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RealityDreamer
Doggyman


Jan 14, 2004, 3:01 AM

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Hi,Smile

Well said.

I'm in.
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Polluxx
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Jan 14, 2004, 8:52 AM

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Hi All,

...At last it looks like there is a some glimmer of hope to get ScH off the ground here in M'sia...! !

Well Dr Loo (Ludoc), obviously ur idea to have a gathering is long overdue...... BTW welcome on board ! !

I do agree wt U , all of us (who r pasionate abt this dogsport) need to put our head together to come up wt something , but as for lobbying harder for support from GSD Chapter . . . I tot they should know better . . . it is for the interest of the breed in the long run ! ! . . . . & $$$ definitely should not be a contention issue here....! . . .I m sure their show dogss have help them to earn enuf money to last them several life times....Mad......pls dun mind my rambling.....just an old man getting something off his chest..... LOL....Wink.....! !


Boon,
Who needs "woof woof org" to decide for us wht activities we wanna do wt our own dog . . . .! ! ..... WOOF-WOOF...Smile

Now if we have go to DVG / SV direct....then we should go ahead without further delay....!



Ludoc,
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Let not those who cannot afford a 'world class' og despair!On one of the spectrum there are those who want to excel and go on to world competition. On the other end, most people just want a well trained PP dog and any puppy with correct drive and upbringing and education can be trained to be such.
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As far as I know, majority of us here are in the middle of the spectrum, we want to start off wt a good workingline pup/dog...and of course it should not cost a fortune .......Wink.....therefore if we do really start up a club, for starter we definitely need ;
a.) Good workingline stocks avail to us
b.) Good helpers to go around the country. .
c.) Regular seminars to improve our training technique......



BTW.....
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On the other end, most people just want a well trained PP dog and any puppy with correct drive and upbringing and education can be trained to be such
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Even though I do agree wt U wt the above, I would like to point out getting "puppy wt the correct drive" is not as easy as it seems b'coz what we want ultimately is a dog wt balance drv but also dog wt nerve of steel .... so whether being a PP or a sportdog, they are expected to be highly driven yet stable dog. And that I know can only be found from proven workingline stock..........Wink


Anyway back to your suggestion for a gathering , I would further like to suggest that there should be support for Regional/State ScH Club around the country so that it is easier for members to carry out regular ScH training/activities wt their K9 partners near their place .....!!






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


boon
Doggyman


Jan 14, 2004, 4:23 PM

Post #28 of 71 (21586 views)
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Hi Poll,

Finally u r back here with us....where have u been.....MIA for such a long time....


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Boon,
Who needs "woof woof org" to decide for us wht activities we wanna do wt our own dog . . . .! ! ..... WOOF-WOOF...Smile

Now if we have go to DVG / SV direct....then we should go ahead without further delay....!




Buddy, stay cool, stay calm and stay tuned............and most important is stay focus. Focus on what we want and our goal.Wink

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


mhazman
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Jan 14, 2004, 8:15 PM

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Hi Ludoc,
I am sure there's more than enough ppl from KL & Penang whose interested. You can go ahead while the iron is hot.

Boon,
U can start counting now....

cheers

Azman


PSD
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Jan 14, 2004, 9:20 PM

Post #30 of 71 (21577 views)
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Poll, u have dissapeared long enough. Laugh


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I do agree wt U , all of us (who r pasionate abt this dogsport) need to put our head together to come up wt something , but as for lobbying harder for support from GSD Chapter . . . I tot they should know better . . . it is for the interest of the breed in the long run ! ! . . . . & $$$ definitely should not be a contention issue here....! . . .I m sure their show dogss have help them to earn enuf money to last them several life times....Mad......pls dun mind my rambling.....just an old man getting something off his chest..... LOL....Wink.....! !



I think we should know by now or at least be told now that this is never a battle between show and working dogs in Malaysia. SCHH merits an interest of its own. To fight over this small unimportant issue is lacking foresight. In the end everyone has their own choice if they like the looks best or the ability best. We have made our own options so I think it is right and constitutional for others to decide for themselves. Earning money or not is secondary and really none of our businessSmile As long as there are interested buyers willing to pay the price, the market is big enough.

