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nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 6, 2004, 7:01 PM

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aiseh nathalie, wat in d world r u doin online 5am in d morning Shocked? u tak payah tidur 1 ke?

Gosh, n u say u've got limited knowledge bout CS Shocked. That's very very detailed liaw lor, thx 4 answering my Qs Smile. It's very helpful. Smile

i've done some research on CS in d net plus some doggie books, but still CrazyCrazyCrazy bout d difference btwn both ACS n ECS. hehe.....now i'm quite sure wat i wan is a ECS, not ACS which is more poodle like. But ar.........$$$ is a issue......duh.....Unsure.

yesterday i called a breeder who claims 2 hav both ACS n ECS puppies. ACS is indeed more pricey n she says ACS is more quiet than ECS, mayb she's tryin 2 push ACS 2 me, dunno whether should blif her or not.......

How's ur KL trip? apa lu beli leh?


kesuke
Doggyman


Jun 6, 2004, 11:50 PM

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ahaha....eat grass!! not just you to eat grass...if i'm gonna get a husky and a GR..i'm gonna eat grass as well....hehehehe.....LaughSlyCrazy

eh..all dogs in magazines are very beautiful one la...hahahaha....just like models..get all the makeup and computer touch up..sure look perfect la! SlyTongue

hehehe....so you want long haired dog to tie their hair is it?? TongueTongue

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 7, 2004, 5:20 AM

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haha~~~, eat grass better than eat air or sand ma, more filling, nutritious n i might b able 2 discover d cure 4 cancer or AIDS by tryin out all d "herbs", then i 'fat tat' lor, muahahaha...........*keep on dreaming of gettin rich due 2 pocket too kosong * Laugh

talkin bout eat sand.....dat day read an article:
A kind soul took in a skinny mangy stray dog. When d dog poo d 1st time after he adopted it, all SAND inside!!! D dog had been feeding on sand 2 survive all these while!!! Damn sad hor? Unsure

Now, d dog is a happy n healthy fella wit a beautiful coat, completely different 2 wat it had been b4 it was adopted. When i look in d pics 'b4 n after', really amazed by d power of TLC. Cheers 2 dat guy who took d dog in n oso d lucky dog. Cool

aiks, doggie pics oso comp touch up Shocked, ya oso hor, nowadays really canggih.

Reminds me of those wedding pics, u know when u receive d invitation card wit d couple's pic in front, d pic is soooo touched up dat when u attend d dinner n c d real person, u'll suspect whether u'r in d right wedding or not cos looks like 2 completely different couple, d pic n d 'real thing' Laugh

nolar, i think ECS hair is too short 2 tie, but......when it makan n d ears kena d food.....i can tie d ears 2gether on top of its head n make it look like a bunny, hehehe~~~~Sly. haiya, belum got ECS oledi got evil ideas......


makrawl
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Jun 7, 2004, 6:00 PM

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u know what? i never really enjoy sitting at mamak store. why? coz there's lots of MOSZIES under the table and sting me like mad. instead of drinking at mamak, it turn out to be i'm being "drinked" by moszies.

usually i'll prefer to visit someone and gather in somebody's house. sitting comfortably at the living room with fan, drinks, TV, food etc is really relaxing.

new movies? the last time i went into the cinema was beggining of last year. er......


makrawl
Canine Addict


Jun 7, 2004, 6:42 PM

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well, i think nathalie had answer most of your Qs here. but just to let u know that actually ACS and ECS share the same ancestors. ECS was brought to US and they breed them according to what they prefer and slowly this group of CS differ out from what their cousins look like at Europe. and they finnaly put in another group and seperate out from ECS at the 1940s.

