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leecy,

aaahhh...Wink very long statement... i get what u're trying to say here... we're talking about not accidently in breed rite and being responsible about it... actually we do keep track on our dogs since the dun recognise apbt. what we can do is only limited. as responsible as we can be, we cannot control other people's action. we know where our dogs are from and we dun inbreed but we believe in line breed...

if and i quote "we shouldn't breed a dog without a cert", where can we get new dogs since apbt is banned bcoz it was tot to be a vicious dog. for all i know, the incident that happened in shah alam didn't involve an apbt...no offence... and less than 10% dog attack cases involve an apbt...


- its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog...


leecy
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koolfang

Well, I have no comment for ur specific case though. Wink






Regards,

Yang

 
 




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