Although I am a one breed man myself...lol I felt that we should look at SCHH in a more far sighted manner. Eventhough SchH was originally started specifically for GSD, many other dogs like Mals, Dobe, Rotts, Labs just to name a few can be trained in this sport. Eventually SCHH club should accept dogs other than GSD as long the dog has what it takes. It is such that I personally felt SchH club setup should fall directly under MKA as a seperate chapter and not breed specific chapters for this reason.

GSD chapter can continue business as usual without the need for any changes that is too uncomfortable for now. This way everyone happy.Laugh


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Boon,
Who needs "woof woof org" to decide for us wht activities we wanna do wt our own dog . . . .! ! ..... WOOF-WOOF...Smile

Now if we have go to DVG / SV direct....then we should go ahead without further delay....!





We are going without delay, the idea is to keep things not so complicated. We will still look up to MKA for amicable solution. The needs is to start SCHH recognition. At this moment, and the world development MKA would have to keep itself updated by acknowledging SchH. UK had recognised this sport. MKA should have no problem with this now. Otherwise we will continue with any other alternative. ScHH will start for sure as long as u guys continue to strengthen the pillars.


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As far as I know, majority of us here are in the middle of the spectrum, we want to start off wt a good workingline pup/dog...and of course it should not cost a fortune .......Wink.....therefore if we do really start up a club, for starter we definitely need ;
a.) Good workingline stocks avail to us
b.) Good helpers to go around the country. .
c.) Regular seminars to improve our training technique......



Agreed with you. Dont think you have to worry about that. All will become natural progression once we have the club formalised. U just continue to gather people in your area to have your own club.


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Even though I do agree wt U wt the above, I would like to point out getting "puppy wt the correct drive" is not as easy as it seems b'coz what we want ultimately is a dog wt balance drv but also dog wt nerve of steel .... so whether being a PP or a sportdog, they are expected to be highly driven yet stable dog. And that I know can only be found from proven workingline stock..........Wink



Agreed with you too. Working dogs must get from working stock. Show dogs must get from show stock. After all these are what they are specifically bread for. Occassionally you may luckily chance on a kickass dog that can do both the work and show. SchH club will accept all that has the ability to be trained. Dr. loo has one BH ready show dog trained in SchH disciplined I believe. Most important, show is show, work is work. Nothing related so we better accept and co-exist.Smile




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Anyway back to your suggestion for a gathering , I would further like to suggest that there should be support for Regional/State ScH Club around the country so that it is easier for members to carry out regular ScH training/activities wt their K9 partners near their place .....!!



This is good suggestion and for sure will be taken as a highlight. After all the success of producing top level SchH dog made in Malaysia must be sustained by top level club dogs continuing challenging each other for better performance. Keep it up and keep active. Hopefully we will be asking for membership support soon. keep the fingers crossed. SchH needs everyone of you.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

(This post was edited by PSD on Jan 14, 2004, 9:30 PM)


Ludoc
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Jan 14, 2004, 10:21 PM

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Hi Ludoc,
I am sure there's more than enough ppl from KL & Penang whose interested. You can go ahead while the iron is hot.

Sure! I am actively looking into it! Tha's my mission!

Boon,
U can start counting now....

cheers

Azman


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Ludoc
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Jan 14, 2004, 11:19 PM