so, it is not surprise that they r very similar both in appearance and temperament. but i keep ECS coz they r more easy to get, coat is shorter (less trimming), and they r CHEAPER too. be prepare as CS have drooping ears and u really need to clean the ears more frequent as compare to other dogs. they also need lots of space to strecth their legs. they really enjoy running and they also VERY EAGER to join in any activities and company (especially from u). they r compact but very tough and active. lots of ppl got " fool" by looking to their "pity" eyes (coz by loose skin) and thought they r quiet and later they regret as CSs r TOO energetic! i have two and with only 12 kg, they nearly knock me down when they didn't see me and bashed on my leg while running. temperament is extremely good but make sure u have enough activities to keep them busy or else they'll over turn your house. sufficient excercise is necessary as when a CS has too much energy at the end of the day, they might give u trouble.

i think u better get a book and learn the standard of the dog before purchasing any dog. see the sire and dam too if u can.

hope these helps and enjoy the lovely life with ECS later.


nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 7, 2004, 11:04 PM

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ooo, looks like lab & GR along wit ECS n ACS does hav lot's of similarity. Share same ancestors n very similar both in appearance and temperament.

wow, that's pretty unxpected, i nvr tot ECS r as boisterious as lab. ECS is indeed more active than ACS then? It's ok 2 me anyhow, if i can manage 2 bring my 35kg big buffolo 4 walks everyday, a ECS around 10kg shouldn't b a problem.

mind tellin me around how much u paid 4 each of ur dogs? r they siblings?

O, last Q, is it really necessary 2 trim ECS? will its coat go out of shape if i dun bring it 2 d groomer?


(This post was edited by nooning on Jun 7, 2004, 11:15 PM)


makrawl
Canine Addict


Jun 8, 2004, 12:56 AM

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i can't tell which is more active between them coz i never had an ACS before but one thing for sure, they r GUNDOG and it means they r hunters and they r good at it. so they have "endless" energy.

Goldy was given to me for free by someone. he said he bought him for rm1200. Beauty came from a breeder and i paid 800 for her.

it is always better to trim their fur. actually not much to be trimed. just the excessive hairs on the ears, head, legs only. i do it myself. the ears r important as i trim the fur so that it improve air circulation of the ears to prevent any infection. they won't look terrible is u don't trim them but it is worth to do so as everytime after grooming, my dogs will look SO "ADORABLE" to me.


nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 8, 2004, 6:38 AM

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Not forgeting GORGEOUS, SMART, BEAUTIFUL, SLEEK, ELEGANT.........d list goes on Cool


nathalie
Doggyman


Jun 8, 2004, 7:02 AM

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me ah..juz came back at 10pm...so cannot sleep..tats why mailing u at 5amloh..hehe. have to tidurleh..think i super woman kah? Tongue

nolah tats considered limited..if it's a breed i really study then i can tell u whatever u wan to know ...Wink glad that it's helpful for u...planning to get one Cs?

actually u should not let factors like what the breeders pushing to influence u coz eventually the dog's gonna be yours n not theirs...it's your choice..think u know all thisloh coz u r a dog owner kan?

my kl trip ah? very tiringloh...am still sick..since saturday nite. having slight fever & sore throat...drink coffeee everynite & tidur at 4-5am....then shop for 7 days straight..tats why fall sick Frown hmmm paiseh coz din manage to meet u..nvmlah..it's gonna be a matter of time b4 i'll b in KL again Smile


nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 8, 2004, 7:32 AM

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Yeah, would LOVE 2 get a ECS, c how it goes. Still got some research 2 go like responsible ECS breeders wit affordable price, difference btwn keeping a lab n a ECS.....etc etc

aiseh man........"drink coffeee everynite & tidur at 4-5am....then shop for 7 days straight."
n u say u'r not superwoman ar?CrazyShockedUnimpressed hehehe.......
u shopping kat mana?

aiya, wat paiseh la, as wat u said, it's gonna be a matter of time b4 u'll b in KL again ma. Sure got chance 1 la. Wink


daniel
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Jun 8, 2004, 10:03 AM

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sorry for the intrusion, but i would like to pen down some info on these 2 beautiful breeds. the English Cocker Spaniel and the Cocker Spaniel (they dont actually carry the name AMERICAN Cocker Spaniel anymore. just plain simple Cocker Spaniel)

The Cocker Spaniel was recognized in America in 1846 and while the larger countrpart English Cocker Spaniel was only recognized in 1946 thats technically more than a century. But England recognized the ECS in the year 1892 and the CS in year 1893. so basically the americans would say the CS is better and the Englishmen would say that the ECS is better. no ending debate to this and i dun wanna go there.