Post #32 of 71 (21569 views)
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Now I understand why you were described as 'sensible'! Perhaps I would like to put things in perspective, for the benefit of all: Schutzhund is not about show dog vs working dog. One should not condemn show gsd although they have their own problems after spending decades trying to breed one 'standard type' (this is reminescent of Hitler's master race ideal!) We must not condemn another person's dog no matter how much we dislike that person. Otherwise we cannot call ourselves dog lovers. You are right, I have both show dog and working dog. The 'beauty', Forro sired by Kevin v Murttal, VA,was purchased from Kirschental Kennel in Germany, BH trained and 14 months old (Germany has since changed the regulation, youngest for BH is 15 months). He was ball crazy and I thought he has very high drive (until I worked with Rokko, of pure working line. Working people like to talk of 3 levels of drives: normal, high, and 'super' drive. I will now say he has 'high' drive. Nevertheless, training him for protection was fun and not difficult and he is now ready for sch1 protection. Initially I had the problem of 'out' and looked every where for help,even Ed Fawley of Leeburg. After having gone through the training, I realised it is the least of the problem! Getting the dog to hold on to prey is more important. Rokko, on the other hand has super drive: he flies to 'Hier!' and has a bark-hold that will make an inexperience 'helper' tremble! That brings me to the points I am trying to make
1) It is not "us against them". It is just different. You can have 'show' dogs with high drive. You can also get working dogs with NO drive (yes, I have seen. Just because they are grey or sable or black does not mean they are 'working' stock!)2.) Dog training is not rocket science. It takes dedication, patience , common sense and team work.3) the fastest way to get into action is get a BH trained dog of 18 months or two years. They are well socialised, obedience trained and what you see is what you get; never mind if it is from show or working line. Many people want hard dog but do not have the time nor energy to keep the dog working-occupied and the end result is a so called 'dangerous dog' that nobody wants. 4.) Enough of arm-chair training (it is certainly fun participating in Forums like this!), get down and get wet (with your sweat)! I'll fix a date for a gathering and will extend an invitation to all who are interested!


Polluxx
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Jan 15, 2004, 4:28 AM

Post #33 of 71 (21558 views)
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Hi Ludoc & PSD,

Well looks like my previous post has coz some misunderstanding here...! Unsure

To set the record straigth, this is definitely not abt show vs working, tht is not my intention, I was merely highligthing that the chapter was supposed to be looking after the interest of the breed ....not just on the beauty side of thing but oso to take the initiative or interest in trying to preserve the working drv (& stability of nerve) in the breed.....before all is lost beyond us......!!

Anyway I believe Schutzhund is & should be open to all breeds & even mutts regardless of show or workingline ....... hopefully this will clear up the misunderstanding caused ....!! Wink


Anyway Ludoc is rite , "Enough of arm-chair training, it is time to get all sweaty & dirty ! ! " Tongue . . . . .


So to all puppycom's working folks .......
"All we have to do is to decide what to do with Time & Opportunity that Has been given to us....."






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


PSD
ALPHA


Jan 15, 2004, 7:46 PM

Post #34 of 71 (21541 views)
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Ludoc,


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Now I understand why you were described as 'sensible'!



Me ah? Eh no lah, Sometimes I can become very insensible too Smile. Dreaming of becoming Rambo sometimes is an interesting fantasy.........though in the end still have to come back to reality. Reality today if start SchH so I can start sweating with my fellow brothers ans sisters here.....this is a true reality.....the rest are not so important.Smile

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


PSD
ALPHA


Jan 15, 2004, 7:48 PM

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Poll, dont worry. We got you. U just must come in more often and keep the spirit alive.Wink

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


boon
Doggyman


Jan 27, 2004, 8:03 AM

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Where is this ah eng ah ? hardly see him online now......

Paging for Eng aka Polluxx, pls 'float' up............

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


FredAl
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Jan 27, 2004, 5:55 PM

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Hello, Malaysian SchH fanciers! Mr. Al told me about this Forum and I'm glad I visited it.

Dr. Loo, I replied to your email (twice) but my replies were "undeliverable". I tried to IM you also but I got an error message. Being new here, I'm not too familiar with the system yet and can't send IMs.

Nice to see more people in Malaysia are getting interested in SchH -- an excellent Breed Suitability Test to identify and develop the working canine traits.
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boon
Doggyman


Jan 27, 2004, 6:01 PM

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Hi Fred,

Nice to have u here with us, first of all welcome aboard. I got the same error message for undelivered mail return from netscape.net from Dr Loo's account. This is because his mailbox has reach the quota limit.

FYI, the IM of this forum has been disabled by the webmaster years ago. So are you coming over to Malaysia for the seminar or workshop sometime soon ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


FredAl
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Jan 27, 2004, 6:11 PM

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Thanks for the warm welcome, Boon.