One of the oldest types of land spaniel known, the Cocker Spaniel descended from the original spaniels of Spain. but back the the sizes varried too much. there were known facts that the CS and the ECS were shown together in the same category. due to personal interest it was at the mention dates that they were separated. the americans always wanted superiority so that is why the early date that the so calleed ACS was recognized as a pure breed and the ECS was much later.

generally both these dogs share the same coloration and character traits. Size alone was the main dividing factor between them.

the CS will be about 10kg while the ECS tips the scale at 14kg (weights are based on male dogs and only a guideline) Both dogs were cultivated for different usage. the CS being smaller made good retrieving around compact bushes while retreiving woodcock. the CS was used more for flushing out woodcocks and retreiving them once the prey is shot down. they readily take to water and do retreive woodcock from water as well.

the ECS on the other hand does better on uphill terrain and open vast land as they could cover more ground faster. this is the brief history on these two breeds.

As household pets...... they are both great. i have more detailed write ups on their history but sorry to malas to type.

my dua sen..

!!!!!WARNING!!!!!
DUN TALK TO ME IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED.
COS I'M A DAMM KWAILAN FELLA OK!!!






nathalie
Doggyman


Jun 8, 2004, 10:29 AM

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even if it's me i prefer ECSloh....so much easier to maintain..however in both cases...their high activity's somehwat similiar. both also gun dogs mah, so sure very hyper wan...it's inevitable. hmmm..do some research especially if u are buying one without cert to ensure it's sire & dam are pure...it should not cost u more than 1.5k even if it's with cert...unless again if it's some champion or showline...

noloh, juz entertain loh coz most of the ppl i met up also puppy.com frensmah. however iut's my habit to sleep late..except now that i'm ill.

shop near where i live oniloh..1 utama most frequented...3-4 times , ikano 2 times MV once but almost 10 hours shopping there..hehe. some more the flea market in mont. kiaraloh..they have lots of very nice accessories there..Smile

yaloh too addicted to KL d, still can't get over the glamourous outings in KL...hmmm...even saw the cleo's most eligible bachelor Roshan Nijar.....hmmm....sure will be back wan..heheTongue


nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 8, 2004, 5:49 PM

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thx 4 all d info, i appreciate all d inputs fm every1 n ur advices definately worth more than 2cents Wink

i assume u own cockers then? mind introducing ur furkids? Smile


nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 8, 2004, 6:02 PM

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10 hrs of shopping !!! CrazyShocked
haha~~~, wat else can i say leh? hehehe~~~puifok puifok Laugh

ya, u'r addicted alrite, cham lor u, hehehe~~~Tongue

u panai enjoy juga, makan kat pg but shopping kat KL, well, life should b dat way, hakuna matata Cool


makrawl
Canine Addict


Jun 8, 2004, 7:35 PM

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wow....... u really take the effort to list down one by one.... just bought books to learn about the breed but never really do any comparisons between these 2 breeds. i think u r good in writting thesis too. science field need someone with a brain like u.

by the way, u own CS too?


makrawl
Canine Addict


Jun 8, 2004, 7:40 PM

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maybe i'm just admiring my own trimming scale.Blush

by the way, that's a sleeping dog? or a slipper dog? or IS THAT A DOG on that photo?

if u r busy ppl that have no time to trim, maybe u can try on Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. I LOVE THEM but my "wallet hates" them. CKCS only need trimming at the pads only! my, so easy.


makrawl
Canine Addict


Jun 8, 2004, 7:47 PM

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haha, u also fall sick after a tough trip. SHOPPING MALL is like battle field. and u have to FIGHT for discount items, FOODS etc. and you have limited "bullets". really have to use "sniper" to shoot what u want, not M 16. so very shiok lah after hanging here for few days? i bet u do.


kesuke
Doggyman


Jun 8, 2004, 10:14 PM

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hahaha..."nooning's theory on staying healty".....ehhehehehe.....LaughSlyLaugh

eh what?! dog eating sand and shitting sand also?? that is so pathetic!! really? Pirate but am glad that the dog met a kind soul and is in good hands now..

hahaha...exactly!! wedding pictures mah..once in a lifetime wor..sure must be beautiful la...and totally diff from the real person hor...the power of makeup and com graphics....ehhehehe.....Sly

hahaha..you and your evil ideas!! eheheh....SlyTongue then what will you do to the featherings on the legs ah?? ehhehehe.....

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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kesuke
Doggyman


Jun 8, 2004, 10:19 PM

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hahaha...mozzies...well now that you mentioned it, i don think i've ever been 'visited' by mozzies at mamak stalls...maybe it's coz it's in the middle of the night?? Shocked

but yeah..gathering at a friend's house is nice too coz you are comfy, have TV, have fan..Angelic hmm..now when is the last time i did that?? Unimpressed

hahaha...wei, must find time to unwind yourself...time to catch some nice movies now...Cool

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 9, 2004, 5:37 AM

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nah.....u should b proud of ur dogs, they r ur babies anyway. I'm always proud of my dog, will always accept all d compliments, hehehe~~, a gd example of beh paiseh ness. Blush

a slipper dog? kakkakakaka~~~~Laugh
nope, u'r all wrong, it's a evil slipper dat just swollowed a puppy Sly
it's a puppy havin a cosy snooze in a slipper la, got dis pic fm a 4warded mail.

if i'm TOO BZ, i won't b gettin a 2nd dog lor, won't b fair 2 d little fella. Nah, oledi made up my mind, it's gonna b a ECS, can't help it, oledi fell head over heels over them. Blush


(This post was edited by nooning on Jun 9, 2004, 5:48 AM)


nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 9, 2004, 5:52 AM

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if d pic doesn't look like d real person then wat's d point ar???Crazy makes me wonder out loud Unimpressed

featherings ar? u wait ar, will tell u wat i'll do when my inspiration comes. nyak nyak nyak Sly


nathalie
Doggyman


Jun 9, 2004, 7:00 AM

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dun puifuk me coz there are more 'superwoman' in puppy.com..hint hint...amylah..heheTongue

ermm..even in pg also i can shop like like that but mall hopping from one mall to another...can complete 3 malls in a day..heheWink

nolah went kl din eat well for the whole week...coz i tak bolh telan..din feel hungray also...juz drank coffeeloh..n some fastfood. tak boleh makan kenyang mah. hmmm...u should come penang makan alsolah..hehe..actually kl shopping's almost the ame with pglah..so the things also alnost the same loh. Smile


nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 9, 2004, 7:11 PM

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aiseh man, u n amy darn funny la, keep on pushing 2 each other d shopping queen crown LaughLaugh.


nathalie
Doggyman


Jun 9, 2004, 9:11 PM

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think i fell sick coz i drink lil water..usually drink 4 litres of water daily but last week drank 3 mugs daily nia..plus my body's very exhousted..had been an exam battle n din sleep for 72 hours straight before i left for KL..sampai Kl pulak sleep barely 10 hours aday..now u understand why am i sick? BlushFrown

din go "BATTLE FIELD' lah..i dun go snatching n fighting things with those ganas woman...i din buy much also coz i din see lots of things i like. definitely din fight for food..heheLaugh say until i like went to some rifle club..ganas nyer..next time no one dare to see nat anymore..not enuf bullet ada credit cards mah..heheTongue

yup had a great but tiring trip..everyone i see was very welcoming n nice to me Smile


nathalie
Doggyman


Jun 9, 2004, 9:17 PM

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nolah..if u join us also u can jadi part of the shopping syndromme...i oni cannot tahan looking at those shoes..besides that i'm ok. Smile

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