I would love to, but we were still arranging the details for that event when our correspondences came to a halt. Thanks to your information, I now understand why.
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PSD
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Jan 27, 2004, 6:54 PM

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Hi Fred,

R u still based in Thailand as at now? I have heard quite a bit about you. If you can send me a mail. Would like to know you better and perhaps we can get some good things going in the sport. Rgds and welcome.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


FredAl
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Jan 27, 2004, 7:30 PM

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Hi, PSD. Yes, I am still based in Thailand. I just sent you a short email so we can correspond further to explore the possibilities of developing SchH and the working dogs in Malaysia.

I just read the whole thread and I understand the obstacles you’re running into to get affiliated with FCI. I founded the Philippine Schutzhund Group, Inc. (PSGi) together with Al, and we were faced with the same bureaucratic dilemma from the country’s canine club. I’m being guided by the DVG-America President, Carole Patterson, and FCI Exec. Dir., Y. de Clerq, on these matters. From what they told me, a SchH club should be affiliated with the country’s mother organization that is affiliated with FCI (can’t go under DVG either). You would just have to work with MKA to get your titles recognized by FCI.

Since I am a director and Judge for the Working Dogs Committee of The Kennel Club of Thailand (KCT), I did not have the same problems implementing SchH into our registry.

I’m glad to read that your SchH club will not be restricted to just GSDs. There are other good working breeds that can benefit from this activity.
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(This post was edited by FredAl on Jan 27, 2004, 7:33 PM)


PSD
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Jan 27, 2004, 10:43 PM

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Thanks Fred,

I'l check the mail in a while and reply you seperately. I actually envy what you guys have up in Thailand. We can only hope Malaysia didnt plan to be left further behind. Lets see what we can do to promote this well known and fun sport. I envision one day Malaysia will be able to put up a contingent to participate in "King's Cup" (is that the correct trial name for the annual event in Thailand?) That would be great and perhaps a reciprocal event that Thai's team can feature in Malaysia. I'm sure this can be done with the right enthusiasm and committed people in this field.

We welcome your expertise to this forum.Smile

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


Ludoc
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Feb 3, 2004, 3:20 AM

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Hi, Boon!

Things are getting hot again after the CNY break. Sorry about my mail box. I deleted many but it is still 'full'. What shall i do?

I met up with Azman and had a very interesting and fruitful discussion. I am still working on the project i am undertaking.


Ludoc
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Feb 3, 2004, 3:24 AM

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Sorry Fred . I shall meil you again for private discussion. PSD,boon and a few othwer guys are committed to getSchutzhund in Malaysia started.


boon
Doggyman


Feb 3, 2004, 7:09 AM

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Hi Dr Loo,

Yeah after CNY things get moving and hopefully this is a good one.....

about your mailbox, i guess u need to do housekeep or check ur mail regulary. lol................Wink

Oh yeah do u have chance to download the pics taken into your computer yet ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


Ludoc
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Feb 8, 2004, 5:58 AM

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Hi Boon

I thought I mailed you the pictures already in zipped file! If you have not received, I can burn them into a cd for you.

Please make the weekend 14 and 15Feb free for an interesting event in Ipoh. Do your valentine things first and shower your valentine with double dose of romance then ask for the weekend free--for schutzhund!


boon
Doggyman


Feb 8, 2004, 6:57 AM

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Hi Dr Loo,

Let me ask my the other party first, i will let u know, sure should keep the wekend free for very important guest. Wink

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


qstee
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Sep 11, 2004, 5:49 PM

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Hi there everyone, im new in here. u guys seems to be GSD experts. i would like to know more about GSD because im planning to get one. Is there a lot of procedure involve in impoting a dog from europe? and roughly how much will it cost?
Im actually studying in melbourne now, does the GSD in melbourne has a good bloodline?


RealityDreamer
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Sep 21, 2004, 9:33 AM

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Hi,

Maybe you could post this in the pastoral or woking group regarding GSD's....or contact PSD Wink
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qstee
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Sep 21, 2004, 2:58 PM

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ok, thanks!

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